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24 Hard Facts About 9/11 That Cannot Be Debunked

9/11 has been one of the biggest events in recent history which sparked a mass awakening across the world. There has been much debate as to how it happened, who is responsible and why. To this day about a third of Americans do not believe the official story.

Here is a list of 24 facts that cannot be debunked about 9/11.
1) Nano Thermite was found in the dust at Ground Zero. Peer reviewed in the Bentham Open Chemical Physics Journal. 'Niels Harrit', 'Thermite Bentham', "The great thermate debate" Jon Cole, 'Iron rich spheres' Steven Jones, 'Limited Metallurgical Examination (FEMA C-13, Appendix C-6)'. 'Nano Tubes'

2) 1700+ Engineers and Architects support a real independent 9/11 investigation. Richard Gage, Founder. 'Explosive Evidence', 'Blueprint for Truth', 'AE911′, 'Toronto Hearings', 'Kevin Ryan'.

3) The total collapse of WTC 7 in 6.5 seconds at free fall acceleration (NIST admits 2.25 seconds). Larry Silverstein used the term "Pull it". Steel framed high rise buildings have NEVER totally collapsed from fire or structural damage. Builidng 7 was not hit by a plane. 'Building 7′, 'WTC 7′.

4) Dick Cheney was in command of NORAD on 9/11 while running war games. 'Stand down order'. "Of course the orders still stand, have you heard anything to the contrary?". Norman Mineta testimony. "Gave order to shootdown Flight 93.", 'NORAD Drills'.

5) 6 out of the 10 Commissioners believe the 9/11 Commission report was "Setup to fail" Co-Chairs Hamilton and Kean, "It was a 30 year conspiracy", "The whitehouse has played cover up", 'Max Cleland resigned', 'John Farmer'.

6) FBI confiscated 84/85 Videos from the Pentagon. 'Moussaoui trial' revealed these videos. Released Pentagon Security Camera (FOIA) does not show a 757 and is clearly Missing a frame. 'Sheraton Hotel', "Double tree', 'Citgo".

7) Osama Bin Laden was NOT wanted by the FBI for the 9/11 attacks. "No hard evidence connecting Bin Laden to 9/11." CIA created, trained and funded "Al Qaeda/Taliban" during the Mujahideen. OBL was a CIA asset named 'Tim Osman'. OBL Reported dead in Dec 2001 (FOX).

8) 100′s of Firefighters and witness testimony to BOMBS/EXPLOSIONS ignored by the 9/11 Commission Report. 9/11 Commission Report bars 503 1st responder eyewitnesses. "Explosions in the lobby and sub levels", 'Firefighter explosions', 'Barry Jennings', 'William Rodriguez'.

9) 100′s of firefighters and witness testimony to MOLTEN METAL ignored by the Commission report. "Like you're in a foundry", "NIST's John Gross denies the existence of Molten Metal", 'Swiss Cheese', "As of 21 days after the attack, the fires were still burning and molten steel was still running." Leslie Robertson'.

10) '5 Dancing Israelis' arrested in 'Mossad Truck Bombs' on 9/11 that stated "We were there to document the event." 'Urban Moving Systems' front company, 'Dominic Suter'. "$498,750 Business loan (June 2001)". "Officer DeCarlo', 'Art Students', 'Israeli Spying'.

11) On September 10th, 2001. Rumsfeld reported $2.3 TRILLION missing from the Pentagon. 'Dov Zakheim' Pentagon Comptroller. Former VP of 'Systems Planning Corporation' (Flight Termination System). Signatore of PNAC document.

12) 220+ Senior Military, Intelligence Service, Law Enforcement, and Government Officials question the official story. '9/11 Whistleblowers', 'Patriots for 9/11′. 'Robert Bowman', 'Sibel Edmonds', 'Albert Stubblebine', 'Wesley Clark', 'Mark Dayton', 'Alan Sabrosky', 'Cynthia McKinney', 'Jesse Ventura', 'Kurt Sonnenfeld'. "patriotsquestion911.com"

13) Towers were built to withstand a Boeing jet(s). "I designed it for a 707 to hit it", Leslie Robertson, WTC structural engineer. "Could probably sustain multiple impacts of jetliners", "like a pencil puncturing screen netting" Frank De Martini, deceased Manager of WTC Construction & Project Management. "As far as a plane knocking a building over, that would not happen." Charlie Thornton, Structural Engineer.

14) History of American False Flag attacks. 'USS Liberty', 'Gulf of Tonkin', 'Operation Northwoods', 'OKC Bombing (Murrah Building)', '1993 WTC attacks'. 'Patrick Clawson'. Project for the New American Century (PNAC) needed "a New Pearl Harbor", "Rebuilding America's Defenses". 9/11 Achieved those goals.

15) BBC correspondent Jane Standley reported the collapse of WTC 7 (Soloman Brothers building) 20 minutes before it happened. CNN/FOX/MSNBC also had early reports. 'BBC wtc 7′, 'Jane Standley', Ashleigh Banfield'.

16) "Flight 93″ debris was spread out over many miles. Cheney admits to giving the order to shootdown 93. "shot down the plane over Pennsylvania" Rumsfeld, "nothing that you could distinguish that a plane had crashed there" 'Chris Konicki. "Not a drop of blood" Coroner Wallace Miller. "there was no plane." Mayor Ernie Stull.

17) Bush hesitated for 441 days before starting the 911 Commission. 'Jersey Girls'. 'Phil Zelikow' already wrote the outline before the commission began. Steel shipped over seas. Obstruction of justice. JFK and Pearl Harbor commissions were started within 7 days.

18) The 911 commission was given extremely limited funds. $15 million was given to investigate 9/11. (Over $60 Million was spent investigating Clintons' affairs with Monica).

19) Bush said he watched the first plane crash into the North tower on TV before entering the classroom. "The TV was obviously on." Was informed about the second impact while reading 'My Pet Goat' to the children. Remained for at least 8 more minutes while America was under "attack".

20) The PATRIOT ACT was written before 9/11. Signed into law October 26th, 2001.

21) Marvin Bush was director of Stratasec (Securacom, 'KuAm') which was in charge of security of the WTC, United Airlines and Dulles International Airport. All three were breached on 9/11. ICTS was another company that provided security at the airports. 'Wirt Walker', 'Ezra Harel', 'ICTS", 'WTC power downs'.

22) "Who killed John O'Neill?". Former FBI task force agent investigating Al Qaeda/Bin Laden. Transferred by Kroll Corporation to head the security just before 9/11. John O'Neill died in the Towers. 'Jerome Hauer' 'Jules Kroll'.

23) Insider trading based upon foreknowledge. 'Put Options.' Never identified insiders made millions. 'United and American Airlines' 'Raytheon.'

24) At least 7 of the 19 listed highjackers are still alive (BBC). No video footage of 19 highjackers or passengers boarding the 4 planes. Pilots of the 4 planes never squawked the highjacking code. 'Alive highjackers', 'ACARS', 'Pilots for 9/11 Truth'.


WTC 7 (The Smoking Gun)

 http://rememberbuilding7.org/

Building 7 was a 47-story skyscraper and was part of the World Trade Center complex. Built in 1984, it would have been the tallest high-rise in 33 states in the United States. It collapsed at 5:20 pm on September 11, 2001 in 6.5 Seconds at free fall acceleration. It was not hit by an airplane and suffered minimal damage compared to other buildings much closer to the Twin Towers.


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The whole Flight 93/Let's roll! scenario is total propaganda fiction. 04.Apr.2013 22:54

No Plane Debris, No Flight 93.

Good work.

But the "shootdown" of Flight 93 near Shanksville cannot have happened, because there was not enough plane debris found anywhere around Shanksville, including the alleged crash site, to account for an airliner having crashed, or having been shot down.

Yes, there were initial reports of plane debris being found over a wide area, but subsequently, no debris was photographed in that alleged "wide debris field." Compare Lockerbie, where big and small chunks of airplane were all over the place. At Shanksville, all you have is the "initial report" of a wide debris field, but no photographic evidence at all for the existence of that alleged "wide debris field."

At the alleged Flight 93 crash site in that Shanksville field, the photographs of the plane debris show only an amount of debris that would fit in the back of a small pickup truck. Based on the lack of plane debris and other evidence, my conclusion is that the Flight 93 Shanksville crash site was a complete mock-up, and the whole Flight 93/Let's roll! scenario is total propaganda fiction.

tin foil hat brigade 05.Apr.2013 00:38

skeptic

This post contains all the hallmarks of a conspiracy theory. Take a bunch of desperate facts (or in the case of this article use "facts" that aren't even necessarily true) then weave in a story line and Wala! you got a conspiracy.

 http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2dvv-Yib1Xg

fishy facts 05.Apr.2013 06:40

portland helps

A friend of mine from Portland had a buddy who was a fireman, who went there to clean up the Flight 93 debris. The report back was that there was no debris to speak of, and the wreckage was strewn over a lage area with peices in the size of a quarter. It was not like any plane wreck he has ever seen.

19 Arabs with box cutters is a Conspiracy Theory. 05.Apr.2013 07:47

Al Qaeda is CIA

@ "skeptic":

Surely you meant "disparate" and "voila."

The US Government's Official Version of the 9/11 attacks also "contains all the hallmarks of a conspiracy theory" designed to provide an excuse for the bogus War on Terrorism, which is actually a US/NATO/Israeli war of aggression for control of the resource-rich Middle East, Africa, and South Asia.

He has 2 b kidding 05.Apr.2013 08:53

Cant stop laughing

hahaha

skeptic (sic)brigade challenges the facts and pupa's the facts and then (chuckle chuckle)(get this) he posts a Star Wars out take video clip to "prove his position" ...(hohoho!)

I'm glad skeptic's facts are documented here forever (proving) the irony of his position is a nothing but a fake tin-foil Hollywood movie fantasy. What a joke of a reply to a serious topic.

What a classic shill for the "official story"

Oh and way to go on your tin-foiling-challenge "those facts"

This is a riot!!

Star fuken Wars.... hahaha

What is a conspiracy, skeptic? 05.Apr.2013 11:03

Jody Paulson

I went to dictionary.com and this is the definition I found: "an evil, unlawful, treacherous, or surreptitious plan formulated in secret by two or more persons; plot."

So the mainstream media and government at large are touting their own "conspiracy theory." 19 guys with boxcutters were able to kill thousands of people, thwart the most powerful air force on the planet and penetrate the most protected air space on the planet. Here's a short clip on how ridiculous this conspiracy theory is:  link to www.youtube.com


FBI promotes two contradictory explanations of the Flight 93 crash 05.Apr.2013 20:22

No Plane Debris = No Flight 93.

Since the morning of 9/11/2001, the FBI and the US Government have presented two conflicting and mutually-contradictory Official explanations of the alleged crash of Flight 93 at Shanksville.

According to the first Official explanation, Flight 93 exploded on impact and completely disintegrated, scattering tiny fragments of debris over a wide area.

According to the second Official explanation, the nose and forward section of Flight 93 broke off on impact and cartwheeled into the nearby woods. The remaining wings, engines, aft, and tail sections of Flight 93 burrowed into the ground to a depth between 20 and 35 feet, leaving only a cookie-cutter impression of the airliner's wings, engines, and tail at the surface of the ground.

These two Official explanations are conflicting and mutually-contradictory, because no airplane can explode and completely disintegrate, and then proceed to bury itself completely underground. The explosion would eliminate the mass of the airplane, scattering it in all directions. With a plane-disintegrating explosion, there might be a crater, but there would be no airplane left to bury itself underground.

In spite of the conflicting and contradictory nature of these two Official explanations of the alleged crash of Flight 93, the FBI and the US Government have presented and promoted both of the contradictory explanations from the morning of 9/11/2001 to the present.

Of these two contradictory Official explanations, the first Official explanation - that Flight 93 exploded on impact and completely disintegrated - is the more plausible of the two Official explanations, because there are many historical precedents for such aircraft-impact explosions.

The second Official explanation - that the wings, aft, and tail sections of Flight 93 burrowed deep underground to a depth of 20 to 35 feet, leaving only the cookie-cutter impression of the airliner at the surface of the ground, is highly implausible, because the soil at that Shanksville field was not very soft. August and September are the driest months of the year in Pennsylvania, and immediately after the alleged crash of Flight 93, the first responders were walking on firm, dry ground. The heavy firetrucks and earth-moving equipment that followed the first responders had no difficulty maneuvering at the site, and they did not get bogged down there.

Valujet Flight 592, the airliner that crashed in the Everglades swamp in 1998, didn't burrow underground; the plane debris was scattered in shallow water at or near the surface.

The cookie-cutter shape of airliner wings, engines, and tail at the Shanksville "crash site" appears to have been created by a bulldozer prior to 9/11/2001. Apparently an explosive was detonated at the site at the time of the alleged crash of Flight 93, and a section of the nearby woods was set on fire. The FBI needed an explanation for the absence of airliner debris at the Shanksville site, and, on the morning of 9/11/2001, FBI agents arrived at the site soon after the first responders, presenting the two contradictory Official explanations of the alleged crash of Flight 93 to everyone who showed up at the site. It's called "shaping the narrative".

According to the FBI's first Official explanation, there was no visible airplane debris at the site because Flight 93 exploded on impact and disintegrated.

According to the FBI's second Official explanation, there was no visible airplane debris at the site because most of Flight 93 burrowed deep underground, leaving only a cookie-cutter impression of the airliner's wings, engines, and tail at the surface of the ground.

The FBI appointed Wallace "Wally" Miller, the local Coroner of Somerset County, to oversee the search for, and retrieval of, human remains at the Shanksville crash site, in spite of the fact that the FBI employs plenty of highly-trained experts in human forensics. Wallace "Wally" Miller said he delegated Boy Scout teams to gather human remains at Shanksville! Wallace "Wally" Miller also stated that he found a diamond-studded gold ring embedded in a tree at the Shanksville site, and he decided to keep the ring as a personal souvenier! A true professional would have made an effort to identify the owner of the ring and return it to the next of kin.
The FBI appointment of Wallace "Wally" Miller to oversee the search for human remains, and the unprofessional conduct of Miller, are among many examples of the preposterous fakery at the FBI's manufactured crime scene at Shanksville.

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No Pile of Pancaked Floors at Ground Zero = No Pancake Collapse of Twin Towers 06.Apr.2013 07:02

9/11 Was an Inside Job

"Pancaking floors — not controlled demolition — expel debris and smoke out South Tower windows."

"Once each tower began to collapse, the weight of all the floors above the collapsed zone bore down with pulverizing force on the highest intact floor. Unable to absorb the massive energy, that floor would fail, transmitting the forces to the floor below, allowing the collapse to progress downward through the building in a chain reaction."

9/11 Conspiracy Theories - Debunking the Myths - World Trade Center - Popular Mechanics

link to www.popularmechanics.com

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Following a "pancake collapse", the ruined building looks like this:

 http://framework.latimes.com/2011/09/19/mexico-city-earthquake/

There was no "pancake collapse" of the Twin Towers on 9/11, because there was no pile of pancaked floors remaining at Ground Zero after the collapse of the Twin Towers.

Without a stack of pancaked floors piled at Ground Zero, there was no "pancake collapse" of the Twin Towers on 9/11.

A "pancake collapse" REQUIRES that a stack of pancaked floors remain intact, to retain the mass to crush the floors beneath them.

Instead, all of the floors of the Twin Towers were blown to smithereens in a top-to-bottom sequence - as shown in the videos - leaving no stack of pancaked floors at Ground Zero.

P. S. : No Plane Debris at Shanksville 06.Apr.2013 07:40

No Plane Debris = No Flight 93.

According to the FBI, when Flight 93 nose-dived into that Shanksville field, the pilot's cabin and the passenger section forward of the wings broke off and cartwheeled into the nearby woods. No photographs of that detached pilot's cabin and forward passenger section have ever been shown or published anywhere.

Aside from a few small pieces of debris that would fit into the back of a standard pickup truck, there are no published photos of airplane debris from Flight 93 sufficient to account for the existence of an airliner crash at the Shanksville site.

Reports from most first responders and clean-up volunteers at the Shanksville site describe only tiny fragments of debris that are insufficient to account for an airliner crash.

On September 24, 2001, thirteen days after 9/11, the FBI announced that they had completed their excavation of the Shanskville crash site, and that they had recovered 95% of the remains of Flight 93. But the FBI has never shown that recovered debris to the press, or to the public, and the FBI has never published photographs of that debris.

September 24, 2001 Posted: 3:14 PM EDT (1914 GMT)
SHANKSVILLE, Pennsylvania (CNN) -- The FBI announced Monday that its investigation of the site where a hijacked jet slammed into a field here is complete and that 95 percent of the plane was recovered.
 http://archives.cnn.com/2001/US/09/24/inv.pennsylvania.site/index.html

Unless we are shown the debris from Flight 93, and unless we are allowed to examine that debris, we cannot believe that Flight 93 was real. The evidence indicates that Flight 93 and the Let's roll! scenario were a propaganda hoax.

RE: dubya dubya dubya Popular Mechanics dawt com 06.Apr.2013 09:59

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Debunking the Real 9/11 Myths: Why Popular Mechanics Can't Face up to Reality - Part 1

Written by Adam Taylor
Wednesday, 15 February 2012 15:41

Editor's note: This is Part 1 of an extensive report by researcher Adam Taylor that exposes the fallacies and flaws in the arguments made by Popular Mechanics in the latest edition of Debunking 9/11 Myths. We encourage you to submit your own reviews of the book at Amazon.com and other places where it is sold.

Introduction

The revised version of Popular Mechanics' book Debunking 9/11 Myths continues to defend myths that are scientifically impossible

A decade has passed since the tragic events of September 11, 2001, and many people feel that we have still not had a real investigation into what really happened that day. Many believe that the investigations into the destruction of the three WTC skyscrapers by the National Institute for Standards and Technology (NIST) were either fraudulent or incomplete, and have joined the 1600+ architects and engineers at AE911Truth in calling for a real, independent investigation into the attacks. However, Popular Mechanics (PM) has been the primary cheerleader in the mainstream media in defense of the NIST reports ever since its book, Debunking 9/11 Myths: Why Conspiracy Theories Can't Stand Up To the Facts, was published in 2006.

For the ten-year anniversary of 9/11, PM put out a second version of its book, which was updated in an attempt to dismiss new findings that corroborate the controlled demolition hypothesis. The main sections of the book that were revised are on the collapse of the Twin Towers and World Trade Center 7.

This report demonstrates that PM has still not adequately explained the numerous anomalies surrounding the collapse of these three buildings that prove they were destroyed with explosives.

(Quotes from Popular Mechanics' book are shown in red and with page numbers.)

World Trade Center Towers 1 & 2

The introduction to PM's chapter on the collapse of the Twin Towers briefly discusses the main theory put forward by members of the 9/11 Truth movement regarding the Towers' destruction: "The buildings were brought down intentionally—not by hijacked airplanes, but by government-planted bombs or a controlled demolition" (pg. 28). PM then goes on to give a few examples of people promoting this theory. One of the people they cite is a Danish writer named Henrik Melvang, who, according to PM, "markets his book and video claiming the Apollo moon landings were a hoax" (pg. 28). This is obviously an attempt on PM's part to portray those who question the collapse of the Towers as conspiracy theorists who have irrational beliefs. PM also cites Morgan Reynolds, the former chief economist at the U.S. Department of Labor during President George Bush's first term, as someone who believes that the Towers were destroyed through controlled demolition.

We must ask ourselves why PM would choose to cite these people as examples of those who question the collapse of the Towers. Why didn't they cite anyone with experience in the fields of engineering and building construction? According to PM, it's because the 9/11 Truth movement doesn't have any technical credentials. In their 2011 book, they state that:

Though Reynolds and a handful of other skeptics cite academic credentials to lend credence to their views, not one of the leading conspiracy theorists has a background in engineering, construction, or related fields. (pg. 28-29)

This statement is by far one of the most remarkable passages in PM's book. One need only look at what most consider the lead organization in the 9/11truth community, Architects & Engineers for 9/11 Truth, to see that there are currently over 1600 professional architects and engineers with backgrounds in engineering, architecture and building construction who question the destruction of the three WTC high-rise buildings. How can PM possibly have omitted over a thousand experts who agree that the Twin Towers and WTC7 were brought down with explosives? In PM's entire 216 page book, there is not a single mention made of AE911Truth or its founder, architect Richard Gage, AIA.
Popular Mechanics did a poor job of updating their book, leaving in claims from their 2006 version (excerpt shown above) that no leaders of the 9/11 Truth movement have backgrounds in engineering. They completely ignore the hundreds of engineers at AE911Truth who have examined the WTC evidence and are demanding a real investigation

When one looks back at their 2006 book, we can see that this exact same statement appears on the exact same pages.

This fact shows how PM has decided to structure their new book: i.e., update it only where it benefits them. As we will see, this tactic is used more than once in PM's grossly flawed book.

The debate over the airplane crash at the Empire State Building is irrelevant because the design of the Twin Towers was far more robust than that of older high-rises

1.1 The Empire State Building Accident

PM discusses the incident in 1945 where a B-25 bomber lost in the fog crashed into the side of the Empire state building. They claim that "some conspiracy theorists point to [this incident] as proof that commercial planes hitting the World Trade Center could not bring down the towers" (pg. 29). To counter this assertion, PM discusses the construction of the Towers compared to the construction of the Empire State Building and how the Towers' structures "were in some ways more fragile" (pg. 30). They also quote structural engineer Jon Magnusson as saying that "These structures look massive, but they're mostly air. They are air, punctuated with thin layers of concrete and steel" (pg. 30). While it is true that the Towers were mostly empty space by volume, this is true of any large skyscraper. The idea that the Towers were in some way less structurally sound than the Empire State Building is contradicted by a variety of technical sources, including this telegram written by Richard Roth, partner at Emery Roth & Sons, which was the architectural firm that designed the Twin Towers:

THE STRUCTURAL ANALYSIS CARRIED OUT BY THE FIRM OF WORTHINGTON, SKILLING, HELLE & JACKSON IS THE MOST COMPLETE AND DETAILED OF ANY EVER MADE FOR ANY BUILDING STRUCTURE. THE PRELIMINARY CALCULATIONS ALONE COVER 1,200 PAGES AND INVOLVE OVER 100 DETAILED DRAWINGS.
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4. BECAUSE OF ITS CONFIGURATION, WHICH IS ESSENTIALLY THAT OF A STEEL BEAM 209' DEEP, THE TOWERS ARE ACTUALLY FAR LESS DARING STRUCTURALLY THAN A CONVENTIONAL BUILDING SUCH AS THE EMPIRE STATE BUILDING WHERE THE SPINE OR BRACED AREA OF THE BUILDING IS FAR SMALLER IN RELATION TO ITS HEIGHT.
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5. THE BUILDING AS DESIGNED IS SIXTEEN TIMES STIFFER THAN A CONVENTIONAL STRUCTURE. THE DESIGN CONCEPT IS SO SOUND THAT THE STRUCTURAL ENGINEER HAS BEEN ABLE TO BE ULTRA-CONSERVATIVE IN HIS DESIGN WITHOUT ADVERSELY AFFECTING THE ECONOMICS OF THE STRUCTURE.i

It is quite apparent that the Towers were extremely well built, and may have been even more structurally sound than the Empire State Building. Even those supporting the official conspiracy theory praise the buildings' structural integrity as designed, such as Thomas Eager:

"The towers withstood the initial impact of the aircraft... the buildings had more than 1,000 times the mass of the aircraft... This ability to withstand the initial impact is hardly surprising." - Eagar and Musso, JOM, 53 (12) (2001), pp. 8-11

PM next quotes WTC assistant structural engineer Leslie Robertson as stating that the Towers were only designed to take the impact of a Boeing 707, but did not take into consideration the fires that would be produced by the jet fuel.

After 9/11, Robertson stated, "I don't know if we considered the fire damage that would cause" (pg. 31).

However, someone evidently did consider that problem, and that someone was John Skilling, the original WTC lead engineer. When interviewed in 1993, Skilling told the Seattle Times that:

"We looked at every possible thing we could think of that could happen to the buildings, even to the extent of an airplane hitting the side... Our analysis indicated the biggest problem would be the fact that all the fuel (from the airplane) would dump into the building. There would be a horrendous fire. A lot of people would be killed. [But] the building structure would still be there."ii

Although PM mentions John Skilling briefly in their book, they make no mention of this statement. Apparently, PM felt no need to quote the lead WTC engineer on his views about the structural stability of the Towers.

Although the B-25 bomber is not a very good comparison to the planes that hit the Towers, the evidence strongly indicates that the Towers should not have collapsed due to the plane impacts and the ensuing fires. PM quotes a few sources who stated after 9/11 that the Towers were doomed once the planes impacted the buildings, but virtually every engineering source that was quoted before 9/11 says the opposite.iii

1.2 Widespread Damage

The next section of PM's book deals mainly with the damage to the lobby floors of the Towers and how many in the 9/11 Truth movement have asserted that this is evidence of explosives being planted in the buildings. The argument PM puts forward is that the jet fuel from the planes traveled down through the elevator shafts and caused explosions that damaged the lobby.

The walls and trees in the lobby of one of the Twin Towers show no evidence of being burned by a jet fuel fireball, which Popular Mechanics claims was the cause of an earlier explosion

Although viewpoints differ in the 9/11 Truth movement iv regarding the cause of these explosions, some features of the lobby damage indicate that they were not due to a fireball explosion from the jet fuel. For example, the white marble walls show no signs of being exposed to fire, and the plants next to the blown out windows show no signs of burning either.

And at least one explosives expert has stated that he does not believe the damage was caused by the jet fuel traveling down the elevator shafts, based on the appearance of the lobby.v Whether or not the lobby damage is indicative of explosives, however, is essentially irrelevant to the discussion of the Towers' demolitions, as the collapse sequence started above the plane impact zone, not at the lower levels. The lobby damage is not necessary to prove the Twin Towers were destroyed by controlled demolition, as there are far more obvious indicators of demolition that will be discussed later in this report. The fact that PM claims that the jet fuel travelled down the elevator shafts is actually more damaging to their case, as it shows that not all of the fuel from the planes contributed to the fires that allegedly brought the Towers down.vi

This section of PM's book also discusses the testimony of firefighter Louie Cacchioli, one of over one hundred first responders who said that there were bombs in the WTC. PM counters this by asserting that members of the 9/11 Truth movement have taken his quotes out of context. Though Caccholi himself does not believe explosives were placed in the buildings, the numerous quotes from firefighters and first responders strongly indicate that explosives were placed in the buildings.vii


[In Part 2 of this monthly series, Taylor will refute the false explanations that Popular Mechanics has provided for the molten metal that was discovered at Ground Zero. Look for Part 2 in the March edition of the Blueprint newsletter.]


i Quoted from: City in the Sky: The Rise and Fall of the World Trade Center by James Glanz and Eric Lipton, pg. 134-136
ii Quoted from: Twin Towers Engineered To Withstand Jet Collision, The Seattle Times
 http://community.seattletimes.nwsource.com/archive/?date=19930227&slug=1687698
iii For more information on the pre-9/11 claims about the Towers' strength, see:
 http://911research.wtc7.net/wtc/analysis/design.html
iv The following links provide arguments against the lobby damage being caused by explosives:
 http://911research.wtc7.net/wtc/analysis/theories/basementbomb.html
 http://911review.com/errors/wtc/preimpact.html
 http://911review.com/errors/wtc/basementbombs.html
 http://911research.wtc7.net/reviews/loose_change/wtc.html#rodriguez
 link to 911research.wtc7.net
v The following link provides arguments against the lobby damage being caused by a jet fuel fireball:
 http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=EtEw4GA_hOg#t=11m24s
vi This paper provides detailed measurements for how much fuel actually remained on the impact floors, and shows that the amount in either Tower was actually quite small in relation to each Tower, much less a single floor:
 http://www.journalof911studies.com/letters/e/VisualizationAidsWTCTowers.pdf
vi iSee:  http://www.journalof911studies.com/articles/Article_5_118Witnesses_WorldTradeCenter.pdf




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Debunking the Real 9/11 Myths: Why Popular Mechanics Can't Face up to Reality - Part 2

Written by Adam Taylor
Thursday, 01 March 2012 20:00

Plane Impacts, Fire Damage & Melted Steel

Editor's note: This is Part 2 (see Part 1) of an extensive report by researcher Adam Taylor that exposes the fallacies and flaws in the arguments made by Popular Mechanics (PM) in the latest edition of Debunking 9/11 Myths. We encourage you to submit your own reviews of the book at Amazon.com and other places where it is sold.

(Quotes from Popular Mechanics' book are shown in red and with page numbers.)

Plane Impacts and Fire Damage

PM next turns to the issue of the plane impacts and fire damage and their roles in the WTC event. Though PM acknowledges that the fires in the buildings could not have become hot enough to melt steel, they nonetheless rehash the constantly heard argument from other defenders of the official story that the steel did not need to melt to cause collapse. According to PM, it only had to be weakened by the fires enough to cause collapse.

PM argues that "When the planes hit the buildings and plowed into their centers, a large section of the exterior load-bearing columns as well as some crucial core columns were severed." (pg. 37-38) Though this may be true, the collapse of the Towers appears to have actually started at floors that had minimal structural damage.1 PM also discusses the theory from the National Institute of Standards and Technology (NIST) that "the impact stripped fireproofing insulation from the trusses that supported 80,000 square feet of floor space." (pg. 38) This assertion, however, is greatly flawed, as noted by UL whistleblower Kevin Ryan:

[NIST's] test for fireproofing loss, never inserted in the draft reports, involved shooting a total of fifteen rounds from a shotgun at non-representative [structural steel] samples... it's not hard to see that these tests actually disproved their findings. One reason is that there is no evidence that a Boeing 767 could transform into any number of shotgun blasts. Nearly 100,000 blasts would be needed based on NIST's own damage estimates, and these would have to be directed in a very symmetrical fashion to strip the columns and floors from all sides. However, it is much more likely that the aircraft debris was a distribution of sizes from very large chunks to a few smaller ones, and that it was directed asymmetrically.2
Photo from Ground Zero shows a portion of the airplane fuselage, which contradicts the framework of NIST's "shotgun test" for fireproofing loss in the Twin Towers

Ryan's assertion that "... aircraft debris was a distribution of sizes from very large chunks to a few smaller ones" is well grounded, as photographs show that large portions of the planes exited the Towers, and eyewitnesses who escaped from the Towers reported seeing intact portions of the plane in the building.3

PM next goes on to discuss NIST's assertions that the fires in the buildings were sufficient to weaken the steel to the failure point. However, NIST's own tests show no evidence of this. While PM asserts in their book that "[steel] loses roughly 50 percent of its strength at approximately 600 degrees Celsius (1,100 Fahrenheit)" (pg. 38), NIST cites no evidence that the steel in the Towers sustained temperatures anywhere near this range. The highest temperatures NIST estimated for the steel samples was only 250 °C (482 °F), according to the metallographic paint tests they performed on WTC core column specimens.4

PM attempts to make a case that the combination of the aircraft impacts and the ensuing fires were sufficient to cause both of the structures to collapse.

Conspiracy theorists point to other high-rise fires, such as the one in 1991 at the 38-story Meridian Plaza hotel in Philadelphia, as proof that fire alone cannot bring down a skyscraper. And, in a sense, they are right: Fire alone did not bring down the towers. (pg. 40)

It is important to note that the term "conspiracy theorists" is a derogatory term used here to discredit the forensic evidence of controlled demolition brought forward by technical professionals. The experts at AE911Truth do not speculate on possible theories regarding who brought down the WTC skyscrapers.

In the case of Building 7, the NIST report tells us that structural damage played no role in initiating the collapse of the building, and that its collapse was due to "normal office fires".5

One then has to wonder why PM does not consider the 9/11 Truth movement "in a sense right" about Building 7. But that aside, it is important to quantify how the structural damage played a role in the collapse of the Towers. We previously noted that the collapse of the Towers started on floors with less damage than other floors. In the case of the North Tower, the collapse started at the 98th floor6, which had the least amount of structural damage out of all the damaged floors.7 Not only that, but the upper section of the North Tower started to collapse on the side of the building opposite to where the plane impacted.

Impact zone of the North Tower (shown from the north side) Initiation of collapse of the North Tower (shown form the south side)

But PM notes other issues regarding the Towers' collapses, quoting structural engineer Jon Magnusson as saying:

[T]he impact struck out sprinklers and fireproofing, and the fire elevated the temperature of steel. Then you start to weaken the steel by heating it up. (pg. 40)

As we have already seen, NIST has not provided evidence that demonstrates that the fires were hot enough to cause structural failure and collapse - nor that the fireproofing was widely dislodged. As for the sprinklers being "knocked out", NIST doubts that the sprinklers would have done much to fight the fires.8

PM provides the One Meridian Plaza building as an example that members of the 9/11 Truth movement cite to demonstrate that fires have never brought down a steel-framed high-rise, but they provide very little information on the specifics of the incident. The One Meridian Plaza building burned for 18 hours over eight floors. This is a vastly more severe fire than the fires that would have existed in the Towers. (Remember that NIST acknowledges that the jet fuel was burned up after only about 10 minutes.) What's more, the building was also constructed similarly to the Towers and Building 7, having a core and perimeter "tube within a tube" columnar structural system.9 This was also the case for the First Interstate Bank, a 62-story building in California, which burned for nearly four hours but did not collapse.10

Melted Steel

PM next addresses physics professor Dr. Steven Jones' findings regarding molten metal in the debris at Ground Zero, and how this is evidence of melted steel and/or iron. PM's counter to this claim is the assertion that the fires in the debris piles cooked the steel and other metals to the point where they melted. They quote Jon Magnusson as saying:

When we're talking about the debris pile and the insulating effect, the fires down there are completely different than the factors [affecting the steel] in the building. (pg. 41)

However, the idea that the molten metal could have somehow formed in the debris afterwards is actually addressed in Jones' paper:

Notice that the molten metal (probably not steel alone; see discussion below) was flowing down in the rubble pile early on; so it is not the case that the molten metal pools formed due to subterranean fires after the collapses.11

PM provides no technical analysis in their book to show that the fires could have become hot enough to melt steel in the debris piles. The temperatures that existed in the debris piles were vastly hotter than what any sort of natural fire could have produced. In fact, the temperatures were evidently high enough:

• To form Fe-O-S eutectic (with ~50 Mol % sulfur) in steel [1,000 °C (1,832 °F)]
• To melt aluminosilicates (spherule formation) [1,450 °C (2,652 °F)]
• To melt iron (III) oxide (spherule formation) [1,565 °C (2,849 °F)]
• To vaporize lead [1,740 °C (3,164 °F)]
• To melt molybdenum (spherule formation) [2,623 °C (4,753 °F)]
• To vaporize aluminosilicates [2,760 °C (5,000 °F)]12
• To melt concrete [1,760 °C (3,200 °F]

The conditions at Ground Zero simply could not have produced these types of temperatures.13 However, the extreme heat in the piles is indeed consistent with thermitic reactions.14

In PM's next attempt to undermine the case for molten metal in the debris, they cite the analysis of Alan Pense, a professor of metallurgical engineering at Lehigh University. They quote him saying:

The photographs shown to support melting steel are, to me, either unconvincing... or show materials that appear to be other than steel. One of these photos appears to me to be mostly of glass with unmelted steel rods in it. Glass melts at much lower temperatures than steel. (pg. 41)

First off, it is not clear from this statement which photograph Alan Pense is referring to. However, he is likely referring to the popular "crane shot."
Regardless of whether the obvious molten material shown above is molten steel, iron, or even glass, its color indicates temperatures exceeding 2,300°F. The jet fuel and office fires in the Twin Towers never reached such temperatures.

Second, we have already seen that there were metals that were either melted or evaporated at temperatures well above the melting point of steel and iron. Third, even if the crane photo did show molten glass, it would still need to have been heated to extremely high temperatures, since glass does not begin to give off any visible light until it approaches temperatures of 2240 şF.15

PM next takes issue with Steven Jones' claim that the molten metal can be accounted for by incendiaries that could have been used to destroy the buildings. They counter this claim by quoting Controlled Demolition, Inc. president Mark Loizeaux as saying the explosives used in demolitions do not produce molten metal, noting that the heat from the explosives would not last long. While this may be true for conventional explosives, the use of thermate and nanothermite based devices could certainly account for the molten metal. Molten iron is the main byproduct of a thermite reaction, and the reaction can produce extreme heat that lasts longer than conventional explosives. Nanothermite is a very high tech variation of thermite, and could account for all of these phenomena.16

In fact, both the USGS and RJ Lee, an environmental consulting firm, found ubiquitous previously molten iron microspheres in all of the WTC dust samples. These also can only be the result of temperatures reaching 2,800°F. Up to 6% of some of the dust samples recovered in the nearby skyscraper, the Deutsche Bank building, are composed of these iron spheres - most of which are only the size of the diameter of a human hair.

It is quite evident that PM has failed to explain away the extreme heat and molten metal that clearly existed at Ground Zero. They have also failed to show the temperatures inside the buildings were sufficient to cause collapse.


[In Part 3 of this monthly series, Taylor will refute the false explanations that Popular Mechanics has provided for the near free-fall acceleration of the Twin Towers. Look for Part 3 in the April edition of the Blueprint newsletter. For Part 1 click here  link to www.ae911truth.org ]


1See:  http://www.journalof911studies.com/volume/2008/FentonWTCInitiationFloors.pdf

2Quoted from: What is 9/11 Truth? - The First Steps, by Kevin Ryan, pg. 2-3  http://www.journalof911studies.com/articles/Article_1_Ryan5.pdf

3See:  http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=GRwNJmQw1MY

4See:  http://911research.wtc7.net/essays/nist/index.html#exaggeration

5"The debris from WTC 1 caused structural damage to the southwest region of WTC 7—severing seven exterior columns—but this structural damage did not initiate the collapse. The fires initiated by the debris, rather than the structural damage that resulted from the impacts, initiated the building's collapse after the fires grew and spread to the northeast region after several hours." Quoted from:  http://www.nist.gov/el/disasterstudies/wtc/faqs_wtc7.cfm

6According to NIST NCSTAR 1, pg. 87: "First exterior sign of downward movement of building at floor 98."

7Although it is true that the NIST report never specifically states that the 98th floor was the least damaged, the information provided in their report clearly demonstrates this. The 98th floor had only five perimeter columns severed, and one need only look through the table provided in NCSTAR 1-2, pg. 205 to see that NIST does not list floor 98 as having any of its core columns severed.

8"Even if the automatic sprinklers had been operational, the sprinkler systems—which were installed in accordance with the prevailing fire safety code—were designed to suppress a fire that covered as much as 1,500 square feet on a given floor. This amount of coverage is capable of controlling almost all fires that are likely to occur in an office building. On Sept. 11, 2001, the jet-fuel ignited fires quickly spread over most of the 40,000 square feet on several floors in each tower. This created infernos that could not have been suppressed even by an undamaged sprinkler system, much less one that had been appreciably degraded." Quoted from:  http://www.nist.gov/public_affairs/factsheet/wtc_faqs_082006.cfm

9See:  http://www.iklimnet.com/hotelfires/meridienplaza.html

10See:  http://www.iklimnet.com/hotelfires/big_fires1.html

11Quoted from: Why Indeed Did the WTC Buildings Completely Collapse? by Dr. Steven Jones, pg. 5  http://www.journalof911studies.com/volume/200609/WhyIndeedDidtheWorldTrade
CenterBuildingsCompletelyCollapse.pdf

12See:  http://www.journalof911studies.com/articles/WTCHighTemp2.pdf

13For a detailed discussion of the high temperatures at Ground Zero, see:
 http://911research.wtc7.net/papers/dreger/GroundZeroHeat2008_07_10.pdf

14See:  http://www.springerlink.com/content/f67q6272583h86n4/

15See:  http://wiki.naturalfrequency.com/wiki/Colour_temperature

16A detailed explanation of aluminothermic technology is given here:
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Debunking the Real 9/11 Myths: Why Popular Mechanics Can't Face up to Reality - Part 3 Print E-mail

Written by Adam Taylor
Wednesday, 25 April 2012 16:07

Collapse Times of the Twin Towers

Editor's note: This is Part 3 (see Part 2) of an extensive report by 9/11 researcher Adam Taylor that exposes the fallacies and flaws in the arguments made by the editors of Popular Mechanics (PM) in the latest edition of Debunking 9/11 Myths. We encourage you to submit your own reviews of the book at Amazon.com and other places where it is sold.

(Quotes from Popular Mechanics' book are shown in red and with page numbers.)

Rapid Destruction of The Twin Towers

" While citing several experts who support their assertion that the collapse rates of the Towers were nothing unusual, PM failed to acknowledge numerous other experts who say that the collapse rates clearly violated the laws of physics. "

In Popular Mechanics' next section, they discuss the rate at which the Twin Towers were destroyed. PM begins by correctly pointing out that it is difficult to determine exactly how long it took each Tower to collapse, being that much of the destruction was blocked from view by the huge clouds of pulverized debris. However, it is quite evident that PM has again misrepresented the characteristics of the buildings' destruction.

PM continues by naming off a few people who have said the Twin Towers collapsed too quickly, but they evidently cherry-picked the individuals to quote on this topic. For example, PM quotes talk show host Rosie O'Donnell as saying that the Towers each collapsed in nine seconds. They also quote 9/11 truth advocate Andrew Johnson as saying that the South and North Towers collapsed in eight seconds and ten seconds, respectively. However, neither of these individuals is an engineer or a scientist with relevant expertise who can give an expert opinion. To be sure, PM does quote engineers that say the collapse times of the Towers were not remarkable at all, but omits the opinions of the hundreds of architects and engineers who reviewed the Towers' destruction and stated the collapses happened too quickly to have been caused by fire. Here are just a few expert opinions that could have been included in PM's book:

Paul W. Mason is among over 1600 credentialed architects and engineers who have challenged the official explanation for the Twin Towers' collapse

The collapse of the three WTC buildings would seem to defy the laws of mechanics, conservation of energy and known structural failure behavior. The case for the destruction of the three WTC buildings by means of "controlled demolition" is overwhelming.
-Claude Robert Briscoe, civil engineer with 45+ years of experience 1

There is no doubt that there were vast quantities of extra energy applied to the structures to achieve both rapid collapses and complete destruction of their components. This energy can realistically only have come from explosive charges. -Paul W. Mason, civil/structural engineer with 35 years of experience2

The speed at which the buildings fell implied that the central cores provided virtually no vertical resistance at any point during the collapses. -Joseph Testa, civil engineer3

The physics of momentum transfer in the collapse of the WTC buildings completely precludes the possibility that collapse at near free-fall speed could occur due to gravity alone. -Robert Tamaki, civil engineer4

The prevailing theory would have us believe that each of the Twin Towers inexplicably collapsed upon itself crushing all 287 massive columns on each floor while maintaining a near free-fall acceleration as if the 100,000, or more, tons of supporting structural-steel framework underneath didn't exist. -William Rice, P.E., Structural Engineer.

PM chose to omit opinions such as these from credentialed experts, preferring to only quote only those engineers who support their overall premise.

PM initially argues that the complete collapses of the buildings took longer than 10-15 seconds by quoting NIST as saying that the portions of the cores of both Towers actually remained standing after the outer structures fell. However, as noted by mechanical engineer Gordon Ross, a dimensional analysis by 9/11 researcher Muhummad Colombo shows that the cores of the Towers were attacked first in the demolition, based on dimensional analysis of the cores:

The photograph by Aman Zafar (below), previously shown and commented upon, appears to show the lower core structure still upright after the floors and perimeter columns had collapsed to ground level. However, this is not the full story. Muhammad's analysis shows that the remaining core was too narrow to be the entire core, and was in fact, the inner 23 core columns. The 24 core columns which made up the outer perimeter of the core structure and to which the floors were connected are clearly absent from the photograph. Thus we can see that the outer core columns fell in the early stages of the collapse along with the floors and perimeter walls. For this to happen, the bracing which attaches these outer core columns, both to each other and to the inner core columns, would have to be severed and each column broken into sections.5

Analysis of images of the South Tower shows that key core columns were destroyed early on in the collapse, a phenomenon that can only be caused by explosives, contradicting PM's claims

PM claims that "professors and investigators contend it's not surprising that [the Towers'] collapse-time estimates are close to would-be free-fall results" (pg. 44), and then proceeds to quote several of these said people. One of the people is MIT professor Dr. Thomas Eagar, who said it was not surprising that each Tower collapsed in ten seconds. PM writes:

[Eager's] analysis explains that as exterior columns bowed and joists on the most heavily burned floors gave way, the mass of the collapsing floors created a cascade of failures. (pg. 44)

This first thing that should be noted about PM's citation of Dr. Eagar is that his analysis actually contradicts NIST's analysis of the Towers' collapses. PM cites Dr. Eagar's paper, Why Did the World Trade Center Collapse? Science, Engineering, and Speculation, but when one actually reads what he wrote it is apparent that his analysis doesn't promote NIST's theory of collapse at all. In his paper, Dr. Eagar writes:

As the joists on one or two of the most heavily burned floors gave way and the outer box columns began to bow outward, the floors above them also fell.6

Whereas NIST told us that the exterior columns bowed inward, Dr. Eagar's paper asserts that the exterior columns bowed outward. By not quoting this section of his paper correctly, PM gives the impression that Dr. Eagar's analysis is in total agreement with the NIST investigators (though Eagar's paper currently provides a link to another article in the Journal of the Minerals, Metals and Materials Society that promotes NIST's theory7). Instead, PM proceeds to directly quote from Eagar's paper:

The floor below (with its 1,300 ton design capacity) could not support the roughly 45,000 tons of ten floors (or more) above crashing down on these angle clips. This started the domino effect that caused the buildings to collapse within ten seconds, hitting bottom with an estimated speed of 200 km per hour.8

However, this analysis is flawed by the fact that actual measurements of the collapse of the Towers show that the upper sections of the Towers never exerted massive forces on the lower sections, due to the fact that the upper sections accelerated through the lower section. As physicist David Chandler has shown, the upper section of the North Tower fell into the lower section, and not only did it not slow down, it sped up.9 Hence, there was no dynamic load being exerted on the lower section to cause it to collapse.

The next alleged expert PM cites is Dr. Keith Seffen, a senior lecturer in the engineering department at the University of Cambridge. They cite his paper, Progressive Collapse of the World Trade Center: A Simple Analysis, published in the Journal of Engineering Mechanics,10 as evidence that the Towers could have collapsed as quickly as they did as a result of the jet fuel and office fires. Instead of mentioning the technical refutations of Seffen's claims, PM quotes a non-technical writer, Peter Wakefield Sault, who cites that "Dr. Seffen is an accessory after the fact to mass murder".
Dr. Keith Seffen has yet to respond to questions surrounding his defense of the official explanation for the Twin Towers' collapse

PM's citation of Sault's comments highlights their obvious ploy to cherry-pick supporters of the 9/11 Truth movement to quote. Although a direct source for this quote is not provided (like most of the 9/11 Truth advocates quoted by PM), this statement is found not on the website PM provides, but on an obscure website. Sault is only commenting on a blog post about Keith Seffen.11 The fact that PM quotes from such an obscure source reveals their determination to portray anyone who questions the WTC collapses as a "crazy conspiracy theorist". On the contrary, the study of the destruction of the Twin Towers entered the realm of laboratory research years ago with published articles in scientific and academic journals.

The critique of Seffen's WTC paper written by University of Iowa Physics Professor Dr. Crockett Grabbe points out the many unscientific arguments that Seffen made

Evidently, PM's writers and investigative journalists somehow missed an article written by Dr. Crockett Grabbe which refutes the arguments made in Seffen's questionable paper even though Grabbe's article was published in the very same journal as Dr. Seffen's paper.12 Though PM touts Dr. Seffen and his paper as providing excellent analysis of the WTC collapses, there is no mention of Grabbe's peer-reviewed response, even though Grabbe is a credentialed scientist. Instead, PM chose to cite an inflammatory remark on an obscure internet site.

Dr. Seffen never responded to Dr. Grabbe's discussion paper, which was published over three years ago. In addition, PM felt no need to quote Dr. Grabbe, who says on his website, "Seffen is an applied mathematician from Cambridge whose paper was on BBC News. I ripped his paper apart, and he never made any reply to my very critical comments."13

PM finishes this section by quoting a section of NIST's report on the collapse of the Twin Towers that discusses the rate of collapse. The section reads:

Since the stories below the level of collapse initiation provided little resistance to the tremendous energy released by the falling building mass, the building section above came down essentially in free fall, as seen in videos. As the stories below sequentially failed, the falling mass increases, further increasing the demand of the floors below, which were unable to arrest the moving mass.14

PM also quotes from NIST's FAQ on the WTC collapses:

NIST estimated the elapsed times for the first exterior panels to strike the ground after the collapse initiated in each of the towers to be approximately 11 seconds for WTC 1 and approximately 9 seconds for WTC 2... Neither the duration of the seismic records nor video evidence (due to obstruction of view caused by debris clouds) are reliable indicators of the total time it took for each building to collapse completely.15

However, engineer and 9/11 researcher Jim Hoffman addressed both of NIST's assertions. In regards to the first point, Hoffman writes:

This does not explain either why the structure below failed to arrest the falling mass or how the structure failed to appreciably slow the falling mass. As in the preceding paragraphs, NIST begs these questions using a kind of circular argument: The towers fell rapidly because the stories below could not resist the tremendous energy of the falling mass. Videos clearly show that the upper section fell essentially in free-fall. Therefore the structures below offered minimal resistance to and were destroyed by the falling mass. The argument pre-supposes the conclusion that the force that overcame the resistance of the structures below was the falling mass, not some other force such as energy of explosives.16

As for the second point, Hoffman writes:

To the contrary, video records, such as this record of the North Tower's fall, clearly establish upper boundaries on the times that it took for the vast majority of each tower to be destroyed.17

While citing several experts who support their assertion that the collapse rates of the Towers were nothing unusual, PM failed to acknowledge numerous other experts who say that the collapse rates clearly violated the laws of physics. The rate in which the Towers came down cannot be explained by the combined effects of fire and gravity.

For more on the subject of the Towers' collapse rates, the following articles are recommended:

Twin Towers Evidence Blows Away Fire Theory by James Smith

The Missing Jolt: A Simple Refutation of the NIST-Bazant Collapse Hypothesis, by Prof. Graeme MacQueen and Tony Szamboti

Destruction of the World Trade Center North Tower and Fundamental Physics by David Chandler

Showing that the South Tower of World Trade Center Collapsed from Forces More Powerful than Gravitation by Crockett Grabbe


[In Part 4 of this monthly series, Taylor challenges Popular Mechanics' misleading claims regarding the violent ejections of dust and building materials during the collapse of the Twin Towers. Look for Part 4 in the May edition of the Blueprint newsletter. For Part 2 click here  link to www.ae911truth.org ]


1Quoted from:  http://www2.ae911truth.org/profile.php?uid=998501

2Quoted from:  http://www2.ae911truth.org/profile.php?uid=997386

3Quoted from:  http://www2.ae911truth.org/profile.php?uid=999894

4Quoted from:  http://www2.ae911truth.org/profile.php?uid=999612

5Quoted from:  http://gordonssite.tripod.com/id2.html

6Quoted from: Why Did the World Trade Center Collapse? Science, Engineering, and Speculation, by Thomas W. Eagar and Christopher Musso  http://www.tms.org/pubs/journals/jom/0112/eagar/eagar-0112.html

7See:  http://www.tms.org/pubs/journals/JOM/0711/banovic-0711.html

8Quoted from: Why Did the World Trade Center Collapse? Science, Engineering, and Speculation

9This analysis is shown in David Chandler's paper: Destruction of the World Trade Center North Tower and Fundamental Physics  link to www.journalof911studies.com)

10Seffen's paper can be read here:  http://winterpatriot.pbworks.com/f/seffen_simple_analysis.pdf

11See:  http://laura-knight-jadczyk.blogspot.com/2007/09/9-11-anniversary-propaganda-special-wtc.html

12The paper can be read here:  http://www.sealane.org/writings/Seffenrevpub.pdf

13Quoted from:  http://www.sealane.org/physics/publicdir/writing/research.html

14Quoted from: NCSTAR 1, pg. 146  http://www.nist.gov/manuscript-publication-search.cfm?pub_id=909017

15Quoted from:  http://www.nist.gov/el/disasterstudies/wtc/faqs_wtctowers.cfm

16Quoted from:  http://911research.wtc7.net/essays/nist/index.html

17Quoted from:  http://911research.wtc7.net/reviews/nist/WTC_FAQ_reply.html




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Debunking The Real 9/11 Myths: Why Popular Mechanics Can't Face Up to Reality - Part 4

Written by Chris Rocco
Thursday, 31 May 2012 14:41

WHY POPULAR MECHANICS CAN'T FACE UP TO REALITY

Editor's note: This is Part 4 (see Part 3) of an extensive report by 9/11 researcher Adam Taylor that exposes the fallacies and flaws in the arguments made by the editors of Popular Mechanics (PM) in the latest edition of Debunking 9/11 Myths. We encourage you to submit your own reviews of the book at Amazon.com and other places where it is sold.

Part 4: Puffs of Dust

The next section of PM's book deals with one of the more direct pieces of evidence of demolition for the Towers - the isolated ejections of dust and debris from the Towers during the collapses. Like most of its arguments, PM's challenge to this evidence of demolition is extremely weak and was previously refuted by experts at AE911Truth and elsewhere.

PM's case against the ejections begins with a discussion of how the Towers were designed. As noted by PM, "Like the vast majority of office buildings, the Twin Towers were mostly air." (pg. 48) PM intended this assertion to support the idea that... the ejections were caused by built-up air pressure. Although it is true that the Towers, like most buildings, were mostly air by volume, the air was not pressurized, as noted by Kevin Ryan:

[T]he floors were not air-tight, enclosed containers either, which means that, even if the falling mass could exert a uniform downward pressure, it would not be contained.[i]

In other words, the Towers were not like fully inflated balloons, ready to burst the moment one of their windows was punctured.

PM also quotes Dr. Shyam Sunder of NIST: "When you have a significant portion of the floor collapsing, it's going to shoot air and concrete dust out the window." (pg. 48)

The problem with this assertion is that the material contained within the squibs is not merely dust, but also pulverized building material. As noted by Dr. Crockett Grabbe:

Note that the debris coming out with the squib on the right is falling, showing that it is made up of particles of matter shooting out, not just smoke (as defenders of the NIST report claimed).[ii]

Indeed, videos and photographs confirm this.
The material being ejected below the collapse front is not merely a "puff of dust" - it is pulverized building debris

PM's entire characterization of these ejections as "puffs of dust" is inaccurate and misleading. The material shooting out clearly is made up of pulverized bits of matter that are solid and not merely just puffs of dust and smoke, as they would like us to believe.

PM then goes on to claim that it is the members of the 9/11 Truth movement who have mischaracterized the collapse of the World Trade Center. PM quotes Dr. Crockett Grabbe as saying, "There is strong evidence for controlled demolition causing the collapses instead of fires from the planes ... but virtually none of the pancake theory of collapse." From this PM claims that Dr. Grabbe misstated a crucial point, which is that NIST investigated only what caused the collapse of the towers, not the mechanism of the collapse. PM also claims that NIST never suggested that the Twin Towers began to collapse due to pancaking floors. Although PM cites Dr. Grabbe's website, SeaLane.org, it does not cite the source within the website, which is an article titled Response to NIST on Controlled Demolition Investigation Failure.[iii] In this article, Dr. Grabbe criticized NIST for not examining the entire collapse and the possibility of demolition. Whereas PM acts as if NIST's omission was normal, Dr. Grabbe demonstrates there are numerous reasons NIST should have examined the entire collapses, including:

The collapse of the South Tower appears to initiate below where the fires and plane damage are located.
There is substantial evidence of explosive events occurring below the main collapse front of the buildings.
There is other evidence of explosives being used, including broken pieces of cladding, beams, and sections of wall flying away from the tower in the collapse.

Again, these facts would have become apparent to the reader had PM cited the article instead of just Dr. Grabbe's website.

PM also tries to discredit researcher and chemist Kevin Ryan, who said that NIST contradicted PM's earlier arguments:

Conspiracy theorists promptly leveled accusations that the agency had backtracked. "It is gratifying that NIST finally admits their findings do not support the 'Pancake Theory' of collapse," wrote Kevin Ryan at  http://stj911.org. "Note that this is in direct contradiction to Shyam Sunder's comments reported by Popular Mechanics Magazine." (pg. 49)

"The point-like sources of these bursts cannot be explained."

— Kevin Ryan

PM then claims that Kevin Ryan "did not read NIST's work carefully," (pg. 49) saying that NIST did report pancaking of floors in NCSTAR 1-3, but not that pancaking initiated the collapse. Again, PM provides no direct source within the website for these quotes (which actually come from an article titled Responses to NIST's FAQ). Both Kevin Ryan and Dr. Grabbe have written other articles about the ejections of dust and debris from the Towers, but PM chooses to quote from articles not primarily about the ejections. This is clearly more evidence of NIST's cherry-picking. Both articles about the ejections provide extremely strong arguments against the idea that the ejections are merely being caused by air pressure.

Kevin Ryan's points:

There was no piston mechanism possible in the falling towers because there was no internal shaft and the upper section was disintegrating as it fell.

The disintegration front was characterized by the explosive ejection of material outward, and the resulting cloud-like debris could not have formed a continuous surface to apply pressure to the air below.

Any pressure created would not be contained within a single floor, but would have been distributed over many floors in the lower section and probably would have vented into the external atmosphere as well.

The high-speed bursts seen early in the "collapse" could not have been produced by air pressure alone, as the pressure could not have risen substantially at the time when they occurred.

The similar size, shape and velocity of the bursts are not consistent with the fact that any pressure created would have been rising as the debris fell.

The point-like sources of these bursts cannot be explained.

The debris that was ejected at the lower levels could not have been created as a result of the air pressure alone, and could also not have been created by the falling mass above, which would have required more time to arrive and was already traveling at nearly free-fall speed.

Likewise, Dr. Grabbe's analysis of the squibs highlights their explosive characteristics:

The horizontal ejection rate of the squibs is disproportional to their vertical fall rate.

The debris from the ejections from Tower's collapses caused widespread damage.

The debris from the ejections evidently shot out up to Ľ mile away.

Why didn't PM address any of these arguments provided by these experts? Why did PM choose to simply pick what appear to be random quotes that are not discussing the main subject of PM's chapter?

PM omitted any mention of the 1,700+ architects and engineers who have signed on to a petition at AE911Truth demanding a new scientific investigation of the towers' destruction. They are now represented by 43 technical and building professionals who appear in the new documentary film, 9/11: Explosive Evidence - Experts Speak Out, which lays out the incontrovertible evidence for the explosive nature of these high-speed ejections. The speeds of these ejections of pulverized building materials have been calculated at 160 to 200 feet per second.

PM then proceeds to cite the opinions of demolition experts regarding the ejections. One of the people cited is Mark Loizeaux, president of Controlled Demolition, Inc., whom PM quotes as saying that 9/11 Truth experts are wrong about their interpretation of the ejections.

"If you look at any building that is imploded, the explosives are primarily placed on the ground floor and the basement," Loizeaux stated. "Why? Because you want to remove the columns when you have the majority of that stored potential energy above where you're taking the columns out. You want to release as much energy as possible. If you look at the collapse of the structures, they start collapsing up where the planes hit. They don't start collapsing down below." Loizeaux said even if explosives have been placed on the upper floors they would have generated significantly more dust and debris than mere "puffs." (pg. 51)

Loizeaux's argument contains two premises, that (a) demolitions are always started at the bottom of a structure, and (b) explosives would have created far more dust and debris had they been placed at the top. His first premise is simply wrong, as demolitions can be started anywhere in a structure with the right amount and placement of explosives. And the demolitions of the Towers would need to start near where the planes impacted, as explained by researcher Jim Hoffman:

[A]s part of a psychological operation, the controlled demolition of the Twin Towers would be designed to support a false narrative of events (that the plane crashes caused the collapses), so of course the events were engineered to have the destruction start around the crash zones.[v]

As for his second point, that the explosives would have produced far more dust and debris than mere puffs, one has to wonder if Loizeaux has even seen any videos or photos of the Towers' collapses.

The destruction of the Twin Towers created massive amounts of debris, which contradicts the claims of Controlled Demolition president Mark Loizeaux

Despite Loizeaux's claims to the contrary, demolitions can be started anywhere in a building where they may be necessary.[vi] But PM then proceeds to quote Loizeaux as saying that "the explosives configuration manufacturing technology [to bring down those buildings] does not exist." (pg. 51) According to Loizeaux, the biggest commercially available charges will not cut through steel columns more than three inches thick. However, there are two problems with Loizeaux's argument. First, AE911Truth proposed that the explosives may have actually been used to attack the weld connections of the Tower columns, not the columns themselves. As AE911Truth writes,

Many of the core box columns found in the WTC rubble had concave sides. Most were broken straight across at the weld points. Often, one side of the column's welds [was found to have been] deeply oxidized and even torn away. Explosions ripping across the weld points, as explained by Gordon Ross, offer an explosive hypothesis that demonstrates a mechanism with results resembling observations in the WTC rubble.[vii]

The weld connections would not have required as much explosive force to break them. However, even if the columns were directly attacked by the explosives, we should question how factual Loizeaux's claims are concerning the cutting power of cutter charges. As early as 1997, the Lawrence Livermore Laboratory developed shaped charges that were able to penetrate 3.4 meters [approx. 134 inches] of high-strength armor steel.[viii] Clearly Loizeaux's claims are contradicted by this fact alone. And of course, one of the primary types of explosives posited as being used to destroy the Towers is nanothermite, another technology Loizeaux claims doesn't exist.[ix]

In PM's next attempt to discredit the 9/11 Truth movement, the writers cite Dr. Zdenek Bažant to rebut claims made by Dr. Steven Jones. Although PM's intention in citing Bažant is to further the theory that the Towers collapsed from natural forces, parts of Bažant's claims actually contradict PM's earlier arguments, as summarized by David Ray Griffin:

Our authors also unwittingly contradict NIST in their discussion of Zdenek Bažant, whom they had asked about a criticism, made by Jones, of a paper Bažant had co-authored with Yong Zhou on why the WTC buildings collapsed. Jones had argued that this paper was fatally flawed by its assumption that the steel columns were exposed to temperatures above 800°C (1,472°F). In his reply, Bazant said: "Today [it] is clear that the temperatures were much lower." He even suggested that they may have been "less than 400°C." Bažant went on to claim that this difference was unimportant for his analysis. Be that as it may, it involves a huge contradiction with NIST's analysis (as distinct from its empirical data), according to which steel was exposed to fires of 1,000°C (1,800°F). Bažant's statements — that the fire may have been less than 400°C — also contradicts the impression, which PM tries to create, that some of the steel was heated to up to 980°C (1,800°F). Did PM's right hand not know what its left hand was doing?[x]

Griffin also addresses the claims that New Mexico Tech professor Van Romero was misquoted about saying the Towers looked as if they were brought down via demolition:

If the PM authors [had] been honest reporters, they would have pointed out that, in the first Albuquerque Journal story written by Olivier Uyttebrouck, Romero was quoted as having said: "My opinion is, based on the videotapes, that after the airplanes hit the World Trade Center there were some explosive devices inside the buildings that caused the towers to collapse." Also, saying that the collapse of the buildings were "too methodical" to be the chance result of the airplane impacts, Romero added: "It would be difficult for something from the plane to trigger an event like that." Romero was hardly misquoted.[xi]

PM finishes up this section by claiming that Loizeaux has been accused of being part of the conspiracy to destroy the Towers. However, they provide not a single example of anyone who has actually said this. Certainly no prominent member of the 9/11 Truth movement has made this accusation. This is clearly another attempt on PM's part to play on the emotions of its readers.

[i] Quoted from: High Velocity Bursts of Debris From Point-Like Sources in the WTC Towers, by Kevin Ryan, pg. 4  http://www.journalof911studies.com/volume/2007/Ryan_HVBD.pdf

[ii] Quoted from: National Swindle on the World Trade Center, by Dr. Crockett Grabbe

[iii] That article can be read here:  http://www.sealane.org/writings/NISTresp2.html

[iv] Quoted from:  http://911research.wtc7.net/reviews/nist/WTC_FAQ_reply.html

[v] Examples of demolitions starting at the midway and top of a building:  link to www.youtube.com

[vi] Quoted from:  link to www.ae911truth.org

[vii] See:  http://www.globalsecurity.org/military/systems/munitions/bullets2-shaped-charge.htm

[viii] See:  http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=QoZnr4Fma6c#t=6m10s

[ix] Quoted from: Debunking 9/11 Debunking, by David Ray Griffin, pg. 254

[x] Ibid. pg. 255

[xi] Ibid.


Destruction of Twin Towers & WTC #7 on 9/11 were Controlled Demolitions 06.Apr.2013 11:14

9/11 Was an Inside Job

The photographs and videos of the WTC site immediately after the destruction of the Twin Towers on 9/11 show no stack of "pancaked" floors remaining from the destruction of the Twin Towers. The absence of any "pancaked" floors from the Twin Towers proves that the Twin Towers did not experience a "pancake collapse".

The massive explosions that destroyed the Twin Towers from top to bottom pulverized the Towers' concrete into dust, shredded the Tower's contents into tiny fragments, and threw steel girders onto nearby buildings. The explosions within the Twin Towers threw debris 600 feet in every direction, creating a debris field that was about 1500 feet in diameter, covering the entire WTC complex and impacting the neighboring structures. In that sense, the Twin Towers did not exactly "fall into their own footprint"; the exploding Towers spread their debris more thinly, and over a wider area, than "their own footprint".

The total destruction of the Twin Towers and WTC Building #7 on 9/11 were obvious Controlled Demolitions, and the total destruction of the Twin Towers was planned by the US Government and Corporate Mafia perpetrators of the 9/11 Attacks, who wanted the Twin Towers to be eliminated entirely, along with all of their contents and all of the people within.