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wE CAN FIRE CONGRESS FOR THE SHUTDOWN UNDER AN 1870 LAW

in 1870, a law was passed that permitted congress and the president to be fired for failing to manage the fiscal affairs of the united states. that law is still on the books. it is time for us to use it to pull the plug on these treacherous bastards and force them to do their jobs. we want single-payer health care...maybe not obamacare which was written by the insurance companies and is utter crap...but extended medicare would be nice. we also want everybody including congress that is offshoring their money to begin paying taxes as required. no more privatization. no more wars for profit.
APPEARS THEY SHUT THE BARN DOOR AFTER THE CATTLE GOT OUT LEAVING NOTHING BUT HEAPS OF BULL CHIT!

V.K. Durham, CEO

Durham (Intl. Ltd;) Holding Trust, Tias 12087

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August 4, 1993
FIRST FINANCIAL AUDITS OF IRS
REVEALED SERIOUS PROBLEMS


Testimony
Before the Committee on Governmental Affairs United States Senate

FINANCIAL MANAGEMENT

First Financial Audits of IRS and Customs
Revealed Serious Problems

Statement of Charles A. Bowsher
Comptroller General of the United States document  http://www.theantechamber.net/UsHistDoc/IrsAudit93/Irs8493AuditIndex.html
Records of the Committee on Appropriations, 1867-1968 (391 ft.)

Sen. Henry B. Anthony, RI
Sen. Henry B. Anthony, RI (Mathew Brady Studio), Records of the Office of the Chief Signal Officer (U.S. Army) from NARA's Online Catalog.
3.1 The Committee on Appropriations was created on March 6, 1867, when the Senate agreed to a resolution offered by Henry B. Anthony of Rhode Island that proposed such a committee in order "to divide the onerous labors of the Finance Committee with another...."

3.2 Appropriating Federal funds, in tandem with raising revenue, is one of the basic constitutional responsibilities of the Congress. All bills raising revenue and many appropriation bills originate in the House of Representatives, but the Senate has used its power to amend money bills to initiate its own fiscal programs.

3.3 Appropriation bills for the first 14 Congresses were referred to select committees that expired after they issued reports. Usually a single general appropriation bill for the operation of the Government was passed, although in a few instances appropriations for specific purposes, some even specifying the source of revenue to pay for the appropriation, were approved. In December 1816, 11 standing legislative committees, including the Committee on Finance, were created. The Senate Finance Committee was responsible for reporting both revenue and appropriation bills until the 40th Congress, when the Senate decided--partly because the Civil War brought on $1 billion in expenditures for 1865 and over $100 million in interest on the national debt, and partly for partisan reasons--to assign appropriation bills to the new Committee on Appropriations. The Finance Committee continued to deal with revenue.

3.4 Between 1867 and 1968, the Senate Appropriations Committee's power over expenditures fluctuated. Control of executive agency expenditures was a constant problem for Congress. In 1870, the Anti-Deficiency Act was passed, which provided that agencies could not expend more money than was provided by Congress. While this act is considered to be a legislative landmark, the Attorney General's interpretation of the law nullified much of its intent.

3.5 The committee grew in both size and power until 1899, when the Senate rules were modified to transfer jurisdiction of many appropriation bills to the appropriate legislative committees. Following this rule change, the Appropriations Committee retained control of only deficiency, diplomatic and consular, District of Columbia, fortifications, legislative, and sundry civil appropriation bills.

3.6 Between 1900 and 1921, Congress, and the Appropriations Committee in particular, grappled with such problems as unbalanced budgets and "coercive deficiencies," by which an executive agency spent its funds early in the fiscal year and forced Congress to approve its request for a deficiency appropriation or face the shutdown of the agency. Several attempts to reform the system of Government expenditures led to the passage of the Budget and Accounting Act of 1921, which established the Bureau of the Budget and the General Accounting Office, the latter serving as Congress' auditor, totally independent of the executive branch. The following year, the Senate revised its rules relating to the jurisdiction over appropriation bills by reestablishing the authority of the committee over all such bills. The committee then established subcommittees similar to those of the House Appropriations Committee. source  http://www.archives.gov/legislative/guide/senate/chapter-03.html#1867

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143-year-old law stirs fears during shutdown
By Steve Liesman | CNBC - Tue, Oct 1, 2013 3:34 PM EDT
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Administration officials now live in fear of a 19th-century law that could get them fired, penalized or even imprisoned if they make the wrong choices while the government is shut down.

The law is the Antideficiency Act, passed by Congress in 1870 (and amended several times), which prohibits the government from incurring any monetary obligation for which the Congress has not appropriated funds.

In shutting down the government, most memos cite the law as the reason. The Government Accountability Office says employees who violate the Antideficiency Act may be subject to disciplinary action, suspension and even "fines, imprisonment, or both."

(Read more: Shutdown may start hitting private-sector workers)

CNBC has learned that in several executive branch departments, high-level staff members review individual decisions about what government activities to allow for fear of running afoul of the Antideficiency Act. One White House official said he has advised his employees not to check their email or cellphones. Under the act, even volunteering for government service is expressly prohibited.

In a memo to his department employees today, Treasury Secretary Jack Lew cited the law as the reason for reduced staffing.

"For the duration of this impasse, as required by the Antideficiency Act and directed by OMB, the Department will be required to operate with only the minimal staffing level necessary to execute only certain legally exempted activities," Lew wrote.

(Read more: What the shutdown costs per hour)

The only exemptions to the shutdown concern "emergencies involving the safety of human life or the protection of property," according to government documents. That has meant airports and the Postal Service are open, Social Security checks get paid and federal prisons and courts will operate as normal as do most national security functions including the military and the Central Intelligence Agency. But national parks and museums are closed along with big parts of the departments of Education and Commerce

Congress passed the law as part of a struggle-dating back to the nation's founding-for control over the power of the purse. Some presidents, such as Abraham Lincoln during the Civil War, would incur obligations for which Congress had to appropriate funds after the fact.

(Read more: Obama - GOP shut government over an 'ideological crusade')

What is ironic is that Congress in shutting down the government has to at least to some extent given up the power of the purse to the executive branch. Under the broad guidelines of what constitutes an emergency or threat to life or property, OMB now more or less decides what gets funded and what doesn't. But that latitude is limited by the fear of officials that, sometime after the event, a given decision is found to have been in violation of the Antideficiency Act.

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this is a fund raising exercise for both parties. The DNC is almost broke. The RNC can always use more money. The DNC just got an infusion of over $2M dollars this past weekend because of the shutdown. The RNC over $1M. Some Republican congressmen's constituents expect them to shut the government down over Obamacare. If those congressmen fail to do so, those supports might not show up at the polls next November, or worse, run someone against them in the primary which is more likely what they are afraid of.

Its very easy to believe that everyone who doesn't think like you is insane. Here is a true story. I spoke with a federal judge at a lecture he was giving early this year. He said about his fellow attorneys and judges, "You think everyone believes people should get a fair trial", no, I (he) was surprised to find that's not the case. He said , "You believe everyone should be provided legal assistance?" He said, he was surprised to find that was not the case. His point was people don't always agree on basic things.

The shut down is part of our democratic process. You are able to fire them every two years or if you get enough signatures a recall in most states will do too, if you can find enough like minded people in those districts willing to put the PS4 Grand Theft Auto game controller down long enough to go vote.