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Syria Has Rebels, Assad Has Nerve Gas

Some Portland "left" seems to support every status quo dictator in power.. except of course Obama. The question is, do the Syrian people have a right to rebel against fascist oppression? Do they have a right to accept aid, including food and arms, from countries in the west who have their own vested interest?
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Some Portland "left" seems to support every status quo dictator in power.. and supported Kadafy and Mubarak...except of course we all don't like Obama. The question is, do the Syrian people have a right to rebel against fascist oppression? Do they have a right to accept aid, including food and arms, from countries in the west who have their own vested interests?

If and when the time comes for a certain North American state power to experience a real people's revolt, there may be an east Asian country or two that thinks they can also benefit by toppling the bad guy on the North American block. Or perhaps a South American country may be glad to see a change in power up North.

But do you think the rebels, facing a vast technological war machine of repression, should go at it with sticks and rocks?

The people of Syria will use whatever help they can get. And Assad will use his Russian tanks, blockbuster bombs, and chemical nerve gas.

So if you are an internationalist, and not an America first isolationist with your head in the sand, which side are you on???

NSA 29.Aug.2013 21:03

rAT

More bludgeoning of the truth by the NSA troll brigade. PROVE Assad did it. No one else can. Look at all these "lefties" supporting the claims of baby killing, heart munching mercenaries who can't wait to die and go to Virginville.

War propaganda accelerates 30.Aug.2013 13:15

Theresa Mitchell

The New York Times is now publishing an article titled "US releases detailed intelligence on Syrian chemical attack."
 http://www.nytimes.com/2013/08/31/world/middleeast/syria.html?_r=0

The article, by Jolly, Sayare, and Gladstone, gives a precise number of casualties, citing John Kerry and the Obama Administration; the number is 1,429 dead. " Among the findings, the summary said, was intelligence that Syrian chemical weapons personnel had plotted the attack for three days in advance, partly out of frustration that the use of conventional weapons in Ghouta, one of the Syrian towns hit last week, had failed to dislodge insurgents."

"The intelligence found "activities that we assess were associated with preparations for a chemical weapons attack" in the three days before the weapons were unleashed, the summary said."

This information is intended to support the idea of bombing (at least) Syria, so it is worthwhile to examine it more closely. We are told the attack was plotted three days in advance, so it is appropriate to say who the plotters were, what they said, and how the information was gained. One of the more obnoxious inferences one may take from the Obama Administration's claims is that the NSA's omnipresent telecommunications spying has good result (and therefore should not be questioned). So, if this information is genuine, there is no reason not to provide greater detail: "General So-and-So, on August Third at 3:33 local time, called Colonel Whatzisface and gave the order to load Great Warrior rockets with Halabja Special #6 Gas," or whatever. And since we know that certain supercomputers may aggregate various information including who called whom, show they usually call, what they said, what their favorite cologne selection was via Internet purchasing record, etc., the credibility of this revelation could be greatly enhanced by detail, without actually revealing anything that is not already known about NSA spying. So, again, where are the details?

But when one is lying, it is perhaps best to leave out details that can be proven to be false.

The New York Times has (or, perhpas I should say, once had) an obligation to take the attitude that the Obama Administration, having deployed billions of dollars' worth of equipment and thousands of men at arms around Syria, could be expected to perhaps embroider the truth. But this is the NYT of Judith Miller.

IT GETS WORSE

A reader might expect the details promised in the headline to appear after the fold. On the second page we read:
"France possesses a body of evidence that goes in the sense of the regime's responsibility" for the chemical attacks near Damascus, Mr. Hollande said. The use of chemical weapons there is an "established fact," he said, and "it is known that the opposition possesses none of these weapons."

Again, there is absolutely nothing to corroborate this claim. Why? Manning and Snowden have already done their "damage." The NYT adds this from the Turkish Foreign Minister: "The regime responsibility is undeniable when launching vehicles, angles between launching locations and targeted regions, traces are considered," Mr. Davutoglu said, without further elaborating on the precise origins of such information." Here, at least, this loud silence is called out. That's a treatment for Turks, apparently, not for Mister Kerry.

There is a third page, but it contains no "detailed intelligence." In fact, there is no detailed intelligence whatsoever.


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Rebel tunnels with WAR Gas 30.Aug.2013 20:50

false flag


Syrians In Ghouta Claim Saudi-Supplied Rebels Behind Chemical Attack 31.Aug.2013 13:37

Dale Gavlak and Yahya Ababneh | August 29, 2013

Ghouta, Syria As the machinery for a U.S.-led military intervention in Syria gathers pace following last week's chemical weapons attack, the U.S. and its allies may be targeting the wrong culprit.

Interviews with people in Damascus and Ghouta, a suburb of the Syrian capital, where the humanitarian agency Doctors Without Borders said at least 355 people had died last week from what it believed to be a neurotoxic agent, appear to indicate as much.

The U.S., Britain, and France as well as the Arab League have accused the regime of Syrian President Bashar al-Assad for carrying out the chemical weapons attack, which mainly targeted civilians. U.S. warships are stationed in the Mediterranean Sea to launch military strikes against Syria in punishment for carrying out a massive chemical weapons attack. The U.S. and others are not interested in examining any contrary evidence, with U.S Secretary of State John Kerry saying Monday that Assad's guilt was "a judgment ... already clear to the world."

However, from numerous interviews with doctors, Ghouta residents, rebel fighters and their families, a different picture emerges. Many believe that certain rebels received chemical weapons via the Saudi intelligence chief, Prince Bandar bin Sultan, and were responsible for carrying out the dealing gas attack.

"My son came to me two weeks ago asking what I thought the weapons were that he had been asked to carry," said Abu Abdel-Moneim, the father of a rebel fighting to unseat Assad, who lives in Ghouta.

Abdel-Moneim said his son and 12 other rebels were killed inside of a tunnel used to store weapons provided by a Saudi militant, known as Abu Ayesha, who was leading a fighting battalion. The father described the weapons as having a "tube-like structure" while others were like a "huge gas bottle."

Ghouta townspeople said the rebels were using mosques and private houses to sleep while storing their weapons in tunnels.

Abdel-Moneim said his son and the others died during the chemical weapons attack. That same day, the militant group Jabhat al-Nusra, which is linked to al-Qaida, announced that it would similarly attack civilians in the Assad regime's heartland of Latakia on Syria's western coast, in purported retaliation.

"They didn't tell us what these arms were or how to use them," complained a female fighter named 'K.' "We didn't know they were chemical weapons. We never imagined they were chemical weapons."

"When Saudi Prince Bandar gives such weapons to people, he must give them to those who know how to handle and use them," she warned. She, like other Syrians, do not want to use their full names for fear of retribution.

A well-known rebel leader in Ghouta named 'J' agreed. "Jabhat al-Nusra militants do not cooperate with other rebels, except with fighting on the ground. They do not share secret information. They merely used some ordinary rebels to carry and operate this material," he said.

"We were very curious about these arms. And unfortunately, some of the fighters handled the weapons improperly and set off the explosions," 'J' said.

Doctors who treated the chemical weapons attack victims cautioned interviewers to be careful about asking questions regarding who, exactly, was responsible for the deadly assault.

The humanitarian group Doctors Without Borders added that health workers aiding 3,600 patients also reported experiencing similar symptoms, including frothing at the mouth, respiratory distress, convulsions and blurry vision. The group has not been able to independently verify the information.

More than a dozen rebels interviewed reported that their salaries came from the Saudi government.