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IS THE END OF THE TRUTH MOVEMENT AT HAND?

Is the end of the so called "911 truth movement" at hand? Not counting the loons that claim Sandy Hook is a hoax, all that's left is one balding architect pushing his non-profit to pay his bills:  https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=hZEvA8BCoBw
This video isn't even recent, it was published in 2011 by Richard Gage of an org called architects and engineers for 911 truth:  https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=hZEvA8BCoBw

Architects & Engineers - Solving the Mystery of WTC 7 - AE911Truth.org
Uploaded on Aug 16, 2011



It's the last of a dying meme of independent conspiracy videos that started with "Loose Change". Most of the videos claim in one way or another that the government story of how the 9/11 attacks happened is wrong, or worse there is a cover up.

Unlike real films that examined the Bush administration's actions after the attacks(Fahrenheit 9/11 for example), these videos were more interested in sensational messages; 911 WAS AN INSIDE JOB. They weren't as interested in thorough fact checking. Some of this was laziness, some of it inexperience, but a good portion of material that claimed to expose a government con, ironically were cons themselves.

For instance, September Clues, produce by a a guy in Italy called "Simon Shack" and first introduced on a dead libertarian leaning conspiracy forum called 911movement.org, claims all media footage was fake. It's absurd, but it has gathered a fanatical cult following of people who will, literally, fall for anything.

In their forum cluesforum.info members are invited to dissect the most innocent of photos, all coming to the foregone conclusion the victims, or "vicsims", are fake. THIS IS EXACTLY WHAT IS HAPPENING IN THE WAKE OF SANDY HOOK:

 link to www.salon.com

Compare with the VicSim report:

 http://www.scribd.com/doc/105614797/9-11-the-Vicsim-Report

Whatever real issues the "truth" movement was supposed to bring up, it's been over run by batshit cult loons who will harass and attack victims, survivors or anyone who doesn't agree with them as "Enemies of the State".

The Truth Movement is DEAD. TIME TO PULL THE PLUG IMC. AXE THIS SECTION AND KEEP IT AS AN ARCHIVE.

For more reading:  https://www.dailykos.com/story/2013/01/15/1179227/-Sandy-Hook-conspiracy-theorists-need-their-guns-taken-away?showAll=yes

homepage: homepage: http://https://www.dailykos.com/story/2013/01/15/1179227/-Sandy-Hook-conspiracy-theorists-need-their-guns-taken-away?showAll=yes


........ 17.Jan.2013 14:56

........

Its actually sad. I have friends who aren't "truthers," but believe 9/11 was an inside job. I think its the same with any ideology. When the nuts take over you have to fight them on an ideogical level. I don't see too much to celebrate in acknowkedging that 9/11 Truthers have crossed a line between fun and enjoyably imaginative into demnted neuroticism mingked with neo fascism, anti semitism, and at times random homophobia and racism in general. The comparrison has been made to a cult. Any group of individuals who come together in common cause can create the same paradigms as a community, always skating that edge. (Any Giants fans out there?) A community thrives and grows, a cult repeats itself in obsessive fashion, repeating tag lines and projecting validity to their own beliefs every place they look. Feel good you had the self awareness to think for yourself. Even the best of us lose that ability sometimes.

It really just goes to show 17.Jan.2013 16:12

A Truther

The truth is something that eludes the judgment of foolish people.

Two Choices? 17.Jan.2013 17:28

Kevin

Are there just two alternatives? Either one believes that 9/11 was totally insider or that 9/11 was totally not? Is there nothing between?

Most are Hucksters 17.Jan.2013 18:26

obviously

When you have a bunch of extreme clowns pushing stupid shit and using the cause to attack and lie about people who don't agree with them because THEY HAVE TO SAVE THE WORLD...then they stop doing shit for years, yahoo lists get deleted, websites are dead...

THEN YOU KNOW they were short term conartists. "Loose Change" anyone? Where the fuck are they? Oh, they got absorbed into the right wing Alex Jones cult. At least Bermas did. The other two are probably trying to forget that embarrassing part of their lives. BTW: wacky coincidence...there's a Portland band called "Loose Change", lol:
 http://pnwbands.com/loosechange.html

Wonder what they think about their conspiracy namesakes?

What you THINK about the 9/11 attacks is immaterial. The TRUTH MOVEMENT is deader than Nixon.

Sept 11 17.Jan.2013 18:36

Agency Watcher

The truth is scary.

Corporate Mafia Psyopists. All Over The Internets 17.Jan.2013 20:46

blues

There are many Truth Advocates; and half a dozen more False Truth Advocates. By now everybody, or at least 80%, know that 9/11 was an American government mafia psyop. Designed to induce paralysis in the masses. While the masses were being infiltrated by the parasitic worms of corruption and outsource.

Actually, the real Truth movement is advancing impressively. Everybody knows.

The corporate mafia media lied again? I'm shocked, shocked I tell you!

And some kid in Newtown, Connecticut shot and scored with EVERY SHOT! Even though he never actually existed. We'll believe that too. Because we believe EVERYTHING the corporate media mafia tells us. Can't trust them? Who else can you trust?


"the facts" - has an explanation for what occurred on 09/11/2001? 17.Jan.2013 22:18

?

i.e. that'd be,

U.S. government's official explanation - you verify and believe each word (of 09/11/2001 official U.S.G.I. story) with your own mind?

correct,

"the facts"

?

what's truly hilarious about "the facts" and his ilk 17.Jan.2013 22:25

is

that, here (PDX IMC) we have a purportedly 'leftist'-leaning (yea we know it's also anarchist / sometimes 'libertarianistic' / whatever else)

web site ...

on which YET ANOTHER "truthers R DAY-ead" proclamation has been made.

Funny/ironic though, that for example, on the

RIGHT WING

pro-gun web sites, there are also equal numbers of 'concerned citizens' --

just like Mr. "the facts" (here on PDX IMC)

who are posting 'Those DAY-nged Troofers Agin' discussion threads....

wishing they'd all just STFU....

... because they're so "nonsensical" and they're

"screwing it all up for everyone else"

(in the case of the panicked pro-gun conservative folk, "Sandy Hook CTs just make us look crazier"....)


Anyway the Emperor's ("the facts") clothes may change, but the Modus Operandi remains the same.

or, stated another way -

who _____Hates_____ "troofers" (of any variety) more:

1) Rightists

or

2) Leftists


?

( oops, forgot - they're both statists )

The first casualty in war is 17.Jan.2013 22:33

...

_ _ _ _ _

~RESISTANCE~ is eVerything. 17.Jan.2013 23:55

+8=xXx=8+

^^^FREEWILL Always^^^ to resist and fight the oppressors and planetary exploiters/abusers. No forgiveness or compromise with those whose agenda is to murder us—> both discriminately--- and indiscriminately.

—>>>It's up to ALL OF US TO TRULY LIBERATE THE EARTH.<<<—
Turn the tables, FOCUS and redirect discourse of discussion and stress the importance of holding *WAR CRIMINALS(PAST & PRESENT)*... extreme major Earth violators/destroyers *ACCOUNTABLE FOR THEIR ACTIONS*. They are the cause of UNTOLD *violence and aggression* which is being forced upon us ALL. It is past time to 'zoom back' and see the 'Big Picture' for what it is.

NO JUSTICE<<<—>>>NO PEACE

Never Give Up. . . Never Surrender. Keep fighting the good fight for True Equality, True Justice, and True Freedom ***WORLDWIDE for ALL PEOPLE*** (no more "Superiority Complex" or complicity/complacency with regard to the actions that FUEL WAR).

<>—>>>ALL PEOPLE ARE CREATED EQUAL AND DESERVE EQUAL JUSTICE UNDER THE SUN.<<<—<>

No More ***Lies, Betrayals, and endless Hypocrisy*** of the broken and obsolete destructive systems of 'patriarchal capitalism' and domination by Empire (and the GREED & mass overdriven consumerism it spawns through the utilization of "globalization" at other's welfare and expense $$$). The "WAR MENTALITY" is at all of our 'TRUE COST and expense' $$$ (e.g.- we are ALL victims of the "War Economy" which has been created for us as a direct result of the last decade of never ending war and never ending lies. We are ALL victims of the so-called "power structures of war-industry" and "power structures of CORPORATOCRACY/CORPORATIST FASCISM"... and of the so-called "global-power-elite" institutions of globally entrenched mentality of "privilege and entitlement dogma issues" that FORCES war and oppression upon us ALL and will stop at nothing if they wrongly continue to view the planet as an ever potential infinite resource which they wrongly view themselves as being 'FREE TO EXPLOIT AND PLUNDER' ("free to illegally obtain"— through ***Illegal & Immoral Wars of Invasion and Occupation*** for Oil/resources) --- continuing to "profit" off the Earth's demise by stealing her 'life-force'.

Patriarchal capitalism hegemony/military industrial complex in war overdrive/corporatocracy DOMINATION $$$/globalization >-versus-< the newfound focus on Mother Earth HEALING and the elevated *^*^*Revolution of Consciousness*^*^* necessary to facilitate a NEW REALITY 'FREE FROM CONSTANT WAR MENTALITY AND THE UNTOLD TERROR IT CAUSES'— to the planet and ALL of us along with her.

It's an oxymoron because we ALL need to help in the HEALING/NURTURING of the Earth and in helping in the pursuit of ***PROMOTING PEACEFUL COEXISTENCE***. It is beneficial for us to work together in finding life-affirming and truly sustainable solutions that are *ALL-INCLUSIVE* and leave no one behind to struggle and possibly die in poverty (by the institution of 'austerity programs'— they rob people of their dignity and their money)... because of the actions of disingenuous so-called "world leaders"/deceivers/so-called "authorities" who lack any sense of INTEGRITY because they are too busy greedily filling their own pockets with "ill-gotten gains" which they acquired from 'WARS BASED ON LIES' (false flag state-sponsored "terrorist events"/pretexts that start wars)... as they do so with their blood-stained hands from the innocents which they have brazenly slaughtered and 'sacrificed to fuel their diabolical wars of conquest'. THEY HAVE NO SHAME. The aggressors of the planet are destroying the Earth through their 'actions of war, endless aggressive tendencies, and insatiable bloodlust for violence'.

TOXIC Corporate media and popular mainstream "corporate CULTure" and the never ending LIES, misinformation, disinformation which is propagated from the 'created-socially-engineered-narrative' spewed out by this "corporate medium MACHINE of information" is more often than not... fake and contrived (manufactured) and is geared towards facilitating war and also is "engineered" towards producing an economy which keeps us all —>>>ENSLAVED TO THE SYSTEM<<<—$$$$$. It bombards all of our senses with *Distraction & Chaos* and all of our 'collective consciousness' with the mass corporatized agenda to *Instill Fear* in the general population to encourage us to look to the state for "protection".
Together we possess FREEWILL to see through the corporatized "Smoke & Mirrors" game of illusion, dogma and myth put forth for our consumption (Freewill to see the 'Big Picture'). We do not have to be forced to consume the corporate viewpoint/mentality because we are free and independent spirits capable of free and independent thoughts & ideas. We have FREEWILL TO UNPLUG FROM THE MACHINE/|\SYSTEM that dominates and enslaves us ALL.
*~~~WE ARE ALL ENERGY & FREE BEINGS—FREE TO WORK IN HARMONY WITH NATURE—BECAUSE NATURE IS WHAT WE ARE.~~~*


—>>>Make Connections<<<—

Always QUESTION so-called "authority"... IN ALL WAYS. ***In All Areas of Inquiry***. It is the only way to 'smash the system' of never ending lies and war dogma. We have *freewill* to unplug from corporate control with regard to "official stories" that we are bombarded with via the corporate airwaves $$$. Questioning toxic lies is healthy for all. No more toxic lies/myths/illusions/war dogma that is killing the planet. It's past time to say "Enough!" The lies in the First World lead to more death and stealing of resources from people struggling in the developing Third World. They don't deserve to be massacred as a result of the endless LIES. Endless War creates poverty worldwide including the CREATION OF POVERTY in this country. The toxic WarSystem/|\WarMachine is sick on a multitude of levels. It is a disease upon the Earth. It is past time that it be UNPLUGGED for the good of ALL.

^>^>>>Change TACTICS<<<^<^ We must think of *NEW WAYS* to change the system—> Capitalism has FAILED (there is No Democracy—> only CORPORATISM and the 'lie-based wars' that fuel it). Consolidated - Strike (circa. 1990) —<(TIME TO EVOLVE—TIME TO UNPLUG—TIME TO *CREATE* SOMETHING NEW)>  https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zE6gOu6S7fk


Corporate media lies and revises history to meet/corroborate its agenda of deception— its corporatized version/narrative of events— so-called "official narrative stories" that the population is continually "corporately bombarded with" until it becomes the mass popular culture "believed in and accepted truth".

Truth really is stranger than fiction and there is another reality (waiting to be created)... beyond this "toxic-reality" which has been "corporately created" for our displeasure, despair and disillusionment.

<>—>>>"The first casualty of war is always TRUTH."<<<—<>

(((—> —> INDYMEDIA call to ***MEDIA ARMS*** <— <—)))  https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fwXfDqUUM2Q
(p.s.— I am not a "Libertarian".)
(((BE THE MEDIA)))— + —(((Use your VOICE as your 'Weapon of CHOICE'.)))
 https://www.youtube.com/embed/fwXfDqUUM2Q

***—>>>TOTAL EARTH LIBERATION NOW<<<—***


From 'cognitive dissonance' to 'Cognitive Transformation' and *enlightenment*.
Contemplate R/evolution and then create|manifest it.


CREATE. . .
~~~Solidarity & Peace~~~
. . . . . . . Another World is Possible.



*^*^*^*R/evolution of Consciousness NOW*^*^*^*
—>>> Censorship = Surrender <<<—
—>>> Censorship = Surrender <<<—
*~~~Seek Truth and Expose Lies to Light~~~*
*~~~Seek Truth and Expose Lies to Light~~~*
Cognitive Transformation  ^—^—^—FREE YOUR MIND—^—^—^
Cognitive Transformation ^—^—^—FREE YOUR MIND—^—^—^

........ 18.Jan.2013 05:54

.........

...I do have to say there are some really cool comments on this thread though. If I've ever offended anybody who doesn't harbor biggoted feelings and might even somewhat agree with me you have my sincerest apologies.

***Disaster Capitalism*** has FAILED. 18.Jan.2013 10:02

^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^

^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^<<<Disaster Capitalism/|\Crimes of Empire/|\Police State Actions are always *Shocking & Awful.*>>>^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^

Comic relief 19.Jan.2013 01:50

(from another site)

QUOTE:
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So if people who believe 9/11 was an inside job are called "truthers" and people that think Obama's birth certificate is faked are called "birthers" are people believing Sandy Hook is a conspiracy called "hookers"?
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LOL 19.Jan.2013 17:09

>this<

QUOTE:
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So if people who believe 9/11 was an inside job are called "truthers" and people that think Obama's birth certificate is faked are called "birthers" are people believing Sandy Hook is a conspiracy called "hookers"?
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Thanks for the laugh.

As somebody else pointed out 20.Jan.2013 13:04

---->

in the case of both Pearl Harbor (December 7th 1941)

and the Gulf of Tonkin Incident (August 1964),

each incident precipitated U.S. involvement in World War II and Vietnam respectively...

and decades later, we now have historical documentation that neither of those incidents went down/occurred as originally presented to American public or the history books, at all.

False flags do exist, and one is advised to look closely at the events of September 11th 2001 to attempt to comprehend the true motivations and beneficiaries therein.

( even if you 'don't care why' the wars started in first place because you believe all wars are 'capitalist evil' anyway, or whatever else your self-limiting perception tells you )

RE: “Comic relief” —> Funny misogynistic joke about hookers. ha ha. 20.Jan.2013 14:27

sad clown :’(

Everything is a joke. . . a "killing joke".


Laugh - and the world laughs with you.

Cry - and you cry alone. . . (or 'die alone' - - - whatever the case may be).



Anyway "Comic relief", your "hElarity" knows no bounds. Good one. (?)

" Funny misogynistic joke about hookers. " 20.Jan.2013 14:45

source

it came from the referenced/linked web site, not from me.

(Did you happen to see the web site link, in the original post? Maybe you didn't -- because you were more concerned about inserting your hipster/Troll off-topic opinion than considering the source.)

just the messenger, passing it along (with a specific source reference URL)

And this whole thread is a

" funny misogynistic joke "

(?)

about those who might seek the truth -- alternative to official Government and Corporate Mass Media, that is --

So I figured it'd fit right in with the general

Atmosphere

of

Ridicule

which

instantly

emanates

from

'radicals'

anarchists

'activists'

PDX IMCers

trolls

vegans

'anti-Fascists'

Infoshoppers

political intellectuals

'those in the know'

etc.

, whenever the topic of what actually did happen ? on September 11th 2001 is brought up around these parts (and elsewhere).

YMMV

A Funny Thing Happened On The Way To PDX IMC 20.Jan.2013 14:57

hey

sad clown,

you may have missed (as hinted up-thread in a preceding comment where it seems that Right Wingers also "hate" 'troofers'),

the "hookers" quip/joke -- in addition to being specifically URL-sourced, pointed out/reminded above --

itself came from a gun forum web site discussion.

Unfortunately (?) as you may also have gathered from your own personal life experiences, average USA gun owners happen to be predominantly of a 'conservative' or right wing mindset... with the consequent misogyny (infantile, mere bravado or otherwise more deeply-negatively seated) that highly typically goes along with said mindset.

Try Harder 20.Jan.2013 18:35

anarchist

Anyone who seriously thinks mocking the Sandy Hook Hoax "truthers" as "hookers" is misogynist, is clueless or TROLLING. Or has no cue about what real misogyny is.

Right leaning cultists infiltrating the left love to do this: "out left" the left.

Someone uses lingo from the 'hood, they scream "racist", thinking they'll blend in.
Someone says something like women's reproductive rights should focus on contraceptives not abortion, and they scream, I HAVE A RIGHT TO ABORT UP TO THE DAY OF BIRTH. And other craziness.

No, they are not extremists. They are FAKES.

These people are so obvious to veteran's from the left it's sad. Unfortunately, they often dupe young people or people new to the political scene impressed with their fake "passion".


Apologies to real leftists who found the joke off color. But none of my female/g/l friends were offended. A couple thought it was "meh",because they don't find ANYTHING about the "Hookers" funny. Which is understandable and I didn't make a big hairy deal they DIDN'T find it amusing.

If you didn't think it was funny, fine. Fair enough. But "misogynist? Get a grip.

THIS is a thread full of misogynists:

 http://portland.indymedia.org/en/2013/01/421265.shtml

FREEDOM ! FOREVER ! 21.Jan.2013 18:12

\/VvV\/VvV\/

V for Vendetta Soundtrack-Overture 1812 Tchaikovsky  https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=XMhDmZ-Jvik&NR=1
@FREEDOM!  @FOREVER!
@FREEDOM! @FOREVER!

Forgot to add *HEAL THE EARTH* link with ‘V for Vendetta’ video. 23.Jan.2013 17:12

\/VvV\/VvV\/

I've always found the film 'V for Vendetta' inspiring and think it helps solidify in people's minds the importance of ***UNIFIED POWER***—> of combined ***Solidarity and Resistance*** against the ultra-oppressive and exploitative WarSystem/|\WarMachine that surrounds/dominates/enslaves us eVeryday in a multitude of extremes... as well as on a variety of 'so many different levels'.

"The state has, in order to control us, introduced division into our thinking, so that we come to distrust others and look to the state for protection." — Butler Shaffer


I'm not touching the Sandy Hook Elementary School shooting controversy. It's all too horrible and doesn't bear thinking about. I am unimpressed with self interested egotistical pseudo-"intellectuals" who are incapable of *independent thought* or any form of *critical thinking* to any degree— who claim to know/have all the answers with regard to new "conspiracies". I, for one, can seriously say I am no "authority" on this subject. Truthfully, I barely watched any of the coverage of this horrendous incident on the t.v. because I became repulsed and physically ill by it and overcome by emotion by the devastating loss of innocent life. As anyone with any conscience, the slaughter of innocent children is an abomination beyond any contrived false rationalization (think drone bombings that kill untold numbers of innocent children overseas— their parents suffer and mourn just the same). The inhumanity of it is beyond comprehension or description. To be honest, I was overcome with disgust and emotion and was unable to watch anything relating to this happening because it was more than I was able to deal with. I am not ashamed to say that I had somewhat of an 'emotional breakdown' connected to it during that time —(because it was at the same time coinciding among other monumentally life altering and traumatic things going on in my life of a personal nature—the loss of two of my loved ones in my family among 'other things' coincided during this same period) and out of necessity I had to 'tune out' the Sandy Hook situation and refrain from watching things relating to this scenario because I couldn't bear it in my mind because it was too painful (all I could think relating to this event was the ***SLAUGHTER OF INNOCENTS/|\INNOCENCE — Trapped Lambs For The Slaughter***). It was more than I could handle thinking about. In all honesty, at this particular point in my life I am overwrought with personal loss/death and tragedy and struggle.
I have to focus on BALANCE to keep my *Peace of Mind*.
I am also dealing with my own personal health crisis situation(and the drama that surrounds it), and have been for some time. Nothing like a "reality changer" when your personal existence is called into question and you are personally facing the very real possibility of "game over" soon. But, as I've been repeatedly assured— death is a part of life - believe me - I am completely AWARE OF THIS REALITY more than can be conveyed through writing or mere 'words'. *It is what it is*. No one should know better than someone who is facing the prospect of dying personally for real in their own 'real life'. I suppose it makes it so you want to make what time you have left of your life on Earth 'count for something'... and try to help make a *positive difference in the world*. Before you 'disappear forever'... so to speak.

____________________________________________________________________________________
I find I'm incapable at this time— to focus on "corporatized current events" and the resulting "spin" (I rarely, if ever, watch corporate media/television because it invariably makes me nauseous as a "rule"— it causes my head to spin/get dizzy with anger). I am already just too overwhelmed with personal hardships and really I am dealing with more than I can bear already. All I can say is—> I AM NO "AUTHORITY" on this atrocious subject at hand— the Sandy Hook tragedy.
____________________________________________________________________________________

The simple acknowledged fact is we are lied to most all of the time by the corporate media—> this is a proven and known *verifiable fact*. It is always full of spectacle and theatrics/infotainment for "shock value's sake". Much of the time TRUTH is something the corporate media lacks completely (or... at the very least is not put at the forefront with regard to 'stressing the importance' relating to verifiable details). Again, I am no "authority" so I am not saying that this is one of those times with regard to possible 'convoluted facts or intricacies' or possible "machinations"/"subterfuge" relating to this specific referenced topic. ***I DON'T KNOW ANYTHING ABOUT THIS***.
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*Regarding this particular thread*—> I'm really only interested in 'keeping the flames of interest alive' with regard to the multitude of unanswered questions and the excessive plethora of evidence that leads one to the conclusion that the "official bu$h administration story/lie-narrative" with relation to the events of September 11, 2001 are beyond a shadow of a doubt obViously erroneous and without merit. For me... it is basically impossible to believe the "bu$h version" put forth by an administration that lied about EVERYTHING (e.g.- no "weapons of mass destruction") relating to the resulting ***Illegal & Immoral Wars of Invasion and Occupation***. The evidence of NEVER ENDING BLATANT LIES is overwhelming and voluminous. That has to count for something... no? Should it be so easily dismissed? Should they be "let off the hook" and be forgiven for their vast infinite crimes? Should they be forgiven for their "gift" that "keeps on giving"? ***War Criminals(Past & Present) must be held Accountable for their Actions(Past & Present)***. WHEN EVERYTHING TOLD TO US WAS LIES BY THESE TRAITOROUS WAR CRIMINALS—> WHY DO WE BELIEVE THE LIARS ABOUT THE EVENTS OF 9/11? DOES THAT EVEN MAKE ANY SENSE TO DO SO? If so... WHY?

9/11 was used to create fear/"shock & awe" in the hearts and minds of people everywhere for power & control—> for the 'powers that be' to create their "version of order out of calculated institutionalized chaos". —> from 'mass accumulated overwhelming evidence' it appears clear it was a 'Covert Deep Event Crime of the Deep State' which utilized the agenda of SPECTACLE in order to 'deceive & coerce'— to *FORCE WAR ON US* for 'power/control' & "profit" $$$. War is a racket and "pretexts for war" are designed in order to facilitate and enable the status quo into fulfilling their "war business as usual" (See—> ***Project for a New American Century***). War is created so money "profit" can be made $$$. It's the "business of war". Things aren't always what they seem... like "Alice in Wonderland" falling down the rabbit hole and seeing everything for the illusion that it is. Realization is a good thing and is mind expansive. Free Your Mind and Free the World.

***Power Corrupts — Absolute Power Corrupts Absolutely***

Never ending Lies, Betrayals, Hypocrisy and HATE is Intolerable. Never ending War Violence & Aggression is Intolerable. War destroys the Earth and ALL LIFE. Celebrate/Respect/Protect the DIVERSITY of All Life.
War is a Crime. It's up to all of us to use our OWN INTELLIGENCE/critical thinking and see through the WAR RUSE. Use your VOICE and speak out against the 'Architects & Engineers of War'. ***Exposing War Crimes Is Not A Crime*** ('teachable moments about history' should not be a crime).

"In war, truth is the first casualty." — Aeschylus - Greek writer/poet (525 BC - 456 BC)

"All warfare is based on deception." — Sun Tzu (Art of War)

"War is a racket. It is the only one international in scope. It is the only one in which the profits are reckoned in dollars and the losses in lives." — Smedley Butler

"War is the ultimate tool of politics. Either war is obsolete or men are." — R. Buckminster Fuller

***-{~^~Flashback~^~} -*** No more lies, no more betrayal — Heal the Earth. >+(((bleeding heart ~~~~~<3)))+<  http://portland.indymedia.org/en/2010/07/400844.shtml?discuss
eVerything is connected~~~<> Remember History so it doesn't repeat.
Don't Turn a Blind Eye. —> An 'Eye for an Eye' makes the whole World blind and creates 'Rivers of Blood'. —> Without Justice there is No Peace. —>>>Justice Not Vengeance<<<—

V For Vendetta Soundtrack - 07 - Valerie - Dario Marianelli  https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fjzQpxLPop0
I remember how "different" became dangerous. I still don't understand it... why they hate us so much.

"Our integrity sells for so little, but it is all we really have. It is the very last inch of us, but within that inch, we are free." — Valerie (V for Vendetta)

'Goddess' in the Rain—>>> *V is for Voice*
Power to the people always— solidarity for Justice, Equality & Peace
vV\//////\\\\\\/Vv— LIBERATE EARTH —vV\//////\\\\\\/Vv


"By the power of truth, I, while living, have conquered the Universe." — V

"The most unpardonable sin in society is independence of thought. The most violent element in society is ignorance." — Emma Goldman

"Someone has said that it requires less mental effort to condemn than to think." — Emma Goldman

"Our lives begin to end the day we become silent about things that matter." — Martin Luther King Jr.

"Memorials" stand as testament to Monumental Lies of Empire. Rethink "Mount Rushmore"... also known to some as SLAUGHTERHOUSE MOUNTAIN—> (It's a matter of perspective—> Perspective is eVerything—> Perspective shapes IDEAS which in turn shape the future and what people accept and embrace as their "truth/belief systems"— Questioning one's "reality" is healthy because the manufactured/constructed reality can be changed by reflective/introspective and 'open minded' people—> We all have the power to change our *WorldView* with the intention of *Healing the Earth*).  http://portland.indymedia.org/en/2011/04/407510.shtml


We can all contribute and help to ***CREATE A DIFFERENT REALITY***— one that focuses on the need for truth, through the use of independent and alternative media. Independent/alternative freedom of thought is a *valuable resource*.

TRUTH = FREEDOM & Revolution/Evolution

Build a future that is conducive for Peace not war, on a foundation of Truth, Justice, and Accountability. Demand truth & justice on all issues/in *All Areas of Inquiry*. Use your >>>VOICE<<< while you still can. If we are serious about World Peace we need to collectively challenge so-called "authority" ALWAYS. There is nothing worse than living with 'regret and missed opportunities' especially if we believe our actions, 'attention & intentions' might help to make a difference in *Healing the Earth* in some way.

Only through uniting in the common goal, can we redirect the world from a state of TOXIC 'perpetual War & Chaos' and ultimately guide it to ***PEACE and TRUE EARTH LIBERATION***. I believe in the power of people to use their intelligence and follow their own conscience to seek truth to bring about a global awakening and facilitate positive change. Keep focusing on the 'big picture'. Peace on Earth is the ultimate goal. The world is in a constant state of change. It is not 'static'. People are not powerless to affect this change in a positive way. It all comes down to 'cause and effect'. If only people at the GRASSROOTS LEVEL could realize their *full potential and power* in the scheme of things. Destiny/fate is what we create. It all starts with a change in perspective (seeing life through an unfiltered lens) like focusing with new eyes. Like seeing the world for the first time and having a personal revelation/epiphany about what's really going on. An open-mind is the key. I highly recommend watching the movie "NAQOYQATSI - Life as war".

NAQOYQATSI - Life as War— film trailer  https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8XTbrAektZY


~~~ )>{}<( ~~~ FREE YOUR MIND ~~~ )>{}<( ~~~
~~~ })i({~~~
~(Metaphor)~ In the end the butterfly prevails— we are all BUTTERFLIES ~~~ })i({~~~. Together we have the power to change the patriarchal hegemonic *militaristic police state mindset* of Empire and war/mindless-corporate-consumer-culture/Disaster Capitalism fueled by greed and conquest through unfettered & unchecked globalization of the planet which doesn't take into account the cost of innocent lives displaced or sacrificed to fulfill this 'agenda of domination'. ***People United In Solidarity Have The Power To Change The World*** (by helping to guide Earth towards HEALING, HARMONY, & PEACEFUL COEXISTENCE FOR *ALL PEOPLE WORLDWIDE*). We need to stop 'toxifying and killing the planet' and 'stop the excessive out of control-- in full-overdrive OVERCONSUMPTION' of the Earth by working together towards finding truly life-affirming and truly sustainable realistic solutions to the multiple crises facing *Our Planet* today. [Butterfly Effect] Create a 'healing environment of love & peace' by respecting nature/life. We create our reality; the future is ours. Together we can create a *Earth Healing Cultural Revolution* and evolve. <>—>>>'LIFE AS WAR' IS NOT GLOBALLY SUSTAINABLE<<<—<>.
~~~ })i({~~~


Realization is a beautiful thing. A new day is dawning if we want it to. It's time to change the template of Corporatist Fascism war/lies— it's time for a paradigm shift towards everlasting Peace (with the emphasis on ***Truth in All Areas of Inquiry and JUSTICE FOR ALL***). Fortunately, we have the power of *freewill*, to think for ourselves when formulating new ideas with our collective goal to seek understanding of the larger world around us— with the realization of the power that resides within us ALL to 'positively affect' the Earth (Butterfly Cause & Effect). ~~~ })i({~~~ We have independent *freedom of thought* and together can ***CREATE A NEW REALITY***. We are not an 'island unto ourselves'. Out of *RESPECT for the World Community* we should strive to seek deeper understanding and work together to see our collective *DEEPER CONNECTION TO THE EARTH* to realize our 'oneness' with the planet.

Peter Dale Scott speaks out about 'looking deeper' for explanations into understanding the 'reality of history'— *Deep History*... Deep Events... Deep Politics... Deep State  https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=DDZR72PPUO0&feature=related
Drugs and the Economy - Peter Dale Scott on Economics 101 (possible connections between 'Drug Money', Wall Street & War)  https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=cvhiK0reDwE&

(***Flashback - 1993 Seminar***... Never Forget History Lest It Repeat) The Gangster Nature of the State - Michael Parenti (Part 1 of 6) (Michael Parenti states that what is so compelling about an issue like *drugs* as Michael Levine has pointed out... is that it's not that we're saying the government is not doing enough about drugs... or that we're losing the "war against drugs"... it's that the government or elements within it are ACTIVE PERPETRATORS AND PURVEYORS OF DRUGS... they "profit" from perpetuating the "business of war & death as usual" status quo) (Michael Parenti comments on what it is that is so compelling about the JFK assassination is how nakedly the gangster nature of the state is revealed... it is an AWAKENING... and to know the truth about the JFK assassination is to create a *delegitimating force* that calls into question the entire state system and the entire social (dis)order it represents. And this is why for 30 years the mainstream press has suppressed or dismissed out of hand the findings about JFK's death... and the findings of independent investigators like Prof. Peter Dale Scott among others... these independent investigators are derogatorily and condescendingly referred to by "political leaders" and the corporate mainstream media as "conspiratorial assassination buffs" which is a limiting and marginalizing/diminishing term and "label" used to "disempower" and "discredit" people. These people are serious investigators of a very serious crime which leads to all sorts of serious understandings about the ***CRIMINAL NATURE OF THE STATE***. And this is why they relentlessly- the "mainstream media"/and the "opinion leaders"/and the "political leaders" of this country relentlessly attack or ignore this literature.)  https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=lZJ5g8JppyQ&feature=related

Mystery: How Wealth Creates Poverty in the World - By Michael Parenti - 02/17/07  http://www.informationclearinghouse.info/article17102.htm

(Remember and Learn from History Lest It Repeat) What I've Learned About U.S. Foreign Policy - The War Against the Third World (Developing Countries)  http://addictedtowar.com/dorrel.html


~*~ ~*~ ~*~ ~*~ ~*~ ~*~ ~*~ ~*~ ~*~ ~*~ ~*~ ~*~ ~*~ ~*~ ~*~ ~*~
The Three Stages of TRUTH— 1. Ridicule 2. Violent Opposition 3. Acceptance
*Truth Is Always the First Casualty of War* and there is no future in a world forever in conflict and forever being guided by hate/division/intolerance/violence/aggression. Fate/destiny is what we collectively choose to create. Peace is the only reality that is "truly sustainable". Resist the 'system of lies' that is destroying the Earth. We need to demand the truth in 'ALL areas of inquiry'. Within us is the freewill to become RESISTANCE ACTIVISTS for *Real Change*.
~*~ ~*~ ~*~ ~*~ ~*~ ~*~ ~*~ ~*~ ~*~ ~*~ ~*~ ~*~ ~*~ ~*~ ~*~ ~*~

It's time to make 'Connections'—> *Total Earth Justice Now*.
—>>>See the BIG PICTURE and MAKE CONNECTIONS<<<—

Respect—> Diversity of Tactics in the struggle/Resistance against Empire... defiance against the WarSystem/|\WarMachine that is killing the Earth. It's good to rethink things from time to time and brainstorm with the purpose of finding new strategies to combat police state repression and 'corporatized political despotism'.

Equal Rights and Justice for ALL (Worldwide). All people are created EQUAL and all deserve EQUAL RIGHTS. ALL ARE EQUAL—> NO ONE IS "SUPERIOR" AND NO ONE IS "INFERIOR"—> One Earth - One JUSTICE - One Love - One Peace <—

<>—>>>No Justice - No Peace<<<—<>
No Tolerance for Blind Hatred & Intolerance of "OTHERS" who are "DIFFERENT"—> Let go of 'fear' and Free the Earth *~~Celebrate and Respect Diversity of Life~~<3

No more "Profit Driven" War —> (for Oil, Resources, Power & Control, Money $$$). RESISTANCE against the injustice of illegal and immoral wars of 'occupation'— (Job of War = War Industry = War At All Costs $$$)

History repeats if people choose to remain ignorant of the "tools/dogma" used to push Imperialism... unless people learn from the mistakes of the past... history always repeats itself.

No more "conquering and domination" of Empire under the disingenuous guise of "fighting the good(God) fight. No more oppression & exploitation caused by never ending *Lies & War*. War is perpetuated by racism/jingoism/xenophobia— blind patriotism/nationalism. No More 'Sacrificial Lambs/Scapegoats of War'. No more enslavement buy the 'War System' $$$. We have freewill to 'stop buying the lies' $$$.


Put nature and the Earth before money & *FALSE PROFIT* $$$.



"The only way to deal with an unfree and unjust world is to become so absolutely free that your very existence is an act of rebellion." — Albert Camus

"Every daring attempt to make a great change in existing conditions, every lofty vision of new possibilities for the human race, has been labeled Utopian." — Emma Goldman



Let go of fear, free your mind and set the World Free.
RESISTANCE ALWAYS— proVoke thought/proVoke freedom
*~~~<3 Solidarity, Love & Peace Always*~~~<3






In the Sun we feel as *ONE*.
~~~ })i({~~~
{>~~~~~*LOVE is Our RESISTANCE*~~~~~<3
{>~~~~~*LOVE is Our RESISTANCE*~~~~~<3

V for Vendetta? 24.Jan.2013 20:59

rex

It was a very good movie, but it was just a movie. The source material is more meaningful, but also morally ambiguous.

Read it:  https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/V_for_Vendetta

It's unfortunate Teabaggers and conspiracy loons look for validation for their far right Libertarian world view in Moore's work. "V" is an anarchist and would laugh at both of them.

—“Food-for-Thought”— 25.Jan.2013 18:20

\/VvV\/VvV\/

I thought I made it clear that my views are *Anarchistic in Nature* (this is my *WorldView*). Sorry if you found what I wrote above to be too 'ambiguous or confusing'. I know my writing is 'long-winded' and "tedious" at times. You are right on that account. Sorry.

Although— I thought the <<< @FREEDOM! @FOREVER! >>> which I wrote above was a dead giveaway with regard to my 'advocacy and affiliations'. Guess I was wrong with thinking this would make it 'self-evident'. I also thought the inclusion of the numerous Emma Goldman quotes might have provided the 'tip-off' of my philosophical/anti-"political" leanings. Also, the fact that I am completely anti-authoritarian/anti-establishment/anti-capitalist and absolutely despise all forms of political oppression against those of us who find POWER in POLITICAL DISSENT AND REBELLING AGAINST THE 'STATUS QUO'.

With regard to other misunderstanding (again... not your fault as my writing is a 'long and winding' trip). I did write above—> (p.s.— I am not a "Libertarian".) To be found within the two quotes (((—> —> INDYMEDIA call to ***MEDIA ARMS*** <— <—))) and also (((BE THE MEDIA)))— + —(((Use your VOICE as your 'Weapon of CHOICE'.)))
Life is too short to not 'speak out'.

I am neither a "follower" nor am I a "leader". . . I am just me.

I have always known the film 'V for Vendetta' was an anarchist movie— and that is why I was 'drawn to it' in the first place... and have always loved and have been a huge fan of it since it came out in 2006. It exudes and radiates the vital sense of LIBERATION. It's portrayal of the importance of TRUE FREEDOM is 'visceral and intuitive' in nature. That is why it 'inspires so deeply'. Because the desire for liberation is naturally ingrained in ALL of us. We were all born with the innate/instinctive need to be FREE.

On the film 'V for Vendetta'. Yes... clearly it is "just a movie". It is not "my god"... I do not "worship it". However, it is a great tool for understanding the 'police state' as it exists (as far as movies go anyway). For you see—> the 'police state' is a STATE OF MIND that can be overcome. The best way to defeat it is to "wrap your mind around the IDEA" of solidarity among people in the fight for *EARTH JUSTICE* worldwide— *STRENGTH IN NUMBERS*. I believe this is the best way to SMASH THE SYSTEMS OF DOMINATION, so-called systems of "power & control" (institutionalized/|\industrialized/|\corporatized/|\militarized). It's past time to see illusions, myths, dogma for what it is— unwarranted and unjustifiable 'mind control'.

Just some "Food-for-Thought"—> Theoretical Introspection on V for Vendetta (May 17, 2010)  http://supremacyofcriticaltheoryinliterature.blogspot.com/

'V for Vendetta' is a great example of a "dystopian society". I thought it did a great job "mirroring our own society" in many ways and thought it could be used and seen as valuable in providing an example which would help in people to become inspired and unite towards 'building something completely new'. I will always believe *Another World is Possible* and that a *Different Reality Can Be Created*. It is the only thing which helps to 'give me HOPE' for the future.



United We Stand. . . Divided We Fall.

No More *Divide & Conquer Mentality* because it is a concept which is "self-defeating".



"There is no act too small, no act too bold. The history of social change is the history of millions of actions, small and large, coming together at points in history and creating a power that (corporatized/militarized) governments cannot suppress." — Howard Zinn, historian and author

"Protest beyond the law is not a departure from democracy; it is absolutely essential to it." — Howard Zinn

"They must find it difficult... those who have taken authority as the truth, rather than truth as the authority." — Gerald Massey

"Our only hope today lies in our ability to recapture the revolutionary spirit and go out into a sometimes hostile world declaring eternal hostility to poverty, racism, and militarism." — Martin Luther King, Jr.

"Remember that history isn't the way the corporate controlled media made it look like. Read between the lines and free your mind. REVOLUTION IS THE BIRTH OF EQUALITY... and the antithesis to oppression." — Felipe Andres Coronel (Immortal Technique)

"Almost always, the creative dedicated *minority* has made the world better." — Martin Luther King Jr.

"Every effort for progress, for enlightenment, for science, for religious, political and economic liberty, emanates from the *minority*, and not from the mass." — Emma Goldman (famous female anarchist and radical free thinker/icon <3)

rex and the Antifa are disinformation agents serving the elitist Establishment. 25.Feb.2013 12:41

Antifas are fascists

The message of rex/Antifa: 9/11 Truthers, critics of the War on Terrorism, critics of the Israeli theocracy, and critics of Global Warming are "dangerous conspiracy loons."

rex and the Antifa parrot the "official version" of the White House, the Pentagon, the mainstream media, and the corporations. rex and the Antifa are disinformation agents serving the elitist Establishment.

discussion

their own worst enemies 17.Jan.2013 18:45

seems to me

i just wanted to point out the fact that there are many, many people who can readily see that the real, likely very complex story about what happened on 9/11 will never be known, and if revealed, many people would still not believe the truth. and even more would not care. that's the sad part.

i was quite interested in the Truthers before they became zealots, developed their own "insider" language, then tried to shout down anyone who had any concern over anything else happening in the world - what assholes!

despite their best efforts, though, they did inspire a number of people to adopt the "Truther" label, who are doing credible work.

 http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Wx9GxXYKx_8&bpctr=1358477544

the link above is to a video about sandy hook - claiming that it was a set-up. still some rough spots, but there are numerous instances cited of memorial pages being set up for victims prior to the event, some by as many as 4 days. and there was also the threat of prosecution for people who publicly disagreed with what the police and other officials were saying about the incident (not mentioned in the video above, btw). there is a similar threat of prosecution in japan, concerning the official government pronouncements about radiation from the remains of the fukushima nuclear power plants.

the sandy hook video has over 10,000,000 hits. that's the point i'm trying to get to.

sorry, i'm old...

Don't be a doosh 17.Jan.2013 23:45

please

Anyone defending the "Sandy Hook Hoax" videos and the ensuing harassment of people are just supporting the same insane conspiracy zealots.

We're all heading down this road 18.Jan.2013 01:03

le sigh

Every group with any merit dies by it's zealots. They creep in, rise up, take over, and kill something useful with distortions. Rose city Anitfa and the Truthers, for example are a match made in heaven post-waring PDX IMC. The crazies lead the battle cry and the followers get greedy to ride the wave of importance pushing extremeist overreaching propaganda on everyone else. Your with us or against us. Its New World Order or Ron Paul. There can only be Israel or Palestine. Hide in your basement with all your guns or be a slave. It's bad for us though cause the crazies don't fizzle out but they crash and burn, taking a bunch of us down with them.

@Le Sigh 18.Jan.2013 01:35

weevil

I get what you're saying and agree with it --- that extremists can be found on all sides, and that they are the real opponent of free-thinking etc --- but while the truth may be *technically in-between* RCA, on the one hand, and the fascists and their supporters on the other, that doesn't mean it's located at the fifty-fifty mark... In my opinion the truth is far closer to the antifascists than to the Truthers, not least because RCA et al actually attempt to back up their claims with not just Quo Bono claims but with actually documented evidence of statements, communications, and collaborations (not to say that they are always perfect in this regard). So to say that they're just equal and the same simply because they are just *the two sides* of a dispute is to actually side with the so-called Truthers and against those who stand for critical thought as opposed to scapegoating and hearsay-as-a-principle.

Obnoxious Zealots or Saboteurs? 18.Jan.2013 09:21

Lone Stranger

How would TPTB go about insuring the perpetual marginality of those who would expose their crimes? Employ agent provocateurs to establish credence among the exposers, then ratchet up the obnoxiousness to repel the average citizen, perhaps?

@weevil 18.Jan.2013 13:40

agree mostly

What you said mostly, though I'm pretty much on the Antifa side. It doesn't take much research to find the "truther" connections to militias, the patriot movement and their right wing extremists even discounting the Portland Truth Alliance antics. Ego their "antics" should be no surprise. The only reason it shocked us is their organizers pretend to be left/anarchist radicals.

Dogs eat their own shit. 18.Jan.2013 13:54

Fidelity

I've said it before and I'll say it again: if you truly believe that the government conspired to kill 2,000+ innocent American citizens, then you have an imperative - a duty - to get out there and bring the Government to justice. Obviously the tactics of standing around on the street corner, and their occasional direct action, have failed to create meaningful results. So, if you really believe there's a conspiracy, you absolutely have to step it up to new levels. You need to step up your actions to political kidnapping and assassination, because failure to do so is entirely cowardly, simply unacceptable, and is only going to enable further violence against innocent people.

For example, if you've bought into the conspiracy, and you failed to eliminate or stop the architects of the conspiracy, then you are personally responsible for Sandy Hook, if you believe that the same architects were involved. You must know that further violence will be used by the same parties, and every time blood is spilled and you do nothing, you're enabling it.

If the systems of justice fail to do anything meaningful, especially if you believe that you have unimpeachable evidence of these crimes, then you need to get out there and physically stop the architects and power-players.

So, either the Truthers are a bunch of cowards, or they're only crazy ass extremists who know deep down that they're wrong. I think it's the later, but when I read comments by Blues, I tend to think it's the former.

Either way, these Truthers are entirely irrelevant to anyone doing anything - so why worry about what they're doing? Just let them have their book/documentary club jerk off where they all talk about how afraid they are of the government. If that makes them happy, fine. Enjoy eating your own shit.

@Lone Stranger 18.Jan.2013 13:56

obvious

"How would TPTB go about insuring the perpetual marginality of those who would expose their crimes? Employ agent provocateurs to establish credence among the exposers, then ratchet up the obnoxiousness to repel the average citizen, perhaps? "

Sorry stranger, much simpler than that. TPTB don't have to do anything...when the Alex Jones cult is there to swoop in and spin any disaster as OMG NWO JEWS ARE GONNA TAKE OVER FEMA. He's doing it for money. So is his friend Larouche and Icke.


Almost every "truther" group has a connection to either the Patriot movement, militias or far right anti-semite wackiness. This is not a coincidence. It's run by cultists. And just like a cult, leaders encourage followers to call people who oppose them "agents",COINTELPRO or some other scapegoat. They don't need to employ anyone. Though there is some evidence the STRATFOR organization has been acting as informants for the CIA in the "truth" movement. But that's probably because they want to keep tabs on international activities of MILITIAS and WHITE SUPREMACISTS that infest the "truth" movement.

Advice to non cultists who really think there's an issue? Join progressive anti war groups. NEVER use information pushed by far right loons. Have nothing to do with aliens/chemtrails/newage cult bullshit. SHUT THE FUCK UP ABOUT "INSIDE JOB". Seriously.

Frankly it sounds like you knew all that and just wanted to see what people would say.

Reread you comment and you will know 18.Jan.2013 14:24

see above

"Either way, these Truthers are entirely irrelevant to anyone doing anything - so why worry about what they're doing? "

Te obvious answer is...because the same far right clowns are behind the "Sandy Hook Hoax" harassment.

Those bitches need to be caught...don't you agree? Of course you agree. Because not to would be cowardly.

@See above 18.Jan.2013 16:07

Fidelity

No, you don't understand: I don't give a shit about Truthers or dumb fucking morons who think Sandy Hook was a hoax. Why do you? What would exposing their hypocrisy do for you, as an individual? It would do nothing, these people are worthless morons, let them be happy worthless morons. They are only given attention and fulfillment if you give it to them.

Let them pour their time into a crazy conspiracy theory, I'll grow my garden, and in the end, we'll see who's better off.

@weevil; @mostly agree 18.Jan.2013 16:38

le sigh

I know one side can be worse than another but the tactics bring everybody down to the same discredited ground. Its the us or them tactics. Both sides will attack who ever is close to the main target. What might have been collateral damage is treated as the same as the real problem. If you question 911 inside job than your accused by one group as a spy or an ignorant sheep. And if you stick up for City Bikes then another group labeles you a nazi and a supporter of that one guy who works there out of all the other really good people who work there. We need to deal with bad government and weed out the problem people in our communities but in ways that don't take everyone down. When the crazy zealots push for whatever all out war, in any group, in any organization, it spells disaster for everybody. I hear the same arguments from liberal pundits and conservative pundits blaming eachother for the same things. It doesn't matter who's right to the crazies running the show because all the crazies want is war. The rest of us sensible people just need to remove the crazies from power and deal with real problems.

Gene Rosen cares 18.Jan.2013 18:29

...............

You know the guy the Sandy Hook Truthers are harassing? If you bothered to follow the link in article, which you obviously didn't.

Fidelity is one of those libertarian "me firsters". As long as HE personally isn't being threatened, he doesn't want to hear about it.

Why does Fidelity care other people care about dangerous conspiracy loons? If he really didn't care that much, he wouldn't be trying to convince IMC readers "move along nothing to see". Maybe if people HAD NOT ignored that weird Vicsim conspiracy bs, this bullshit Sandy Hook Hoax wouldn't be happening now.

Maybe we should start stalking Fidelity, maybe he'd start caring then.

More likely he'd miss the point. Wasn't he defending Polanski in another thread?

Clueless. If I ever see someone breaking into Fidelity's house, I'll remember his advice and ignore it. He'll be proud.

@guy who can't even come up with a handle 18.Jan.2013 22:06

Fidelity

First, will you please just pick a handle (i.e. name to put in the "author" field)? This will improve everyone's communication.

Second, simply understand this: there's absolutely no way to convince these Truther people of anything. Gene Rosen is just fucked. He's fucked. He's fucked. He's fucked. Say it with me: "He's fucked." Another victim of the internet and the crazy ass people that spread crazy ass rumors. This thread on Indymedia won't do anything, nor will showing up at Truther meetings do anything, just about nothing you can do will make Mr. Rosen's life better. Just about nothing you can do will make Truthers stop harassing him. Again, say it with me: he's fucked.

So, I simply ask: "Why bother?"

No, I didn't defend Polanski, I was attacking an anti-sex asshole who was using "feminism" to attack and discredit people. I'm not sure if you're aware, but there's delusional assholes out there who actually use the internet to discredit innocent people. (I'm not saying Polanski is innocent, I think the poster of that article has been spreading lots of rumors on PIMC recently.) Sometimes these people are actually paid provocateurs by the government or private agencies, and they specialize in spreading rumors about predominate activists. (surprising, right?) I always speak up when someone starts accusing someone else of doing something when there's no evidence whatsoever. A very good friend of mine was "outed" on Indymedia years ago as a spy, without any sort of evidence at all, and it ruined his real life. Someone thought it would be a funny prank, or they were just a delusional asshole, and they ruined the real relationships he had with real people. This person was a key architect and leader of Portland activism in multiple communities, deeply involved in the anarchist and marxist community, and basically a couple rumors shunned him from every community. Since he left the core activists in Portland, not a lot has really happened other than Occupy and the occasional get together. It's a real lesson to be learned, and look no further than this Mr. Rosen to see how internet rumors destroy real people. I chimed in to the last discussion when someone called a person who uses their real name a "rape apologist" just for disagreeing, that was an injustice, and as it was explained in that thread, the person they were accusing was actually raped as a child. I won't stand for that bullshit, and neither should you, especially if you're concerned about Mr. Rosen. There's a very real group of extremists in PDX that have toxic views of self-importance and use political ideology as a basis of attacking activists without evidence. I'm half convinced they're paid to do so, the other half of me thinks they're just crazy. These people actually conspire against others who they perceive as "not radical enough" - or however they negatively perceive their target - and rather than devote their time and energy to promoting positive change (or deconstructing the systems that oppress them) they simply attack other people who are doing great things.

Please review @le sigh's comment, that author is spelling it out the way it is: too many dipshits fight eachother rather than the actual systems of oppression. It's easier to attack people and stoke infighting and division than do good things yourself. Just take a rational look at what's going on, and really ask yourself what changes you can make to what's happening.

@obvious, "Join progressive anti war groups" - that's the worst idea out there. I worked closely with those groups for 3 fucking years of my life. When a movement has 12 years of failure, it's time to ask yourself "why?" And that's something they never do, they simply won't confront the *fact* that everything they're doing is a failure...though, that's a problem in many movements today. Please, take my advice to any other reader: the "progressive anti war groups" are entirely toxic.

Also, if you want to stalk me that's fine, I can just buy you a beer or show you my penis, whatever makes it easier for you.

who should pick a handle? 19.Jan.2013 02:06

rex

This bs happens alla time here. Someone's butthurt they're loosing an argument and imagines they know who's their "enemy".

Dunno how many times troofer clowns were blaming "rex" for any Antifa paranoia du jour....just reply t the issue and drop the fishing. Geez.

In a Time of Universal Deceit... 19.Jan.2013 08:33

Lone Stranger

Here is my response to those who commented on my earlier post above:

In a time of universal deceit, telling the truth is a revolutionary act - George Orwell

It is dangerous to be right when the government is wrong - Voltaire

Ask LAU Professor James Tracy if there is any danger in questioning the ever - changing "official story" of Sandy Hook!

Why was there so little about the Oregon mall shooting or Sandy Hook on Portland Indy?

Why do most of my posts not get past the Portland Indy censor?

Why does exposing evidence of government wrongdoing justify reprisal by our government or their minions?

Why do exposers of government wrongdoing receive prominence on "hate site" honeypots?

If public discussion prevents or merely delays our government's next 'false flag", the efforts of the exposers will have been worthwhile, imo.

As to any obligation someone suggests I have, to do more than simply discuss our government's wrongdoing, my answer is - I HAVE NO SUCH OBLIGATION! I would encourage those involved to confess their misdeeds to a Truth and Reconciliation Committee, but I suspect that the Classified Information Nondisclosure Agreement SF-312 they signed might be an obstacle for them - SO I'M NOT EVEN DOING THAT!

Lone Stranger

. 19.Jan.2013 23:11

. 41

For decades we were told that on Dec 7, 1941 the Japanese launched a "surprise" attack on Pearl Harbor. Then in 2008 The History Channel showed a documentary about how the US had broken the Japanese naval codes. FDR knew the attack was coming and allowed it to happen so that the American people would be outraged and become pro-war. FDR was smart enough to move the aircraft carriers out of harm's way.

Either you believe the Accidental View of history (as taught in establishment schools) or you believe in the Conspiratorial View of history, which states that wealthy individuals manipulate events to augment their power and wealth. That would NEVER happen!!! NEVER!!!!!!

@Fidelity 20.Jan.2013 13:17

wtf

>>>Say it with me: "He's fucked." Another victim of the internet and the crazy ass people that spread crazy ass rumors.

Why the fuck are you on IMC if you think doing anything about anything is hopeless?

Gene wouldn't be "fucked" if the owners of the websites spreading this shit were held accountable. Nothing like a little "blowback". It could happen.

@wtf 21.Jan.2013 10:56

Fidelity

"Why the fuck are you on IMC if you think doing anything about anything is hopeless?"

I do not believe "doing anything about anything is helpless." I think there are real concrete solutions you could take, hence I wrote "Just about nothing you can do" not "Absolutely nothing you can do."

If you start attacking someone's ideology, especially if they're a conspiracy loon, they're going to think that you're being deceptive, that you're attacking them because they're correct, and it will only embolden them. So, you have to be very careful, as we can already see from above comments: some people get really heated because they fundamentally believe they have unimpeachable evidence, or at least questions of such importance that they demand an answer. You stir a hornets nest. You do not clear muddy water by disturbing it.

In the market place of ideas it's easier to dispel and limit noxious ideology with the truth, as then it becomes less likely to spread. The thing about the market place is that it does not affect the actual distributor of the noxious doctrine, that person can still fundamentally and deeply believe that Sandy Hook was a conspiracy by the Mole people in cahoots with Moon overlords, and *nothing* you can do will square that crazy person to the facts (hence: they are crazy). Part of it is this concept of "The illusion of asymmetric insight" (check it out!), the other part is the immutable truth: you will never, ever, convince someone after you've said the words "You are wrong."

@. 41 . - Hey, you should check out the book "War is a Racket" (1935) by Marine Corps General Smedley Butler, he was an Elite within society and he predicted the War with Japan and Germany long before it came, he spelled out what's wrong with our society and "How to smash this racket." You'd enjoy it.

@Rex - everyone should pick a handle to put in the "author" field and use it regularly and repeatedly. There's no point in trying to stay anonymous on PIMC unless you're connected through Tor via SSL, not having a regular handle just makes it difficult to communicate to specific comments/authors.

rex and Antifas are gatekeepers for US Government and elitist Establishment 25.Feb.2013 13:24

Antifas are Fascists

Question: Why do rex, low Fidelity, and the Antifas always vehemently ridicule 9/11 Truthers, critics of the bogus War on Terrorism, critics of Israel, and critics of the Global Warming hysteria?

Answer: Because rex, low Fidelity, and the Antifas are gatekeepers for the US Government and the elitist Establishment.

Here's some crazy conspiracy theories for you:

Arabs with boxcutters made the Twin Towers collapse.

The (bogus) threat of international Islamic terrorism.

The Israelis are only defending themselves.

CO2 will incinerate the planet.

Just to lighten things up, here's a joke: "Israel is a Democracy." (Audience laughter).

Okay, here's another joke: "The USA is a Democracy." (More audience laughter).