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Compare this fire that burned a whole day in Russia with WTC-7

NIST, your investigative skills are needed to look into the massive fire in Grozny, Chechnya that basically destroyed the building as a living space, but left the skyscraper standing tall, even after hours and hours of massive fires.
 http://youtu.be/if1aYY1qQcw

'Racking on' is a fire service term to describe a structure that has a way out of control fire, like the one in the 140 meters tall Chechen skyscraper. The fire started on Wednesday and was not extinguished until Thursday.

That building is nearly as tall as WTC 7, which had a fraction of the Grozny fire, yet WTC 7 somehow managed to fall down into it's own footprint. Good thing 'Lucky Larry' didn't own the Chechen skyscraper or else it would have mysteriously self-destructed.

Amazing, isn't it? No melting steel, no pulverized concrete, no massive pyroclastic clouds of smoke and debris from horizon to horizon.

Contrast the above video with this one of WTC 7.

 http://youtu.be/UndqJTLin9A

For the rest of this article (with links) go to:  http://careandwashingofthebrain.blogspot.com/2013/04/nist-investigate-this.html

9/11: Only Day In Global History, 3 Steel-Frame Skyscrapers Collapse 06.Apr.2013 10:06

due to

" fire "

...

look a burning skyscrapper 06.Apr.2013 10:58

that wont collapse

where is the collapse like we seen on Sept 11

The official story is illogical

This is exactly the point

Those buildings didn't fall due to any fires

You don't need to be a scientist or architect to see the obvious

911 TRUTH 06.Apr.2013 11:13

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--> pictures <-- from the video: BREAKING: Luxury skyscraper fire in Grozny, Chechnya 03 04 2013

If fires softened steel, our steel stoves and furnaces would be useless. 06.Apr.2013 11:42

9/11 Was an Inside Job

If burning kerosene could melt steel, the kerosene stoves used by millions of people throughout the world would suffer meltdowns.

If burning paper, plastic, or furniture could melt steel, the wood stoves used by millions of people throughout the world would suffer meltdowns.

With the air intake and the damper wide open, and with a roaring fire kept going all day and all night, the steel of your woodstove will not soften. I know, because I have done this hundreds of times.

You don't need a degree in Physics or Structural Engineering to know this.

from video 06.Apr.2013 18:05

try this again

3 pics

They're better engineers (not really) 06.Apr.2013 21:35

amazed

What's amazing about some of the public is that they'd even believe something like that (goes to show that our educational system really has some problems) and the propagandists have found in it, because of the lack (maybe?) of experiential knowledge to even have a basis for question, a great way to polarize people. Just think, though, they contributed to the economy sending those monsters down, paying for the clean-up, made a lot of bucks just about immediately recycling the steel and supporting the local waste industry, gave talk radio an endless supply of patriotic bullshit, and created the whole new vocation of jerks trolling the internet dissing every idea that doesn't agree with the myth. I'd bet they even have college level classes for those trolls...While I really do know that some may not have the experiential scope to make their own decisions regarding this as nobody is intelligent about everything, especially me, but sometimes I understand my dog's reaction to something I say to him. You know that look...He kind of cocks his head, wags his tail, but you're sure he hasn't a clue.

Conspiracy? Hell, yeah. Maybe not as some imagine it, or how some portray it, but there surely is a conspiracy to duck an honest inquiry and honest explanations. Christ, they even admit as much when the 'classify' things or redact anything but a single individual's name from a report or a log of events. Do I have to prove it to dumb shits, especially those who are so educated that they make disdain part of their job description? Hell, no. What needs to be proved is why they didn't stand up. I don't have to prove why they fell. What has to be proved is why we ended up beating on Afghanis for what happened rather than making heads roll in Washington, the Pentagon, the CIA, and the FBI. It was their mistakes that led to this, not mine. Absolutly little but innocent people's actions within the event smells good at all, and I've got nasal problems so bad that I can barely smell shit.

Corporate Mafias rule by controlling governments, media, and education 07.Apr.2013 04:07

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"Groupthink" is a strong human trait and social phenomenon. Look at the "concensus" notion of Anthropogenic Global Warming. The propagandists insist there is a "consensus" among scientists, even if most of those scientists aren't climatologists and don't know squat about climatology. Meanwhile top climatologists like George Kukla, who said AGW is bunk, got shouted and censored into oblivion. You can't publish if you're censored.

What rules modern society are Corporate Mafias that control Governments, the media, and the educational system by buying the services of all the key players.

I Was a Paid Internet Shill, By Ex-Shill 07.Apr.2013 04:16

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I Was a Paid Internet Shill
By Ex-Shill

 http://www.thetruthseeker.co.uk/?p=64853

RE: "concensus" [sic] notion of Anthropogenic Global Warming 07.Apr.2013 13:36

no equivalence

 http://portland.indymedia.org/en/2013/04/422619.shtml#411692

You morons who think there's some sort of 'parallel' between the global scientifically-documented-over-decades phenomenon of climate change and anthropegenic-gas-emission-generated warming of Earth's atmosphere,

and the engineering-specific events of one day in NYC which was eminently lied about by a select paid-off-and-insider cadre of the engineering community and mass media,

had better get a new hobby. or at the least, for your own sake and ours, learn basic reading comprehension/get an education.

What you Delingpole-worshiping clowns need to do, is concentrate on your pet issue of ("government / World Elite control") carbon tax -- which even James Hansen agrees with you, is a total scam -- and quit trying to prove the globe is flat.

you have 0% chance of 'changing scientific "concensus" [sic]' by a bunch of activism, and A MINISCULE PERCENTAGE lame-ass Denier scientists who are as far away from active atmospheric science work and research as the Sun is from Neptune.

Scentific consensus, and transformation of scientific hypotheses, occurs on its own: by ongoing scientific inquiry and research itself, reviewed by peers and at conferences. It is not like engineering, which is driven by warfare, and satisfaction of government and legal regulations i.e. making-constructing things to standards so you don't get sued; just remember that keeping humans safe' is, by far, SECONDARY to the primary consequence of satisfying gov't and the lawyers. (or in the case of a rare exception such as the early days of space exploration, driven by the Cold War)

Get a big enough (bowel) "movement" of those Denier-clown-scientists to accumulate data and studies so that they can prove -- ON A GLOBAL SCALE, IN DIVERSE LOCALITIES OF THE EARTH SURFACE -- that global warming 'is not occurring, and then present that at a few international scientific conferences, and __have it be embraced__ ? Good luck.

you're far better off just libertarian-style (which is all you Denier contrarians really care about anyway) fighting the 'evil' Carbon Tax which "must be defeated at all costs" LOL!

( and even if you concentrate on 'carbon tax', that 'carbon tax' or its permutations are most definitely NOT, and has-no-capability-to-be so, what's "causing" or threatening the global economic collapse / meltdown which is in process right now... starting with the banksters and going from there, there's SOooooo-ooo much else to get yr panties in a bunch about: economic-collapse-wise, fascism-mind control-wise and 'global control'-wise.... )


***** READ THE PORTLAND INDYMEDIA COMMENT LINK ( 422619.shtml#411692 ), PROVIDED ABOVE/BELOW *****


Both 9/11 Attacks and Anthropogenic Global Warming are Based on Lies 08.Apr.2013 09:54

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Both the 9/11 attacks and Anthropogenic Global Warming have been "eminently lied about by a select paid-off-and-insider cadre of the engineering community and mass media."

Global Warming Hits Britain Hard; coldest April day for at least 20 years 08.Apr.2013 11:18

Global Warming Deep Freeze

Britain shivers in coldest April day for 20 years
It is normally a time for spring to be in full bloom, but much of the country shivered through the coldest April day for at least 20 years.
04 Apr 2013

April chill to last for two more weeks
Spring could still be some way off, with temperatures remaining lower than normal for another fortnight, forecasters have warned.
05 Apr 2013

Last snowfall expected as cold weather lingers
Britain should brace itself for one last week of snow and cold weather before temperatures fully recover in mid-April, forecasters say.
07 Apr 2013

Potatoes in short supply as big freeze hits crops
The price of potatoes has risen by half, and more French varieties will go on sale in Britain after the big freeze hit harvests.
07 Apr 2013

 http://www.telegraph.co.uk/topics/weather/

Engineers promoting Global Warming? Yeah, like the IPCC Head Pauchari. 08.Apr.2013 16:36

Citizen z

Engineers promoting Global Warming? Yeah, like the IPCC Head Rajendra Pauchari, who's trying to railroad the world into a paranoid delusion. The UN couldn't persuade or purchase a real scientist to take the job of IPCC Cheif.

"He [Pauchari] began his career with the Indian Railways at the Diesel Locomotive Works in Varanasi. Pachauri was awarded an MS degree in Industrial Engineering from North Carolina State University, Raleigh, in 1972, as well as a joint Ph.D. in Industrial Engineering and Economics in 1974. He lives in Golf Links, New Delhi." [Playing golf is the favorite hobby of environmentalists everywhere.]  http://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Rajendra_K._Pachauri&printable=yes

No apology from IPCC chief Rajendra Pachauri for glacier fallacy
Head of UN climate change body 'not at fault' for false claim Himalayan glaciers would melt by 2035.
• Climate emails between scientists reveal flaws in peer review
• Controversy behind climate science's 'hockey stick' graph
www.guardian.co.uk/.../2010/.../climate-change-pachauri-un-glaciers

Pachauri Takes WWF Money
 http://nofrakkingconsensus.com/2013/02/04/pachauri-takes-wwf-money/

As the Consensus Among Scientists Crumbles, Global Warming Alarmists Attack Their Integrity
"Global warming alarmists are attacking the integrity of scientists, desperately seeking to minimize the damage presented by a recent survey of geoscientists and engineers regarding global warming.
A recent survey of more than 1,000 geoscientists (commonly known as earth scientists) and engineers reported in the peer-reviewed Organization Studies found that only 36 percent agree with the United Nations Intergovernmental Panel on Climate Change assertion that humans are causing a serious global warming problem. By contrast, a majority of scientists in the survey believe that nature is the primary cause of recent global warming and/or that future global warming will not be a very serious problem."
 link to www.forbes.com

" nature is the primary cause of recent global warming " 08.Apr.2013 18:38

Therefore IT EXISTS

" and/or that future global warming will not be a very serious problem."

As an Earth scientist myself, I happen to agree with this ^above-quoted statement... i.e. global climate change will not be a "very" serious problem.

But -

I still think, based on the evidence, it is indeed a serious problem. And is/will be so, in the near future.

( But it's not a big enough problem, in my view, and given the other human-centric / anthropogenic problems we have in today's civilization and politics inherently, to warrant such attention by the Deniers; *** who are FAR MORE obsessed with the actual topic of global warming/climate change itself, THAN EVEN THOSE PERSONS WHO RIGHTLY DO CONSIDER AND UNDERSTAND/COMPREHEND IT TO BE A REAL PHYSICAL THREAT to human existence on Earth *** .

You AGW Denier clowns are TOTALLY outdoing yrselves!! )


Yet we get back to the basic point of this (so-called) 'debate': Even serious geoscientists and atmospheric scientists who might have 'doubts' about the IPCC and other organizations emphasizing the "most dire" scenarios of climate change, and/or the precise degree to which it does in fact originate from specific anthropogenic causes / activities,

IT REMAINS A REAL PROBLEM.


So going around like know-it-alls, being a DENIER is going to do you -- the active denier -- absolutely NO good and will more hinder than help any goals (of 'awareness', 'truth', whatever) you might have.

Deny scientific consensus all you want. It'll get you nowhere. (Same way as it has for e.g. Creationism)

Whack away at the "Stop Carbon Tax!" meme. That's fine. Even (your oh-so-hated) Hanson agrees with you there; and most real environmentalists also, who know and understand that the carbon tax/ carbon trading was always a scam from the outset.

but outright Denial of the voluminous scientific proof and fact(s) that Earth climate change and warming is actually happening? Good luck - and what a waste of (mental-collective) energy such a doomed endeavor is.







BTW, an Addendum on the 9/11 - AGW supposed 'equivalence of lies' :

More than three-fourths of GOP representatives in U.S. Congress explicitly deny or claim "not to agree" with the multinational scientific consensus on global climate change.

But not nearly that many GOP (or, __any___ political party's) representatives in U.S. Congress have doubts about the official story of what occurred on September 11 2001.

In fact, in the subsequent posts below I'd like you to provide a count of how many U.S. Congressional Representatives have expressed doubts (post-9/11 Commission, which was an inconclusive whitewash anyway) about the official account of 9/11.




( hint: it's a short list. Far shorter than the Global Warming Denier representatives in your Congress. )

" WWF Money " 08.Apr.2013 19:23

Hulk Hogan

so the World Wildlife Fund has greater/more powerful financial AND POLITICAL-ELITE clout than Exxon and Koch Industries ?

who'd a thunk it (except of course a mouth-breathing, Creationism-believing Denier)


Seek out where your "doubtful" scientists are funded from:

 http://www.ritholtz.com/blog/2011/10/a-map-of-organized-climate-change-denial/

 http://www.time.com/time/health/article/0,8599,2096055,00.html

 http://www.sourcewatch.org/index.php?title=Portal:Climate_Change

 link to www.sourcewatch.org

 http://www.sourcewatch.org/index.php?title=Oregon_Institute_of_Science_and_Medicine


" coldest April day for at least 20 years " 08.Apr.2013 21:10

Weather IS NOT Climate

To the dude who likes to follow Telegraph.co.uk and get all hissy about (oh my) 'unseasonably' cold weather in April,

Newsflash HEYY-OOOH, "Deep Freeze" :

_ _*_*_*_*_ _


Weather

IS NOT

Climate.

_ _ _ _ _ _ _
* * * *


(and furthermore, 'unseasonably' cold weather at 'odd' times of the year is more a reflection of change in global climate patterns.... than it is, the onset of some imagined-conspired-paranoid neo-'ice age' ..... )


What's the Difference Between Weather and Climate?
 http://www.nasa.gov/mission_pages/noaa-n/climate/climate_weather.html

Once more, with feeling: 'Weather' is NOT 'climate'
 link to thesciencebit.net


Climate Denial Crock of the Week
 http://climatecrocks.com/

Why Conservative White Males Are More Likely to Deny Climate Change
 link to www.scientificamerican.com

 link to www.theglobeandmail.com


Recent freeze in Britain is not climate. Episodic warming is also not climate. 09.Apr.2013 09:06

Climate Researcher

The commenter "Global Warming Deep Freeze" did not say, or imply, that "weather" is "climate".

The current frigid weather in Britain is not "climate", and, by the same reasoning, neither are any of the warm weather episodes of the past Century. The global warming trend that started in the 1970s ended in 1998.

Climate pertains to long-term trends, such as the Little Ice Age (from 1600 to 1800 CE), which was much colder than today, and the Holocene Climatic Optimum (from 10,000 to 5,000 years ago), when global temperatures were as much a 4 degrees Celsius warmer than today.

The global temperature has risen since the end of the Little Ice Age, but the role of CO2 in forcing that warming is not at all proved - it's highly speculative.

The Vostok and EPICA ice cores show that global temperatures often peak near the close of a warm Interglacial. The Vostok and EPICA ice cores also show that the earth should now be near the end of the present Interglacial.

The global warming of the Holocene Climatic Optimum was a great boon to the development of human civilization throughout the world, and an increase of several degrees in the global mean temperature should again be a boon to human civilization - not a catastrophe.

"Global Warming Deep Freeze" did not say, or imply, that "weather" is "climate". 09.Apr.2013 13:02

HE MOST CERTAINLY DID.

GWDF Wrote:
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Global Warming Hits Britain Hard; coldest April day for at least 20 years
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AND THEN Linked To Telegraph.co.uk's WEATHER Page

Global Warming DOES NOT EQUAL / IS NOT EVEN CLOSE TO "Weather"

implied, ironic, or otherwise



Climate Researcher ( ROFL !! ) Wrote:
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an increase of several degrees in the global mean temperature should again be a boon to human civilization - not a catastrophe.
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( [QUOTE] "again be a boon" ???!???? WTMFF ?? )
Uh, no. Which just shows how ignorant even of basic scientific method (not to mention awareness) you are.

Time for mommy to change yer diapers, and up the meds. Remember to stay FAR away from the internetz and/or computer keyboards.

Amazing 10.Apr.2013 07:52

Shaker

Now, just how did this discussion get to global warming?

Was it steered that way over a simple comment with an example about groupthink?

Ask yourself that, and you just might have a reason to understand why answers can't be gotten concerning some hijackings and buildings falling.

Warm weather incidents are weather, not climate. 10.Apr.2013 08:23

Climate Researcher

The recent freeze in Britain is weather, not climate, and the warm weather incidents reported by Global Warming alarmists are likewise weather, not climate.

It's all fear-mongering propaganda for social engineering. 10.Apr.2013 21:08

What, Me Worry?

Note also that the Global Warming Jeremiah uses multiple lines and spaces for a single sentence, and multiple spaces between sentences, taking up more space than their post requires. Like the way a bear stands up to look bigger.

9/11 and the other false flags (London 7/7, Bali, Madrid, African Embassies, Cole, Mumbai 2008, Berlin Disco, etceteras) are part of a package of fear-provoking events perpetrated by the US Government and its allies to stoke the propaganda agenda of the US-manufactured Clash of Civilizations and the bogus War on Terrorism. The US Government's goal is to promote US wars of aggression and also domestic fear and social engineering.

From Red Scare to Yellow Peril to Arab Threat to CO2 Apocalypse, it's all fear-mongering propaganda for social engineering. Dissent from the US Government's narrative of "Terrorism" or CO2 will get you censored, blackballed, or fired from the media, Academia, government, or corporate workplace.

" CO2 Apocalypse " ???? "Jeremiah" ????? 11.Apr.2013 02:18

wtf

Isn't there something more productive to do with your time,





















Than worry about whether (no pun intended) Al Gore has "brainwashed" people into thinking that anthropogenic-industrial emissions







ARE






BAD





FOR







EARTH'S







ATMOSPHERE ?





(who gives a ***k about what/when the "warming" occurs)


Burning of coal (on a large scale) is bad for the atmosphere. As is

WHO THE HELL CARES WHETHER OR NOT "warming" or "climate change" is occurring?

Aren't the _other_ proven ill effects of mass fossil fuel burning, QUITE ENOUGH to be working on the scientific and engineering aspects of non-fossil-fuel energy sources, even more imperative?


Isn't all you Libertarian / contrarian / Limbaughtomy tinfoil wackos really care about,

the Carbon Tax?


fine concentrate on stopping the "Evil" Carbon Tax. Because you believe it will "bring a halt" to the global economy.


Go ahead and try to reverse Roe v. Wade while you're at it. Get rid of teaching Evolution in schools. (Or whatever else your little "I'm not gonna toe the line" brains have gotten you into a pickle about)



BUT PLEASE STOP TRYING TO DENY SCIENTIFIC CONSENSUS.

If you want to really challenge scientific consensus, you'll have to (become actual/credentialed atmospheric scientists and) attend scientific conferences armed with scientific data to PROVE your points....... it won't be through "Denier Activism" or attempting to coerce political channels, because --


UNLIKE SEPTEMBER 11 2001, "global warming" and anthropogenic Earth climate change IS NOT a __political__ event.



What, Me Worry? wrote:
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"Dissent from the US Government's narrative of "Terrorism" or CO2"
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"US Government's narrative"??????? There is GLOBAL science-based (not "government" based) consensus on the phenomenon of climate change and atmospheric warming.

there is no "scientific" or engineering consensus on 3 steel frame skyscrapers which collapsed due to fire on September 11 2001 -- for the first and only time in engineering and human history.

There was a consensus though -- within hours after the event -- about "who was responsible" for the attacks/building collapses, and within a week or two key engineering professionals had been recruited to "simply explain" via corporate media channels how these inexplicable building collapses in NYC had occurred.

while leaving all the other myriad anomalies and unanswered questions of that day's events, largely unanswered (as they all remain to this day in 2013)



p.s. "Fearmongering" is of course not exclusive to the U.S. government or 9/11 terrorists.

It's also the purview of Denier clowns who persist in the "CARBON TAX WILL ASSASSINATE YOU PERSONALLY!!!!!"

and "GLOBAL WARMING IS A LIE TO MICROCHIP YOUR LIFE, AND HALT THE GLOBAL ECONOMY!!!!"

"BLACK HELICOPTERS PILOTED BY AL GORE ON THE WAY SOON!!!!"



meanwhile DHS, USA Patriot and all manner of U.S. government _real_ oppression marches on because, you clowns discredit the 9/11 truth movement BY SIMULTANEOUSLY ADHERING TO RIDICULOUS AND INEFFECTUAL DENIAL of global (no, not just "NASA" or "US government") scientific consensus -- Which country didn't / won't sign Kyoto, again? Oh yeah ..... that country which allegedly keeps trying to "force all that carbon tax down everyone-on-the-globe's throats" ....... yet they won't sign Kyoto ...... hmmmmmm .....................................

Scientific Data Now Indicates Global Cooling, Not Warming. 11.Apr.2013 07:36

Climate Researcher

NASA Warns Earth May Be Entering a Period of "Global Cooling"
NASA: We May Be On the Verge of a "Mini-Maunder" Event.
By Washington's Blog
Global Research, January 13, 2013
In-depth Report: Climate Change
All climate scientists agree that the sun affects Earth's climate to some extent. They only disagree about whether or not the effect form the sun is minor compared to man-made causes.

We noted in 2011: This week, scientists from the US Solar Observatory and the US Air Force Research Laboratory have discovered - to their great surprise - that the sun's activity is declining, and that we might experience the lowest solar output we've seen since 1645-1715. The Register describes it in dramatic tones:

What may be the science story of the century is breaking this evening.

Scientists who are convinced that global warming is a serious threat to our planet say that such a reduced solar output would simply buy us more time ... delaying the warming trend, but not stopping or reversing it.

On the other hand, scientists who are skeptical about global warming say that the threat is a new mini ice age. (Remember that scientists have been convinced in the past that we would have a new ice age, and even considered pouring soot over the arctic in the 1970s to help melt the ice - in order to prevent another ice age. Obama's top science advisor was one of those warning of a new ice age in the 1970s. And see this.)

NASA reports this week that we may be on the verge of another Maunder Minimum (a period with an unusually low number of sunspots, leading to colder temperatures)
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Sorry Global Warming Alarmists, The Earth Is Cooling
By Peter Ferrara, Contributor to Forbes.com
Feb 3, 2013
- Climate change itself is already in the process of definitively rebutting climate alarmists who think human use of fossil fuels is causing ultimately catastrophic global warming. That is because natural climate cycles have already turned from warming to cooling, global temperatures have already been declining for more than 10 years, and global temperatures will continue to decline for another two decades or more.

Central to these natural cycles is the Pacific Decadal Oscillation (PDO).

"Every 25 to 30 years the oceans undergo a natural cycle (the PDO) where the colder water below churns to replace the warmer water at the surface, and that affects global temperatures."

Don Easterbrook, Professor Emeritus of Geology at Western Washington University, publicly predicted in 2000 that global temperatures would decline by 2010. He made that prediction because he knew the PDO had turned cold in 1999, something the political scientists at the UN's IPCC did not know or did not think significant.

See entire much more comprehensive article:
 link to www.forbes.com
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Tree ring studies confirm global COOLING, cast doubt on AB 32
Jan. 31, 2013
By Chriss Street

Global cooling? New studies of tree rings show that it's happening.

Yet California remains governed by AB 32, whose official title is the "Global Warming Solutions Act of 2006." It's seven years later. Gov. Arnold Schwarzenegger, who signed AB 32 into law, is long gone. And the environmental movement, sensing that "global warming" wasn't selling any longer, now calls bad weather "climate change," as President Obama did in his Inaugural Address.

The prestigious Nature Journal recently published a major climate change study, "Orbital Forcing Of Tree-Ring Data." It provided a thorough analysis of more than 2000 years of tree-ring evidence that showed current climate models substantially underestimated ancient Northern Europe temperatures levels during the Roman and Medieval Periods.

That temperatures have trended downward for the last two centuries debunks theories that anthropogenic (man-made) global warming is caused by a rising CO2 gas levels associated with industrial burning of "fossil fuels." The main part of AB 32 mandates the reduction by 25 percent of California greenhouse gases by 2020.
 link to www.calwatchdog.com
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Ocean-Heat-Content-Based Model By German Scientists Shows ...
Jan 9, 2013 ... A Look At Global Mean Temperatures in 2013: Cooling Ahead! By Fritz Vahrenholt, Frank Bosse (Translated with permission by P Gosselin) ...
notrickszone.com
notrickszone.com/2013/.../ocean-heat-content-based-model-by-german- scientists-shows-continued-global-cooling/

RE: US Gov't, It'd Be Nice If Congress' Deniers Would Apply Same To 9/11 11.Apr.2013 09:34

Once More, With Feeling

A few commenters ^^above have emphasized "US Government brainwashing" and a perceived agenda that the 'US Government' is [QUOTE] "fear-mongering propaganda for social engineering".

for illustration, here is one comment by 'What, Me Worry?' [QUOTE]:
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"Dissent from the US Government's narrative of [] CO2 will get you censored, blackballed, or fired from the media, Academia, government, or corporate workplace."
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U.S. Government has a CO2 "narrative" ?

Well, that is ABSOLUTELY NOT the case for more than half of all GOP representatives in the U.S. Congress.


( whether or not one thinks this is some sort of 'reflection' / how much it actually reflects on the constituents whom these GOP congresspersons ostensibly represent, is another topic entirely ....
We're only concerned here with the fact of huge proportions of the U.S. Congress people in seats of legislative power, believing that global warming "doesn't exist"; and direct governmental, and real-world, consequences thereof. )


And last time we checked, these GOP deniers have not been "censored", "blackballed", or "fired".... in fact they're still in their seats, rollin' in the cash (from corporate/bankster donors) and being liberally (pardon the pun) lavished with corporate media attention.

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 http://thinkprogress.org/climate-zombie-caucus/

The Climate Zombie Caucus Of The 112th Congress

Well over half (56 percent) of the incoming Republican caucus are climate zombies. Thirty-five of the 47 (74 percent) Republicans in the U.S. Senate next year publicly question the science of global warming. Of the 242 Republicans elected to the House of Representatives, 128 (53 percent) publicly question the science.
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 link to thinkprogress.org

Attack of the climate zombies!
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 link to grist.org

Stupid goes viral: The Climate Zombies of the new GOP
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If only all of these right wing/libertarian (whatever-however-whoever; they're largely rightists) PERSONS IN SEATS OF GOVERNMENT POWER would generously apply their Healthy Skepticism to the events of September 11, 2001.



But alas....

Belief in CO2-caused Global Warming is a requirement for leftists? 11.Apr.2013 19:02

FU

I'm a socialist, but you insist that I'm a "rightist" simply because I don't believe in the CO2-caused Global Warming theory.

Since when did a belief in CO2-caused Global Warming become an absolute requirement for being a "leftist"?

Belief in CO2-caused Global Warming is a requirement for leftists? Bullshit.

who the ***K said "Belief" until YOU Did? 11.Apr.2013 20:48

Once More, With Feeling

FU wrote [QUOTE]:
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"but you insist that I'm a "rightist" simply because I don't believe in the CO2-caused Global Warming theory.
"
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I have no idea who you are, and care less.

I never stated that __anyone__ (?) in particular was of any political orientation (that only came up when **YOU** stated [QUOTE]: "I'm a socialist")

I never [your word] "insisted" that anyone was a "rightist" ( however, there is documented proof, linked/presented above, that right-wing i.e. GOP members of U.S. Congress appear far more likely to be doubtful of the scientific fact of global climate change..... at least, for now ....... )

I never [your word] "insisted" that anyone was ANYTHING AT ALL. All I've done is presented facts and documented evidence/proof (see above).

I don't give a shit about left, right or anything else. I care FAR LESS about all the ideological/theoretical-political posturing-masturbation that goes on around PDX IMC and most other places on the Internet.


FU wrote [QUOTE]:
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" Since when did a belief in CO2-caused Global Warming become an absolute requirement for being a "leftist"? "
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How about, NEVER ?

(how about, maybe just possibly and perhaps there might ??? be a right winger / GOP voter somewhere in the U.S. who "believes" in what you have termed [QUOTE] "CO2-caused Global Warming" ??)

How about also: I personally don't and never will GIVE A SHIT whether anyone "believes" in the SCIENTIFIC FACT of global warming and anthropogenic climate change?

How about, furthermore: There's still (today in 2013) a Flat Earth Society?

How about, too: Creationism ?

How about: The notion that somehow belief in GW was an "absolute requirement" for "leftists" ***WAS ENTIRELY YOUR OWN*** (strawman)?

I do NOT F**KING CARE what people think 'politically', regarding SCIENTIFIC FACT. Never have, never will.


The point you don't seem to be comprehending:

Skepticism about GW **among sitting members of U.S. government** , doesn't correlate AT ALL with U.S. government officials' skepticism about the events of 9/11.

(yet again) illustrated by ^^ 'What, Me Worry?' [QUOTE]:
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"Dissent from the US Government's narrative of [] CO2 will get you censored, blackballed, or fired from the media, Academia, government, or corporate workplace."
-----


=====> Both 9/11, and anthropogenic global warming have been clearly touted / characterized by many on this thread as 'similar' in the manner expressed above.


But the Republican Party members of Congress, do not translate their apparent extreme doubt about GW into a 'similar' doubt about 9/11.... The official narrative of which, they adhere to just as strongly as any other U.S. government 'War on Terror' advocate.

(where are _any_ U.S. government sitting officials -- still in office/with their jobs -- who _do_ ? question 9/11 at all... no matter their political leaning or party affiliation ??)


What I am saying here is -- from a 'political' point of view (as you know from above, I don't give a shit what people think 'politically' about SCIENTIFIC FACT) -- YOUR 'political' 'opinion' ABOUT THE SCIENTIFIC FACT OF GLOBAL WARMING WILL NEVER, EVER MATTER.


Want to make GW "not a scientific fact" ? Prove it "wrong" ? Become a scientist, produce your own research, present it at atmospheric sciences and earth science conferences.

Must be done globally: because the scientific discipline, within atmospheric sciences more generally/broadly, of climate change and global warming study is __worldwide__ (i.e. not just limited to the U.S. government) in scope.


Otherwise:


S T F U

.

YES YOU DID: 12.Apr.2013 08:10

.

I never stated that __anyone__ (?) in particular was of any political orientation (that only came up when **YOU** stated [QUOTE]: "I'm a socialist")

I never [your word] "insisted" that anyone was a "rightist"

YES YOU DID:

so the World Wildlife Fund has greater/more powerful financial AND POLITICAL-ELITE clout than Exxon and Koch Industries ?

Why Conservative White Males Are More Likely to Deny Climate Change

Isn't all you Libertarian / contrarian / Limbaughtomy tinfoil wackos really care about, the Carbon Tax? fine concentrate on stopping the "Evil" Carbon Tax. Because you believe it will "bring a halt" to the global economy.

Go ahead and try to reverse Roe v. Wade while you're at it. Get rid of teaching Evolution in schools. (Or whatever else your little "I'm not gonna toe the line" brains have gotten you into a pickle about)

Well over half (56 percent) of the incoming Republican caucus are climate zombies. Thirty-five of the 47 (74 percent) Republicans in the U.S. Senate next year publicly question the science of global warming. Of the 242 Republicans elected to the House of Representatives, 128 (53 percent) publicly question the science.

all of these right wing/libertarian (whatever-however-whoever; they're largely rightists)

Extremist Leftists who tolerate no dissent 12.Apr.2013 09:12

Roger Nunez

I always thought that I was a leftist, but whenever I hear leftists saying that "anyone who criticizes Obama is racist" or that "anyone who questions Global Warming is a right-wing fascist", I want to distance myself from those leftist extremists as much as possible.

Cognitive Dissonance RE: "YES YOU DID", 9/11 + GW 12.Apr.2013 14:08

Once More, With Feeling

First off, read this -

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GOP meteorologist: Acknowledging Climate Change Doesn't Make You A Liberal&#8207;

 http://www.shawnotto.com/neorenaissance/blog20120329.html

 link to thinkprogress.org
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Now we can all pretty much agree, that denial of global warming / climate change SCIENTIFIC FACT is largely predominant among those of a right wing and/or libertarian persuasion.

Stated another way: denial of climate science conclusions on anthropogenic climate change is surely *NOT* nearly as common among persons of left wing persuasion or views.


of course, adherence to _any sort_ of 'status quo' on _any_ given topic, is not at all limited to political persuasion/leaning or political party voting/membership, but.......


Are you trying to assert that Republican Party representatives in congress (well over half of whom publicly question climate science), are _NOT_ in fact 'rightists' or right-leaning in their overall political agendas and views?

whatever-however-whoever; they're [i.e. these GOP congressional representatives] largely rightists. Are they not?


Please do go ahead and provide evidence to the contrary/otherwise, if this is incorrect. (I had already said as much, on previous posting of the ^evidence - go back and read my comment.)




But we're still left with a huge amount of sitting GOP congressional representatives,

who openly neglect to apply their GW Skepticism to the events of September 11, 2001.

(and by extension, all the -- largely -- right wing-leaning bloggers / skeptics / 'regular people' / citizens who subscribe to GW Denial, read the same blogs - web sites as surely many of their GOP Reps in Congress do and quote from, etc.)


some major Cognitive Dissonance among the right wing, then on the one hand over:

1) Global Warming denial (greater than 50% among GOP members of Congress - they've taken a strong stance/drawn a line)

and


2) Not EVEN CLOSE TO the same corresponding amount of skepticism publicly manifested in the U.S. Government GOP Representatives (or frankly, ANY party's reps) about events of September 11, 2001.



Anyone who might have an explanation for this Cognitive Dissonance (with regard to the GOP/right wing in particular), please feel free to do so.

uh sure they were 12.Apr.2013 15:24

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from comment  http://portland.indymedia.org/en/2013/04/422686.shtml#411890
"Both the 9/11 attacks and Anthropogenic Global Warming have been "eminently lied about by a select paid-off-and-insider cadre of the engineering community and mass media."

nice try but it's time to give it a rest. you're past your sell buy date lol exposed:

 http://portland.indymedia.org/en/2013/04/422707.shtml?discuss#412254

entire truth movement front for larouche cult 11.Apr.2013 11:54
fyi link

so garth's not far off  http://911truthdramatica.blogspot.com/2010/03/larouche-cult-origins-of-911-truth.html

 http://list.pacificgreens.org/pipermail/pgp-discuss/2007-July/009204.html

From: John A. Murphy [mailto:johnamurphy at comcast.net]
Sent: Friday, July 06, 2007 11:05 AM
To: Steve Geiger; pgp-discuss at list.pacificgreens.org
Subject: Re: [discuss] Unite in Action for 9/11 Truth



Hi Steve,



You do of course realize that this so-called 9/11 truth business is
nothing more than a LaRouche-Tarpley invented red herring to draw
otherwise well intended antiwar activists away from the pressing issue
of the day -- ending the wars in Afghanistan and Iraq.



want to see a good video? try luke's change:  http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2dvv-Yib1Xg
lol

Exposing the false-flag 9/11 attacks strips away the excuse for the wars 12.Apr.2013 19:43

Paracelsus.

"You do of course realize that this so-called 9/11 truth business is
nothing more than a LaRouche-Tarpley invented red herring to draw
otherwise well intended antiwar activists away from the pressing issue
of the day -- ending the wars in Afghanistan and Iraq."

Bullshit. The false-flag 9/11 attacks served as the excuse for the wars in Afghanistan and Iraq. Exposing the false-flag 9/11 attacks strips away the excuse for the wars in Afghanistan and Iraq.

further to ^ "uh sure they were" 13.Apr.2013 00:23

Once More, With Feeling

as Paracelsus clearly pointed out, the 9/11 (and anthrax) false flags were casus belli and fearmongering the U.S. public for passage of USA Patriot, and part of a coordinated effort with corporate mass media to bring about Afghanistan and Iraq illegal invasions and military occupations; which are still ongoing as we speak today btw (dozens of new U.S. bases/installations in those countries as well).

Also amusing to see such concocted, unsubstantiated 'logic' and false premise on the part of those who under-informedly suggest that '9/11 truth' (an ill-defined moniker for a 'movement' that itself has no political/activist parallel or quantifiable-clear dimension) -- alleged conspiratorially of course -- is somehow?? sourced from discrete individuals (named above as, QUOTE) "LaRouche-Tarpley"....

when in fact, had one been closely following the events of/surrounding September 11, 2001 from that very day as this writer and perhaps others on this thread indeed did, one would understand that myriad unexplained and completely illogical/nonsensical things existed about that day's events from the beginning... and would only grow more glaring with the U.S. government's subsequent 'explanations'.

i.e. before there ever was a 'movement' (given a 'name' of '9/11 truth') there were, each of us.

These words are John's point 13.Apr.2013 02:43

lol

"a LaRouche-Tarpley invented red herring to draw
otherwise well intended antiwar activists away from the pressing issue
of the day -- ending the wars in Afghanistan and Iraq."

So yeah, some people saw something didn't add up...hello Michael Moore did..there was a movie..., and the cultists used it as a recruitment tool, after adding extra doses of "Jews did it" tinfoil of course.

These right cult clowns have been doing this for years. Y2K? Alex Jones hijacks a valid techy concern and exploits it for fear mongering. OWS? Larouche and the Paultards were all over it. They didn't invent it, but they sure as fuck tried to exploit it. The 9/11 attacks? Was like christmas to the far right. They're still milking that:NWO POLICE STATE JEWS FEMA etc IRAN INVADED ANY DAY WEEK MONTH NOW etc

Of course all of you were too smart to fall for it...oh wait.

hmmm...had a buddy who used to hang around the crazies 13.Apr.2013 02:47

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"when in fact, had one been closely following the events of/surrounding September 11, 2001 from that very day as this writer and perhaps others on this thread indeed did,"

He says "truthers" didn't start saying stuff like this until late 2007. Like the cultists copied it from somewhere and spread it like a virus. Before then they were always praising Alex Jones or Loose Change for "waking them up". So yeah, sound like another bullshit story...

US Major General Albert Stubblebine exposes 9/11 as an Inside Job 13.Apr.2013 07:14

Mark Twain

High Ranking US Major General Albert Stubblebine Exposes September 11 as an Inside Job that was perpetrated by the US Government. See Youtube video interview (20 minutes):

 http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=W0xzsbSbVUE

See also Youtube video (30 minutes): Dr. Robert Bowman Lt. Col. (USAF Retired) - 9/11 Revealing The Truth

 http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=onOPgQ0EjVY

Some commenters are here to attack 9/11 Truthers and defend the US Government's false narrative of the 9/11 Attacks and the bogus War on Terrorism.

9/11 Truthers are a polyglot group representing a wide variety of backgrounds and viewpoints, who all agree on the fact that the US Government's official version is a false narrative that conceals US Government perpetration of the 9/11 attacks.

The attackers of the 9/11 Truthers set up straw-man representatives of 9/11 Truth (such as LaRouche or Tarpley) and attack them, while ignoring the myriad flaws in the US Government narrative, and the unimpeachable credentials of 9/11 Truthers like Major General Albert Stubblebine, Richard Gage, David Ray Griffith, and Dr. Robert Bowman (Lt. Col. USAF).

"This [9/11] was not incompetence; it was Treason." - Dr. Robert Bowman (Lt. Col. USAF Retired).

" He says "truthers" didn't start saying stuff like this until late 2007. " 13.Apr.2013 10:53

Once More, With Feeling

Why that's mighty Orwellian of you.

I don't need a bunch of paid shills coming on here telling me what I actually do know and remember, vs. what " He says "truthers" " supposedly said.

LOL.

Funniest part of your post (far funnier even than your supposed accusations against those you seek to discredit) :

QUOTE:
" until late 2007. "

rotflmmfao!


As though, ostensible 'debunkers' of persons who doubt the U.S. government official story of 9/11, have a 'timeline' by which they can 'accurately calibrate' "who" (of the 'truthers') said "what", and precisely "when".


Do you not see the utter ludicrousness of that very idea?

You belong in a locked down mental institution, and need to be kept far away from sharp blades and computer keyboards.



I do remember everything live on TV -- I watched (just as stunned as the TV news talking heads themselves were) live coverage of WTC 7 being demolished early that evening (Pacific time).

WTC 7 (building not hit by a plane) was the physical event, I had viewed on live television as stated ^above, which put perhaps the deepest impression on me that something was not right with events of that day, and the way U.S. government was describing/narrating them via the corporate mass media.

I followed 9/11 closely for the first couple of years. I saw the 'No Plane At Pentagon' scam rise and fall, sourced from that charlatan in France. I've watched all the different assertions, 'debunkings', and "debunkers of debunkings" come and go from all sides.

Cooperative Research aka HistoryCommons.org is perhaps the best accumulation of raw data and reporting (leaving interpretations largely up to the user).

" The 9/11 attacks? Was like christmas to the far right. " 13.Apr.2013 13:06

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QUOTE:
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" [...] to the far right. "


Many right wing ("far" and otherwise) sources would disagree.

Whenever the topic of alternatives to the official U.S. government narrative of September 11 2001 are brought up in a right-leaning / right wing internet or journalistic forum, more often than not the derision heaped on accuses the poster of being a "libtard" -- and more generally, accusing anyone / multiple persons / groups who would even consider questioning the official story as being "left wing".

It's widely perceived among American right wingers -- those who've swallowed the official story anyway -- that doubters of the official 9/11 narrative aka 'troofers' (a right wing originated term) are leftists. '9/11 truth' (a misnomer but, whatever) is generally perceived by right wingers to be a left-sourced phenomenon.

Do some research, don't take my word for it and you'll comprehend.

exactly 13.Apr.2013 18:55

bingo

"It's widely perceived among American right wingers -- those who've swallowed the official story anyway -- that doubters of the official 9/11 narrative aka 'troofers' (a right wing originated term) are leftists."

the same people duped by the larcouhe/tarpley propaganda. oops walked right into that.

notice all these lefties bailed or moved on, leaving rabid INSIDE JOB teabagger bots?

cite source plz 13.Apr.2013 19:00

this will be fun

>>>Do you not see the utter ludicrousness of that very idea?

okay link to something, anything from a "truther", pre 2006, claiming to have doubts the "from that very day as this writer and perhaps others on this thread indeed did"

shouldn't be hard. and the "truther" in question can NOT be connected to or pushing right wing cult propaganda.

*jeopardy theme*

ps: i'm not sure about this one myself, but the fact it got a response, complete with "shill" accusations, makes me wonder more..

far radical right does not equal republican right 13.Apr.2013 19:07

.............

@||

the far right is reactionary radical racists with cult agendas: david duke, ron paul, don black, alex jones, larouche, jamie kelso , etc.

it does NOT mean fans of w bush or rebuplicans, though there are alliances of convenience. for instance both will lie their socks off. both will also team up to attack anarchists and other leftists, while pretending they have no contact.

the "truth" movement was a scam invented by the far right pretending to be critics of w bush. the fact many leftists got duped into it only proves green party john's point.

" all these lefties bailed, leaving rabid INSIDE JOB teabagger bots? " 14.Apr.2013 00:13

Once More, With Feeling

Ah,

the Resident Anarchy Clown (of AnarchoBlogSpotTinfoil fame) speaks up.

( you were sure to arrive sooner or later )


Apparently you have a congenital reading comprehension deficiency (among other somewhat vast deficiencies).

Just for one itty bitty second -- step outside yer black hoodie bubble, and look around at how skepticism about the official U.S. government explanation for September 11 2001 events is treated TODAY.

Bring up the topic of 9/11 skepticism, at virtually any right wing outlet of your choice. And I mean, the 'non partisan' / Non-GOP ones.

( i.e. by the ^ above statement, it was not intended to suggest "Hey Why Don't YOU Try This" / post such discussion yourself in those locations ... rather, use the internet to search right wing internet sources, and discover the evidence of such discussion yourself. It's out there... )

see what kind of response and characterization occurs.

By and large, they think that anyone not toeing the line on the official version of 9/11, is a "liberal" or leftist.

When the 9/11 skepticism topic comes up, the other right wingers don't go: "Get out of here, you ignorant Nazi" (or whatever "far right" epithet might be hurled).

Such persons are NOT perceived, by those on the right wing, as EVEN FURTHER RIGHT (and, what indeed happens when one goes **past** 'ultimate right' on the political spectrum.... one arrives at 'ultimate'/extreme left....)



QUOTE:
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far radical right does not equal republican right
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Who said that (until you did)?

Is this even a question? or 'in question' ?

Isn't it __rudimentary__ and in fact OBVIOUS ?

are you "schooling" us here, on basic Political Spectrum Aesthetics / Awareness 101 ?

is "far radical right" the same as 'white power'/ nazis?

Are you SRSLY attempting to assert that the whole "9/11 truth scam" came 100% from Nazis and white supremacists, is that __really__ the full 'conspiracy' in your Tinfoiled brain ?

Did we need to, yet _again_ , get into a mental-masturbation hairsplitting over ideology (oh yea we did, this is PDX IMC and you're the local AnarchoBlogSpot Tinfoil Hatter) ?


QUOTE:
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cite source plz
this will be fun

okay link to something, anything from a "truther", pre 2006,
------




Lol, AGAIN (idiot) :

Do you *****STILL****** not see the utter ludicrousness of that very idea?

WTF, you have the _documentation_ and statistical analyses of "pre 2006" and "post 2006" (w/ regard to global 9/11 skepticism)


ROTFL !!!!


Funniest shit I've ever seen on PDX IMC, by far !


What the ***K do you not understand about the above posted comments?

I don't need a "movement", and neither do any others who intelligently investigate, expose and discuss the anomalies of 9/11 amongst themselves... having that discussion (since day of original event) which continues and is growing to this very day *around the globe*, is enough awareness of a "movement".



QUOTE:
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" ps: i'm not sure about this one myself, but the fact it got a response, complete with "shill" accusations, makes me wonder more.. "
------


Dude, rapidly seek thyself some assistance of the psychiatric or spiritual kind.

You are the one who upped your Blogspot (site which had a total of maybe 4 postings on it, in past 10 years -- and I do mildly wonder who in fact, paid for such SHILLing to stay up that infrequently-posted yet long time) link last time a 9/11 thread came up.... troll harder bro.

You are one sick, twisted and -- more than anything else, perhaps -- DELUDED (esp. w/ regard to your own perceived importance/significance in political and intellectual matters) human being.

seek help immediately, whack-job. best of luck.



QUOTE:
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" shouldn't be hard. and the "truther" in question can NOT be connected to or pushing right wing cult propaganda. "
------


Why does everything always spin back to propaganda, with you? (Oh yeah -- the finest you're capable of achieving, is propaganda.)



QUOTE: " connected to or pushing "
======

How do we know you're not a child molester, or child p*rn trafficker ? Can you prove that to us, beyond a doubt ?

You have pathological / extremely unhealthy obsessions, that's for certain (see above)....



QUOTE: " "truther" in question "
======

WTF is a "truther" and why are they "in question" ?? Is there an interrogation occurring ?




QUOTE:
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the "truth" movement was a scam
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What the hell is / ever was the "truth" "movement" ?

Is that like a bowel movement? (Oh sry no -- bowel movement, that's you.)


collapse of WTC 7, is the scam.

"19 hijackers", is the scam.

'War On Terror', is the scam.

( etc. )

No "movement" required.

link yet? anyone 15.Apr.2013 16:24

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"okay link to something, anything from a "truther", pre 2006, claiming to have doubts the "from that very day as this writer and perhaps others on this thread indeed did"

shouldn't be hard. and the "truther" in question can NOT be connected to or pushing right wing cult propaganda. "

 http://portland.indymedia.org/en/2013/04/422686.shtml#412544

this is interesting. i've heard troofers claiming that for years. but in 2010 and 2011. not before 2008 for sure. at least i didn't hear anything like that from 2008...


Right-wing Tea Party and faux-Anarchist Antifa Fascists have a lot in common. 16.Apr.2013 09:43

.

This false association that the faux-Anarchist Antifa Fascists make between right-wing "teabaggers" and 9/11 Truthers is such horseshit.

When a few of us local 9/11 Truthers decided to "crash" a Tea Party rally at Pioneer Courthouse Square, carrying our "9/11 Was An Inside Job" signs, the Tea Party people were so hostile towards us, we were in serious fear of being beat up. The Tea Party people didn't like our anti-War and anti-Imperialist messages either.

The right-wing Tea Party and the faux-Anarchist Antifa Fascists have a lot in common.

okay yeah.... 16.Apr.2013 15:21

.....

@^

your entry for gaslighting: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Gaslighting
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Gaslighting is a form of mental abuse in which false information is presented with the intent of making a victim doubt his or her own memory, perception and sanity.[1] Instances may range simply from the denial by an abuser that previous abusive incidents ever occurred, up to the staging of bizarre events by the abuser with the intention of disorienting the victim.

The term "gaslighting" comes from the play Gas Light and its film adaptations. The term is now also used in clinical and research literature.[2][3]
------------------------

this describes the internal sekrit workings of various political cults pushing 9/11 conspiracy bullshit to a "t".

your point?

" internal sekrit workings of various political cults " 16.Apr.2013 20:01

You Mean,

like the Dramatica web site?

( who pays tab for that web domain, no one knows... esp. since the Dramatica 9/11 blog page, only has four or five posts on it in the past 10 years .... " sekrit workings " indeed )


but I'd be more interested in, who pays the tab for Mr. "....." AntiFa-irrelevance troll's coincidental (?) appearance on every single thread having to do with an alternative to the official 9/11 explanation.

Did you ever consider, taking it up with PDX IMC mgmt. themselves? Go to one of their meetings?

because after all PDX IMC, is the IMC which has decided to have its own specifically designated '9/11 investigation' Tag/category....

False Info with Intent to Make Others Doubt Their Own True Memory 16.Apr.2013 20:53

<>

__THIS__ is the 100% accurate Description of

AntiFa DramaticaBlog Tinfoil Troll,


to a 'T'


Tea Party Hostile to 9/11 Alternative Explanations 16.Apr.2013 22:20

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RE: what "." posted ^above [QUOTE]-
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carrying our "9/11 Was An Inside Job" signs, the Tea Party people were so hostile towards us, we were in serious fear of being beat up. The Tea Party people didn't like our anti-War and anti-Imperialist messages either.
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Exactly. Absolutely.

Gets back to what I posted earlier ^^up-thread :
 http://portland.indymedia.org/en/2013/04/422686.shtml#412514

Typical 'Tea Partier' is frankly -- and sorry about this, no 'offense' intended but I've observed and experienced it to be largely the truth in face2face discussion and exchanges -- *not* at the intellectual operating level to 1) comprehend what a False Flag is in the first place, or 2) comprehend that their own (U.S.) government, as well as other foreign state agencies could possibly have been involved in collusion to deceive the U.S. and global public about who and what entities were in fact actually responsible for the military-grade-and-scope September 11th attacks.

it's just a bit beyond most of their worldviews and mental comprehension. They "don't go there".

( Heck, even basic 'imperialism' as it applies to the 20th-century-and-onward USA regime, is a bit beyond their purview. )


Therefore, the sheer hostility and derision described ^above by "."


And even though 'Tea Party' members consider themselves 'iconoclasts' (?) because they have -- supposedly -- "broken with" the "mainstream" GOP (and they now "stand for real America"...), it remains a fact that, they themselves as rank-and-file citizens/voters, do indeed cherish and adhere to the 'traditional' Republican, constitutional or libertarian beliefs of a generation ago... Plus their built-in "USA is #1" and inability-to-perceive-diversity of the globe's nation states and cultures, mindset ( Hence, instant backlash towards any 'anti-war' or 'anti-imperialist' message... how many Minuteman-dressed Tea Partiers truly adhere to the anti-imperial message of Ron Paul, even? )

Not to mention that, several of the 'Tea Party' "leading light" politicians who have now ascended into Congress are actually toeing the line of their GOP masters rather than any illusory/amorphous 'Tea Party' agenda.... Rand Paul and a few others have "made some big [little??] stinks" so far, but the GOP-Dem One Party Corporate State -- of course -- marches on as programmed.


anyway getting back to the point / sum up, not many Tea Party attendees / so-called activists at all are going to venture/dip a toe into the 9/11 skepticism pool, that's far too 'expensive', incomprehensible, risky and-or just plain scary for 'em.

so, any link yet? 16.Apr.2013 23:12

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Elitist Idiot 17.Apr.2013 08:32

choose, it's your dime

Typical 'Tea Partier' is frankly -- and sorry about this, no 'offense' intended but I've observed and experienced it to be largely the truth in face2face discussion and exchanges -- *not* at the intellectual operating level to 1) comprehend what a False Flag is in the first place, or 2) comprehend that their own (U.S.) government, as well as other foreign state agencies could possibly have been involved in collusion to deceive the U.S. and global public about who and what entities were in fact actually responsible for the military-grade-and-scope September 11th attacks.

Elitist lefty is oh so much smarter than those tea party folks. If you don't believe it, why ask him.

Your comment was too damn stupid and out of touch with reality to cause offense, moron. Your government school indoctrination, for you were certainly not educated, is really showing here.

" so, any link yet? " 17.Apr.2013 08:32

yes

already was


not even janice matthews "knew" it was an "inside job" from the being 17.Apr.2013 10:24

---

this chick is behind the website 911truth.org:

 http://www.pitch.com/kansascity/bush-blew-up-the-twin-towers/Content?oid=2183666

"Matthews wasn't always this way. She earned a psychology degree from the University of Kansas in the '80s and trained as a midwife. A conservative Christian, she voted for Bush in 2000. On 9/11, Matthews was raising her children in the small central Kansas town of Lindsborg. "I had a gradual reawakening," she says. "

"so, ?" 17.Apr.2013 17:41

.

-

Aha, we got a live one. 17.Apr.2013 22:40

The Joke Ain't On Anyone But YOU

QUOTE:
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" Your comment was too damn stupid and out of touch with reality to cause offense, moron. Your government school indoctrination, for you were certainly not educated, is really showing here. :
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Apparently (based on above content-free blowhard response), YOU ___were___ offended, and in addition are too damned stupid to even understand why.

I have far more adequate and useful education (not even the school, government-or-otherwise variety) than you.


But never mind.



Because we're here, to talk about the sheer idiocy of the 'Tea Party' (which was fine, when it began as a seedling offshoot of Ron Paul-supporting ideologues... it was after it had become a Corporate Sponsored Astroturf "movement" backed by the Kochs and big oil, that it transformed into a circus for imbeciles on public parade)


Exhibit 1 (of a virtually infinite number) :


 http://thinkprogress.org/politics/2011/04/04/155410/tea-party-and-oil-subsidies/

Politics

VIDEO: Tea Party Activists Oppose Billions In Taxpayer Subsidies To Big Oil

By Lee Fang on Apr 4, 2011 at 10:07 am

During the budget debate, Republicans raised concerns about the deficit to slash spending on financial regulators, the EPA, food stamps, Pell grants, Metro funding, and dozens of other programs that either protect consumers or provide assistance to middle-class Americans. However, when given a chance to end $4 billion a year in taxpayer subsidies to big oil companies, Republicans, along with a few conservative Democrats, voted to extend them. At the sparsely attended "Continuing Revolution" Tea Party rally last Thursday, ThinkProgress spoke to a number of attendees about the GOP's decision to give over $40 billion over 10 years in taxpayer subsidies to oil companies. A few Tea Party members refused to comment, but every person who was willing to go on record voiced opposition to the oil subsidies supported by the GOP:

FANG: A few weeks ago there was a little known vote, and the House of Representatives voted to extend forty billion dollars in taxpayer money, money that is basically borrowed from China and other countries, to give subsidies to the big oil companies. Forty billion dollars over ten years. What do you think about that?

TEA PARTIER 1: I don't think the oil companies — we don't need to subsidize them [...]

FANG: Do you think those taxpayer subsidies are justified? [...]

TEA PARTIER 2: No, we're not happy about that. [...]

TEA PARTIER 3: No, they should not have given big oil, big oil has enough to do their own.

TEA PARTIER 4: Let's cut that, the subsidies, sure.


Watch it:

 http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=tWvNP_MuHrk


The real Boston Tea Party, as Thom Hartmann has explained, was a revolt against the East India Company corporation and its oligarchical control over the American colonies. The GOP leadership has hoped that oil company-funded groups, like FreedomWorks and Americans for Prosperity, can fool current Tea Partiers and other Americans into supporting more giveaways to big oil companies. But when you actually talk to rank and file members, they too are disgusted with the GOP's loyalty to massively profitable oil companies.



Tea Party played for suckers by their Big Oil backers

By Climate Guest Blogger on Apr 5, 2011 at 9:25 am

The Tea Party tries to portray itself as a legitimate grassroots movement. But in fact it is backed by Big Oil and the corporate polluters (like the Kochs).

If it is real movement, then it's one that is easily duped and manipulated by their corporate sponsors. That's clear from this Think Progress repost, "VIDEO: Tea Party Activists Oppose Billions In Taxpayer Subsidies To Big Oil."

FANG: A few weeks ago there was a little known vote, and the House of Representatives voted to extend forty billion dollars in taxpayer money, money that is basically borrowed from China and other countries, to give subsidies to the big oil companies. Forty billion dollars over ten years. What do you think about that?

TEA PARTIER 1: I don't think the oil companies "" we don't need to subsidize them [...]

FANG: Do you think those taxpayer subsidies are justified? [...]

TEA PARTIER 2: No, we're not happy about that. [...]

TEA PARTIER 3: No, they should not have given big oil, big oil has enough to do their own.

TEA PARTIER 4: Let's cut that, the subsidies, sure.

 http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=tWvNP_MuHrk


@yes 17.Apr.2013 23:14

no

the link requested was to a truther claiming, from "day one", to "know 9/11 was an inside job".... before 2007/2006.

a link to wiki is NOT an answer. looks like truthers are blowing hot air again.

It's Called a False Flag Operation 18.Apr.2013 09:58

jv

Gulf of Tonkin, etc.

casus belli


'a truther claiming from "day one" to "know 9/11 was an inside job" before 2006' 18.Apr.2013 10:01

?

who's a truther ?

what's on 2nd ?

Bush Admin Decided to Go To War On Sept 11th 2001 18.Apr.2013 10:10

Truth About The Iraq War

Uncovered: The Whole Truth about the Iraq war


I doubted the US Government's fairy tale of 9/11 from day one. 18.Apr.2013 10:11

The Craft of Criticism Will Carry You Home

The moment I saw the Twin Towers collapse on TV on the morning of 9/11, I assumed, from the explosive pattern of the destruction, that bombs had been planted in the Towers, and bombs had destroyed the Towers. I was very surprised in the following days and weeks when the US Government denied that there were any bombs planted in the Towers that took them down. The US Government's continuing denial that there were any bombs in the Towers is what made me become a 9/11 Truther in late 2001.

In 2002 I followed a link to Justin Raimondo's AntiWar.com website, where I learned that other people were questioning 9/11 and writing about it. I occasionally visited Alex Jones's website, who also said that 9/11 was an inside job, but I didn't like Alex Jones's bullish Christianity and political Conservatism. My political preference is very socialist, or left, or whatever you want to call it. I visited a lot of foreign websites and forums, and I found many of the non-US people to be much more willing to discuss 9/11 with a critical view.

By 2003, I was well educated in 9/11 Truth, and I was doing a lot of writing on the Internet about it. I doubted the US Government's bullshit lie about 9/11 from day one. So did a lot of other people I know.

" NOT an answer " 18.Apr.2013 13:34

Well

Prior to you having even asked any 'question' ,

this comment thread had already violated Godwin's law -- thanks to __your__ very own posts, of course -- so anything you would have posted after that was automatcally invalidated.


Play stupid games, win stupid prizes.

@The Craft of Criticism Will Carry You Home 19.Apr.2013 07:52

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great.

now link to you or someone else saying this BEFORE 2006/2007.

like requested. to prove its not some shit troofers made up later. cuz right now that's what it looks like. especially when you got the 911 troofer grandma saying it was a GRADUAL awakening.

otherwise you're pushing a SCAM

thx

@Well 19.Apr.2013 07:53

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who are you talking to?

who are _you_ talking to, Scam-Blog ? 19.Apr.2013 13:10

pssst

hey,

AntiFa DramaticaBlog loser troll -

below is a video just 4 U :


("great. ") Message for Mr. Godwin's law - 19.Apr.2013 13:38

yo

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" now link to you or someone else saying this BEFORE 2006/2007. "


So, nothing is true or provably exists unless there's an internetZ link for it [QUOTE] "BEFORE 2006/2007" ??


(wrinkles nose) Mmm.... smells like


A brief overview of 9/11 Truth activism prior to, and including, 2006 and 2007. 20.Apr.2013 09:56

9/11 was an Inside Job

A poster here has made repeated demands for proof of 9/11 Truth movement activity prior to 2006 or 2007. That proof can be easily found with a web search of the Internet.

When a forum poster demands proof of something that can be easily found with an Internet search, we cannot help but wonder if their demand is actually an attempt to waste our time by providing that proof for them - proof which they could, and should, easily find themselves. It is not our responsibility to do their homework or research for them.

In spite of the fact that the person who demands proof of 9/11 Truth movement activity prior to 2006 or 2007 should do their own research, I have elected to provide below a brief overview of 9/11 Truth movement activity prior to 2006 or 2007. I have included some events and publications from 2006 and 2007 to serve as a termination point for my compendium. My compendium is not exhaustive, and it may leave some important persons out. My compendium does serve as a reminder of the rich and diverse heritage of 9/11 Truth activism from 2001 to 2007.

Disclaimer:
Wikipedia has a strong negative bias against the 9/11 Truth movement, and against opposition to the US Government in general. The Wikipedia page on the 9/11 Truth Movement contains some lengthy negative critiques of the 9/11 Truth movement, and it lacks a balanced response from the advocates or representatives of the 9/11 Truth movement. The Wikipedia page on the 9/11 Truth Movement does not mention the French journalist Thierry Meyssan, who published two seminal books in 2002 that exposed 9/11 as an inside job perpetrated by the US Government. The Wikipedia page on the 9/11 Truth Movement mentions Texas radio host Alex Jones only as the author of "Martial Law 9/11: Rise of the Police State" (2005), even though Alex Jones has been a tireless and prolific advocate of 9/11 Truth since 9/11/2001; Alex Jones stated that 9/11 was an inside job on the very day that it happened. Alex Jones has published several books and produced several films about 9/11 Truth, and Alex Jones has presented a large archive of articles about 9/11 Truth on his two websites, infowars.com and prisonplanet.com.

In spite of my misgivings about the Wikipedia page on the 9/11 Truth Movement, I have quoted it here (see below), because it does contain a lot of factual information about the history of the 9/11 Truth movement.

Primary source:  http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/9/11_Truth_movement

Adherents of the 9/11 Truth movement come from diverse social backgrounds. The movement draws adherents from people of diverse political beliefs including liberals, conservatives, and libertarians. The 9/11 Truth movement is active in the United States as well as in other countries.

In the years after the September 11 attacks, different interpretations of the events that questioned the account given by the U.S. government were published. Among others, Michael Ruppert [2004] and Canadian journalist Barrie Zwicker, [2002] published criticisms or pointed out purported anomalies of the accepted account of the attacks. French author Jean-Charles Brisard and German authors Mathias Bröckers and Andreas von Bülow published books critical of media reporting and advancing the controlled demolition thesis of the destruction of the World Trade Center towers.

French investigative journalist Thierry Meyssan's seminal 9/11 Truth books "9/11: The Big Lie" (March 2002), and "Pentagate" (October 31, 2002), were the first hard-copy books that exposed 9/11 as an inside job that was perpetrated by the US Government.

In September 2002, the first "Bush Did It!" rallies and marches were held in San Francisco and Oakland, California organized by The All People's Coalition.

Several organizations of family members of people who have died in the attacks are calling for an independent investigation into the attacks.
The group 9/11 Citizens Watch was formed in 2002 by John Judge and Kyle Hence and, along with the Family Steering Committee, played an active role in calling for the establishment of the 9/11 Commission, and monitoring the commission closely.

The Hispanic Victims Group is a group created after the 9/11 attacks, founded by William Rodriguez, an adherent of the 9/11 Truth movement. The group was one of the key forces behind the creation of the 9/11 Commission. William Rodriguez, as founder of the group, was a member of the Families Advisory Council for the Lower Manhattan Development Corporation.

To the consternation of the families and adherents of the 9/11 Truth movement, many of the questions that the 9/11 Family Steering Committee put to the 9/11 Commission, chaired by former New Jersey Governor Thomas Kean, were not asked in either the hearings nor in the Commission Report. Lorie Van Auken, one of the Jersey Girls, estimates that only 30% of their questions were answered in the final 9/11 Commission Report, published July 22, 2004.

The 9/11 Family Steering Committee produced a website summarizing the questions they had raised to the Commission, indicating which they believe had been answered satisfactorily, which they believe had been addressed but not answered satisfactorily, and which they believe had been generally ignored in or omitted from the Report.

In addition, the 339-page book The 9/11 Commission Report: Omissions and Distortions by David Ray Griffin, claimed that the report had either omitted information or distorted the truth, providing 115 alleged examples. He has characterized the 9/11 Commission Report as "a 571-page lie".

The 9/11 Truth organization was launched in June 2004 and has become a central portal for many 9/11 Truth movement organizations. It is run by Janice Matthews (Executive Director), David Kubiak (International Campaign Advisor) and Mike Berger (Media Coordinator), among others, and its advisory board includes Steven E. Jones, Barrie Zwicker and Faiz Khan.

The organization co-sponsored opinion polls conducted by the U.S. market research and opinion polling firm Zogby International that have shown substantial numbers of people believing the government did not tell the full truth about the September 11 attacks.

In October 2004, the organization 9/11 Truth released a statement, signed by nearly 200 people, including many relatives of people who perished on September 11, 2001, that calls for an investigation into the attacks. It also asserted that unanswered questions would suggest that people within the administration of President George W. Bush may have deliberately allowed the attacks to happen. Actor Edward Asner, former presidential candidate Ralph Nader, former congresswoman Cynthia McKinney, former assistant secretary of housing Catherine Austin Fitts, author Richard Heinberg, Enver Masud, founder of The Wisdom Fund, professors Richard Falk of the University of California, Mark Crispin Miller of New York University, Douglas Sturm of Bucknell University, Burns H. Weston of the University of Iowa College of Law and others signed the statement.

In 2004, John Buchanan ran for president on a 9/11 Truth platform.

In the fall of 2005, Steven Jones, then a professor at Brigham Young University, announced a paper criticizing the NIST Report and describing his hypothesis that the WTC towers had been intentionally demolished by explosives. This paper garnered some mainstream media attention, including an appearance by Jones on MSNBC. This was the first such programming on a major cable news station.

The original Scholars for 9/11 Truth, founded by James H. Fetzer and Steven Jones on December 15, 2005, was a group of individuals of varying backgrounds and expertise who rejected the mainstream media and government account of the September 11 attacks.

In 2006, Steven E. Jones, who became a leading academic voice of the demolition theory, published the paper "Why Indeed Did the WTC Buildings Completely Collapse?".

In the same year [2006], 61 legislators in the U.S. State of Wisconsin signed a petition calling for the dismissal of a University of Wisconsin lecturer Kevin Barrett, after he joined the group Scholars for 9/11 Truth. Citing academic freedom, the university provost declined to take action against Barrett.

Accordingly, in April 2007, some 9/11 victims' family members and some members of the new Scholars for 9/11 Truth and Justice submitted an additional request for correction to NIST, containing their own views on the defects in the report. NIST responded to this request in September 2007 supporting their original conclusions; the originators of the request wrote back to them in October 2007, asking them to reconsider their response.

Richard Gage, a San Francisco Bay area based architect, founded Architects & Engineers for 9/11 Truth in 2006.

Scholars for 9/11 Truth & Justice (STJ) formed in January 2007 and is a self-described "group of scholars and supporters endeavoring to address the unanswered questions of the September 11, 2001 attack through scientific research and public education". The group is composed of more than 900 members, including Richard Gage, Steven E. Jones, Jim Hoffman, David Ray Griffin, Peter Phillips, former Congressman Daniel Hamburg, and Kevin Ryan. Most members support the conspiracy theory that the World Trade Center Towers and the third skyscraper, WTC 7, were destroyed through explosive demolition.

In September 2004, the interactive "Complete 9/11 Timeline" website by Paul Thompson, which is a collection of mainstream media reports presented chronologically, was made into the book "The Terror Timeline".

Notable 9/11 Truth books up to 2007:

- 9/11: The Big Lie (March 2002), by Thierry Meyssan

- Pentagate (October 31, 2002), by Thierry Meyssan

- Crossing the Rubicon: The Decline of the American Empire at the End of the Age of Oil (October 1, 2004), by Michael Ruppert "Crossing the Rubicon is unique not only for its case-breaking examination of 9/11, but for the breadth and depth of its world picture—an interdisciplinary analysis of petroleum, geopolitics, narcotraffic, intelligence and militarism—without which 9/11 cannot be understood." - Amazon.com books.

- The New Pearl Harbor: Disturbing Questions about the Bush Administration and 9/11 (March 2004), by David Ray Griffin

- The 9/11 Commission Report: Omissions and Distortions (October 2004), by David Ray Griffin

- Debunking 9/11 Debunking (May 2007), by David Ray Griffin

Notable 9/11 Truth films up to 2007:

- The Great Conspiracy: The 9/11 News Special You Never Saw (2004) by Barrie Zwicker

- Martial Law 9/11: Rise of the Police State (2005) by Alex Jones

- 9/11: Press for Truth (2006) documents the struggle by the Jersey Widows

- 911 Mysteries: Demolitions (2006)

- 9/11: Blueprint for Truth (2007) and updated 2008 Edition by Richard Gage

no, they didn't 21.Apr.2013 19:31

reading comprehension fail

>>>A poster here has made repeated demands for proof of 9/11 Truth movement activity prior to 2006 or 2007.

no, they said prove/link to someone CLAIMING TO KNOW 9/11 WAS AN INSIDE JOB ON THE DAY OF THE ATTACKS before 2006 or 2007. cuz apparently this "claim" can't be substantiated before 2008/2009(?), implying it was a talking point invented around 2008/2009(?). probably to impress newbies.

someone DID PROVE troofers were saying things like a "GRADUAL AWAKENING". way different from claiming to know it all from the day of the attacks.

in this thread troofers have SIDESTEPPED THIS QUESTION REPEATEDLY. or like the quoted poster, constructed a STRAW MAN. no one asked for proof of 911 "truth" activity. in fact, the same early poster(probably) asserted not only was there activity, but the the activity points to a CULT SCAM by the FAR RIGHT AND LYNDON LAROUCHE to dupe leftists into the "truth" movement.


didn't know all about that but not completely a shock. and the comments show most "troofers" here are VERY UNCOMFORTABLE talking about the cult connections to the so called 9/11 truth movement.

that says it all.

"someone CLAIMING TO KNOW 9/11 INSIDE JOB ON DAY OF" 13.May.2013 21:59

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Donald Rumsfeld.
























Dick Cheney.

" sidestepped repeatedly " ????? 25.May.2013 11:42

huh ??

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WHAT THE ***K ????????


it is __YOU__ the Disinformationalist Troll, who has this gaslighting (look that up) theory about nothing 'occurring' or 'provable' prior to 2006.

Doubt about 9/11/01 events has occurred since day of.

By people with half a brain cell left in their skulls, that is.


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"newbie" LOL WTFF ???

is this some gamer forum?

How old are you anyway? Born yesterday?

"talking point" = ____YOU____ and your Troll Disinformation.

"Talking points" ??? with regard to 9/11: the only ones are U.S. government's official disinformation brainwashing pre-program i.e. '19 hijackers', 'OBL' etc. which appeared within 12 hours after the events themselves that morning.


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"someone" - Lol wut? Who ??


"DID PROVE" - "prove" ****WHAT***** ????!?

rofl

what was the "proof"? AntiFa Dramatica Blog (as 'evidence'), only 6 postings in TEN YEARS on Interwebz?

wtf is a "troofer" ??



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ROTFlmao

"gradual awakening" Lulz!!!!1!!!!

Dude you need a better Disinformation Meme Generator, it's broke. seek one out rapidly ASAP.



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Who the ***K could ___EVER____ "know it all" (????!!!!??????!?!!!!) from the day of the attacks??

(except of course, elite/military-intelligence conspirators themselves)


9/11 is ***** FAR ****** from being 'solved', and remains so today more than a decade later.

(Gov't. has withheld/destroyed much evidence all along, not to mention the Disinformation/propaganda by them and corporate mass media)

Right now, the best ? 'overall' guess (???) as to a platform or schematic of the militarized 9/11 False Flag operation, is that rogue elements of U.S., Pakistan, and Israeli military intelligence collaborated to set it into place and occur. They had big/essential help from elite U.S. government-technological contractors and banking/insurance firms.




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" in this thread troofers have SIDESTEPPED THIS QUESTION REPEATEDLY. "
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First of all [again for N-Billionth time], what's a "troofer" ???????

"sidestepped" _____WHAT_____ 'question' ??

There IS NO 'question'.


You're the troll who __REPEATEDLY__ mentions 'Larouche' and 'cult' whenever trying to disinform on/discredit things you've been assigned to target.

Questions -- real, honest and rational ones, that is -- regarding the circumstances of what occurred on 9/11/01 have been coming from all sorts of people,

all over the world,

ever since that day's events.

(not merely from a single 'cult source' / 'Larouche' as you continuously, REPEATEDLY, disinformationally slander and imply.)

And they are a whole range of questions. Not merely isolated / singular queries about trivial details in the U.S. government's official explanation... but huge inconsistencies not only in logic about what's been reported, but evidence destruction, property destruction, and incomprehensible explanation of eternal laws of physics provided by nationally-sanctioned laboratories.

it's not any sort of "movement" (??) surrounding the anomalies of 9/11 which is significant or important.

Rather, individuals (who yes, might ? _INDEPENDENTLY_ choose to group together/ally somehow and in various ways to foster greater public education and awareness) becoming aware of the serious questions needing to be asked. Each individual who becomes aware of WTC 7 (had they perhaps not known about it previously), for example. Or the myriad other vast anomalies and inconsistencies in the U.S. government's officially-pronounced explanation.


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Truer words never spoken, from horse's mouth. After all, its yer Troll-Job.



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"early poster" - WTF? You're the Troll who was first on here, "asserting" your Disinformation.


***K off.


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"Larouche", "cult", "far right", blah, blah, blah.


Most mainstream (i.e. believers-in-official-story) right wingers, absolutely believe that so-called '9/11 truthers' are

LEFT WING.



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There's ___SO MUCH___ you don't know, that you'll **never** know (let alone enough to be 'shocked').



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again [N-Trillionth time]: wtf is a "troofer" ??

'Cult', 'Larouche' = __your__ Troll-verbiage.

( RE: Larouche + cults, I am not personally-necessarily "uncomfortable" talking about them... but when I see them on street/in public trying to accost me or others, like any normal human do my best to quickly cross to the other sidewalk... that, or grab their stack of paper flyers and set 'em alight/ dump 'em in trash barrel. But I'm speaking only for myself.

AntiFa Dramatica Blog Tinfoil Troll, on the other hand, seems to have an exceedingly unhealthy obsession with 'cults' and 'Larouche'.... perhaps, a former Member him-/her-/itself?? Projection, it's a ****h. )


None of this, of course and for the X-Quadrillionth time, has __**ANYTHING WHATSOEVER**__ to do with events of September 11 2001.



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Lol, WUT "says it all" ??!?

The fact that you're a Disinformationalist Troll?

( yep )

Sidestep yerself outta here, permanently - and do not come back.