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Granting No Quarter: A Call for the Disavowal of the Racism and Antisemitism of Gilad Atzm

Closet anti-semites pretending to be Palestinian solidarity activists hate this article. Guess that means its time to Mirror it.
From a REAL Palestinian website:  link to uspcn.org
Granting No Quarter: A Call for the Disavowal of the Racism and Antisemitism of Gilad Atzmon

- March 13, 2012

For many years now, Gilad Atzmon, a musician born in Israel and currently living in the United Kingdom, has taken on the self-appointed task of defining for the Palestinian movement the nature of our struggle, and the philosophy underpinning it. He has done so through his various blogs and Internet outlets, in speeches, and in articles. He is currently on tour in the United States promoting his most recent book, entitled, 'The Wandering Who.'

With this letter, we call for the disavowal of Atzmon by fellow Palestinian organizers, as well as Palestine solidarity activists, and allies of the Palestinian people, and note the dangers of supporting Atzmon's political work and writings and providing any platforms for their dissemination. We do so as Palestinian organizers and activists, working across continents, campaigns, and ideological positions.

Atzmon's politics rest on one main overriding assertion that serves as springboard for vicious attacks on anyone who disagrees with his obsession with "Jewishness". He claims that all Jewish politics is "tribal," and essentially, Zionist. Zionism, to Atzmon, is not a settler-colonial project, but a trans-historical "Jewish" one, part and parcel of defining one's self as a Jew. Therefore, he claims, one cannot self-describe as a Jew and also do work in solidarity with Palestine, because to identify as a Jew is to be a Zionist. We could not disagree more. Indeed, we believe Atzmon's argument is itself Zionist because it agrees with the ideology of Zionism and Israel that the only way to be a Jew is to be a Zionist.

Palestinians have faced two centuries of orientalist, colonialist and imperialist domination of our native lands. And so as Palestinians, we see such language as immoral and completely outside the core foundations of humanism, equality and justice, on which the struggle for Palestine and its national movement rests. As countless Palestinian activists and organizers, their parties, associations and campaigns, have attested throughout the last century, our struggle was never, and will never be, with Jews, or Judaism, no matter how much Zionism insists that our enemies are the Jews. Rather, our struggle is with Zionism, a modern European settler colonial movement, similar to movements in many other parts of the world that aim to displace indigenous people and build new European societies on their lands.

We reaffirm that there is no room in this historic and foundational analysis of our struggle for any attacks on our Jewish allies, Jews, or Judaism; nor denying the Holocaust; nor allying in any way shape or form with any conspiracy theories, far-right, orientalist, and racist arguments, associations and entities. Challenging Zionism, including the illegitimate power of institutions that support the oppression of Palestinians, and the illegitimate use of Jewish identities to protect and legitimize oppression, must never become an attack on Jewish identities, nor the demeaning and denial of Jewish histories in all their diversity.

Indeed, we regard any attempt to link and adopt antisemitic or racist language, even if it is within a self-described anti-imperialist and anti-Zionist politics, as reaffirming and legitimizing Zionism. In addition to its immorality, this language obscures the fundamental role of imperialism and colonialism in destroying our homeland, expelling its people, and sustaining the systems and ideologies of oppression, apartheid and occupation. It leaves one squarely outside true solidarity with Palestine and its people.

The goal of the Palestinian people has always been clear: self determination. And we can only exercise that inalienable right through liberation, the return of our refugees (the absolute majority of our people) and achieving equal rights to all through decolonization. As such, we stand with all and any movements that call for justice, human dignity, equality, and social, economic, cultural and political rights. We will never compromise the principles and spirit of our liberation struggle. We will not allow a false sense of expediency to drive us into alliance with those who attack, malign, or otherwise attempt to target our political fraternity with all liberation struggles and movements for justice.

As Palestinians, it is our collective responsibility, whether we are in Palestine or in exile, to assert our guidance of our grassroots liberation struggle. We must protect the integrity of our movement, and to do so we must continue to remain vigilant that those for whom we provide platforms actually speak to its principles.

When the Palestinian people call for self-determination and decolonization of our homeland, we do so in the promise and hope of a community founded on justice, where all are free, all are equal and all are welcome.

Until liberation and return.

Signed:

Ali Abunimah

Naseer Aruri, Professor Emeritus, University of Massachusetts, Dartmouth

Omar Barghouti, human rights activist

Hatem Bazian, Chair, American Muslims for Palestine

Andrew Dalack, National Coordinating Committee, US Palestinian Community Network

Haidar Eid, Gaza

Nada Elia, US Academic and Cultural Boycott of Israel

Toufic Haddad

Kathryn Hamoudah

Adam Hanieh, Lecturer, School of Oriental and African Studies (SOAS), London

Mostafa Henaway, Tadamon! Canada

Monadel Herzallah, National Coordinating Committee, US Palestinian Community Network

Nadia Hijab, author and human rights advocate

Andrew Kadi

Hanna Kawas, Chair person, Canada Palestine Association and Co-Host Voice of Palestine

Abir Kobty, Palestinian blogger and activist

Joseph Massad, Professor, Columbia University, NY

Danya Mustafa, Israeli Apartheid Week US National Co-Coordinator & Students for Justice in Palestine- University of New Mexico

Dina Omar, Columbia Students for Justice in Palestine

Haitham Salawdeh, National Coordinating Committee, US Palestinian Community Network

Sobhi Samour, School of Oriental and African Studies (SOAS), London

Khaled Ziada, SOAS Palestine Society, London

Rafeef Ziadah, poet and human rights advocate

homepage: homepage: http://uspcn.org/2012/03/13/granting-no-quarter-a-call-for-the-disavowal-of-the-racism-and-antisemitism-of-gilad-atzmon/


This Is Libel 04.Feb.2013 02:03

blues

Gilad Atzmon is a heroic figure among the Jewish people.

He is simply anti-war.

These "scholars" merely support more war-mongering. Jews in America reject them now. We cannot afford any more wars. Define yourself through war, and you are damned.

get a life already 04.Feb.2013 06:10

.............

Don't he's a troll who's scowled the internet looking for me. Just ignore him.

He is a troll though. If he gets out of hand please ban him. He's openly stalking me.

How can anyone stalk an anonymous IMC user? 04.Feb.2013 09:28

@

Openly or otherwise? No one knows who "............." is. In fact I suspect more than one IMC reader uses "............." lol

Pathetic

@@ 04.Feb.2013 11:50

.............

You're right, there are many readers named "........." at indymedia. Gosh I had no idea I was being stalked. I wonder by who?

Ali Abuninimah and Joseph Massad, et al, are war mongers? 04.Feb.2013 14:57

notanasshole

You antisemites can't handle it when real Palestinian activists come out against antisemitism. Just as you "truthers" really can't handle the truth.

The Atzmon Defamation League (ADL) 04.Feb.2013 20:39

by Gilad Atzmon

Saturday, March 3rd, 2012

At the bottom of that page you will find the current and most updated list of individuals who believe that the Palestinian solidarity movement should operate as a Stalinist synagogue. The Atzmon Defamation League is a list of a few Tribal Marxists and one angry Arab collaborator who added their name to an open declaration. They all agree that Atzmon should be silenced.

Amidst the success of my latest book The Wandering Who and my current USA coast to coast tour, the Atzmon Defamation league is in a state of a panic. They have a good reason: my very simple message spreads very fast, and it questions — If Israel defines itself as the Jewish State and its tanks are decorated with Jewish symbols, then aren't we entitled to ask who are the Jews? What is Judaism? What is Jewishness? And what are the relationships between those three?

So far, my American tour seems to progress very well. My very experienced tour manager insists that it is actually a breakthrough. In spite of the Zionist and the Anti Zionist Zionists' (AZZ) relentless campaign against me, I give a talk every night, I give three to five interviews a day (radio and TV), I meet the most wonderful people on this planet, I speak about Jazz, Jewishness and apartheid, and I explore the true meaning of the Jewish State and its lobbies around the world.

And yet, my detractors seem to be devastated. My personal Defamation League is clearly outraged by some of my statements — they insist that I am a 'racist' and 'anti Semitic'. They contend that people like me do not have room in the 'Palestinian solidarity movement'. Is it that they know better who is 'kosher' and who is not?

Yet, in spite of their efforts they have still failed to find even a single racist or anti semitic statement in my entire body of work. As embarrassing as it may be, in the list of quotes they cherry picked, I actually refer to Jewish ideology, Jewish culture and Jewish heritage — but I never criticise Jews as a race, a people or an ethnicity. The reason is obvious: I am a humanist and an anti racist. I oppose Jewish racism and exceptionalism, whether it is Zionist or 'anti' Zionist.

If anything, the list of quotes that was initially put together to defame me, actually achieves the complete opposite: it stands as a glimpse into Jewish Marxist morbid philosophy. And it certainly suggests what the topics are that the Anti Zionist Zionists want us to avoid.

They for instance, do not want us to explore the colonial hoax — They quote my attack on one of their ideological mentors, the archaic Two-Stater Marxist, Moshe Machover:

"Machover's reading of Zionism is pretty trivial. 'Israel,' he says, is a 'settler state.' For Machover this is a necessary point of departure because it sets Zionism as a colonialist expansionist project. The reasoning behind such a lame intellectual spin is obvious. As long as Zionism is conveyed as a colonial project, Jews, as a people, should be seen as ordinary people. They are no different from the French and the English, they just happen to run their deadly colonial project in a different time." ( http://www.gilad.co.uk/)

Where is the problem exactly? Is it really anti-Semitic or racist to suggest that the Marxist colonial paradigm is a lame spin? Clearly not: it may be right or wrong but it isn't anti-Semitic. The truth of the matter is that Israel and Zionism are not colonial projects and have never been. Colonialism presents a clear materialist and spiritual exchange between a Mother State and a Settler State. But the Jewish State has never had a Mother State. In other words, Israel is a Jewish nationalist settlement project and its Jewishness is inherent to its racist, tribal, exceptionalist nature.

My Private Defamation League also wants to prevent us from looking into Jewish heritage and the role of the Old Testament in shaping the unethical Israeli attitudes, politics and practices. They quote me saying,

"The never-ending robbery of Palestine by Israel in the name of the Jewish people establishes a devastating spiritual, ideological, cultural and, obviously, practical continuum between the Judaic Bible and the Zionist project. The crux of the matter is simple yet disturbing: Israel and Zionism are both successful political systems that put into devastating practice the plunder promised by the Judaic God in the Judaic holy scriptures". ("Swindler's List: Zionist Plunder and the Judaic Bible," Redress Information & Analysis, April 5, 2008)

I am trying to figure it out: why, exactly, are a bunch of alleged 'progressive' Jews and one Angry Arab opposing a search into the topic?

The answer is immediate: they obviously realise that in my writing I do not differentiate between Zionism and Anti Zionist Zionists. As far as I am concerned, they are both equally racist and supremacist.

"Sadly, we have to admit that hate-ridden plunder of other people's possessions made it into the Jewish political discourse both on the left and right. The Jewish nationalist would rob Palestine in the name of the right of self-determination; the Jewish progressive is there to rob the ruling class and even international capital in the name of world working class revolution".(Ibid)

Is it really racist to criticise Israel or Jewish Marxism ala Bund? Are Jewish political ideologies beyond criticism? Is this the true meaning of chosen-ness?

The Atzmon Defamation League wouldn't allow us to discuss Jewish ideological supremacy. For some reason they are convinced that there is something wrong in my suggesting that,

"I do not consider the Jews to be a race, and yet it is obvious that "Jewishness" clearly involves an ethno-centric and racially supremacist, exclusivist point of view that is based on a sense of Jewish "chosen-ness." ("An Interesting Exchange With A Jewish Anti Zionist")

The message is clear: The Atzmon Defamation League contends that Jews are somehow special and beyond criticism — but they won't allow us explore this specialness

The Atzmon Defamation League is pretty amusing, in spite of the fact that the league is engaged in a rabbinical excommunication exercise against me. They are criticising me for pointing out what the Jewish Herem exercise is all about.

"Neither the Zionists nor the 'anti Zionists' managed to drift away from the disastrous herem culture. it seems that the entire world of Jewish identity politics is a matrix of herems and exclusion strategies. In order to be 'a proper Jew,' all you have to do is to point out whom you oppose, hate, exclude or boycott." ("The Herem Law in the context of Jewish Past and Present,")

My Defamation League doesn't want the Jews to learn or understand their past. Like Zionists, they want to control the vision of Jewish history. Hence I am quoted saying ,

"Within the discourse of Jewish politics and history there is no room for causality. There is no such a thing as a former and a latter. Within the Jewish tribal discourse every narrative starts to evolve when Jewish pain establishes itself. This obviously explains why Israelis and some Jews around the world can only think as far as 'two state solution' within the framework of 1967 borders. It also explains why for most Jews the history of the holocaust starts in the gas chambers or with the rise of the Nazis. I have hardly seen any Israelis or Jews attempt to understand the circumstances that led to the clear resentment of Europeans towards their Jewish neighbours in the 1920′s-40′s." (Jewish Ideology and World Peace,")

Needless to say that I am very proud by each of the quotes picked by my private detractor league. This bunch of Anti Zionist Zionists attempt to block any possible criticism of Jewish identity politics and Jewish history. Like any hard core Zionist my Marxist Defamation League succumbs to the vision that Jews are somehow special. They must believe that Jewish history, culture, ideology and identity are beyond criticism.

But they don't stand a chance. We will open this discourse. We will celebrate our freedom to think, to exchange and to explore.

Tragically enough, the Atzmon Defamation League, refrains from engaging in an intellectual or ideological exchange. The meaning of it is devastating. Like the Zionists, the so called Jewish 'anti' Zionists have managed to exclude themselves from the most crucial discourse regarding Jewish identity politics. Voluntarily and consciously they set themselves apart from the public discourse. They react exactly like the Israelis; they build around themselves a wall of deafness and blindness. This wall is consistent with their Jewish ideological philosophy but it is also symptomatic of their growing irrelevance.
Let's meet the Atzmon Defamation League*

As'ad AbuKhalil, The Angry Collaborator News Service, Turlock CA
Max Ajl, essayist, rabble-rouser, proprietor of Jewbonics blog site, Ithaca NY
Electa Arenal, professor emerita, CUNY Graduate Center/Hispanic & Luso-Brazilian Literatures and Women's Studies, New York NY
Gabriel Ash, International Jewish Anti-Zionist Network, Geneva, SWITZERLAND
Dan Berger, Wild Poppies Collective, Philadelphia PA
Lenni Brenner, author, Zionism in the Age of the Dictator, New York NY
Susie Day, Monthly Review, New York NY
Todd Eaton, Park Slope Food Co-op Members for Boycott/Divestment/Sanctions, Brooklyn NY
S. EtShalom, Registered Nurse, Philadelphia PA
Sherna Berger Gluck, Prof. Emerita, California State University/Israel Divestment Campaign, CA
Andrew Griggs, Café Intifada, Los Angeles CA
Ken Hiebert, activist, Ladysmith, Canada
Elizabeth Horowitz, solidarity activist, New York NY
Karl Kersplebedeb, Left Wing Books, Montreal, CANADA
Mark Klein, activist, Toronto, CANADA
Mark Lance, Georgetown University/Institute for Anarchist Studies, Washington DC
David Landy, author, Jewish Identity and Palestinian Rights: Diaspora Jewish Opposition to Israel, Dublin, IRELAND
Bob Lederer, Pacifica/WBAI producer, Queers Against Israeli Apartheid, New York NY
Matthew Lyons, Three Way Fight, Philadelphia PA
Karen MacRae, solidarity activist, Toronto, CANADA
Marvin Mandell and Betty Reid Mandell, co-editors, New Politics, West Roxbury MA
Matt Meyer, Resistance in Brooklyn, New York NY
Michael Novick, People Against Racist Terror/Anti-Racist Action, Los Angeles CA
Sylvia Posadas (Jinjirrie), Kadaitcha.com, Don't Play Apartheid Israel, Noosa, AUSTRALIA
Roland Rance, Jews Against Zionism, London, UK
Liz Roberts, War Resisters League, New York NY
Emma Rosenthal, contributor, Shifting Sands: Jewish Women Confront the Israeli Occupation, Los Angeles CA
Ian Saville, performer and lecturer, London, UK
Joel Schwartz, CSEA Local 446, AFSCME, New York NY
Simona Sharoni, SUNY, author, Gender & the Israeli-Palestinian Conflict, Plattsburgh NY
Abraham Weizfeld, author, The End of Zionism and the liberation of the Jewish People, Montreal, CANADA
Laura Whitehorn, former political prisoner, NYS Task Force on Political Prisoners, New York NY
Ben White, author, Palestinians in Israel: Segregation, Discrimination, and Democracy, Cambridge, UK

Surprisingly enough, the ADL list above refrained from adding my arch-detractor Tony Greenstein. Is it because even they do not like to be associated with a person with such a vile past and sad reputation? I plead my private defamation league to show some mercy and comradeship and let Mr. Greenstein settle within their club.


lol@Gilad Atzmon 04.Feb.2013 21:29

haha

imc deleted his wall of text so he's spamming another.

hey why don't you go bother your friend alison weir in this thread:

 http://portland.indymedia.org/en/2013/02/421667.shtml

nvd looks like imc deleted that too!!!!

passive/aggressive much? 04.Feb.2013 21:44

geez

"At the bottom of that page you will find the current and most updated list of individuals who believe that the Palestinian solidarity movement should operate as a Stalinist synagogue."

In other words people who don't tolerate antisemitism should be equated with something that never existed? I think you're trying to say Stalinist gulag or something, cuz there were no synagogues under Stalinism. Either way it sounds so manipulative and whiny.

Less than a year ago a parade of local antisemities whined and bawwed and whined Antifa were brownshirts for calling them on their shit. You know one of them: Tim Calvert. When his organizing with racists and bombers put the final nail in the 9/11 truth alliance coffin, Calvert was all, "well, 9/11 truth is so five minutes ago and i think the REAL reason I'm being persecuted is my PALESTINIAN ACTIVISM."

Except this was all garbage cuz Antifa supports Palestinian solidarity. The problem was Calvert's racist ORGANIZING.

Fast forward today. Out of the blue comes Atzmon(Weir probably sent him a link), and he's "boo boo boo the Palestinians won't let me play".

MAN UP. Either drop organizing, networking and defending Nazi friendly freaks or stop whining when you're called on it.

News flash biatch: THE PALESTINIANS DON'T NEED YOU.

That is all.

" cuz there were no synagogues under Stalinism " 04.Feb.2013 22:10

Lol You Didn't Get It Either

(the moron wrote) QUOTE:
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In other words people who don't tolerate antisemitism should be equated with something that never existed? I think you're trying to say Stalinist gulag or something, cuz there were no synagogues under Stalinism.
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I think you missed (it. The Point. The Big Enchilada.)


Allow me to elaborate. (Apologies to Gilad) Here's his quote:
" [ ... ] individuals who believe that the Palestinian solidarity movement should operate as a Stalinist synagogue."

It's more of a comment and reflection on how the 'solidarity' (?) movement presently operates, with specific reference to Stalinism (the political regime/genre).

i.e. characteristics of the Palestinian solidarity movement, are shared with Stalinism - in (for just a few examples) delegations of authority, command, conformance and adherence to ideology.


Simple enuf 4U ?



(the moron further excreted) QUOTE:
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Either way it sounds so manipulative and whiny.
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Look in mirror before touching keyboard

" Out of the blue comes Atzmon(Weir probably sent him a link) " 04.Feb.2013 22:14

Holy Schi**. You simply MUST be joking

RU serious?

you honestly think there is some sort of of 'conspiracy' or "link sharing" here ?


LOL × 10,000,000,000

@righty troll who thinks he's fooling ppl 04.Feb.2013 23:22

hmmm

>>>you honestly think there is some sort of of 'conspiracy' or "link sharing" here ?
I would refer you to Weir's article, but it was not up to Indymedia standards and has been, regretfully, removed.

Did I say "regretfully"? Sorry. I meant LMFAO.

Protip: to successfully samefag a thread on the Intertoobs, avoid using the same comment format and style.

" righty troll " 04.Feb.2013 23:59

?

" righty "

?????

man, the person typing on this keyboard ain't no 'righty' (as in, you hv

Nor am I a "troll" of course...
Rather, the 'TL;DR' snappy regurgitations here are far more troll-like / have troll characteristics in much greater magnitude.


but go ahead, troll harder bro.

" Weir's article, but it was not up to Indymedia standards and has been, regretfully, removed "

Yeah I too thought it was funny how fast that one vanished (by the PDX IMC stasi who seem rather obsessed with this Atzmon topic in particular ...)

LMFAO
samefag
samefag

" I would refer you to Weir's article " 05.Feb.2013 00:08

um no

We already went over this, (  http://portland.indymedia.org/en/2013/02/421668.shtml#409529 ) but,

apparently Tinfoil Hoodies such as yourself don't seem to be able to understand the English language.

Here is what you stated (prompting my response) -
QUOTE:
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Out of the blue comes Atzmon(Weir probably sent him a link),
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You actually think that Weir and Atzmon posted this stuff _themselves_ ??

And even if not, you think that some one on this PDX IMC web site is posting **FOR** them in/by direct proxy, behest-request of or contact with those authors/individuals?


Cuckoo

Cuckoo

Cuckoo for Cocoa Puffs

no not you guys the zionist 05.Feb.2013 03:37

Sylvio

Don't engage with him. He's doing this to irritate me. He's stalking another Jewish activist. He's a bum and a troll.

...so now I've been stalked by a zionazi, a neo nazi, possibly 9/11 truthers...

...and my mother nicknamed me "mouth" when I was a kid.

No one is stalking you at IMC, Sylvia 05.Feb.2013 09:56

lol

Sorry, "Sylvio". I can't see where anyone said anything about you until you showed up. ;/
But since you keep screaming about being stalked by Jews, I did some searching.
You can't be this "Sylvio":  http://portland.indymedia.org/en/2011/07/409272.shtml
Cuz he wouldn't have a problem with this thread: "Down with anti-Semitism and up with a Palestinian state."
You must be a fake Sylvio, trying to create bad feelings against the anti Semite Sylvio. Or Sylvio is a douche playing everyone.

What a sad life you must lead. Still no evidence of "stalking" on indymedia tho.

....... 06.Feb.2013 16:22

sylvio

Fuck you. I didn't read the thread and was being stalked. I assumed. Sorry.

...but go fuck yourself. Seriously. Because @@ is a Troll who calls himseld 'eternal nakba' and posts 'sell your friends oht for cash postings' on other indy outlets. So eat me.

to follow ul 06.Feb.2013 16:38

sylvio

And yeah I have proved I've been stalked by white supremacists asshole. So whether you're NOT 'nakaba,' which seeing as rhis was his ploy elsewhere, someone whom I don't knkw anything about or not, fuck me. Seriously.

............ 06.Feb.2013 17:50

...........

I agree with this article, but hey "no ones stalking you" instead of "condescend condescend," etc.

Boycot Israel to save Israel 06.Feb.2013 20:35

Now

The time is ripe to avoid any Israel Product.
The time is ripe to avoid any War maker Product.
Boycott carbon too.
double trouble
double trouble

........... 07.Feb.2013 02:34

...........

But heed the BDS call and disavow Gilad Atzman. I attacked this for the wrong reason, but Gilad Atzman is a superficial megalomaniac and the Palestinian voices have disavowed him so adhere to their wishes.

Criticism of Judaism or Jewish Culture is Not antiSemitic, Nor Racist. 10.Feb.2013 10:06

Solomon's Advocate

I agree with Gilad Aztmon on one point: his analysis of the ideology of Judaism, and I disagree with Aztmon on another point: I think that Israel is best understood and approached as a Colonialist project of Western Imperialism, not as a solely or primarily Jewish project, as Aztmon describes it.

I think that Aztmon's critique of Judaism is valid and appropriate, and
his critique is not anti-Semitic nor racist, because he is criticising the
Jewish ideology and culture, not the Jewish people.

I think that Israel is a primarily Colonialist project - not a Jewish
project - because it has always had essential support from Christians,
Atheists, and Western governments, whose strategy for global dominance
benefits from the Colonialist project in Israel. Israel would not have
survived without the support of the Western governments, particularly the
US government - which makes Israel a project of Western Imperialism, not a
Jewish project per se.

The Western governments want us to see Israel as a Jewish project because
it serves their propaganda purposes to play the "Jewish victim sympathy
card" and use the Jews as their Colonialist invaders in Israel. The Jewish Israelis are serving as "boots on the ground" or "cannon-fodder" in the service of Western Imperialism.

Gilad Aztmon is not "antiSemitic" or racist because he criticizes the
Jewish religion and Jewish culture. Lots of people criticize Islam and Islamic culture (for Sharia Law, for jihad, and for the subjegation of women), Christianity and Christian culture (for its historic aggression, its hypocrisy regarding the teachings of Christ, and on the issues of contraception and abortion), and Hinduism and Hindu culture (for the Caste system), and those critics are not labeled "racists" due to their criticism of those religions.

I agree with the signers of the Aztmon Disavowal statement that Israel
is a Colonial project of Western Imperialism, and not a Jewish project.
But I disagree with their portrayal of Aztmon as antiSemitic or racist,
because Aztmon is criticising the Jewish ideology and culture, not the
Jewish people.

No ideology or culture should be considered above criticism, and usually
people are allowed to criticize ideologies and cultures - except for
Judaism. Why should Judaism and Jewish culture alone be exempt from criticism, when other religions and ideologies are not exempt from criticism?

Gilad Aztmon was born in Israel, where he was raised by his Jewish parents. Of course Gilad Aztmon has the right to criticize the Jewish tradition, Jewish ideology, and Jewish culture!

Israel is a Colony of Western Imperialism That Sould Be Dissolved 11.Feb.2013 10:09

Free Palestine

Israel is a Colonialist project of Western Imperialism that has been imposed on the Palestinian people. The Western Imperialists are the USA and its NATO and international allies. Israel is the Western Imperialists' self-described "beachhead" in the Middle East to facilitate Western dominance, conquest and control of the entire region. The Jewish State of Israel is merely an attempt by the Western Imperialists to hide behind a mask of religion. Religion has nothing to do with the invasion, land theft, and occupation of Palestine by the Western Imperialists. The Israelis should be seen as genocidal Western Imperialist invaders and occupiers - not as Jews.

Justice will be served when the racist, fascist Jewish State of Israel is dissolved, and the Western Imperialists who inhabit the Western Colony of Israel, including those who have been born in Israel, are made subjects of an independent Palestinian State. The lands and properties that the Israelis have stolen from the Palestinians must be returned, and the USA must pay compensation to the Palestinians for their losses and suffering.

Did you bother to read the article? 11.Feb.2013 20:55

rex

@Solomon's Advocate
"Criticism of Judaism or Jewish Culture is Not antiSemitic, Nor Racist."

Actually, yes it is. Even the Palestinian activists think so:
"We reaffirm that there is no room in this historic and foundational analysis of our struggle for any attacks on our Jewish allies, Jews, or Judaism; "

I'll let you try t figure it out.

@Free Palestine

The Real Palestinians activists don't appear to agree Israel must be dissolved. They seem to think it's enough to share the same state as equals:
"The goal of the Palestinian people has always been clear: self determination. And we can only exercise that inalienable right through liberation, the return of our refugees (the absolute majority of our people) and achieving equal rights to all through decolonization."

I'm inclined to agree with them.

What Decolonization should mean 12.Feb.2013 08:19

Celestina

"Decolonization" should mean removing or eliminating the Colony that is Israel, and also restoring to the Palestinians all the lands and property that the Isaeli Colony stole from the Palestinians since 1947. The Colony of Israel should cease to exist, and Palestine should be restored to its pre-1947 borders. The former Israelis would be allowed the choice of becoming Palestinian citizens or to emigrate to another country, leaving their property and assets in Palestine.

The Gilad Atzmon Disavowal signers do not represent all Palestinians 12.Feb.2013 08:21

Hafiz

@ rex:

The people who signed the Gilad Aztmon Disavowal statement do not speak for all Palestinians and they have no right to claim or insinuate that they do. The signers of the Gilad Aztmon Disavowal statement are bootlickers of the Israelis. The Palestinian people as a whole did not elect these collaborators to speak for them, represent them, or make decisions for them.

Another commenter here referred to Ali Abunimah and the co-signers of the Gilad Aztmon Disavowal statement as "Controlled Opposition." That is correct and well stated.

Palestine cannot function as a nation in its present fragmented condition; Palastine needs its Mediterranean coastline back to restore its economic viability.

Also, the lands and property that have been stolen from the Palestinians by the Israelis since 1947 need to be restored to, and compensated to, the Palestinians. There's no other way Justice can be served.

Neither does Aztmon 12.Feb.2013 09:23

re

"The people who signed the Gilad Aztmon Disavowal statement do not speak for all Palestinians "

And neither does Aztmon.

At a guess it looks like Aztmon is in the minority. Ask yourself why.

Wrong again 12.Feb.2013 09:36

rex

"Another commenter here referred to Ali Abunimah and the co-signers of the Gilad Aztmon Disavowal statement as "Controlled Opposition." That is correct and well stated. "

No this is conspiracy garbage, encouraged by anti semites, that almost always leads to bullshit violence like this:

Co-op Activist Targeted for Anti-Racist Advocacy
 link to rosecityantifa.weebly.com

A search of "controlled opposition" shows that term is almost exclusive used by the same Far Right Websites and anti Jew fear mongers who like what Atzmon has to say. These people are crazy and dangerous. You might want to reconsider what you're trying to say. A difference of opinion doesn't automatically mean a questionable agenda.

But if you want to talk about a questionable or dishonest agenda, the evidence points strongest to Atzmon.


"Also, the lands and property that have been stolen from the Palestinians by the Israelis since 1947 need to be restored to, and compensated to, the Palestinians."

I don't see anything objectionable about this, nor do I see Abunimah disagreeing with this concept.

" Aztmon is in the minority. Ask yourself why. " 14.Feb.2013 22:24

OK

Because,

(on the leftist/'Palestinian solidarity' side anyway)

Everyone who signed onto that/those letter(s) is an avowed doctrinaire Socialist ?

(you can bet that such Socialists would not sleep in the same bed as the Right wing pundits/theorists who _also_ excoriate Aztmon for purportedly-the-very-same "anti semitism" ............................ or ..... would they ... ? )

The Antifa are the epitome of controlled opposition. 21.Feb.2013 08:38

Portlandia

rex, the crypto-fascist Antifa troll. He's pro-Israeli, he opposes 9/11 Truth, he supports the bogus "War on Terrorism", and he opposes Global Warming skeptics. The Antifa are the epitome of controlled opposition. We know who you work for, rex.

Academic Zionist collaborators 16.Mar.2013 02:32

Restore Palastine Completely

Sounds like a bunch of Academic Zionist collaborators (aren't they all!) attacking someone (Aztmon) who identifies with the real issues and the common people of Palestinian Solidarity.