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If Working Class Activism Is Such A Resounding Success, Why Did Trump Win?

Answer the question.
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Title 10.Nov.2016 21:08

Me

Who told you working class activism is a success?

well, WHAT IS IT then? 10.Nov.2016 21:13

_

is Black Lives Matter,

and (tonight) vandalism at car dealerships, blocking roads, sparring with police who don't give a **** anyway -

_better_, _more effective_ and more worthwhile than

Organizing For The Working Class?



you tell me.

Title 11.Nov.2016 01:04

Me

How do you define "Organizing For The Working Class?"

What would you rather see done than what has happened in Portland as well as across the U.S. since the election? Tell us what you see as being more effective. Lay out for us a detailed analysis and strategy that you think would be more constructive.

And you still haven't answered where you heard, or, who it is that is speaking of working class activism as such a resounding success. Who is claiming that this is the case? And in what time frame? Do you mean currently? Under what organizing campaign? Past? Present?

why should I lay it out, when YOU claim to be designated Worker Advocate? 11.Nov.2016 08:27

_

it is _you_ who claim to be 'radical'


it is _you_ who claim to be in favor of Working people


it is _you_ who espouse the virtues and effectiveness of Activism


it is _you_ who claim to advocate for the 'underdog', people who work for a living


it is _you_ who claim that the Establishment / 1% is root of all problems


I am simply asking, when the result of election 2016 was a resounding 'NO' to Establishment globalist policy and its candidate, and was carried out by a candidate who ran on a platform advocating for jobs, working people, stopping globalist TPP agreements (and the past 2 decades' NAFTA policies which were prosecuted by the Establishment candidate's own husband) -


why is it that Trump had to be their advocate and not Indymedia / DemocracyNow / BernieBros / Occupy / Elizabeth Warren / Food Not Bombs / WHO EVER ?


who is the real world advocate for American workers, who or what entity, what ideology, what 'movement' represents and furthers their cause in 2016 vs. the Wall Street-banking-insurance globalist 1%

Do you reject the notion that, the radical or progressive movements are or at least should be, on the side of Working people?

Title 11.Nov.2016 12:34

Me

Actually, no, I have not claimed any of the things that you say I have. You have no idea who or what I advocate.

You haven't answered any of my questions. Should I further clarify them for you?

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I could use some clarification from you or anyone here possibly make sense of any of what _ said in the following in context with my comments.

"I am simply asking, when the result of election 2016 was a resounding

'NO' to Establishment globalist policy and its candidate, and was carried out by a candidate who ran on a platform advocating for jobs, working people, stopping globalist TPP agreements (and the past 2 decades' NAFTA policies which were prosecuted by the Establishment candidate's own husband) -

*Are you saying that Trump supports the working class? Can you provide evidence of this? Show us some examples of Trump and any support that he has given to the working class.

why is it that Trump had to be their advocate and not Indymedia / DemocracyNow / BernieBros / Occupy / Elizabeth Warren / Food Not Bombs / WHO EVER ?

*Are you saying that none of who you list here have ever advocated for the working class? Again, please provide evidence to support your claim.

who is the real world advocate for American workers, who or what entity, what ideology, what 'movement' represents and furthers their cause in 2016 vs. the Wall Street-banking-insurance globalist 1%

*Are you implying that Trump is the real world advocate for what you list? (Seriously folks, little help here...)

Do you reject the notion that, the radical or progressive movements are or at least should be, on the side of Working people?"

I never said that I rejected this notion. Also, please answer: Can you cite hard data to prove that the radical or progressive movements have not eve been on on the side of working people?

Thanks much.

Working Class Activism 11.Nov.2016 16:21

.i.

Since when has it ever helped the true working class? the only people I see promoting it are those who believe Portland is where you go to retire in your 20s.. Thats not working class.

looks like we got a live one 11.Nov.2016 20:49

_

'Me' wrote:
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"Are you saying that Trump supports the working class?"
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No. Not in the way you have posited / phrased it [QUOTE]"supports the working class" above.
(the only way I even implied that Trump 'supports' or advocates for the working class, is that in 2016 presidential election he was the only major party candidate apart from Sanders, who was 100% sabotaged by his own party AS WAS TRUMP until DT finally beat them at their game and secured the GOP nomination, to talk about working class Americans repeatedly and insistently.)

However he does get much support from working class persons, based on his public statements and business relationships going back decades. Many employees of his companies are quite satisfied with their jobs and benefits; Trump operations get generally good employee reviews.

i.e. it actually works the opposite direction from how you rhetorically twisted it (refer to Thomas Frank's article title below).


Millions Of Ordinary Americans Support Donald Trump. Here's Why
by Thomas Frank
 http://portland.indymedia.org/en/2016/03/431843.shtml

'Working-class white people who make up the bulk of Trump's fan base show up in amazing numbers ... but their views, by and large, do not appear in our prestige newspapers'
"... there is another way to interpret the Trump phenomenon. A map of his support may coordinate with racist Google searches, but it coordinates even better with deindustrialization and despair, with the zones of economic misery that 30 years of Washington's free-market consensus have brought the rest of America."


'Me' wrote:
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"Can you provide evidence of [Trump's support of the working class]?"
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See ^^ above (how things end up working, the opposite direction from your rhetorical twist).

Do yourself a favor too and listen to some of his campaign speeches (a few linked below).
He spends at least 10 minutes each speech solely on jobs and trade agreements (NAFTA, TPP).



'Me' wrote:
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"Are you saying that none of who you list here have ever advocated for the working class?"
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No. (?!) You just did though.

Why would I assert that? I spontaneously typed out several individuals and organizations (some of which I've even participated in myself) from top of my head that are progressive in various ways and advocate for issues of working people. It was meant in the spirit of good examples that have actual track records, for working class citizens in direct or related manner.



'Me' wrote:
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"Are you implying that Trump is the real world advocate for what you list?"
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Clearly outlined ^^ above. Again.



'Me' wrote:
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"Do you reject the notion that, the radical or progressive movements are or at least should be, on the side of Working people?"
"I never said that I rejected this notion."
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More rhetorical contortions? Already fully discussed + explained ^^ above.

2016 election though, was pretty clear cut (see ^^ above) :
Bernie and Trump were the 2 candidates SABOTAGED by their own parties, only Trump by saving grace strength of his own personal wealth, even in the face of his own GOP throwing $$ millions to prevent his nomination emerged unscathed to face the globalist corporatist candidate)


Read and comprehend the valuable information and data linked below

Democrat Party: Alliance of Wealthy Whites + Low Income Ethnic Minorities
 http://portland.indymedia.org/en/2016/09/433219.shtml

The larger conclusion from the data is that the Trump campaign both through the support Trump generates among working-class whites and the opposition he generates among better educated, more affluent voters has accelerated the ongoing transformation of the Democratic Party. Once a class-based coalition, the party has become an alliance between upscale well-educated whites and, importantly, ethnic and racial minorities, many of them low income.

How The Democrats Lost Touch On Trade
Party elites just got blindsided by their own working-class voters. Can they let go of their cherished globalist beliefs?
 http://portland.indymedia.org/en/2016/09/433159.shtml

TPP and NAFTA: Trump Is Speaking Against, Will Cancel TPP
 http://portland.indymedia.org/en/2016/08/432992.shtml


'Me' wrote:
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"Can you cite hard data to prove that the radical or progressive movements have not been on on the side of working people?"
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Yes.

See below (you're going to have to read the entire linked piece, as with the previously linked items above).

One of the primary other problems, is not only that funding is co-opted by corporate Democrat Party shell organizations, but also that the ideological focus has been deliberately trained away from WORKING **CLASS** concerns, into identity politics-focused issues (gays, race consciousness, 'safe spaces' etc.)

See the previous above-linked articles for some of the Left's movement veering away from ___working class___ as a primacy.

Result, in 2016? Donald Trump who for decades has written and spoken about American jobs and regular working people saw an opportunity to run with it on the opposite-from-Democrat ticket (being that the Dems are "well known" as the 'party that sticks up for ordinary / poor folk'), and actually turned his blue collar fan club into his own ticket for that key to 1600 Pennsylvania Avenue.

Please also note that authors such as Thomas Frank have been writing about this aspect of Trump's political ideology and constituency, for the past year (see the earlier-linked pieces above).

This isn't news!
(for anyone with a brain, doesn't go with 'groupthink' of their Activist pals, or with real political discernment at least...)

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The Progressive Movement Is A PR Front For Rich Democrats
 http://portland.indymedia.org/en/2016/11/433691.shtml

[ **BRIEF EXCERPT ONLY BELOW, GO READ THE ENTIRE ARTICLE posted here for convenience on PDX IMC WITH MUCH FURTHER REFERENCES AND DATA** ]


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The self-labeled Progressive Movement that has arisen over the past decade is primarily one big propaganda campaign serving the political interests of the the Democratic Party's richest one-percent who created it. The funders and owners of the Progressive Movement get richer and richer off Wall Street and the corporate system. But they happen to be Democrats, cultural and social liberals who can't stomach Republican policies, and so after bruising electoral defeats a decade ago they decided to buy a movement, one just like the Republicans, a copy.

For almost a decade now the funders of the Progressive Movement, the rich Democrats of the Democracy Alliance and their cliques, networks and organizations, have employed and funded political hacks, fundraisers, pollsters, organizers and PR flacks. Over the past ten years they have dumped more and more money into the big feeding trough shared by the major players of the Progressive movement. The overall goal and result has always been to bring withering rhetorical fire and PR attacks upon the Republican Right, while creating a tremendous fear of the Right to increase the vote for Democrats. This has become Job #1 for the Progressive Movement. No one quite remembers Job #2.

KEEP HOPE A JIVE

Predictably the echo chamber of the Progressive Media bloggers, columnists and editors at The Nation, Mother Jones and Alternet and elsewhere who get funding from the Democratic Elite defended the honor of 99% Spring. The Nation produced a special issue promoting it. A Mother Jones writer claimed that it was an indication that Occupy Wall Street had co-opted MoveOn.

Some of the idealistic young green activists employed by 350.org bought heavily into 99%. That inspired Insider to take a critical look at 350.org as a tool for Obama's re-election.

Eventually, like all PR campaigns when the funding runs dry, the 99% Spring simply dried up and blew away. It was nothing real, just election year pageantry from a Progressive Movement that as the rich of the Democracy Alliance planned would be a way to breathe some life into the morbid Democratic Party. The 99% Spring showed again that the Progressive Movement primarily exists to stick it to the Republicans, the a mirror image of their think tanks, echo chamber media, and PR fronts that rich Democrats have created or funded.

RIP 99% Spring. It was what we thought it was, all theater, and co-optation, all about getting Van Jones more publicity to promote Obama.

Will any of the paid professional Progressives ever admit so? Not as long as their careers and funding depend upon it; they can't afford to take off their rose-hued glasses.
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Robert Kuttner 'Hard To Believe, But Trump Could Win' and post-Occupy America
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"Identity politics are at odds with class politics."
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 http://portland.indymedia.org/en/2016/09/433181.shtml