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Deadline for de.indymedia (dot)org

In July only a very small number of media activists (from Hamburg,Berlin, and Nuremberg) met in Hamburg at a Germany-wide de.indymedia.org meeting. The meeting was exclusively dedicated to the purpose of discussing if and how the website could be maintained. Against the background of taking stock of the current situation, they decided that spring 2013 should be fixed as a deadline for themselves and the project. Till then, the goal is to find more activists and switch to a new CMS (or, at least, make a start). Should those two goals not be achieved, then de.indymedia.org will be deactivated and archived.
But let's talk about one thing at a time: what's happened?
Deadline for de.indymedia.org
imc-germany 09.11.2012 18:03 Themen: Indymedia

Eleven years ago, the situation was quite different. Only for those who knew somebody with sufficient knowledge about HTML it was reallypossible to publish on the internet. The media acted accordingly and in general the media scene was quite homogeneous. Indymedia was born in Seattle and took up the fight with established news providers by means of openposting. One by one, more Indymedia centres (IMCs) were founded, also in Germany. By now, Germany has two successfully operating IMCs. It is amongst the few non-commercial, political news projects. Even though there is a tendency for articles to be in the Antifa domain, de.indymedia.org is not associated with a particular group. Moderation keeps the content readable. However, we could not but note the following odd circumstance: whereas de.indymedia.org is still seen as vital source of information amongst left activists, there is a decreasing number of people who are posting articles, get involved with moderation, translation and technical maintenance etc. ... that is: people who are willing to actively engage in the network. It seems, many have forgotten that "you are Indymedia, too." Indymedia works and it must work. Full stop. User expectations of the following kinds have been cherished: "Why is there no article on ...?", "We urgently need a feature on ...!" are subjects of emails sent around on the contact mailing list on a daily basis. Of course, the internet has changed: nobody needs an IT-training to run a blog, which is why there is an innumerable set of such sites.The "crowd" has created the biggest encyclopedia of the world and keeps expanding it. OpenSource Software and Linux are not anymore things that only freaky nerds are capable of using. Rather, a big developers community makes sure that also those not so programming-savvy activists can use the software who just want to edit a film or images.Furthermore, openposting got commercialised: it is easy for anybody topost their content on video-, image-, weblog- and social network sites. Financially strong corporations guarantee the functioning of such sites. But as far as the conditions are concerned ...

What do we still need Indymedia for?

Of course, this means Indymedia lacks one particular uniqueness feature nowadays: it is hardly still possible to hush up actions these days. Rather, the main problem is that information gets lost in white noise (one of the reasons Google is amongst the biggest firms in the world). Amongst other reasons, this is why de.indymedia.org is still an important channel of communication when it comes to actions of left activists. Here you can find information by and for activists. But even more importantly: the site is run by a collective, not a shareholder. This is a feature many people do not properly appreciate. Furthermore, the stance of the network is crucial, that is, it has a political stance: Nazis, sexism, or the like are unwelcome. Readers, naturally, notice this stance and - rightly so - monitor it closely.

What's going wrong?

On the one hand, users are frustrated because certain contents do notfeature on the site anymore or because contents remain temporarilyunmoderated. Often, Nazis cause trouble for too long. As a result,people criticise the moderators and insinuate that they've intentionally omitted or allowed certain things to happen. But, de facto, there are just too few moderators. And that's the situation for about a year now. Which again leads to frustration on the part of the moderators. For at least four years now, attempts are being made to develop a new content management system (CMS), i.e., software that provides the functionality of the site. For more details, have a look at this feature from 2009.But these attempts have not succeeded so far. Many sites in theIndymedia network are being given up or are not active anymore, such as our neighbours from IMC Austria this summer. Often, though, this has nothing to do with software issues: it happens regularly that reports on actions that are supposed to appear in mainstream media outlets are designed very carefully so as not to make anybody feel offended. Indymedia is then often just provided with a copy of the respective press statement, in spite of the possibility to publish much more critically and freely written texts on the site. Many initiatives still confuse Indymedia with a leaflet rack. Here, we still experience a problem in communication.


Of course, every one of us is spoilt by the possibilities of theweb-2.0-world. Understandably, the eleven-year-old Indymedia CMS cannot keep up with the corresponding expectations anymore. The fact that many users do not upload images together with their articles anymore, but use commercial image upload platforms instead, may serve as one example. Moreover, the division into users and moderators is in fact outdated. Many users would like to get more involved in editing the site, be it to delete Nazi posts or put pieces on the Newswire, without desiring to receive full administration permissions. Many users do not want to bear the responsibility associated with such full administration permissions. With respect to this aspect, a user system that is scaled in a more sophisticated way could help to involve more people. Also, users are usually used to be able to edit and update their own published pieces, which is not possible with the current software.

The Alternative

Many IMCs switched to Standard-OpenSource-CMS: Drupal or HyperActive as Indymedia solution are based on Ruby on Rails. A new software development for de.indymedia.org is, however, infeasible given the current number of contributors. Currently, a couple of steadfast contributors are trying to adapt Drupal such that user moderation becomes possible. That is, so that users can vote on certain pieces and can re-edit their own submissions to the website. Drupal is a very active project with a big software developers community. Thus, the main part of the development is not left to IMC activists but to OpenSource developers. At the moment, so-called 'modules' are being tested and the CSS for de.indymedia.org is in the works (project at GitHub). Many view user moderation as key for the project to continue. It would be a deviceto involve many people on a temporary basis so that they do not have to commit inflexibly. It will then suffice to have only a few permanent contributors who attend to the core moderation.

Going commercial would be an alternative, too, wouldn't it?

For sure, everybody can post their pieces on commercial sites for free(for example with one of the usual weblog providers). However, it always needs to be understood: multinational corporations can change statutes and terms of use at any point in time, be it due to dubious investors or due to the influencing of repressive security services. Then, those sites will disappear overnight and forever. Of course, it is possible to file a suit, but that usually doesn't help much in the current action. If it is "just" about the creation of blogs, though, then there exist indeed a couple of alternatives already for some time now that are run by collectives. Have a look at this page for more information.

Hence: a Call!

Every user should ask themselves how much importance they attach to the project. The community is faced with the question whether it still needs de.indymedia.org as a platform of publication. In the recent years, fewer and fewer people were willing to make an effort for preserving the network. Provided we cannot find more active contributors, who commit to project more than it is the case now, then de.indymedia.org will very likely dissolve in spring/summer 2013. A deadline is important for us because we want to avoid for the project to pine away and end as spam site, such as it has happened with other Indymedia projects. (See Indymedia DK for instance.) If we just acted according to the motto "may the last one turn off the lights" then it would lead to de.indymedia.org just being taken off the internet at some point due to unpaid bills. To prevent that from happening, we have decided to ideally keep de.indymedia.org running as a platform of publication after the deadline has passed or, should it pass without result, to archive the site and try in a last strenuous effort to raise funds for the purpose of paying the bills for the next couple of years. On top of that, we think it would be a shame if the popularity of de.indymedia.org would not amount to much more. Thus, we would try to convert the site into a collection of news, such that pieces from different blogs would appear automatically on the site. (Similar to BeTheMedia.org.uk)

One Request

Before entering into a wild battle of addenda, please consider signingup for  imc-germany@lists.indymedia.org to take part in the discussion.That would make the whole discussion easier and clearer. (Watch out,this list can also be publicly browsed by search engines, so maybe don't use your private email address for this purpose.)

Source;  http://de.indymedia.org/2012/11/337538.shtml
Related:  http://ceasefiremagazine.co.uk/indymedia-its-time-move/

#Thanks for reading this far, from a concerned portland indymedia advocate, now let us all rise in indy unity together.

homepage: homepage: http://portland.indymedia.org/

.......... 02.Mar.2013 13:12


I think watching went on via the internet in regards to things like the occupy movement was interesting, probably somewhat important. The rest is tough because most people have their own little spheres of communication already. Some people get tired of posting their material and seeing it shit on by people of differing ideologies (if I contributed to this I'm sorry. Personal vendetta and I didn't start it) If one group of people reports here it only works if another group of equal energy posts here. I post with the anti Israel crowd, but I respond to antisemitism even though I'm a Palestinian activist. Where there are zionists I go into verbal blows with them. But lately I've noticed PDXIMC's been pretty defunct. I think is either a reaction to the fallout of the occupy movement, or a sign of chronic idealogical divisions. But there are no liberals here, Animal Rights (liberation) activists, anti capitalist anti statists. Its me, a handful of regulars, antifa patroling, another Anarchist and a handful of antisemites, though many of them have kind of been shood off. Quality articles might help. Maybe I'll start being (pointedly for once) indulgant and start posting about my experiences in Israel/Palestine.

The people in Hebron are the sweetest most idealistic people you will ever meet...

agree with above comment mostly 02.Mar.2013 22:18


>>>But lately I've noticed PDXIMC's been pretty defunct. I think is either a reaction to the fallout of the occupy movement, or a sign of chronic idealogical divisions. But there are no liberals here, Animal Rights (liberation) activists, anti capitalist anti statists. Its me, a handful of regulars, antifa patroling, another Anarchist and a handful of antisemites, though many of them have kind of been shood off.

if we're being honest the PDXIMC community got hacked/socially engineered by antisemite groups at least since 2004 culminating in the wcw fiasco of 2006. with the exception of antifa, many groups were partially or temporarily co-oped by ultra right radicals.
 link to www.demotix.com
 link to rosecityantifa.weebly.com
quote: "I feel obligated to point out, once again, how really, really smarmy the WCW "organizers" were. Shame on them all. Seriously. That had to be a Portland low point: A bunch of half-dead liberals make a call for "mass resistance," and then scream at, hit, push, and POINT OUT TO THE COPS those who responded to their calls."

dude, these aren't liberals. seriously. they may claim to be, but they act like ultra right reactionaries and possibly informers. wcw was organized by the rcp

just sayin. most are gone now but the damage is done
the average person is too naive to know there are cold blooded manipulators. by the time they get a clue most bail from the scene and don't bother to check for something better. the fact is if they did get involved again, their former groups know who they are and aren't shy about acting like creepy shits(scroll down comments)
 link to www.portlandmercury.com

any one wants to know how bad the scene is look at city bikes. why did that shit go on for so long unchallenged?
1 naive activists
2 naive organizers
3 fake activists from the right playing the above off each other(shit all they have to do is show up at meetings and agree yeah, they believe in safe space etc too)

the only leftist group with any clout that can still get shit done in this town is antifa. that's sad.
until the community gets a deeper understanding of how they got blindsided and gets an effective and fair way of censuring people proved to betray community trust these problems will haunt us indefinitely.

look at City Bikes 03.Mar.2013 00:21

old time Towny

What the Antifa crew doesn't seem to understand is there isn't much support for Tim Calvert. His social-conscious friends will tell you that of course he did something stupid but he doesn't care. the man is married to some heiress or something and is independently wealthy. You can't hurt him. He's not a Nazi, but he is careless.

Going after him is futile and meaningless. The people he brought into town is a different story, so drag them through the streets my their eye lids, please. But you can't really get to them and Tim Calvert doesn't care.

Going after City Bikes is worse than meaningless. Continuing to obsessively target City Bikes is worse than a mistake.

In frustration City Bikes is targeted. City Bikes doesn't deserve to be targeted and what get's labeled as Tim Calvert support is most often City Bikes support. Exposing John Langley/rex is fair after all the exposure Antifa dishes out. It is more then fair after targeting City Bikes.

PCH and Red&Black aren't what they used to be, and PDXIMC has got worse because of characters like John Langley who break up our solidarity by moving into town taking over what we've built and pushing insane agendas. Just as much if not more than the Tim Calverts and Truth Alliance. Attacking or boycotting City Bikes is bonkers.

Young people coming into the community today don't even know what Portland was just 10 years ago. All they see is polarizing bickering tactics of main stream media here on IMC. No body listens and right now if you do listen you hear so much yelling is dividing us. Pax once showed me how he hid from people who don't look cool at Red&Black so he didn't have to serve them. People are called Nazis for being open minded on PDXIMC.

People in Portland are still making things happen but not on IMC. We used to use IMC for productive uses and we there were lots of projects, people doing things everywhere in Portland. Portlandia is one reason to blame and Anitfa telling everyone what to do and what to think and taking the Truthers seriously enough to give them something to argue about is to blame. Laziness is to blame.

Doing things is something more importlant that arguing and accusing. Make something and help. That's what City Bikes does. You don't have to look cool to be helped there because City Bikes is an older co-op. Back in the old days that's how it was. We put out energy into useful projects and built community. We didn't try to take over community or push each other around.

It was something like solidarity. No state, but solidarity. No gods no masters, but solidarity.

That was then and this is now. Maybe I'm too oldschool and these white privileged kids really do need something to complain about that bad. I'll tell you that attacking your neighbor is close but not really the same as confronting what you have inside of you. Meanwhile everything is going to pot.

.......... 03.Mar.2013 21:52


I sort of agree with the above comment. It was a bit much even if rca heart was in the right place. I supported the boycott if only I wouldnt buy a bike from a holocaust denier. Time could prove us all wrong though. I did appreciate ending up on the same side of the argument as myself for once. I just hoped that was hashed out in real time. Another reason probably is also the internet will only take us so far. Look at Facebook. That fads dying. And fucking let it. But antisemitism in general is also a factor. But then again these people have played their hand. We know where some of them stand and that's been a positive. But in regards for the quality of the site, again catagorizing this shit would have gone a mile in placating everyone. I don't know what that possibility even was. But it was fucking insessant there for a minute. I mean, you want a reason to be angry at Israel, I got 99 and they all involve unarmed kids and my Jewish ass. But I'm not going to share that with a bunch of antisemites.

@pepe above 04.Mar.2013 01:22


IMC works better as a cross section of the activist scene. But if its one group doing all the talking, what's the point you can go somewhere else and not deal with casual antisemitism. Maybe you should try to open up a dialogue in your community about all this. (dont fucking reference me). Its not just an Anarchist thing its that no one here seems to have anything to say. Period. Even I only come here out of habit or boredom. But one reason why this is defunct, is that the internet kind of just becomes futile after a while.

ooh wait came to me 04.Mar.2013 06:21


Ooh ooh wait. O.k. Two years ago I used indymedia to shit on the radical community. I was bitter, I was also being somewhat genuine even if it was being obscured and yes, perverted by my own anger. There are obviously problems. I being two years removed and never really having deep enough ties can't do this correctly. But maybe that's what indymedia can serve as, a place to voice your frustration.

Anarchisms an ethics based community (or when juxtoposed to our environment "political")as my favorite (and genuinely inspiring) activist would agree (has.) Were a collectivist culture, or so we strive for it. Anarchism starts with the individual. You dismantle the attitudes in your immediate environment that you feel are negative, violate boundaries, alllow people to impose unjustiable dominance or an easily exploitable.

You could use indymedia to voice your frustrations, (no I'm not going to mediate or even bother to weigh in.) If this is how you feel, this is your community. If not here, then in real time you have a right to voice your frustration. Its your community. Apathy is death. But if people can't take the criticism, then they shouldn't be in an ethics based community especially if they're not activists. Those who are secure enough (ya girl) will stand it, communicateback how they feel (hope an antisemitebdoesnt pick up on it and troll you). Those who ignore rape accusations in favor of a style of music glorifying the hard work and dedication shouldbat least feel the frustrations of those who are being frustrated...and stuff.

But no ones here. You're not airing your dirty laundry. Its a fucking ghost town around here. But if anyone feels comfortable enough to declare themselves morally absolute, not in the face of the state but in the face of each other, somethings not working. Shit be stagnant.

If not here anonymously, then in real time. Either way friends hold otherbfriends accountable.

sorry 04.Mar.2013 06:38


Also when I did say what I said I did a whole bunch of shit I didn't mean but I said a bunch of shit I did. The point is that even being a dick I was vindicated simply in saying what I felt even if in the end it degenerated into me taking my anger out on the wrong person (I ever find that troll oh boy your ass is mine). As long as its genuine. As long is your ends are true...and shit



how's the rca plan to take over citybikes coming? 31.Mar.2013 21:55

Anarchist biker

how's the rca plans to take over citybikes coming?

when will I be able to go to citybikes and know I'm supporting the rca?

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same as it ever was 29.Apr.2013 14:18


Seven months after the brew-haha around Citybikes Workers' Cooperative:
--Tim Calvert still has a job;
--the shop is still in business; and

the Radical Left remains little more than a circular firing squad.

Have at it.