ANIMAL RIGHTS ACTIVISM WILL RETURN

Stupid enough.

Hear me out: if you're using the IMC wire, you know damn well ulta right political operatives and police informers lurk on the site. It's great you want to do "face to face" work, but there's a way to do it without looking like a big ass honeypot.

You GET OVER IT. And offer options besides vague suggestions of "making a big PETA-like drama whores of ourselves and getting arrested for nothing".

Rarely has any effective animal rights activism come from PETAish tactics. OTOH infiltrating and documenting abuse is golden, and is NOT planned online on a public message board.

And you are not hard to find for someone who knows what they're doing online. Ergo anyone publicly discussing taking you up on your ill planned announcement will not be hard to find. LONG before you can get to "face to face". FYI.

sigh, after reading your post it left me to wonder if you had anything to offer other then criticism. what do you suggest the activists do if they want to get folks thinking about renewing their efforts and energy, getting off their duffs and helping the animals.very easy to pull apart the suggestions of others without offering any of your own. so, to the point, i would be interested in hearing some ideas from you as to how one goes about organizing and working together to benefit the animals still left within cages, still waiting to be killed in the name of vivisection, entertainment, food, clothing and money. you now have the floor and my ears.

>>>>>>OTOH infiltrating and documenting abuse is golden, and is NOT planned online on a public message board.

Golly-Gee Portland has really become a city of tuck your tails and roll over and play dead people. Heck I remember a time when Craig Rosebraugh and the Liberation Collective was in full swing. It was nothing to see the animal activists link themselves together with barrels of cement or use old junkers to block the entrance to the OHSU Primate Center. Now everyone seems afraid of their own shadow. They seem to have lost not only their voices but their convictions as well. Don't mean to point fingers or name call but Portland is like a retirement community where people sit around the wood stove and reminisce about what things were like in the "good old days." Now, you can't say this or you best not do that or you'll find the sheriff knocking on your door. Best to just hold that there tongue, don't make waves and learn to just put up with things and people around you. Don't make a fuss or draw attention to yourself, you don't want to stir things up. Just shut your pie-hole and blend in with everyone else around you. Well, I for one am NOT ready for the rocking chair or the Depends! There are still animals out there being tortured, abused and killed in the name of science. Bogus science, backed by big pharmaceutical companies, corporations, universities, hospitals and the National Institute of Health. Have you become so complacent that you are going to allow them to continue wasting tax dollars on fraudulent cures, misplaced hope, lies and deceit. Then when a small group or an individual proposes we get ourselves back on track and help bring about needed change, save the animals and educate the public, all you can do is criticize and tell them they are either going about it ass backwards or that they are arsonists/informants/have shit for brains and yet you never offer a worthwhile suggestion, a word of encouragement/praise, or an offer of help toward what is seen as a need to help those who cannot help themselves. For those who say it cannot be done, you should not get in the way of those who are doing it.

stopped reading right there

 https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Craig_Rosebraugh
In January 2004, with the financial backing of his parents, Rosebraugh opened Calendula, then Portland's only all-vegan and organic restaurant. The restaurant was named one of the best vegetarian restaurants in North America in 2004 by Veg News Magazine. He was criticized in the local press for his treatment of his employees and for failing to adhere to principles he had espoused. Employees that he fired joined the Wobblies union which organized a boycott of the restaurant.[11][21] Rosebraugh spent $3,000 to defend himself in ads in the local alternative press.[21] Other employees came to Rosebraugh's defense, accusing the IWW union as misguided and "barking up the wrong tree."[22] He closed the restaurant in September 2004, and reopened it for a short time in December of that year.[21][23] The restaurant closed its doors for good late in 2005.

still trying to FORGET that douchbag

>>>Then when a small group or an individual proposes we get ourselves back on track and help bring about needed change, save the animals and educate the public, all you can do is criticize and tell them they are either going about it ass backwards or that they are arsonists/informants/have shit for brains and yet you never offer a worthwhile suggestion,

please read

>>>OTOH infiltrating and documenting abuse is golden


its like some fucking creeps only want animal rights activists facefagging themselves on camera so everyone can dismiss them as nuts. an intelligent suggesting like infiltrating facilities and getting documentation to release to the public is IGNORED. hmmmmmmmm