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Where Have All The Nazis Gone?

The corporate media and the rest of the Resistance had been flogging this event for months. That infamous photo of the tikki torch Nazis had been repeatedly reprinted all summer long. Features on Kessler, the organizer, whose activities seem to have been mostly funded by his grandmother, with whom he had also been living, had been published in major international broadsheets. The coverage peaked going into the weekend. On Saturday, he was featured on National Public Radio, where he shared his views on "racial intelligence." Go ahead, google him, and marvel at the amount of free publicity bestowed on this geek.

And it wasn't just the corporate media. No, the militant "anti-fascist" left had also been also promoting this so-called "rally" as the Return of the Revenge of the Bride of Charlottesville. Affinity groups had been activated. "Anti-fascist" posters had been printed. Militant Twitter hashtags created. Snappy "anti-fascist" slogans, like "It takes a bullet to bash the fash," and "Drive out Trump/Pence fascist regime," had been applied to signs and banners. By Sunday morning, social media was buzzing with thousands of tweets and posts by people hoping to "punch a Nazi." Antifa was obviously looking forward to some hardcore "preventative self-defense" ... all they needed were a few hundred Nazis.

So it was a little embarrassing, to put it mildly, when only a dozen or two racists showed up, instead of the hordes of swastika-tattooed, Sieg-heiling Nazis the Resistance was hoping for. After all the energy and money they've invested in convincing millions of credulous liberals that America is being existentially threatened by legions of fascists "emboldened" by Trump (and somehow connected to Vladimir Putin), to then have this paltry bunch of racist misfits show up for "the big Nazi rally" ... well, it kind of makes a mockery of the official narrative they've been selling everyone.
August 17, 2018

Where Have All the Nazis Gone?

by CJ Hopkins

So it appears Antifa has scared Trump's army of emboldened Nazis back into their hidey holes, or at least that's the spin the Resistance is putting on the deeply weird events of last Sunday. In case you missed it, what happened was, thousands of "anti-fascist" protestors converged on the streets of the nation's capitol to deny a platform to (or just beat the snot out of) twenty or thirty racist idiots who were trying to assemble in Lafayette Square and stand around shouting racist slogans at each other. The organizer of this idiotic fiasco (i.e., the racist fiasco, not the protest thereof) was the same attention-seeking, racist idiot that had organized the original "Unite the Right" event in Charlottesville in 2017. During that weekend, as I'm sure you'll recall, a white supremacist drove his car into a crowd of protesters, killing a woman, numerous other people were assaulted, and a few hundred racists in polo shirts and khakis marched around with tikki torches hollering neo-Nazi gibberish in an attempt to launch some sort of race war, or protest the removal of a statue, or something.

Last Sunday was a bit less dramatic. Basically, these twenty or thirty racists were escorted by hundreds of riot police and Secret Service to Lafayette Square, where they found themselves surrounded by thousands of protesters, many of whom intended to stomp their guts out. This must have been a bit unsettling, because the racists reportedly fled their own "rally" before they had even had the chance to holler any Nazi gibberish at each other. This was extremely disappointing for the militant "anti-fascist" contingent, which had been counting on another balls-out street fight. According to The New York Times, a group of frustrated militant types tried to burn a Confederate flag, but it wouldn't catch fire, so they were forced to rip it apart with their hands and jump up and down on it. Other militant "anti-fascists" threw anti-Nazi eggs at the cops, presumably as a form of "preventative self-defense," or just to ensure that Breitbart had some video to paint them as "terrorists" with. The not-quite-so-militant "anti-fascist" contingent, most of whom never even caught a glimpse of the "emboldened" Nazis they had come to resist, apparently dispersed without incident.

The corporate media and the rest of the Resistance had been flogging this event for months. That infamous photo of the tikki torch Nazis had been repeatedly reprinted all summer long. Features on Kessler, the organizer, whose activities seem to have been mostly funded by his grandmother, with whom he had also been living, had been published in major international broadsheets. The coverage peaked going into the weekend. On Saturday, he was featured on National Public Radio, where he shared his views on "racial intelligence." Go ahead, google him, and marvel at the amount of free publicity bestowed on this geek.

And it wasn't just the corporate media. No, the militant "anti-fascist" left had also been also promoting this so-called "rally" as the Return of the Revenge of the Bride of Charlottesville. Affinity groups had been activated. "Anti-fascist" posters had been printed. Militant Twitter hashtags created. Snappy "anti-fascist" slogans, like "It takes a bullet to bash the fash," and "Drive out Trump/Pence fascist regime," had been applied to signs and banners. By Sunday morning, social media was buzzing with thousands of tweets and posts by people hoping to "punch a Nazi." Antifa was obviously looking forward to some hardcore "preventative self-defense" ... all they needed were a few hundred Nazis.

So it was a little embarrassing, to put it mildly, when only a dozen or two racists showed up, instead of the hordes of swastika-tattooed, Sieg-heiling Nazis the Resistance was hoping for. After all the energy and money they've invested in convincing millions of credulous liberals that America is being existentially threatened by legions of fascists "emboldened" by Trump (and somehow connected to Vladimir Putin), to then have this paltry bunch of racist misfits show up for "the big Nazi rally" ... well, it kind of makes a mockery of the official narrative they've been selling everyone.

According to that official narrative, which the global capitalist ruling classes and the corporate media have been disseminating since Hillary Clinton lost the election, America and democracy are under attack by a vast conspiracy of Russians and Nazis (I've been referring to them as "the Putin-Nazis"), nominally led by Donald Trump, but actually controlled by Vladimir Putin, who is trying to annihilate "the West" and establish a Russian-Nazi Empire which he will personally rule with an iron fist.

As the story goes, back in 2015, Putin and his Russian Nazis, infuriated at us for fomenting a coup with our Ukrainian Nazis on their southern border, finally activated Donald Trump, who they had recruited back in the 1980s (then blackmailed with a sex tape twenty years later) and who had been posing as a narcissistic billionaire ass clown while awaiting the "go code" from his handlers in Moscow. Trump sprang immediately into action, announcing his candidacy on June 16, and set about "emboldening" the millions of American Nazis who had been patiently waiting for the day when a racist New York real estate huckster would rise from the depths of reality television to lead them to victory in RaHoWa, or whatever. Up until Trump announced his run, these American Nazis had been keeping a low profile by having swastikas tattooed on their faces, flying Confederate flags in their yards, burning crosses, posting calls for genocide on Nazi websites, and occasionally murdering people of color and bombing churches and day care centers. Once Trump hit the hustings, however, the Nazis abandoned all restraint and got right down to the business of posting Nazi frogs on social media, touring campuses with Nazi book tours, and gathering in upscale Italian restaurants to be photographed mimicking Hitler-salutes.

All this emboldenment culminated in the infamous rally in Charlottesville last summer, which, as the Resistance pointed out, was just like Kristallnacht ... except that Charlottesville was not a pogram and ninety-one Jewish people weren't murdered. But, aside from that, it was exactly the same. Trump emboldened it, then openly condoned it, and given that he's a Russian agent, we can assume the orders came directly from Putin, who presumably has agents in the fascist underground, possibly in Kessler's grandmother's basement, and who's been poisoning people randomly in Salisbury (i.e., Putin has, not Kessler's grandmother), and possibly orchestrating Jeremy Corbyn's Nazification of the Labour Party, and who has been influencing people with Facebook posts, and God knows what other horrors he's been up to ... at this point, it's hard to keep it all straight.

In any event, following the Charlottesville Kristallnacht, the Resistance went to work hunting down Nazis, getting them arrested or fired from their jobs, or just showing up at their pathetic little gatherings and stomping the living Hitler out of them. Being mostly idiots, they weren't hard to find ... or at least not the tikki torch Kessler variety. We're not talking about the Aryan Brotherhood here. We're talking about creeps like the Crying Nazi, Richard Spencer (another media darling), Andrew Auernheimer, a/k/a "weev," groups like the Proud Boys (who you've probably never heard of unless you travel in "anti-fascist" circles), and other such idiots who have absolutely nothing to do with actual power in the United States, or anywhere else.

Which, of course, is the point of the Nazi hysteria the Resistance has been barraging us with, that is, when they are not too busy barraging us with the Trump-is-a-Russian-Agent hysteria. As I have outlined in several other essays, there is no "Russian Attack on Democracy," nor is there any "blood-dimmed tide" of emboldened Naziism menacing the West. All that is really happening is, the global capitalist ruling classes are conducting a counterinsurgency PSYOP, the objective of which is to put down "populist" resistance to the spread of global capitalism. There is no clutch of global capitalists sitting in a room conspiring to do this. It is simply the system responding (as a system) to eliminate an internal threat, and reestablish control of its environment, which in this case happens to be the whole planet (as global capitalism has no external enemies).

One part of this counterinsurgency PSYOP is to delegitimize anyone and anything that stands in the way of global capitalism. It does not matter one iota whether the opposition stems from what most of us think of as the "left" or the "right." Global capitalism does not care. It simply cannot have major disruptions like the Brexit referendum and the election of Trump screwing with its Privatization of Everything (which it began in the early 1990s, immediately after the end of the Cold War). Such populist insurgencies feed each other. One day, it's the nationalists abandoning the EU, the next day, it's socialists boycotting Israel, the day after that it could be Americans demanding universal healthcare, subsidized college education, or demilitarization of the nation's police. Things could get out of control pretty quickly.

The other part of this counterinsurgency PSYOP is manufacturing as much mass hysteria and paranoia about Russian agents and emboldened Nazis as humanly possible. This aspect of the PSYOP sells itself ... opposing global capitalism is difficult work and not very rewarding. It's so much easier (and much more fun) to hunt down imaginary Russians and Nazis. And if you don't know any Russian operatives, or can't find any actual Nazis, no worries, there are plenty of Assad-apologists, Putin-apologists, Alex Jones-apologists, terrorist-apologists, transphobic racists, anti-Semitic British socialists, and crypto-Red-Brown fascist entryists, not to mention Susan Sarandon and everyone else who didn't vote for Clinton. You can hunt them down and call them names on Facebook from the comfort of your home. I'm relatively sure the Internet monitors at the Atlantic Council won't mind if you do. Just watch what you say about the CIA, the FBI, the NSA, and the other valiant corporations and non-governmental organizations that are "working together to secure the future."

Oh and if you do see any of those actual Nazis crawling up out of their hidey holes, or anyone who looks they might be about to commit an act of verbal genocide, go ahead and gouge their eyes out or something ... because we can't afford to give these Nazis an inch. Have a nice day, and happy hunting!

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CJ Hopkins is a fucking idiot 18.Aug.2018 12:04

A.K.

Gee! You mean a well connected white privileged male doubts the existence of Nazis in this country?

It is always the case that those least affected by anti-semitism, racism, racist stalking and racist violence are the ones who swear to some fucking god that these behaviors don't exist.

Also, dear underscore, keep on posting these articles in your pathetic attempt to dis Antifa.

And yes, let us repeat our adage; "Why does underscore still suck?"

You are a fool.

Adage, ad hominem, and IT AIN'T JUST A RIVER IN EGYPT. 18.Aug.2018 13:06

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You are a fool / our adage; "Why does underscore still suck?" / CJ Hopkins is a fucking idiot
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well connected white privileged male = Antifa membership constituency.

Documented evidence: when was Antifa asked by the African American / Latino communities of (for example) Portland, Oregon to "defend" against "Nazis"?
no, no... That doesn't exist.

keep it up with your ad hominem 'adages' which seem to be serving you well in DenialLand.

Stil loling 18.Aug.2018 13:29

Fuck You

Undie, denial? I just peed a little. You are hilarious.

Antifa activism, i.e., doxing, getting fascists fired from their jobs, monkey wrenching and creating phantom infighting in various anti-simitic and white supremacist organizations had little to do with the fact that Little Jason Kessler showed up recently in D.C. with only a couple dozen of his BFFs.

Yup. Had almost zero impact on Nazi participation in that event.

Also, why do you still suck?

Whenever you can specifically refute facts in ^^ originally-posted article 18.Aug.2018 13:42

be sure and let us all know.

Until then it's just a bunch of (regurgitated) ad hominem adages.

( and "peeing" yourself with faux delight )

No Nazi fash here Undie! 19.Aug.2018 12:00

Fuck You

Hey fucken brain dead CJ Hopkins!
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Eugene Martial Arts Instructor Andrew Allwander Plans for Violent Attacks Against Antifascists


 https://eugeneantifa.noblogs.org/post/2018/07/12/eugene-martial-arts-instructor-andrew-allwander-plans-for-violent-attack-against-antifascists/

RE: "plans for violent attack against antifascists" 19.Aug.2018 13:34

You Need To Get Out More.

( ^ a "Eugene martial arts instructor" is not a "Nazi", btw ... )

Y'all should check out some widely popular right wing internet forums (**NO**, _not_ the 'Nazi' or WN forums.) On mainstream popular right wing forums, the bashing and attacking of Antifa at public marches and events is openly discussed and encouraged; by forum members who are garden variety Republicans and Trump supporters.

Antifa is not an embraced entity, or in any way 'broadening support' for its own message or tactics. Proud Boys, for example, may be hiding WN or 'Nazi' sympathizers within its ranks by its crypto-racist deceptive tactics and public image but, whether or not an average GOP/Trump supporter actually becomes a signed-up Card-Carrying member of PBs, the message of 'bash Antifa' (violently) is widely and popularly shared and cheered on among *all* of the liberal-bashing, Trump supporting American right wing.

In fact Antifa, due to its earnest desire to get high profile public visibility in the 'bash fash' promoted events, has become broadly emblematic, for the mainstream American right wing, of "what is wrong with" leftists.
(No matter how much any of them might individually acknowledge that Antifa "doesn't represent the left" or "is not the same as" the left; the perception and symbolism of Antifa for the left more broadly remains the same.)

In addition, among Republicans, liberal-bashers, and Trump supporters Antifa has become the entity which intends to restrict freedom of speech (yes, again none of those GOPers, liberal bashers or Trump supporters are card-carrying PBs; but they have still been conditioned to see Antifa actions as free speech-restrictive, starting with Berkeley 2017).

Don't take my word for this, or rely on how the corporate mass media portrays either Antifa, Proud Boys or their commonly shared public ***d jousting. Go check out the (non-'Nazi', non-racist, non-WN) right wing forums yourself.

Nazis? What Nazis? 19.Aug.2018 14:10

Fuck You

"Hundreds of neo-Nazis waving flags with the colors of the German Reich are marching through central Berlin, protected from counter-protesters by police in riot gear.

"Berlin police spokesman Thilo Cablitz said officers had to physically remove some left-wing demonstrators who had staged sit-down protests along the route of Saturday's march."

 link to www.timesdaily.com

You need to get out more 19.Aug.2018 14:15

Fuck You

Yeah genius, we are all over "Y'all should check out some widely popular right wing internet forums."

You said "Don't take my word for this, or rely on how the corporate mass media portrays either Antifa, Proud Boys or their commonly shared public ***d jousting."

Exactly. We are not taking your word for ANYTHING. We ARE Antifa. We have been face to face with Patriot Prayer, PBs and their assorted white supremacist/Nazi base.

Also, this post and thread is about the claim that there is no Nazi threat anywhere.

Try to pay attention k Thx bye.

Addendum to 19.Aug.2018 13:34 — U.S.-based Antifa shoots self in foot. 19.Aug.2018 14:39

You Need To Get Out More.

a few other observations about Antifa (in America... as noted  http://portland.indymedia.org/en/2018/07/436509.shtml?discuss#453446 <-- in previous discussion, of course the WN threat exists in For Example, ^ Germany) and their chosen strategy of meeting-up with the WN Trolls.... Proud Boys was founded by Gavin McInnes, a prime internet troll of our time.... you're being Trolled. (Purposely.)

as noted in prior recent discussion here on Portland Indymedia, U.S. corporate mass media coverage of Antifa in these Street Gang Brawls tends to be negative (and, of course and expectedly, brings down the local law enforcement boom directly on their heads while, with increasing frequency, 'sparing' the WNs/racists).

Mainstream right wingers, garden variety Trump supporters (i.e. those who are *not* card-carrying PBs or regular protest participants / otherwise would not show up in street demonstrations for any cause) spectate these events via livestream and TV; enthusiastically cheering on both the police (to bash Antifa preferentially rather than PBs or anyone waving an American flag) and Proud Boy Patriots. It serves as 'bread and circuses' of a sort, but also the ideological-imagery and -perception (of the Left via Antifa's representative actions).

Thus mass corporate media appearance of these events, so highly touted as 'Important' and 'crucial' by Antifa organizers and announcements, in the end is only fostering a far more negative image and reputation for 'fighting fascism' / 'fighting racism' (<-- the 'officially stated' Antifa objectives). Progressive leftists, and far leftists (in whose mind the Street Gang Brawl with Antifa fighting "for" them is positive and absolutely required) may perhaps think "This Is The Only Thing To Be Done" when far right race-Trolls are in town but, after each Street Gang Battle (with Police topping) has concluded the public image Ltd of Antifa — via corporate mass media but also via the wide mainstream [*not* just the WN-racist specific newsletters] right wing / Republican internet forums and livestream fishbowl window — is further eroded.

( and as noted ^^ above 19.Aug.2018 13:34 — Antifa, while obviously distinct from the remainder of the progressive left, Democrats, "The Left" etc., ends up being emblematic of the Left's inherent capacity for 'radical violence' in the minds of average Trump supporters and Republicans. )

"We are not taking your word / We ARE Antifa"— 19.Aug.2018 14:42

You Need To Get Out More.

yeah. ok.

anyway, try reading & comprehending 19.Aug.2018 13:34 + 14:39

RE: "Nazis? What Nazis?"— 19.Aug.2018 14:50

You Need To Get Out More.

Text of your very own ^^ linked timesdaily article :

"Hundreds of neo-Nazis"...

note the 'neo-' .

Nazis ceased to exist after May 1945. The current United States "Illinois Nazis" [<-- 'Blues Brothers' movie reference] et al. are *neo*-Nazis.

When you are proven incapable of naming things correctly or even accurately it vastly diminishes any credibility you wish to achieve.


(fwiw...) criminal justice professor at Cal State San Bernardino agrees: 19.Aug.2018 16:16

You Need To Get Out More.

regarding the overall visibility of these Street Gang Violence bread-&-circus events, and how they end up playing out in the broader Mediasphere (*no matter* the ideology or ingoing-intentions of either side)—

---> *KEY POINT BELOW IS THAT RIGHT WING OUTLETS, SOCIAL MEDIA and **when combined with generic U.S. Corporate Mass Media coverage** TRANSLATES INTO MORE pro-Right Wing cumulative OVERALL VISIBILITY, for each Street Gang Violence bread-&-circus event that goes down.

Secondary Point (obvious) is that the Right Wing violence, groups are more REGIMENTALLY ORGANIZED than is Antifa (which tends to be more 'chaotic'/decentrally-organized in its violence and acts of counter-protest to Right Wing violence).

note also his mention of the *Escalating Arms Race* ( <--- and, wonder who is going to emerge victor of a specifically escalating 'arms race' between Antifa, and Regimentally Organized right wing groups.... ) :


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Brian Levin, criminal justice professor at California State University at San Bernardino who is an expert on hate groups, said ideology aside, street violence is generally increasing at political demonstrations, as extremist groups are egged on by each other's words and actions:

To be sure, there is a violent subsection of antifa which is getting much publicity and much more prominent — to say they're not is just false. By the same token there isn't a moral equivalency in philosophy, but there is an escalating arms race with regard to extremists on different sides, of which I think alt-right are now at the forefront.

But, he pointed out, "antifa" isn't as organized as the alt-right, and doesn't have the access to the channels of publicity and governmental influence that the alt-right does:

The alt-right is far more organized and has greater access to the political mainstream than their less-organized cohorts on the hard left who do not enjoy or do not have the same structure or access into the political mainstream. Both are anti-establishments and socio-political entities that can radicalize constituents to violence but the alt-right just as an organism is far larger, more sophisticated and more able to participate in the political mainstream, particularly through messaging.
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http://www.snopes.com/news/2017/08/17/are-antifa-and-the-alt-right-equally-violent/
Snopes: 'Are 'Antifa' and the 'Alt-Right' Equally Violent?'

You Assholes Don't Even Know What Nazi's Are! ... 19.Aug.2018 19:48

The Red 'X' Society

They are the Fucking Whores in Your Newsrooms.

They Do Not March around in parade with Armbands.

They are the Same Assholes Who pull a gun and Stick it in your Face for a God Damned Traffic Stop.

They are the One Dressed like Storm Troopers outside of Political Conventions to keep you
separated from the Political Process & Discussion.

The Other Assholes are just to keep you from engaging the Enemy.

Learn Who Your Fucking Enemy Is. Period.

Stupid article 20.Aug.2018 11:34

Me

Don't know if this is an attempt at satire but sure serves as a fail. You don't have to look hard to see fascist activity. And the ones not wearing swasticas are running the government.

"You don't have to look hard to see fascist activity"— Indeed, no. 20.Aug.2018 12:32

>

 http://portland.indymedia.org/en/2018/08/436606.shtml#453704

America's 21st century problem (and it took the country decades to arrive at this point) isn't its Pepsi-vs-Coke 'one corporate party', the U.S. presidency, or the executive / legislative / judicial branches of U.S. government. Nothing and nobody 'elected' is the problem.

Shadow government and deep state are the problem: CIA, NSA, "Federal Reserve" (<--which is neither of those 2 words), IRS, DEA, DHS, FBI, NRO, Military-Industrial-Complex, multinational corporate lobbyists (<--which fully pre-draft all legislation for Congress to pass), U.S. corporate mass media et al.

These are the FASCIST entities which have a chokehold on the way the American people are governed, and further are absolutely not acting in the interests of individual Americans.

Lol lol lol 20.Aug.2018 19:39

Fuck You

So Undie is now taking on a new identity: "You Need To Get Out More"

You just make it too easy, Cupcake.

Also, come and visit me in the comment section. Loooonly...

"Cupcake." 20.Aug.2018 21:08

>

Yeah whenever you progress beyond Ad Hominem and TwitterFacebook-140-character snide, be sure and let us know.

( Your — if it's *you* in PDX-Eugene Antifa which I happen to doubt it is because you haven't the balls for that — displayed achievments in the community are positively astounding and worthy of nothing but adoration, worship and e-fandom. I mean, RCA and Eugene Antifa are super popular name-brands especially among leftists these days not to mention their namesake local communities.... )

Nazis? What Nazis? 21.Aug.2018 13:37

Fuck Yopu

And look how ineffective that skanky terrorist Antifa is!!
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Atlanta Antifa Outs County Jail Guards as Neo-Nazis, Gets Them Fired

"I'll say this I am extremely right winged and I view racism as normal," Costner wrote. "Just read the definition of racism and it's not a bad thing. That's my own belief though. I went from being a libertarian Conservative to more Authoritarian."

Members of Atlanta Antifa also dug up comments from Jesse Jones on the gaming platform Steam, in which he wrote "Hitler did nothing wrong" on his profile. His Steam profile also has a "blue line" flag for his profile picture, which is a symbol of the "Blue Lives Matter" movement. The group was able to identify multiple accounts by both former guards that shared the same screen name on Facebook, Instagram, YouTube, Steam, Reddit, that were all interconnected with one another.



 https://gritpost.com/antifa-outs-jail-guards/

Nothing to be gained here 21.Aug.2018 17:54

A.K.

This would have been a great discussion if more than two people might have actually addressed this ridiculous article by CJ Hopkins.

And this thread gains nothing with Indy troll underscore taking part and doing, as they always do, everything to push their alt-right white supremacist bullshit and derail the topic at hand. Others do not veer very far from him here.

There are numerous examples to counter Hopkins' argument in the discussion section here. For everyone of those there are hundreds more.

The photo here was taken by Lauren Hudgins at the Patriot Prayer (local hate group) in Portland OR on August 4.

It is nothing but baffling as to why the editors of Counter Punch would allow this article to go out. Utterly stupid.

There was a time when this webpage was a great place for real discussion. It is now left to unstable trolls and conspiracy theorists.

Good for a laugh, nothing more.
"SS" Nazi tattoo

("baffling"...) 21.Aug.2018 13:37 did Mommy bake you a Cupcake after that? 21.Aug.2018 18:06

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^ what a resounding smackdown Victory for 'Anti-Fascism', a Gamer-forum troll posted a 3rd-grade baitpost about "Hitler blah blah blah"
and boy oh boy did you ever show him what for!



RE: (another clueless *******K) "A.K." and his blessed "SS" Nazi tattoo,
yeah that has been a fash-ion item going on sevenplus decades now for the well-tatted neo-Nazi (<--- note the 'neo'). And the SchutzStaffel hasn't existed since May 1945. Never seen one of those tats? You need to hang out at biker bars (I know I know you don't go there) more.

We know. already. neo-Nazis actually 'exist'. The debate is over how much of an actual threat they pose; or whether they just iconographically and symbolically pose (<--- remind you of someone, hm? ....) .


Note the Past Tense "was" below :
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The Schutzstaffel (SS; literally "Protection Squadron") ****was**** a major paramilitary organization under Adolf Hitler and the Nazi Party (NSDAP) in Nazi Germany, and later throughout German-occupied Europe during World War II.

Dissolved 8 May 1945


"There was a time when this webpage ____________________ ." 21.Aug.2018 18:13

^

See that blank line?

it is up to *you* to fill in the blank.

When your mind is a blank, and all you can muster in year 2018 is regurgitated 140-character TwitFBSnapchat trashTrolling,
then no discussion occurs.


Not to mention the 'activism' itself in this town. Kudos to a few brave souls who keep showing up at the City's chambers on occasion to press flesh, but the great community campaigns of Portland's past (anti-war activism, advocacy for poor and underemployed people, anti-corporate and anti-globalist demonstrations etc.) are no more.

I mean, *you* brought it up. Can you follow up?

"why the editors of Counter Punch[sic]" 21.Aug.2018 18:16

: counterpunch@counterpunch.org

(since it apparently rubs you raw) why don't you contact them directly?

Hopkins' article certainly got a lot more online views at their .com homepage than your most recent RCA/Eugene Street Gang Violence sponsored-event did.

How common is Nazi iconography among bikers? 21.Aug.2018 18:31

By Christopher Beam

Jan. 27 2011 4:08 PM

Highway to Heil

How common is Nazi iconography among bikers?

By Christopher Beam

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Jesse James. Click image to expand.
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Another day, another photo associating Jesse James with Nazi iconography.

US Weekly released an undated photo on Wednesday of James, former husband of Sandra Bullock, sitting in a car next to a man giving a "sieg heil" salute. Another picture, posted on Facebook by an employee of James's motorcycle company, West Coast Choppers, features the children's book character Flat Stanley dressed as Adolf Hitler. These pictures might be surprising if it weren't for the previously published photo of James from 2004 saluting while wearing a Nazi hat, plus pictures of his former mistress, Michelle McGee, posing with a Nazi hat and swastika armband.

A friend of James explained to US Weekly that the Nazi pictures don't make James a neo-Nazi or a racist, "He's into history," the person says. "The swastika deal is to scare people. It's part of biker culture."

That might be true—if this were 1969. Anyone who's read Hunter S. Thompson's Hell's Angelsor seen older biker movies like The Glory Stompers (1968) knows that biker gangs would sometimes wear swastikas or iron crosses—a German decoration during World War II.

But Nazi symbolism is a lot less common among bikers than it used to be, says Tom Barker, a professor of criminal justice at Eastern Kentucky University who studies motorcycle gangs. "It's really unusual," says Barker. Biker gangs used to roam American highways with all kinds of Nazi insignia—swastikas, iron crosses, SS-style lightning bolts, steel helmets, peaked caps. But that stuff has gone out of fashion in the last decade or two, says Barker.

The main reason: marketing. As motorcycle organizations like the Hells Angels and the Banditos and the Outlaws have established chapters across the world—including Germany, where Nazi symbols are illegal—they've toned down the regalia. At the same time, the Hells Angels—sorry, the Hells Angels Motorcycle Corp.—have become a profitable business, selling merchandise and trademarking their logo. (When Disney used a similar-looking image in the movie Wild Hogs,the Angels filed suit.)

There's always been a connection between motorcycle gangs and white supremacy. None of the five major American gangs—Hells Angels, Banditos, Outlaws, Mongols, and Pagans—are said to allow black people to become members (there's the occasional reported exception), although some have begun to recruit Latinos. And some members sport tattoos that explicitly endorse white power, like the "W" and "P" on the back of Michelle McGee's legs. Some chapters of the Hells Angels have even reportedly linked up with neo-Nazis.

But for most bikers, Nazi iconography has less to do with supporting Nazi ideology than wanting to piss people off, says Barker. Modern American motorcycle gangs started in the late 1940s and early 1950s, just after veterans of World War II brought home iron crosses and other trophies. "One-percenters"—so named in response to the claim that 99 percent of bikers are law-abiding—adopted the Nazi insignia as a form of patriotic rebellion: By using it, they showed their love of country (we defeated the Nazis) and their indifference toward their countrymen (they know it makes you uncomfortable). "This stuff—iron crosses, the Nazi insignia, the German helmets—that's to shock people. To let them know we're individualists," Hells Angels icon Sonny Barger told the Los Angeles Times in the 1960s. "If a Hells Angels guy is wearing Nazi paraphernalia, it's basically their equivalent of sticking up a finger to some middle class family they see in a Volvo," says Julian Sher, a Globe and Mail correspondent and co-author of Angels of Death: Inside the Biker Gangs' Global Crime Empire.

In Hell's Angels, Thompson argues the paraphernalia was mostly to épater le bourgeoisie: "They insist and seem to believe that their swastika fetish is no more than an antisocial joke, a guaranteed gimmick to bug the squares, the taxpayers—all those they spitefully refer to as 'citizens.' ... If they wanted to be artful about bugging the squares they would drop the swastika and decorate their bikes with the hammer and sickle."

That's the funny thing about the claim by James's friend that he wears Nazi memorabilia because he's "into history." To most bikers, a swastika is no more about killing Jews than it was about Hindu good luck to the Nazis. It's about being a badass—and that's it. The whole point is that it's divorced from history. The fact that many profiles of James describe the logo of West Coast Choppers not as an iron cross (to which it's identical) but a Maltese cross (to which it's not identical) gives you a sense of how little the history matters. The symbol has become so assimilated that some people just call it the biker cross.

Ripped from that context, though—the context of macho bikers wanting to look cool and scary—and splashed it across celebrity blogs, it makes everyone involved seem like a Nazi sympathizer. For a true outlaw biker, that wouldn't be so bad. The whole point is to horrify people. But for a celebrity like James, it's a career killer. So he has to play the "history buff" card. James wants to be a celebrity and to have biker cred. It turns out you can't have both.


Nazi Lowriders 21.Aug.2018 18:34

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The Nazi Lowriders (or NLR, or The Ride) are a Neo-Nazi, White supremacist organized crime syndicate, and prison and street gang based primarily in Southern California and Texas. They also have small factions in rural and suburban Chicago, and are believed to have spread to many other states. They are allies of the larger and more notorious gangs, the Aryan Brotherhood and the Mexican Mafia and fellow peckerwood gang Public Enemy No. 1. Their main rivals are the Bloods, the Crips, the Black Guerrilla Family, MS-13, Norteños, and Nuestra Familia. The Nazi Low Riders operate in and outside prison walls. They are often fueled by their drug of choice, methamphetamine. NLR violence has struck the general public, including police officers.


Undeniably Undie/You Need To Get Out More/AKA > 22.Aug.2018 12:28

Fuck You

Why are you ignoring stark evidence of Nazi activity that are posted in the discussion section here?

"Nazi activity" — hasn't existed since May 1945. 22.Aug.2018 13:15

EPluribusAntifa

( "ignoring"  http://portland.indymedia.org/en/2018/08/436616.shtml#453751 Did Mommy bake you a Cupcake? )

*if* there is any "activity" (?) it is by neo-Nazis.
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Nazi Lowriders 21.Aug.2018 18:34  http://portland.indymedia.org/en/2018/08/436616.shtml#453756
How common is Nazi iconography among bikers? 21.Aug.2018 18:31  http://portland.indymedia.org/en/2018/08/436616.shtml#453755

'Fuck You' is ILLITERATE (but also a troll, natch)

(hey, I know y'all hate-don't trust CounterPunch^ but) 04.Sep.2018 21:54

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Nazis on the March in Germany 04.Sep.2018 21:51

by Victor Grossman

September 3, 2018

Berlin.

 http://portland.indymedia.org/en/2018/08/436634.shtml#453889