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Did Bannon Burn Notre Dame?

He just declared war on The Pope on CNN
WTF? S. Bannon says he's at war with The Pope and The Catholic Church during a CNN interview and two days later the second greatest church in all Christendom is somehow fried to a crisp before the disbelieving eyes of the world. Bannon is the true figurehead of modern Western-style fascism and wondering about his involvement seems rational to me. Days before Easter too. If authorities ever really discover who did this they probably won't tell us anyway. The revenge factor against the perps would be too massive. Wars have started over less.

hmmmm 15.Apr.2019 19:57

rAT

mmmm

Not even close rAT 15.Apr.2019 21:04

erasmite

This is idiotic rAT, Bannon doesn't have that kind of juice nor would burning the Notre Dame benefit him in any way. Then you say the authorities wouldn't report it because of possible political repercussions...Are you serious? The French would love to blame this on the "Americans" but nobody in the US is responsible, that I guarantee you.

I don't agree with Bannon on much but he is correct about Pope Francis, he's a pawn of the globalists and their open borders agenda. The Vatican has 8 billion in assets and another 1.6 billion in the Italian stock market alone. Like all corporate entities, governments or billionaires that are heavily invested in speculative wealth they are sharply aware of the need for growing populations, increasing consumer bases & cheap labor pools to feed "economic growth" and keep their fortunes in that speculative wealth intact and growing. The "spiritual leader" of the Catholic church protects it's investments with the all fanaticism and fervor of every ultra rich bastard that has lived and died in this world, but hypocritically pretends he cares about migrants for "humanitarian" reasons.

If it is arson, the most likely culprits would be somebody from the rapidly growing Muslim population in Paris.

That's exactly what a Bannonite would say 15.Apr.2019 22:30

rAT

That "Muslims probably did it". Reichstag fire anyone? Bannon just purchased a multi-million dollar monastery in Italy just to hassle Catholics with. So don't tell me he lacks financial and international clout among his Nazi minions in France, Italy and Germany. Trump is the new Symbolic Hitler of the lunatic right. Rave on.

Of Course. Bannon Did It 16.Apr.2019 06:33

blues

It's so obvious. Nobody but Bannon would do it. Why didn't I think of this?

Bannon just started WWIII.

Read more carefully rAT 16.Apr.2019 12:06

Erasmite

A "Bannonite"? Seriously, you call me that after what I wrote? While there are a few things I might be in alignment with him on for the most part our philosophies would be diametrically opposed to each other. You didn't pick that up from my comment? You really need to work on your comprehension rAT, and stop with the knee jerk name calling and accusations.

Obviously I am anti exploitation, anti corporate, anti government and pro environment. I just don't buy into the pop nonsense that most so called progressives cheerlead for here on Indymedia, few of whom grasp the contradiction of fanatically taking up for causes being promoted by the billionaire owned corporate media. Open border fanaticism is one of them, mass migration is a capitalist tool designed to line the pockets of the rich and it does not benefit the world at large in any meaningful way, but you can't tell progressives that or they start with the name calling and labeling. Bannon might be against mass migration also but he's not going to go down the road of anti capitalism, he'd have some choice words for me also if we debated it, likely call me some kind of anarchist loon, and he'd be somewhat right about the anarchist part. Of course you got pissed off at me also and so do most progressives, so I must be doing something right.

Lol, rAT is off his meds again. 16.Apr.2019 20:32

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p.s. RE: physical condition of Notre-Dame de Paris — 16.Apr.2019 20:45

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the 3 rosette windows have apparently survived.

basically all that was completely lost was the (reconstructed) wood roof, and its (reconstructed in the 19th century) spire.

Most of the structure of the building, flying buttresses, towers — while perhaps slightly weakened/cosmetically charred in a few areas — remain intact. Also, many of the cherished artworks inside the building were preserved and/or were not completely lost-destroyed.

So: this incident did not "burn down" the cathedral. It was (severely? / partially) damaged by fire, nothing more.

Best Guess? ...Heist of Artwork 16.Apr.2019 21:19

Tracy Mapes

You could never steal Great Works of Art inside the Church.

It didn't come to me until I saw video of Great Art Works being loaded on trucks for outside storage.

Burning Gothic: Reflections on Notre-Dame de Paris 21.Apr.2019 13:03

by Binoy Kampmark / April 21st, 2019

"But no matter the destruction, the spirit of what it means to be a cathedral can and does survive such catastrophes."

— Becky Clark, Church of England director of cathedrals and church buildings, April 17, 2019

The destruction of the sacred will engender moving responses. But the scope, and the particularity of that response varies. The conflagration affecting Notre-Dame de Paris, located on the Île de la Cité, has become a twenty-four-hour saturation phenomenon. Thirteen million annual visitors, a geographical pride of place at the centre of Paris, and vast repository of France in all matters religious, cultural and political, would have ensured that.

The attention given to other sites of sacred worth tends to be limited. It is unlikely, for instance, that pledges of up to $113 million, promised by François-Henri Pinault to assist in the rebuilding project, are going to be heading the way of the more obscure sites of desecrated or damaged history. A south Louisiana parish, for instance, is desperate for funding in rebuilding three Black churches of historic significance burned down in "suspicious' circumstances. "There is clearly something happening in this community," suggested State Fire Marshal H. Browning. The funding target for the GoFundMe campaign is $1.8 million. To date, $1.5 million has been secured.

Notre-Dame will do that to the millionaire and billionaire set: draw attention from the well-heeled and a chance for celebrity posterity in the premier culture league. (Even wineries such as the Château Mouton Rothschild are re-directing money from auctions to the cause.) While the idea of purchasing a place of heaven is not as popular as it once was, it still exerts some hold in the secular world through the idea of enduring reputation. Such gestures of financial promise have also stirred the pot of misplaced empathy for the cultural artefacts of a former colonial power.

People, in short, are not permitted their own singular ways of commemorating or grieving over a damaged or lost icon: they are to be scolded into appropriate acknowledgments and qualifications. A fine, and slightly perverse example of this came in responses to a remark by Rep. Ilhan Omar (D-MN), who was rebuked for suggesting that Notre-Dame might be considered in the same breath as "art and architecture". Former congressman Joe Walsh fulminated. "It was a house of worship. A Catholic Cathedral. It wouldn't have been difficult for you to acknowledge that."

Looking at such structures are also exercises of mutual and mass deception. Gothic architecture did not always share the enchanting mystery that has made structures such as Notre-Dame de Paris the subject of gooey adoration. Having lapsed into a mysterious, almost barbaric prior life before the preferences towards Romanesque and the Classicist, such architecture was redeemed by the calls of Romanticism. Victor Hugo's pen praised the Gothic form for its freedom, its daring, "encouraging license and dissent from authority," asserts John Sturrock in his introduction to the 1978 translation of Notre-Dame de Paris (1831), commonly known in Anglophone circles as The Hunchback of Notre Dame. Hugo's pen, in making the cathedral the protagonist, did the trick: interest in restoring the weathered, damaged structure was stimulated, halting the till then relentless drive towards tearing down Gothic Paris.

The fire that went through the Cathedral has been described variously as catastrophic and disastrous, but the nature of such creations is their permanent vulnerability and susceptibility to change. A scene from Hugo's own masterpiece is worth retelling, describing flames as the hunchbacked bellringer Quasimodo attacks the Truands in an effort to save Esmerelda. "All eyes were raised to the top of the church. They beheld there an extraordinary sight. On the crest of the highest gallery, higher than the central rose window, there was a great flame rising between the two towers with whirlwinds of sparks, a vast, disordered, and furious flame, a tongue of which was borne into the smoke by the wind, from time to time."

The building is all (well mostly, now) points, sharpness. It is jagged, skyscraper coherence. But to suggest that its body and shell was pure in its medieval form is to fall for a common deception perpetuated from the nineteenth century. The Gothic restoration mania of the period had the effect of turning Notre-Dame into a modern mutilation.

Eugène Emmanuelle Viollet-le-Duc, aided by Jean-Baptiste-Antoine Lassus, tended towards heavy restoration between 1845 and 1864 on the grounds that the original Gothic idea of the cathedral needed fuller realisation. They knew better. Being somehow in touch with those spirits, they went to work, warned by archaeological preservationist Prosper Mérimée about the dangers of overly keen touching up. "A restoration may be more disastrous for a monument than the ravages of centuries." Hugo, in the same spirit, observed "the countless defacements and mutilations to which men and time have subjected that venerable monument."

The now destroyed barbed spire of wood and lead (la flèche) was itself was an addition. Viollet-le-Duc also added a new pulpit; original statues were removed from their resting places of centuries; spectacular gargoyles became a feature; and the south façade's rose window received undue attention. Paris-born photographer Danie Aubry aptly observed that the Gothic-mad restorer "should have worked for Disney." Ironically enough, Monday's fire is being "potentially linked" to the $6.8 million renovation work that was already underway.

The visceral and rapid response from French President Emmanuel Macron was one of rebuilding. Cathedral spokesman André Finot spoke of the structure having suffered "colossal damage", with the frame obliterated. Not so, countered an optimistic Macron, taking on board the inspirational guise of Viollet-le-Duc. The rebuilding project would be grand and hurried. Forget decades; the President wants the structure to be finished in time for re-opening for the 2024 Summer Olympics in Paris. "We will rebuild Notre-Dame even more beautifully, and I want it to be completed in five years." To that end, an international design competition to rebuild parts of the building has been announced.

The Gothic concept was itself an act of daring on the part of Abbot Suger, who embraced lightness and light in his 1137 design for Saint-Denis. Platonism, Christianity and religious architecture were wed. The reconstruction of Notre-Dame might dare to be something different, but many expect a simulacrum of the original.