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City Bikes President Tim Calvert Hosts Right-Wing Bomber

This Sunday, September 9, the Portland 9/11 Truth Alliance plans to host a potluck and gathering at Sellwood Park in Oregon. In its event announcement, the 9/11 Truth Alliance mentions that this gathering will feature "an extra interesting participant." The participant in question, Fritz Springmeier, is an individual deeply connected to antisemitic, white nationalist, and militant anti-choice organizing. Springmeier is an extreme-Right activist who served a nine-year prison sentence for a bank robbery with a neo-Nazi accomplice, Forrest Bateman. Springmeier and Bateman also bombed an adult video store. This year's 9/11 Truth Alliance gathering at Sellwood Park is the second time that the Alliance has hosted Fritz Springmeier, having also featured Springmeier as a key speaker at a September 2011 "Continuing Education for Dissident Citizens" event held at Sellwood Community Center, the same year that Springmeier was released from prison.
Tim Calvert represents the 9/11 Truth Alliance at a January 2011 protest
Tim Calvert represents the 9/11 Truth Alliance at a January 2011 protest
The Springmeier events fit with the overall politics of the Portland 9/11 Truth Alliance. The Alliance has previously organized support for other racist extreme-Right organizers, as our organization for example pointed out in 2009 when the 9/11 Truth Alliance hosted self-described "white separatist" Valdas Anelauskas in Portland, and when a few months later the Alliance sent a contingent to support the Portland tour stop of notorious Holocaust-denier and Naziphile, David Irving. A central organizer for the Valdas Anelauskas event in 2009, Tim Calvert, has recently stepped up his activism with the 9/11 Truth Alliance once again. Calvert's activism involves both organizing of events for far-Right speakers, and also his own spreading of antisemitic propaganda. Rose City Antifa believe that a key factor enabling Calvert's activism is the support he receives from his workplace at Citybikes Workers' Cooperative, as well as the apathy and tacit acceptance of large segments of the regional co-op movement towards Calvert's Judeophobic organizing.

Rose City Antifa aim in this report to provide some context about Fritz Springmeier and Springmeier's associations, as well as to discuss the politics of the 9/11 Truth Alliance and Tim Calvert's return to public far-Right activism. We hope that the information we provide here is used to finally take the president of Citybikes Workers' Cooperative to account, after more than three years of negligence and denial within Citybikes and the broader West Coast co-op movement about Calvert's anti-Jewish agitation.

Fritz Springmeier

Fritz Springmeier is an Oregon-based conspiracy theorist and author of such books as Bloodlines of the Illuminati. Springmeier's works attempt to draw attention to what he perceives as massive conspiracies for global domination by hidden cabals and their "Illuminati" bloodlines. Springmeier's research focuses in particular on family names such as the Rothschilds, commonly used as stand-ins for "the Jews" within antisemitic conspiracy discourse. However, Springmeier is far from shy about his beliefs concerning Jewish power, arguing for example that "the core of the conspiracy of power is Jewish" in Bloodlines.

With politics such as these, Fritiz Springmeier once fit right in within the Christian Patriot Association (CPA), a racist group once headquartered in Boring, Oregon. The CPA itself fell apart with the conviction of six of its members on fraud charges in 2002, these charges stemming from a warehouse bank operated by the CPA. In earlier times, however, the CPA was a major force on the Oregon far-Right for over a decade. Prominent members of the CPA such as Jeff Weakley of God's Remnant Church also promoted "Christian Identity" theology, arguing that white Europeans and Euro-Americans are the true chosen people of scripture, with modern Jewish people being imposters. Springmeier himself is favorable towards some varieties of Christian Identity thought, arguing that many Identity adherents operate under a "Christian perspective and place themselves under the authority of God."

Within the Christian Patriots Association, Springmeier also met Forrest Bateman. Bateman was at one point a bonehead (racist pseudo-"skinhead") who in 1989 was convicted of racially intimidating a high school student in Forest Grove. In 1997, Springmeier and Bateman both took part in a bank robbery, which they were later arrested and convicted for. The October 1997 bank robbery involved a diversionary pipe bombing of an adult video store to draw away police attention prior to the hold-up of a Key Bank branch. The Damascus, Oregon robbery netted just $6000. The choice of an adult video store as a diversionary bombing target is reminiscent of the earlier targeting of adult businesses in the Pacific Northwest by The Order/Silent Brotherhood neo-Nazi terrorist group during the 1980s.

Springmeier and Bateman were not linked by investigators to the Damascus bank robbery until several years after the incident. In February 2001, a property near Sandy, Oregon was raided, with 50 marijuana plants, grow equipment, plus a significant haul of weapons seized. Forrest Bateman and two other people were arrested following the raid. Also seized during this raid was a binder marked "Army of God, Yahweh's Warriors." The Army of God is an anti-choice terrorist group responsible for arsons, bombings and assassinations targeting abortion providers. Fritz Springmeier himself was arrested following a later raid on his Corbett residence on March 1, 2001, and both Springmeier and Bateman were indicted the following year as information surrounding the 1997 armed bank robbery came to light in the aftermath of the raids. With the end of the Bateman and Springmeier trials, additional information about the contents of the "Army of God" binder found in 2001 also surfaced--according to one report, the binder contained a list that could have been targets for terrorist actions.

Springmeier supporters complain that their hero was simply a target of sinister forces who wished to shut him up about Illuminati mind control. The Portland 9/11 Truth Alliance gave Springmeier his first public speaking event following release from federal prison; a video of Springmeier's rambling speech recorded by event attendee Joe Anybody is available online.

Tim Calvert

While another member of the 9/11 Truth Alliance with his own long history of anti-Jewish activism--Tim Titrud--used his email to announce the 2011 "Continuing Education for Dissident Citizens" event at which Fritz Springmeier gave his presentation, Citybikes president Tim Calvert was also deeply involved. Calvert himself gave a presentation early at the Sellwood Community Center event, and a phone number used by Calvert was displayed on the Portland 9/11 Truth Alliance website in promoting the 2011 Sellwood event. Rose City Antifa has also confirmed with Portland Parks & Recreation that the renter of space at Sellwood Community Center for the 9/11 Truth Alliance events in September 2011, as well as the person reserving space in Sellwood Park for the 9/11 Truth Alliance event on September 9 this year, is Tim Calvert.

Calvert has been highly public about his involvement with the Portland 9/11 Truth Alliance over the last couple of years. Earlier, in 2009, Calvert had attempted to put some distance between himself and the 9/11 Truth Alliance, after Calvert was criticized for his central role in organizing a speaking event for racist Valdas Anelauskas in Portland. Calvert issued a pseudo-apology after that event was criticized by anti-fascists. In his response to what he called a "smear campaign," Calvert made a point of acknowledging "the Holocaust" only as one of many "horrors of WWII"--a line which is itself congruent with Holocaust-denial--and also suggested that Valdas Anelauskas had "good points." Around this time, Calvert also withdrew from the Laughing Horse Books collective, where he had initially attempted to host Anelauskas and where he had also earlier supported attempts by the 9/11 Truth Alliance to host homophobic and anti-choice extremist Mary Starrett at the venue. Citybikes itself responded to news about Calvert's antisemitic activism by first issuing a statement applauding Calvert and criticizing antifascists. The Citybikes co-op subsequently issued a revised statement retracting their initial attack, stating that it had not been approved by every member of the co-op, and stating that they recognized the need for communication. That same month, the Portland 9/11 Truth Alliance sent a group to support a Portland appearance by Holocaust-denier David Irving. Calvert, in the spotlight because of his politics, did not attend the Irving event.

Calvert soon publicly joined back up with the same Portland 9/11 Truth Alliance, however. Within a few months Calvert had talked with Willamette Week reporter James Pitkin for a smear piece on Rose City Antifa, Calvert characterizing himself and others in the Portland 9/11 Truth Alliance as victims of a shadowy campaign rather than as individuals taken to account for hosting a hardore antisemite. The following year, a joint Pacifica Forum-Portland 9/11 Truth Alliance flyer distributed against the 2010 Anti-Racist Action conference in Portland identified Tim Calvert as "one of us" and alleged that Rose City Antifa was complicit with "Zionists." Calvert identified himself yet again as a Portland 9/11 Truth Alliance member in January 2011, when a video posted on Youtube provided his organizational affiliation.

Apart from the Springmeier appearances, some other Portland 9/11 Truth Alliance guests whose appearances Calvert has promoted in recent years are Jim Fetzer, Leuren Moret, and Susan Lindauer. Jim Fetzer is a conspiracy theorist who publicly denies that he is an antisemite while recycling antisemitic myths such as those of "dancing Israelis" on 9/11/01, as well as promoting writings by antisemitic propagandists such as Benjamin Freedman. Leuren Moret is an anti-nuclear activist who believes that the 2011 major Japan earthquake and subsequent nuclear crises were actually caused by "tectonic nuclear warfare" on behalf of a "banker"/"British" conspiracy. (London bankers is yet another antisemitic shorthand, similar the use of "Zionists" when describing a global conspiracy.) In an online video Moret fulminates about conspiracies by the "Rothschilds," whereas in yet another she describes depleted uranium as "Zionist extermination." Susan Lindauer is best known for being accused of conspiracy on behalf of the Iraqi government under Saddam Hussein. While perhaps not as rabid an antisemite as Fetzer or Moret, Lindauer argues that there was "Mossad complicity" in the 9/11/01 attacks, and she has also been featured on a number of antisemitic and white nationalist websites.

In his presentation of September 10, 2011--at the 9/11 Truth Alliance event Calvert booked and where Springmeier would later talk--Tim Calvert made his own politics clear once again. Calvert's presentation, allegedly on the topic of "Critical Thinking," is also available online, having been recorded and then circulated by videographer Joe Anybody. Calvert discusses the US media as being controlled by special interests, the example provided by Calvert being an NPR journalist who Calvert believes ought to have disclosed that she was married to an Israeli citizen and that she lives in Israel--this is a rather obvious attempt to invoke the "dual loyalties" antisemitic myth, and to suggest that the special interest in question behind the US media is a "Zionist"/Jewish one. Calvert then proceeds to cite as his support Alison Weir, the president of the Council for the National Interest infamous for pushing the modern blood libel that there is an Israeli conspiracy to harvest the organs of Palestinian children.

Calvert's presentation rambles about the Tavistock Institute, a UK institution who Calvert believes has its roots in a broader Jewish attempt (ostensibly because it is linked to a nephew of Freud) to manipulate British public opinion against Germany enough to pave the way for World War and for the WWII air bombings against German civilian targets. In Calvert's topsy-turvy world, WWII therefore becomes a narrative about Jews attacking Germans, not the other way around. With such remarks about Tavistock etcetera behind him, Calvert then makes the following characterization: "Rose City Antifa, otherwise known as the anonymous Zionist hit squad trained by Tavistock and resembling most closely Israeli settlers in the West Bank of Jerusalem. We all become Palestinians in Gaza when the Zionists declare you the enemy." It is clear from such commentary that Calvert is not interested in any actual criticism of Israeli state policies, but rather that he believes in a massive Jewish conspiracy with worldwide reach which caused everything from Britain's entering into World War II to antifascists now criticizing Calvert. This is extreme antisemitism, thoroughly consistent with Calvert's political direction for over half a decade.

Immediately following Calvert's 2011 presentation at the Sellwood Community Center space he booked, another panel featured 9/11 Truth activists discussing what they considered as "false flag" operations. Tim Titrud spoke out about "false flag" reports of anti-gay violence, singling out Matthew Shepard, who was tortured and murdered by two homophobic men in 1998. In Titrud's repulsive logic, he paints right-wing Christians as the true victims of a queer conspiracy to rob them of their right to be bigots. Richard Frager contributed some conspiracy theories about the JFK assassination. Ramping things up, Cathie Bell then talked about "Zionist" control of Congress, and about how the 2011 mass murder by Anders Behring Breivik in Norway was actually a "false flag"/mind control operation orchestrated by Israel to punish Norway for siding with the Palestinians. The footage of Calvert's political associates is available online as well.

Calvert, Citybikes and the Co-op Movement

In 2009, Rose City Antifascists warned of antisemitic agitation by Tim Calvert and the Portland 9/11 Truth Alliance. We asked Citybikes, allegedly a business that is part of the progressive community, to hold Tim Calvert accountable for his hateful activism by firing the promoter of Holocaust deniers and "racialists". Citybikes stood by Calvert. While Citybikes retracted their initial clear statement of hostility to antifascists, the cooperative then replaced this with an alleged commitment to dialogue which of course led to them putting the issue aside and doing nothing. Tim Calvert subsequently felt confident to host yet another batch of far-Right speakers over the following three years, including Springmeier whose proximity to white supremacists and the Army of God has been documented. Citybikes Workers' Cooperative continued to put food on Calvert's plate. Calvert continued and escalated his antisemitic activism while remaining firmly ensconced in the presumed progressive co-op community.

Tim Calvert has stated why he believes that the cooperative movement is important from the position of his politics. In his online book review of William Sutton's Wall Street and the Bolshevik Revolution--a book alleging that financial cabals were behind the Bolshevik Revolution--Calvert writes that "my take on 'leftest' [sic] 'progressive' social movements would have been greatly altered" had he been exposed to this conspiracy book earlier: "Now it is clear that resistance to the New World Order must begin by breaking from as many connections you have with it as possible and that includes work, consumption and leisure. Controlling Local Markets is the only sure way of breaking from the globalists." Calvert here argues that movements such as the co-op movement are important as a way of resisting a vast global conspiracy, the same conspiracy that Calvert elsewhere describes as "Zionist." The Co-ops are important to Calvert because he now sees them as a tool of independence from Jewish control.

In general, the co-op movement on the West Coast has stood with Calvert. Many attempts were made by genuine anti-racists within the Western Worker Cooperative Conference (WWCC) to discuss Calvert's activities and to educate about antisemitism. Some members of the WWCC were sympathetic, but Calvert was never formally asked to leave the WWCC Board. The WWCC Board formally refused to discuss any reprimand for Calvert. Calvert nonetheless resigned from the Board of his own free will in early 2011, having never been censured. The clear majority position within WWCC leadership was that Calvert's star power within that community trumped his questionable political trajectory. In fact, Calvert's clout in these circles enables him to more effectively recruit and gives his proto-fascist leanings both cover and credibility. The WWCC website continues to pay tribute to Calvert as a conference founder, stating nothing about Calvert's extreme politics.

The WWCC stance demonstrates how co-op politics are not necessarily the same thing as anti-oppression politics. Even when anti-oppression politics are given lip service within the West Coast co-op movement, antisemitism generally is overlooked, considered as unimportant, or viewed as just a smear label unjustly applied across the board to critics of the Israeli state. Rose City Antifa has seen antisemitism be a common focus for various strains of far-right organizers to rally around, as in the Pacifica Forum where psuedo-intellectuals, conspiracy theorists, anti-choicers, and neo-Nazis would network around their shared hatred of Jews. We also view antisemitism such as Calvert's, which comes cloaked in Leftist trappings (anti-globalist language, anti-capitalist rhetoric, etc), as an entry point for some to an increasingly racist, sexist, and homophobic world view. Coded antisemitic talk about the "bankers" can be a palatable prelude to later indoctrination in the extreme Right. Our organization's experience has been that despite the good intentions of scattered individuals within it, opponents of antisemitism should expect no solidarity from the WWCC or the West Coast co-op movement in general.

Rose City Antifa sees it as politically important to work with those committed to turning the tide within the regional co-op movement over the long term. In the meantime we strongly condemn the support Citybikes and the co-op movement have extended to Tim Calvert, support that has translated to more Jew-haters and extreme-Right organizers being welcomed in Portland.

homepage: homepage: http://rosecityantifa.org
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further info 09.Sep.2012 11:23

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The version of this story on the Rose City Antifa website contains hyperlinks to further documentation.

 link to rosecityantifa.weebly.com

Re:@ 09.Sep.2012 14:10

Breadmachine

Rose City Antifa is an Anti-Racist Action chapter. The group's job is to oppose racist and fascist organizing. Tim Calvert is organizing racist speaking events. It actually makes all the sense in the world that RCA would go after the co-ops that have supported him, especially since he continues to organize racist speaking events. Antisemitism is real and just as serious as other kinds of racism. If Calvert were organizing NSM rallies, would you still support the co-op's decision to stand by their man?

It's actually in some ways MORE dangerous that he's doing it under the guise of being a "nice co-op guy" and not a "mean, scary, tattooed racist." He's doing the same thing, but because it comes in nicer packaging, the co-op doesn't see it as a serious issue. For that reason, he continues to keep his foothold, masquerading as a progressive "good guy" at work, while in his free time he's arranging for bigots to come spread hateful messages to broader and broader audiences of people.

Shame on City Bikes for not dealing with this problem when it first came up.

coo coo for truther puffs 09.Sep.2012 15:20

bill

Everyone should keep in mind that we have many anti-corporate bicycle shops here in Portland that do not employ crypto-nazi assholes like Tim Calvert.

 http://abettercycle.blogspot.com/

 http://bikefarm.org/

 http://www.northportlandbikeworks.org/

ANTIFA FUCKING ROCKS 09.Sep.2012 17:14

rex

Related article:

 http://portland.indymedia.org/en/2012/09/417870.shtml

WE LOVE U

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Additional information about the Christian Patriot Association 09.Sep.2012 20:34

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Additional information about the Christian Patriot Association, which Fritz Springmeier was involved within, may be found in Chapter 2, Section 2.13 of "The Northwest Imperative: Documenting a Decade of Hate" published in 1994 by the Coalition for Human Dignity & the Northwest Coalition Against Malicious Harassment.

That chapter is available as a .pdf online here:
 http://buildingdemocracy.org/NWCHD/NorthwestImperative/NorthwestImperative-Chapter2.pdf

The entire report is available as part of the Northwest Coalition for Human Dignity archives available here:
 link to buildingdemocracy.org

Conversation - 3 years later 11.Sep.2012 17:46

Joe Anybody iam@joeanybody.com

FYI
I am looking for 911 Truth and "what really happened"... I'm on many email lists, and Im not hiding.
Does being on an email list make me to be a fascist / racist crypto-nazi?
I have filmed close to 1,000 events over a very wide array of topics and participants, and have learned a lot along the way.

3 years ago .... Did I know he was a right wing, (cough) racist, bomber ..."no"
Did I film the presentation 3 years ago... yes
Did you watch it... yes
Are you telling other about it?... yes
So whats your point, I filmed it and "you watched it"
Does that make you a DUMBASS too?
Nothing that was said at the time when I was filming, made me think "Hey this is racism fascism crypto-nazism".
I was looking and hoping to document the truth about 911 issues....period!

I don't know why you need to call me a crypto-nazi, racist, fascist, dumbass?
I'm trying to document activists who are standing up and people speaking truth to power for social justice.
None of the videos I have posted are encouraging racism or Nazism or pro militarism or anti-Semitism, etc.
What really are you motives, besides shit talking me on portland indymedia, whats the point of all this?
Do you know of any of my videos, or words I have written that are contray to what I am saying?

You hide behind a no name; calling me names [that are unwarranted and not even true.]
Basically you are lying about me on indymedia.
If what you say, makes me a DUMBASS, well good for you to be the one to say it.
Call me a dumbass but your slander is uncalled for.

Did I film a 911 Truth presentation 3 years ago ... yes I did.
Do I go to their meetings, organize, and plan their agenda and speakers... no never have.
I have filmed some of the 911 truth events but its been a few years, and none have been racist etc. (that I am aware of)
Do I support right wing racist fascists... hell no!

Do I support Antifa? I always considered my self to be in solidarity.
Is there information you want to share to help me out, feel free to share it...
At least I am willing to listen.
If you wanna call me names and make shit up about me, then I have nothing more to say.

hey, joe 11.Sep.2012 20:18

stop making excuses

"3 years ago .... Did I know he was a right wing, (cough) racist, bomber ..."no"
Did I film the presentation 3 years ago... yes
Did you watch it... yes
Are you telling other about it?... yes
So whats your point, I filmed it and "you watched it"
Does that make you a DUMBASS too?
Nothing that was said at the time when I was filming, made me think "Hey this is racism fascism crypto-nazism".
I was looking and hoping to document the truth about 911 issues....period! "

uh huh. you weren't even slightly curious about who the hell fritz was? it's all there in his wiki>>>  http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Fritz_Springmeier

and as far as anyone can tell fritz has nothing to do with "911" bs. he's just a racist criminal wacko. that YOUR GROUP is promoting.

you march with them:  http://portland.indymedia.org/en/2007/07/361946.shtml

follow their events:  http://portland.indymedia.org/en/2012/02/413910.shtml?discuss

and you claim you're just on their email list? maybe you should do something about that.

3 YEARS AGO they brought another racist to town  http://portland.indymedia.org/en/2009/06/391879.shtml

are you going to say you didn't notice that one either? what about this one?

 http://portland.indymedia.org/en/2009/07/392889.shtml

after that you STAYED ON THEIR EMAIL LIST? FER REALZ?

"Do you know of any of my videos, or words I have written that are contray to what I am saying? "

sorry dude the whole point of outing calvert(and titrud for that matter) is they've been very fucking careful about what they say publicly. they've been crypto nazis for years, only caught recently. and it's the associations that sunk them. you're nobody special. to quote another comment:

"Tim Calvert may be a radical, but he is not a left radical. I don't see any merit politically or personally in having solidarity with any old person that has some type of stance against the "system" or whatever. I guess that means you count the patriot movement, the Tea Party and the white nationalist crowd amongst your radical buddies. Well, just as long as they like bikes and dress like hippies right? "

you don't want to be mistaken for a fascist, STOP HANGING WITH THEM. GET OFF THEIR LISTS, STOP ATTENDING THEIR EVENTS AS A SUPPORTER.

no one's "making up" shit about you. it is all online. you support portland 9/11 truth alliance. you have for years. the only conclusion a logical person can make is you support their agenda. maybe you want to rethink that, and if you said something like, "yeah i was on their list because of 9/11 issues but didn't see until now their anti semite agenda. that sucks", that might fly.


but all this defensive shit indicates someone who knew and didn't expect to be called on it.

Joe Anybody's "Conversation - 3 years later" 11.Sep.2012 20:44

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Hi Joe,

The event was not three years ago, it was Saturday, September 10, 2011 that Springmeier gave the talk you recorded and then later circulated. September 10, 2011 was one year and one day ago today.

You have certainly circulated antisemitic videos. You recorded and posted online Tim Calvert's speech also of September 10, 2011. That's the speech in which Calvert blames a Jewish conspiracy ("Tavistock") for bringing Britain into WWII and victimizing poor helpless Germans--as pointed out, a totally offensive reversal of what happened, because it was the German Third Reich that had a "Final Solution" for the Jewish people. If you don't understand what is antisemitic about Calvert's presentation and why such propaganda should not be circulated, you should begin to educate yourself on the issues, because as of now you have helped out some really ugly organizing.

As you are aware, Rose City Antifa first raised the issue of the Portland 9/11 Truth Alliance's work with antisemites, white supremacists and Holocaust-deniers over three years ago. You've nonetheless tagged along with the Alliance well after they were exposed as an antisemitic organization. If you have made a horrible choice of who to work with politically, it's certainly okay to admit such terrible decisions, apologize, and to do things differently in the future. It actually does matter who you promote politically and do work with, and it's possible that you will be criticized when you promote hardline bigots.

Recommended reading 11.Sep.2012 20:49

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If people are unsure about what antisemitism is, how it shows itself, or how to oppose it, one good initial resource would be April Rosenblum's pamphlet "The Past Didn't Go Anywhere: Making Resistance to Antisemitism Part of All of Our Movements", available online for free here:

 http://www.thepast.info/

* info 12.Sep.2012 15:26

joe anybody

I will read the .pdf link on what is anti semitism.

Chronology 13.Sep.2012 22:06

anti-racist

A lengthy chronology on "The Portland 9/11 Truth Alliance, Tim Calvert, Antisemitism and the Extreme-Right" is now available online at:
 http://rosecityantifa.org/1/post/2012/09/911-truth-timeline.html

FALSE FACTS 16.Sep.2012 10:15

Fritz Springmeier springmeiermessages@hotmail.com

Unfortunately, indymedia is regurgitating false facts about me and what is sad is that they are using them to target someone else unrelated to me. They accuse me of being anti-semitic. They would be surprised to find out where I worship. They claim I bombed something---ignoring the fact that that charge was dropped by the court. And the bomb in question was a propane tank in a bag that never exploded. I am not going to waste time on the lies that were written, but people are welcome to go to my blog pentracks.com and read what I really say instead of believing your lies.


BS from Fritz Springmeier 17.Sep.2012 00:01

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Fritz Springmeier's response to this article is quite far from honest. While Springmeier's charge of using and carrying a destructive device was not sent to the jury following a court ruling at trial, Springmeier was nevertheless convicted of one charge of armed bank robbery as well as a charge stemming from use of a firearm during that bank robbery. The jury decided that Springmeier so closely aided and abetted the robbery plot as to be criminally liable for the actions of other robbers, such as Bateman's discharge of a firearm during the robbery, which Springmeier knew was part of the plan.

Testimony from one of Springmeier's co-conspirators heard during trial made clear that Springmeier was indeed involved in both planning and carrying out the robbery--including such aspects as the diversionary use of a destructive device at an adult video store. When one is intimately involved in a conspiracy including the setting of a bomb, it is quite right to be labeled as a bomber, whatever the status of the related criminal charge. The jury, in convicting on the other charges, made it clear that in their view Springmeier was a full part of the bank robbery plot. Springmeier now alleges that the bomb at the adult video store never exploded, despite even Springmeier's supporters such as antisemitic conspiracy theorist Henry Makow previously using the word "exploded" to describe what happened. Needless to say, press accounts of the bombing/bank robbery also describe the bomb as being "detonated". Rather strangely, Springmeier seems to think that by pointing out that the device included a propane tank, the bomb somehow becomes less of a serious matter.

Springmeier's antisemitism is not in any doubt, despite Springmeier's protest to the contrary. Springmeier's Bloodlines of the Illuminati for example writes of the Jewish people in the following way:

"One group that has been very easy for Satan to provoke against Christians is the Jews. Perhaps no group of people has hated Christians with more intensity. One of the first groups that Satan worked at controlling were the Jews."

Although Springmeier afterwards states that the world conspiracy he alleges is essentially Satanic rather than essentially Jewish, this does little to actually moderate his argument, especially as Springmeier goes on to target the "Rothschilds" as the central family of his alleged Satanic conspiracy.

Springmeier was also active in the Christian Patriots Association. I provided a link earlier in this thread about the CPA and its politics--these politics contained pronounced antisemitic and racist aspects. Springmeier's denial is therefore highly unconvincing.

The idea that the aim of antifascists is just to "target someone else unrelated to" Springmeier is misleading for a couple of reasons. Firstly, antifascists actually do oppose Springmeier, for reasons of Springmeier's antisemitism and extreme-Right politics set forth in the initial article. Citybikes President Tim Calvert did associate himself with Springmeier, the facts of the association also having been set out in the initial article. Calvert secured a location for both of the Portland 9/11 Truth Alliance events featuring Springmeier, and actively organized for and promoted the September 2011 event including Springmeier. Contrary to Springmeier, therefore, Calvert is very much related to him as well and to Springmeier's public appearances.

Springmeier's Pentracks Blog 17.Sep.2012 07:48

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The blog Springmeier is plugging to prove he's not anti Semite not so surprisingly has Anti-Semite material:

pentracks.com/blog/2011/04/hello-world/

"The Nazis were largely funded by Illuminati Jewish multinationals"
"The Rothschild's Royal Dutch Shell, run by Jews,"


Mr. Springmeier has never learned the first rule of holes. Or maybe the goal of his post is to bait less Interwebs savvy anti fascists into visiting his website and being recorded in server logs. He might seriously believe there's a government/zionist conspiracy to "shut down 911 groups in Portland" like some idiot says below.

Public whois on pentracks.com:

Registrant:
Pentracks Publications
700 N Colorado Blvd.
#126
Denver, Colorado 80206
United States

Registered through: GoDaddy.com, LLC ( http://www.godaddy.com)
Domain Name: PENTRACKS.COM
Created on: 26-Dec-01
Expires on: 26-Dec-12
Last Updated on: 17-Apr-11

Administrative Contact:
Springmeier, Fritz  springmp@msn.com
Pentracks Publications
700 N Colorado Blvd.
, 126

US Fax -- 303-320-1616

Technical Contact:
Springmeier, Fritz  springmp@msn.com
Pentracks Publications
700 N Colorado Blvd.
, 126

US Fax -- 303-320-1616

Domain servers in listed order:
NS71.DOMAINCONTROL.COM
NS72.DOMAINCONTROL.COM


Blog also links to Alex Jones and the anti-Semetic propaganda site Rense. BTW, the owner of Rense, Jeff Rense, has Oregon connections:


 http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Jeff_Rense

Biographical information

Rense was born in St. Louis, Missouri and grew up in Southern California. Rense worked as a television news reporter, producer and anchor for Santa Barbara's ABC affiliate, KEYT-TV. He performed the same duties for two TV stations in the Northwest in the early to mid-1980s, chiefly Oregon NBC affiliate KOBI-TV, where he spent several years. He left the business after jobs in Oregon and at a Las Vegas, Nevada television stations. Later, Rense returned to Santa Barbara and opened several "All About Pets" stores, which he sold in the early-1990s. Rense hosts a web site on the music and life of tenor Mario Lanza. In 2007, 3 CDs of rare recordings of Mario Lanza's were released which Rense produced.[5]

Springmeier's bomb 17.Sep.2012 09:54

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Just had another look at the article and it seems that Springmeier's discussion of the propane tank could be a response to a characterization of the device as a "pipe bomb." I do not have any special information on assembly of Springmeier's bomb, but the term "pipe bomb" was indeed used in a KATU News report following Springmeier's conviction.

shillmixer 18.Sep.2012 07:35

Brother

If KATU said it then its the truth.

More information on Springmeier's bomb 18.Sep.2012 15:30

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Find attached the 1997 Oregonian article concerning the Fantasyland bombing and Key Bank robbery. The device deployed in the Fantasyland attack was indeed a pipe bomb. The bomb did not function fully, with the propane canisters mentioned by Springmeier failing to explode, although the shotgun shell part of the bomb detonated. It is hardly to Springmeier's credit that the device did not function entirely as intended--it seems quite possible that the device could have killed or caused grave injury had this occurred.

Springmeier's claim that "the bomb in question was a propane tank in a bag that never exploded" is therefore highly misleading.
1997 Oregonian article
1997 Oregonian article

oh 4 the 19.Sep.2012 11:46

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we love all the corporate media reports & references being used here, to back up propaganda

to the "oh 4 the" dunce 19.Sep.2012 13:56

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You need to be able to evaluate sources and judge which is the most credible. The mainstream media does indeed get things wrong at times, but the only sources being pointed to by Calvert, Springmeier and company in their defense are from explicitly antisemitic propaganda websites (such as Henry Makow, who argues in a piece frequently cited by Fritzemeier supporters that "the 'bomb' was a propane tank").

If you can provide sources that are more credible than those cited by the antifascists, then by all means bring them forward--that certainly does not include clear disinformation from antisemitic authors. Note that the Oregonian article was from just three days after the bombing, years before Springmeier was investigated for his part in the bombing/robbery plot. So, the characterization of the bomb was certainly not an attempt to unfairly portray Springmeier in any way--the author simply didn't know that Springmeier was involved.

@ oh 4 the 19.Sep.2012 16:58

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This aversion to MSM sources rises to a fetish with crypto-fascists trying to "out left" leftists to blend in. It's absurd. MSM has bias and omissions, but rarely makes things up out of the blue, except when falling for a well crafted hoax. Certainly local criminal reports are usually accurate, and quickly corrected. But if MSM sources got you down, try the videos linked here about Calvert and Joe Anybody:

 http://portland.indymedia.org/en/2012/09/417943.shtml?discuss#405524

Readers should be aware the crypto fascist network in Portland(which includes the Portland 9/11 Truth Alliance)is worried by this latest Antifa expose. They aren't even spamming the comment like usual. Many of these people have been operating in progressive/anarchist circles FOR YEARS under the radar. Only recently has their connections to Nazi propagandists come to light or been put into context. A short list:

Russ Hallberg, Petros Evdokas, Joe Anybody, Crystal Elinski, Darris Mishler, Steve Keller, Brian McManus, Glen Owen, Mel Reslor

Without knowing their connections through front groups, most people have dismissed their antics as "crazy", or misguided. Now the community needs to seriously consider a plan of action to neutralize any members of Nazi friendly front groups from infiltrating leftist organizations in Portland. Lives might be at stake( see Tim Titrud and Elinski(elinsky?) try to get personal details after an Antifascist was shot>  http://portland.indymedia.org/en/2010/05/399194.shtml?discuss

The community needs to come up with a no tolerance policy. Make no mistake: members of the "truth alliance" are already planning how they're going to try to take control of this IMC. They will probably field volunteers. They may send someone at the next meeting. Glen Owen of KBOO infamy was rumored to be an indy bee at one point. It sucks because indy needs volunteers and this is how the right exploits the left to try to hijack it.

I wouldn't be surprised if more information/people came forward in the aftermath of Calvert's event. This Antifa expose proves the anti Semite propagandists didn't go away. They're organizing quietly. Antifa needs to do the same.

Some thoughts about the alleged “crypto fascist network” 20.Sep.2012 21:00

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I think that the available documentation strongly supports the characterization of the Portland 9/11 Truth Alliance as an antisemitic organization. The Portland 9/11 Truth Alliance is clearly a group that promotes Holocaust-deniers, white supremacists and various other bigots. However, I'm not sure that discussion of a more general "crypto fascist network" is helpful in getting a grip on what's going on. I'm not convinced that such a broader network, involving the Portland 9/11 Truth Alliance as just one part, actually exists in any strong sense, considered as a consciously organized political entity. This is not to say that the Portland 9/11 Truth Alliance exists in a political vacuum--it does not. Certainly one should address the specific alliances built by the Portland 9/11 Truth Alliance, but I personally think that positing some sort of concrete "crypto fascist network" at work is a bit much, and sounds a bit too conspiratorial as an account. Antisemitic and extreme-Right organizers do work together frequently, but they do not necessarily form a monolithic bloc. They should all be consistently opposed, though.

I'm not convinced that it's a good idea to just throw out names that at one point were associated with the Portland 9/11 Truth Alliance, or people who have some link to people from that organization. Not all of the names given out are particularly relevant to a discussion of the issues at hand. Crystal Elinski, for example, did not show any journalistic ethics or integrity in her coverage of the April 24 2010 Portland anti-racist event referenced by "---". In effect Elinski helped out Tim Titrud in that instance, and it's fair to criticize her for such activity. However, there is simply no evidence I'm aware of that Elinski is an operative for some alleged "crypto fascist network" in Portland. Elinski's failings are not central issues right now.

Likewise, Petros Evdokas should likely be criticized for his promotion of antisemite Kevin Barrett, but Evdokas does not seem to have been involved in any of the Portland 9/11 Truth Alliance events under discussion in the antifascist article. In fact, Evdokas has raised his voice previously against the Portland 9/11 Truth Alliance building links with the Constitution Party and white supremacists, and has even made statements against antisemitism in the past. Is Evdokas in the same impossible position as much of the hard-Left, trying to differentiate between antisemitism that deserves support and antisemitism that deserves condemnation? The argument could be made. Is Evdokas part of a "crypto fascist network", however? That is not the most straightforward explanation, it seems to me. I don't see proof that Evdokas is a current active member of the Portland 9/11 Truth Alliance, although he posts on some email lists.

I feel that going through the other names one by one would be counterproductive. Some of these figures have indeed been deeply involved in the Portland 9/11 Truth Alliance and other antisemitic activism. Brian McManus for example circulates Holocaust-denial propaganda and has admitted that he was part of the Portland 9/11 Truth Alliance contingent at David Irving's 2009 event in Portland (this can be easily verified through searches for comments by McManus under his own name as well as his "Halliburton Crusher" internet handle.) However, not everyone mentioned in the "---" list is part of the Portland 9/11 Truth Alliance's organizational core, actively doing event organizing right now--although several are frequent posters on the 9/11 Truth Alliance email list. It is true that in the political realm one is partially known by the company one keeps, but just throwing out names because of a past or present association does not help in keeping the political issues as sharply-defined as I believe they ought to be. Certainly people who know folk close to the Portland 9/11 Truth Alliance should challenge those folk to break their ties, however.

I agree that there is something of a battle going on regarding Portland alternative media institutions and issues of antisemitism. I also agree that the Portland 9/11 Truth Alliance should be taken seriously as political actors pushing an extremely ugly agenda, and that they should not be accepted within allegedly progressive, Left or radical spaces. I think that the antisemites of the Portland 9/11 Truth Alliance have attempted to exploit such projects as Laughing Horse in the past, and should be shown the door when they try to promote their politics. However, I think that the best way to keep things in focus is to start having real political discussions about what antisemitism is and how to oppose it. Within some spaces, there may be an unspoken belief that everybody who differs from the status quo is somehow part of a worthwhile political alternative--a dangerous assumption to make. Even in the case of groups like the Portland 9/11 Truth Alliance trying to exert influence in an organized manner within allegedly egalitarian and socially-conscious projects, they will not get very far if there is political clarity and a real commitment to opposing antisemitism. Rose City Antifa can be useful in pointing out some of the most extreme antisemitic organizers, as well as arguing for minimal stop-gap responses such as for Tim Calvert to be fired by Citybikes, but unless there is a broader commitment to self-education around issues of racism and antisemitism, then the basic problems will unfortunately persist. As much as I think that the specifics of antisemitic organizing should be addressed--such as the particular events organized by the Portland 9/11 Truth Alliance--I think that the political big picture is the most important thing to keep in mind.

Evdokas/Titrud 21.Sep.2012 09:43

rex

"I don't see proof that Evdokas is a current active member of the Portland 9/11 Truth Alliance, although he posts on some email lists."

"2162
Two Hit, Three Down, By Lynn Margulis Petros Evdokas petros_evdokas
Prof. Lynn Margulis is a member of the U.S. National Academy of Science, and Distinguished University Professor in the Department of Geosciences at the...
Jul 1, 2011 2:22 pm

2161
Re: The 9/11 Commission Campaign - rollout July 4th letter Tim Titrud timtitrud
Mark: I did talk with Mike Gravel a couple of days ago. He will be in Portland next week and the Portland 911 Truth Alliance will meet with him to assist in...
Jul 1, 2011 1:33 pm
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From this blog:  http://pdx911truthalliancedramatica.blogspot.com/2012/03/petros-evdokas.html

Evdokas MANAGES their main private list that was used until Aug this year:  http://groups.yahoo.com/group/pdx911truth/


This list is promoted by James Fetzer. It appears to have been abandoned soon after Evdokas as caught in a scam with Titrud. This was covered at IMC:

 http://portland.indymedia.org/en/2012/01/413648.shtml?discuss

FWIW agree we need to be careful about overstating the situation and some authors could be clearer. However observe none of the clowns are denying it. And "crypto fascist network" does not necessarily imply a "monolithic bloc". That's a strawman. A network can be a loose association of allies...which these are.

Exposing Frauds as Imporant as exposing "Nazi Neighbors" 21.Sep.2012 10:25

rex

I'd add that exposing lying frauds connected to Calvert 9/11 Truth Alliance like Petros Evdokas, who neutralize and identify potential anti-fascists with his fake progressive act, is as important and exposing swastika tattooed "Ubermenschen" gang leaders.
 http://portland.indymedia.org/en/2012/08/417448.shtml

If the comment with references to the scam Evdokas and Titrud were perpetrating on a potential conspiracy alliance member isn't posted yet, see this IMC thread:
 http://portland.indymedia.org/en/2012/01/413648.shtml?discuss#396802

I agree with this generally:
"Rose City Antifa can be useful in pointing out some of the most extreme antisemitic organizers, as well as arguing for minimal stop-gap responses such as for Tim Calvert to be fired by Citybikes, but unless there is a broader commitment to self-education around issues of racism and antisemitism, then the basic problems will unfortunately persist. As much as I think that the specifics of antisemitic organizing should be addressed--such as the particular events organized by the Portland 9/11 Truth Alliance--I think that the political big picture is the most important thing to keep in mind. "

But effectiveness will be serious curtailed if you keep getting duped by "fellow travelers" who hide their association with these groups by this tactic: "raised his voice previously against the Portland 9/11 Truth Alliance building links with the Constitution Party and white supremacists, and has even made statements against antisemitism in the past."

It's simple: he's lying. And apparently if anyone confronts Petros about his association with Tim Titrud, Evdokas will accuse them of being a "Cass Sunstein agent", which is more anti-Semitic conspiracy propaganda.

The Rose City Antifa threatens Portland with vigilante violence 07.Nov.2012 08:23

Joan Darcy

Rose City Antifa are Fascist, Zionist, Cointelpro Brownshirts

The Rose City Antifa are Fascist, Zionist, Cointelpro Brownshirt provocateurs whose method of operation is to harass, smear, harm, and disable the real Leftist activists and Leftist activism in the Portland area.

The Rose City Antifa wear masks to hide their faces, they do not use their real names, and they openly threaten physical violence against those they label and libel as "enemies of the community."

The Rose City Antifa never participate in pro-Palestinian rallies or events, because the Rose City Antifa are closet Zionists. The Rose City Antifa have savagely attacked and harassed the well-known Portland Leftist activist Tim Calvert because Calvert is pro-Palestinian and a proponent of 9/11 Truth.

The Portland 9/11 Truth Alliance includes, and welcomes, members who are gay, lesbian, black, Hispanic, Jewish, Atheist, and whatever. The Portland 9/11 Truth Alliance is anti-war, anti-Imperialist, and predominantly Leftist. The Portland 9/11 Truth Alliance meetings and membership have always been open to anyone who wishes to attend.

Rose City Antifa Threatens Portland with Vigilante Violence

The Rose City Antifa and their allied organization, Anti-Racist Action, both threaten vigilante-style violence, and both the Rose City Antifa and Anti-Racist Action express their contempt for the Rule of Law. Just Google "antifa violence".

"We don't believe in waiting for the police to handle the fascists and racists, either. We know their job is to protect and serve us with harassment, beatings and arrests. We know that institutions like the police and prisons can never be "fixed" or "reformed" if their function is to maintain a racist and homophobic power structure. We believe that we need a dedicated and large force of militant antifascists with great intelligence, analysis, and dedication to crushing emerging extreme Right and fascist movements." - Rose City Antifa website.

"If you can get away it [sic], carry weapons, or if there's a chance you might get searched by cops, carry items that can be used as weapons in a pinch (hefty flagpoles, thick placard sticks, batteries, maglights, bike locks).... And don't forget your masks—nothing makes the fascists tremble like a group of black-clad, balaclava-wearing Antifa bearing down on them." - Anti-Racist Action website.

"On May 19, 2012, up to 20 people wearing masks and black clothes entered the Ashford House Restaurant in Tinley Park (a suburb of Chicago) and used bats and hammers to beat patrons who were attending the fifth annual White Nationalist Economic Summit and Illinois White Nationalist Meet-and-Greet. Five members of Hoosier Anti-Racist Movement, which is part of the Anti-Racist Action Network, were subsequently charged with felony counts of mob action, aggravated battery and criminal damage to property." - Anti-Racist Action Wikipedia page.

"On April 15, 2011, ARA members confronted the National Socialist Movement's annual conference in Pemberton, New Jersey. A melee ensued with reports indicating that four members of the NSM being hospitalized and the conference being shut down." - Anti-Racist Action Wikipedia page.

The Rose City Antifa and their allied organization, Anti-Racist Action, are violent extremists who want to replace the Rule of Law with Mob Rule under the Diktat of the anonymous Antifa and Anti-Racist Action thugs and their anonymous leaders.

Portland Anarchist Caught After Fire Bombing Police Car

Police: Man on Bike Threw Fire Bomb at Police Car
By KATU News and KATU.com Staff Published: Nov 5, 2012 at 7:44 AM PST
PORTLAND, Ore. - Portland Police have a suspect in custody they said threw a molotov cocktail at a police car early Monday morning as he rode past a precinct parking lot on a bicycle. Sergey Yefimobich Turzhanskiy, 24, was arrested just after 1:30 a.m. after police said he threw a fire bomb at an unoccupied police cruiser parked in the North Precinct parking lot in the 400 block of NE Emerson Street. Police said Turzhanskiy is charged with attempted arson, possession of a destructive device, attempt to elude, criminal mischief, disorderly conduct and obstructing governmental administration. Arson investigators with Portland Fire and Rescue are also looking into the incident. Turzhanskiy is due in court on Tuesday, according to police.
 link to www.katu.com

From:  http://anarchistnews.org/
anon - Tue, 2012-11-06 01:02 Tags: Anarchist Practice Portland
Sergey is a friend of ours who was arrested early this morning on suspicion of firebombing a cop car in NE Portland. Their family says Sergey was beat up by the police while in custody and is in the medical unit. They are being held on three felony and three misdemeanor charges, including attempted arson. Please come to Sergey's arraignment tomorrow (Tuesday): 2pm in Courtroom 3 of the Justice Center in downtown Portland. Please donate to Sergey's legal support fund! This money is going toward their $3000+ bail and to pay for a lawyer. The sooner Sergey's family can raise bail, the sooner Sergey will be out.
 https://www.wepay.com/donations/free-sergey

"We don't rely on the cops or courts to do our work for us. This doesn't mean we never go to court, but the cops uphold white supremacy and the status quo. They attack us and everyone who resists oppression. We must rely on ourselves to protect ourselves and stop the fascists. In ARA, we have lots of different groups and individuals. We don't agree about everything and we have a right to differ openly. But in this movement an attack on one is an attack on us all. We stand behind each other." -- Rose City Antifa website  http://rosecityantifa.org/

@Joan Darcy 12.Nov.2012 10:12

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Right from the closet Nazi play book "Joan": when called on your shit, accuse antifascists of being Zionists agents lol.

Never mind Antifa stands for Palestinian solidarity AND fights antisemitism. So you're full of shit here:

"The Rose City Antifa never participate in pro-Palestinian rallies or events, because the Rose City Antifa are closet Zionists."

Ahem...from Rose City Antifa's website:  http://rosecityantifa.weebly.com/1/post/2012/10/islamophobic-ads-reach-trimet.html

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Islamophobic Ads Reach TriMet

10/18/2012

The Islamophobic advertising campaign that has already appeared in New York City and San Francisco has come to Portland. Bus ads reading "In Any War Between the Civilized Man and the Savage, Support the Civilized Man" as well as "Support Israel. Defeat Jihad," will be visible on TriMet vehicles. The ad is financed by the American Freedom Defense Initiative (AFDI) and also promotes the New York-based group Stop Islamization of America (SOIA). The Islamophobic SOIA organization first gained notoriety during the 2010 controversy around the plans for building an Islamic cultural center near Ground Zero in New York City.
Islamophobic Ads Reach TriMet

10/18/2012

The Islamophobic advertising campaign that has already appeared in New York City and San Francisco has come to Portland. Bus ads reading "In Any War Between the Civilized Man and the Savage, Support the Civilized Man" as well as "Support Israel. Defeat Jihad," will be visible on TriMet vehicles. The ad is financed by the American Freedom Defense Initiative (AFDI) and also promotes the New York-based group Stop Islamization of America (SOIA). The Islamophobic SOIA organization first gained notoriety during the 2010 controversy around the plans for building an Islamic cultural center near Ground Zero in New York City.

Pamela Geller, a central agitator for both AFDI and SOIA who is behind the advertisement campaigns, considers the Obama presidency to be a pawn of Muslim conspiracy, and has suggested that the President is actually an illegitimate child of Malcolm X. Geller's writings were praised by and cited in the manifesto of Norwegian mass murderer Anders Behring Breivik. Geller, following Breivik's 2011 attacks, stated that Breivik's victims at the Utøya camp had they survived would have become "future leaders of the party responsible for flooding Norway with Muslims who refuse to assimilate, who commit major violence against Norwegian natives including violent gang rapes, with impunity, and who live on the dole."

Rose City Antifascists condemn the Islamophobic advertising campaign and its brazen attempt at spreading fear and hatred against Muslims in the US. Such a climate has led to an escalation of violence against Muslims and those that are perceived to be Muslim.[read more]
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So much for Antifa being Israeli Zionist agents. Now go back to your brownshirt closet, Darcy. You're not fooling anyone.

GOOD NIGHT
WHITE PRIDE

Petros Evdokas Quit Portland 9/11 Truth Alliance At Least Four Years Ago 02.Dec.2012 16:16

Madame Garibaldi

@ rex:

Petros Evdokas is Sooo 2007. Most current members of the Portland 9/11 Truth Alliance, who have been with the group since 2008, have never met Petros Evdokas and don't know him from Adam, because Petros Evdokas has not attended a Portland 9/11 Truth Alliance meeting or event for the past four years. If Tim Titrude has had more recent personal contact with Petros Evdokas, that's news to the rest of the Portland 9/11 Truth Alliance members. Most people in the Portland 9/11 Truth Alliance have never met Petros Evdokas and they wouldn't recognize him if they saw him, and they also don't know what his views are on anything.

Rex, your placement of Petros Evdokas at the core of the Portland 9/11 Truth Alliance is just one of many indications of the uninformed, misinformed, and speculative quality of your fantasy narrative of the Portland 9/11 Truth Alliance. You don't know, so you just make things up.

The numbers challenged 31.May.2015 09:28

captain obvious

@Madame Garibaldi

Math isn't your strong suit. You can deny the Truther Alliance's association with Petros all day long, but he was managing the private list, APPROVING COMMENTS, until 2011.

2011. Did you get that date again? 2011..... NOT 2007.

As of 2015 current members include Richard Frager and Tim Titrud...both of whom know the Petros scammer. Petro's friend Glenn Goldman took over Titrud's AEtruther branch. Leaving aside the quotes from the email list you're ignoring...FROM 2011...they're all networked together at Facebook.

Either MadameG is yet another victim of their lies or MadameG is a shill for the Truther group doing damage control. Maybe if the truther group didn't lie so much about who they were they wouldn't have to spend so much time spinning and attacking critics.

discussion

This shit again 09.Sep.2012 11:28

@

Rose City Anitfa does good work sometimes, but y'all really need to reign it all in sometimes too. When you're up against co-ops and Citybikes (Citybikes for christsake! You looked like such fools back in 2009 I would think you'd never want it brought up again) you should realize that your taking things a little too far. You let fundamentalism do your thinking for you. It's cool when cops are turned away from Red and Black, but when feminist gatherings are nearly shut down because of their representation of sexual orientation and City bikes is attacked for supporting free speech (or at least not firing people over vague and distant allegations), well then you lose credibility. Some of you are so ridiculous with the things you do I can only think you are truly insane or government implants or something trying to discredit radical movements by firing things up in wrong directions. But as for the rest of you, keep up the good work and please keep track of the crazies in your ranks too.

Support for Antifascists 09.Sep.2012 13:49

Antifa Rocks!

I don't want anything to do with a "radical" movement that supports someone bringing antisemites, holocaust deniers and people who bomb adult stores to speak as if they have a legitimate platform.

Kudos to Rose City Antifa for keeping on this guy. I hope City Bikes follows Morgan Distributing's example on this and fires the guy. Who would have thought that a mainstream corporate business would come down on the right side, but a co-op thinks it's okay for people representing a supposedly more progressive model of business to organize racist events???

i'm sure you've heard this before 09.Sep.2012 22:01

obvious stater

but you can't fight fascism with fascism.

@obvious stater 10.Sep.2012 11:59

huh?

"but you can't fight fascism with fascism. "

Where exactly is Antifa being "fascist"?

. 10.Sep.2012 14:07

.

"but you can't fight fascism with fascism."

You can fight fascism with radical action. And Antifa is doing that.

Keep Portland off its meds 10.Sep.2012 22:18

@

Look, this is a small town and an even smaller family of activists and we all know eachother, so lets keep it cool, okay? Calvert is a harmless conspiracy nut and of course there's all sorts of wackos in that crowd, racists and all. But Calvert is no racist, he just likes the conspiracy shit. You can't drag his work place into it over that over and over again. They did deal with it at the time ad nauseam when there was nothing solid to deal with, not with Calvert himself. This thing waved over his head was like three years ago and he was just loosely associated with questionable people through issues completely separate from the questionable issues. Have some sympathy. Conspiracy theories don't go away because there's often some truth in them, just like Antifa often hits the right people but also sometimes goes around like a bully. So here's this, Antifa... Fascism isn't inherently racist. Fascism is about radical authoritarianism. So you think about that and your little man Robespierre-esque tactics when you go around condemning whole chunks of our community when one person in that chunk may have associated with another person who may have a screw loose or two. We've all interacted with people with a little something wrong with them. So where does the witch hunt end? Where does your authority to do that come from? It all seems too hypocritical to me. I mean, yeah, fuck the racists, but fuck your self indulgent power too.

at @ 11.Sep.2012 09:03

*le sigh*

What is this self-indulgent power you speak of? The power to do a lot of research and publish comprehensive articles? Tim Calvert booked these events. He is the primary person bringing these people to town. You don't see a problem with him bring an anti-choice, antisemitic bomber with neo-Nazi affiliations to speak? It seems to me that you don't really bother to read the material provided. His workplace did *NOT* deal with it. They, like you, pretended that there was a fuzzy connection between Calvert and hardcore racists despite the massive amounts of documentation that RCA provided. Name-calling antifas because y'all are too cowardly to take a difficult stance is the best you can muster as far as a counter argument. I don't know what you are referring to when you talk about a small community of radicals. Tim Calvert may be a radical, but he is not a left radical. I don't see any merit politically or personally in having solidarity with any old person that has some type of stance against the "system" or whatever. I guess that means you count the patriot movement, the Tea Party and the white nationalist crowd amongst your radical buddies. Well, just as long as they like bikes and dress like hippies right?

@@ 11.Sep.2012 12:17

omg it's sad

"and he was just loosely associated with questionable people through issues completely separate from the questionable issues. "

LMAO. Tim Calvert has been a MEMBER of the 9/11 truth alliance FOR YEARS. He ORGANIZED this event. Did you read the article?

@joe anybody (also a member of the 9/11 truth alliance FOR YEARS)

So you didn't notice your group was hosting a right wing radical racist bomber when you attended the previous event AND RECORDED IT? Did you express any concerns, LIKE A REAL ANARCHIST WOULD?

If you're not a crypto fascist, then you're a DUMBASS.

@joe anybody 11.Sep.2012 12:25

explain

How do you prefer to be described?

You're a member of the 9/11 truth alliance. It's easy to find online.

You attend and record their events.

You don't criticize them when they spread Anti-Semite propaganda.

You don't explain how Antifa might be wrong or offer another plausible narrative(there isn't one, but if you really aren't a closet Nazi, you'd have an explanation why you personally hang with closet Nazis. brainwashing?)

Since no one can read your mind, we have to go with the evidence. You support a crypt-fascist group. Ergo you are one.

We have long passed the point where you can pretend you don't know the 9/11 Truth Alliance is an anti-Semite front.

YOU KNOW. YOU SUPPORT THEM. EXPLAIN.

Whatever 11.Sep.2012 14:27

@

Calvert's not a racist. That's all I have to say. Maybe he has talked to racists. Well, we've all done that. Maybe he has interests that racist people share. Sure racist people can ride bikes, dress like hippies, but that doesn't mean all bike riding hippies are racist. Not all 9/11 truthers are racist. City bikes did more than what could have been expected of them, and even more importantly they were reasonable about everything. If what work your doing is so important, well then John, you should be a little more open to criticism about it.

wow 11.Sep.2012 14:27

roger the shubber

at @, You probably went to the event and nerd out on hating Jews and Antifascist, shame. at RCA, Thanks for the info I'm sure the people who actually sat down and read it understood how much of a fucker this people is. I'm never going to Citybikes ever again! I don't want trash like that in my liberal bike friendly portland community at all!

To "@" again 11.Sep.2012 20:19

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The issue is not primarily about how much Calvert subjectively believes in various other forms of racism, the issue is more that Calvert puts forward extreme antisemitic politics and for years has done political organizing on behalf of Holocaust-deniers, white supremacists and anti-choice extremists. That is more than enough basis for Calvert to be criticized.

You are being totally dishonest when you portray the issue as being that Calvert "talked to racists." The issue is that Calvert has a long history of organizing events and spreading propaganda for such white supremacists. This is well documented. You are not actually engaging with facts, which is why people are getting annoyed with you. It's not that Rose City Antifa are above criticism, the problem is that your criticisms of the antifascists are based on misrepresentations and not looking at the available evidence. It's intellectually lazy to just make stuff up to support your argument, instead of referring to the facts of the situation and the arguments the antifascists themselves are making.

"City bikes did more than what could have been expected of them"
You've got to be joking me. Citybikes have now stood by Calvert for years. What should be expected of them is to actually take the issue of their President's antisemitic and oppressive organizing seriously, and to make a meaningful start on a process of amends. The only way that Citybikes did more than could have been expected of them, was in their initial zeal to praise Calvert and attack anti-racists when the issue first surfaced. (Albeit some of that zealotry was expressed in an undemocratically-approved first statement, which was later replaced with something fuzzier.)

looking forward to joe's education 12.Sep.2012 20:59

nom

and his public repudiation of the portland 911 truth alliance, with a public apology for helping them spread their agenda.

we can dream....

I'm out 13.Sep.2012 01:29

@

I'll say it again that Antifa does good work sometimes. But what if we all did better work? What if we were all better and tried to make ourselves better instead of trying to make other people better? I'm also annoyed at all the truthers having there birthday bash here but go for it guys because there's a place here for you too. But as this thread goes on and now Joe Anybody, a solid mainstay of this site, is being shot down along with Citybikes, I got to say now RCA is a terminator. At least the truthers know to undermine the man. But RCA wants to be the man. RCA wields authority like any other cop. This is how they get you like propaganda. Would you argue against an organization that fights fascism? Of course not. They fight racism and we all agree, fuck the racists even if RCA doesn't know what "fascism" really means. They can do no wrong. They're mission is our security and freedom from bad guys. Anyone who doesn't agree with them better get out of the way. If citybikes doesn't fire someone they pick on or Joe anybody videos someone else well we're all the axis of evil for not goose stepping on board the new fascism of RCA. Think for yourselves. If something doesn't feel right then find out for yourselves. RCA doesn't feel right to me right now. This Calvert thing is McCarthyism witch hunt and I have a hard time supporting authoritarianism no matter where it comes from. Tomorrow I'm going to go eat at the Red and Black (ask me if I'm me when I'm there and we'll talk)and think about what I'll bring my bike over to Citybikes for to give them some business too. I'm done with this thread but I'm not leaving the community or you who ever you are reading this. Solidarity with all of you beautiful people. It's real late and I'm really tired so I'll wish you all a good night with all the love in my heart for everyone.

at @ 13.Sep.2012 09:19

contradictions

"But as this thread goes on and now Joe Anybody, a solid mainstay of this site, is being shot down along with Citybikes, I got to say now RCA is a terminator."

"They(RCA) can do no wrong."

shouldn't this sentiment be more accurately applied to citybikes? or "joe anybody" for that matter? @ doesn't seem to care about the documented facts. @ seriously expects rca and supporters to ignore someone pushing anti-semite propaganda because they are a "a solid mainstay of this site". though in fairness, aforesaid "mainstay" has agreed to consider educating himself about anti-semitism. but it's hard to believe "a solid mainstay" didn't already know. now @ is labeling anyone asking the "solid mainstay" questions about their ACTIONS as "authoritarian". then @ ends with "This Calvert thing is McCarthyism witch hunt and I have a hard time supporting authoritarianism no matter where it comes from."

no, this calvert thing is a documented proof of a crypto nazi operating in the midst of the progressive community. about the only thing sentiment @ is right about is rca not being above critisim. but @ is completely blinded and/or brainwashed by the closet nazi propaganda to see that neither joe anybody nor citybikes is above criticism either.

criticism has been fair and fact based. this is not a witchhunt.

@, try some of your advice: "Think for yourselves."

To “@” yet again 13.Sep.2012 18:37

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Joe Anybody's recording and circulating of the Calvert speech, as well as the Springmeier speech and "false flag" panel of the same day, were probably mentioned because: (1) Joe Anybody by all accounts did these things and takes credit for them, and (2) such facts were relevant to the Antifascist report. Yes, mentioning these things makes people who don't want to talk about antisemitic organizing uncomfortable, but it is the role of anti-racists to bring up even uncomfortable topics.

Your stance that "At least the truthers know to undermine the man" is highly objectionable. The Portland 9/11 Truth Alliance has an extensive history of promoting white supremacists, Holocaust-deniers and others on the the extreme-Right. Again, you need to actually look at the facts of the matter, because this is all well-documented. When you state that people engaged in ideological antisemitic organizing are actually undermining "the man", you are being worse than a fence-walker: you are writing approvingly about organized bigotry.

at @ and the other folks that support Calvert because he's "a nice guy" 14.Sep.2012 10:18

*le sigh* X a billion

It is pretty much futile to argue with someone that absolutely refuses to apply reason but I will do so anyways because I think that there are many people that similarly support Calvert because he does not fit the regular motif of what they think a racist should look like. The chief defense of Calvert is this "He's a nice guy." No matter how many racists, anti-choice, homophobic people he organizes with, there continues to be a body of people that continue to deny this reality as long as RCA is unable to extract the racist thoughts from his head to produce as evidence and as long as he does not publicly admit that he is an antisemite. I would like to say specifically to @ that I find it really disingenuous and unprincipled that you end your last post on a peace & love note to make it appear that you are being high-handed and fair, when in fact your entire approach has been the lowest possible ethical road. You launch a series of ad hominem attacks on antifa (even going so far as to make presumptions that they are not doing enough personal work among other deflective character assassinations) and repeatedly dodge the actual objective facts of the situation. The fact that you characterize antifa as fascists is both absurd and demonstrates your total lack of understanding of what fascism actually is. Fascism is a political ideology with very specific features. It is not merely a name to call any person or organization that hurts your feelings, make you have to think about uncomfortable things, or acts in a way that doesn't fit with your passive-aggressive culture of "niceness". Also tactically, fascists were not particularly well known for their research articles on their political opponents. Your feeling of having your mellow harshed does not in any way compare to the onslaught that the victims of fascism suffered (please inform yourself on the opening gambit on the Brown Shirts for example, where it was way less research-y and way more murder-y). Fascists favor romantic ideation over critical thought. Fascists promulgate ahistorical narratives about mythical pasts that support their idea of nationhood (often race based).

While I do not believe you are a fascist in any way, your reliance on pure emotional information to make assessments makes you obviously vulnerable to being easily swayed by people that are in fact drifting into fascist camps. You feel that a romantisized loyalty to an imagined community, one that seems to be mostly based on superficial lifestyle choices, is the more crucial thing, rather than understanding that a commitment to anti-oppressive principles is a baseline for shared solidarity. Your assertions (actually just name-calling and mud-slinging) about the supposed authority of antifa doesn't actually deserve a response, but again I think there are people like you that have the similar gut-feeling and knee-jerk reaction to antifa outing their friend. Antifa does not have any state power (duh). Antifa is not upheld by a system of white supremacy ala the police force (duh). So far antifa wrote a lot on the subject. I have not heard of anyone being written to death by the police force. It seems like you have no idea about structural oppression at all. Eating at the Red & Black does not an anarchist make. Antifa opposes racists, fascists, etc. Antifa is not to blame when that happens to be a person that the co-op community feels some affection for (BTW- Is Calvert the most charming man in the world? I srsly can't figure out the problem with ejecting him. I have seen the vids and was not particularly charmed...). Also, 911 Truth does not attack "the man" ( unless you think Matthew Shepard was "the man" and deserved to be murdered for being queer, or you also buy into "the man" being shorthand for "the Jews").

Antifa basically laid out the facts and asked the co-op community to make a principled decision to eject someone that organizes with Army of God affiliates and other recognized hate groups. Citybikes mostly whined a lot and then got liberalled to death by an endless series of circular talks. They were pissed at antifa for making them uncomfortable and encroaching on their comfort zone. I do not feel sorry for them. Their terror of confrontation and conflict lead them to side with a racist. This article demonstrates that their strategy for "dealing with it" did not in any way work. Sure Calvert laid low for about a minute immediately afterward, but once he realized he was untouchable and that actually white-as-snow Portland (esp the co-op scene and bike hipsters) could give a shit less about his racism, he went right back to bringing the clinic-bombing, Jew-hating, Hitler-lovers to town.

Anyway here's the nut of it that y'all fail to grasp: Fascism =/= meanness, anti-fascism =/= niceness. This is not about making general assessments of people's character. This is not about feelings. This is about ideas and assessments of people's behavior in the world. Racists/facsists/homophobes/misogynists/etc may not walk around kicking puppies and doing evil deeds all day. They may be sweet and like gardens and bikes and rainbows and unicorns. Anti-fascist may not be the cuddliest creatures around all the time. The may may make dry, straight-forward statements that upset people. Anti-fascists do not have a responsibility to stroke the egos and hand-hold the co-op scene, particularly when they have been so shitty. The folks at Citybikes are adults making choices. People and collectives should be held accountable and critiqued for their decisions.

@: Note: Organizing around September 11 is under attack 14.Sep.2012 11:21

Agency Watcher

This is an attack on 911 and The Truth, disguised as being about anti-antisemitism. Plain and simple.

Many agencies and government agents do not want people meeting and talking about what happened on September 11th. What is being masqueraded here, as stopping hate speech, is in reality a ploy to nix the nine eleven groups (and 9-11 discussion)in Portland. Follow the trail and how this attack is organized, this diatribe is trumped with no tangible merit when it stands alone. It reeks with nothing more than a covert operation to shut down 911 discussion in Portland.

Shalom from the Agency 14.Sep.2012 13:55

ZOG

Curses Agency Watcher! You have foiled our clever plan to send Tim Calvert, our ace Mossad agent, to infiltrate your movement and discredit it through continually associating your group with right-wing extremists. The Elders will be greatly displeased. I would not want to be the poor soul that wakes them from their cryogenic chambers with this news. You iron-clad case and thorough presentation of facts in unassailable! Though it is clear from your use of fractured idioms and grammatically bizarre phrases such as "this diatribe is trumped with no tangible merit when it stands alone" that you are using some type of code so complex that you could only be a Tavastock graduate. I assure you our team of reptilians and slave gentiles are on the case. We will crack the code and discover your identity yet! Until we meet again Agency Watcher!

@ZOG 14.Sep.2012 14:30

awesome

Awesome comment is awesome.

Since the crypt o-facist, racist hugging clowns want to play victim and start spinning conspiracies(surprise, surprise), let's see what Google says about "911 discussion Portland".

From the first result page this website seems relevant:

 http://pdx911truthalliancedramatica.blogspot.com/2012/03/david-ray-griffin.html


"David Ray Griffin
Status: GUEST SPEAKER

Networks: American Free Press, Barnes Review

Doddering theologian too senile to recognize which publications and radio stations are run by white supremacists and which aren't. "

From the main page:  http://pdx911truthalliancedramatica.blogspot.com/

"Like most cultlike organizations, the group doesn't come out and say what it's up to to newbies, because it's hard to get new helping hands saying "we're a collection of right-wing wolves in Democratic clothing here to push a Nazi friendly agenda". The first scam is presenting themselves as a left leaning, pro-progressive group in the first place:"

Sounds exactly like Tim Calvert's strategy to stay relevant in the anarchist community. It looks like we're not just dealing with closet anti-Semites , but a kind of right wing cult front group.

Hey Agency Watcher! You're brainwashed! Get help!

No one wants to "shut down" any honest discussion of the political implications of the 9/11 attacks.

But people WILL work to expose and shut down any group using "911 discussion" as a cover to spread anti-Antisemitism and to organize racists.

It's simple. Stop spreading Anti-Semitic propaganda. Stop organizing racists.

Wonder if Joe read the anti semitism link yet 15.Sep.2012 11:50

nom

We haven't heard back from Mr. "Anybody" in three days. Maybe he's a slow reader....

Tim Calvert with English right-wing loon Ferne "Ms V" Abbott 19.Sep.2012 11:11

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In 2008 Tim Calvert with English right-wing loon Ferne "Ms V" Abbott, promoted at the alliance old website:

"Tim Calvert, Laughing Horse Books founder, in regalia for John McCain protest at Airport Sheraton Mon May 12th and with 911 Was An Act Of Treason Banner at OBAMA MeloDRAMA at Waterfront Sun May 18th"

 http://video.google.com/videoplay?docid=418566403024827689
[calvert @ 5:24]



Also Joe Anybody filming "Believers Against the War" and Portland Truth Alliance in 2007

 http://video.google.com/videoplay?docid=2362948503844328717

promoted on old website:

"Freeway Blogging at I-205 and Sunnyside Rd - Clackamas Town Center every Saturday 1-2 pm reflects diversity of Portlanders DEMANDING THE TRUTH ABOUT 9/11 from Military Families Speak Out to Believers Against The War to a spectrum of Libertarians to the greenest of Greens"


These people have been organizing for a long time.

@ @ oh 4 the 19.Sep.2012 23:51

cambodia-guy

Anyone remember COINTELPRO? No, I don't mean the 9/11 truthers. I mean you.

@cambodia-guy 20.Sep.2012 08:12

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COINTELPRO? Of course it's a conspiracy. Cultlike groups caught with their pants down try to find a scapegoat: former members or claims they are targets of a government conspiracy. Screaming "COINTELPRO" at critics is a favorite of the Cassiopeia Cult.

Hmmmm.....

Joes Reply 20.Sep.2012 20:25

Joe Anybody iam@joeanybody.com

I read most of the article from the suggested link... only a couple pages left
Have you read it as well?
There is lots of stuff and advise in the article that 'you could use' to help people understand what anti-Semitism is about, the article in itself admits it is tricky and confusing, your approach was not like how the link suggests to address this issue with those on the radical left

What do you want me to say?
I already have said "I'm not a crypto-Nazi or a racist"
I still say it.
If you want me to stand on a soap box and call people out in public, Im not going to do that

I have filmed many issues and topics
I have filmed folks who I don't always agree with their agenda, yet I'm covering the issue and the information.
I have filmed the police, preachers, and T-party events and numerous folks, who I can't say I agree w/ everything they are saying or their groups' organization.
Do I support them? No!
Am I "one of them?" - No!

As you know I have not filmed the obvious and outright "anti-Semitic speakers, that ANTIFA was / is protesting"... I made a choice not to have anything to do with those invited speakers
I have said I support what Antifa is doing, yet I have had no dialog w/ Antifa personally nor been contacted by them on this topic
I am willing to listen and discuss these issues, I openly admit I am learning as I go
I'm willing to sit down and discuss over a beer or a cup of coffee some of these issues and concerns
I have been around for years and am I available to talk with anyone about topics that need addressing in which I am inter-related to due to 'filming'
I am pretty busy and "trying to cover" many issues in this PDX area, and to help tip the scale in favor of peace and justice, but I'm not too busy to stop and have a meaningful conversation, in person with folks that want peace and justice and accountability and are willing to be respectful about it.

In the conflict resolution book I'm reading it recommends "people listening to the others position"
I'm willing to listen, are you?
Anti-Semitism is complicated to wrap your head around. Especially with all the ways it can be rear its own ugly head and is masqueraded in many subtle ways.
The article makes a lot of effort in trying to "enlighten and educate" ... which I can appreciate, this topic is a deep subject and is compounded by many factors as the article articulates numerous times.
I really don't want to type out every thought I have
I am suggesting we sit down and talk about this.

I'm not organizing to have fascists or Anti-Semitism come speak in Portland or to "spread their messages" of hating Jews or denying the holocaust. Heck I just filmed a tour at the Portland Holocaust Memorial last month.

All I know about for example with "Fritz" is what you have been saying here, other than that I thought he was speaking about 911 & symbolism, that's what I got from it. I haven't done a deep research on all who he talks to or what websites he comments on etc... frankly I don't have the time to research everyone that I am recording or having conversations with. With Tim I didn't catch anything in his lecture that I could see as being "out of line or wrong" ... his opinions are his ... not mine, I see from you and other analyzing his lecture there maybe disagreeable or concerning issues, which I'm willing to discuss or have more dialog about.

I am concerned about (real) 911 Truth and I do want to cover the people who are speaking truth to power, and whom are discussing what really happened on that day in 2001. Due to that day many people are now suffering, many were killed or tortured as civil rights and human rights are ditched. Nations are being slaughtered due to what happened on the day. I care about all those that are impacted by the 911 attack, especially those in Iraq & Afganistan who are now at the recieving end of the USA military and its weapons. I want the truth to be exposed, thus my interest and involvement w/ filming around those topics

To be perfectly clear here, I am not interested in promoting any anti-Semitic agenda ...period!! ever!!

Many times journalist cover stories and issues that "they themselves do not support"
Some of the folks that I film I have no clue as to who they talk to or what books they read etc
So it's hard to "know everything" about everyone before I video a speech or a workshop
I would prefer that if after all these years if someone has an issue with me they respectfully talk to me about it, my email is on just about every post on indymedia and I am at many, many events all around town, all one has to do is tap me on the shoulder and say "Can we talk?"

I feel you have made very little effort to speak respectfully w/ me ...in fact you have used indymedia to lie about me, when in actually I think if we had a discussion you would see I'm not a crypto-fascist Nazi

The point I want to make is "Lets talk" ...If you are truly concerned, suggest a place here in a comment/post... . or email me the time n place. I will at least try to have a conversation with you where we can exchange our thoughts and misconceptions or come to a better understanding.

I am working hard to "cover the real news" ... I'm not a crypto - Nazi ... I don't like that the 911 Truth Alliance is supporting right wing "anti-Semitism" and I am not part-taking in that aspect. In fact I have done my own to support those that are standing publicly against speaker like the one Antifa has demonstrated against. I don't need to go on-line and talk about security culture issues, it can be discussed off line.

Do I want them bringing in speakers to the PDX area that are anti-Semitic? ..NO!

(but) Am I going to "follow YOUR orders" and bark when you say to? ...NO!

Am I willing to open my mind and listen to what these issues are about ...YES!

So if you want more of my opinion, why don't you meet me 1/2 way and lets discuss this in person?

Beings you're the first person that I have ran across who has even referred this topic to me personally as "me being involved enough" to bring it to my attention & call me names. Sure I have heard about this on-going Citybikes discussion, but nobody has yet to make even a slight conversation with me regarding "me filming some of their discussions" ... so for after 5 years of me placing my contact info all over on my reports and videos ... no one has contacted me regarding this particular issue (that I recall) - Not saying that doesn't mean we can't talk now, but the name calling and slander is uncalled for.

Thanks, I'm sincerely looking forward to a decent reply and your thoughts on meeting to discuss more of this if you feel its necessary? Maybe there is others that would like to join the conversation if in fact it does happen to take place?

il vaut mieux hasarder de sauver un coupable que de condamner un innocent 21.Sep.2012 00:37

hlc

you've bolstered my respect for you here, joe anybody. you may be the sanest, most credible person who has contributed to this thread. dragging you in has, in contrast to your measured responses, made your accusers look ridiculous. fundamentalism or zero tolerance doctrines are never healthy stances for any person or organization to take (let alone act upon within the populace), and neither are attempts to silence people; let us all talk ourselves out and we'll see what we are. thank you, joe, for your stance of resisting dangerous fascistic character, from both left and right.

He wants to meet Antifa members....why? 21.Sep.2012 09:59

rex

"Thanks, I'm sincerely looking forward to a decent reply and your thoughts on meeting to discuss more of this if you feel its necessary?"

Isn't this what your friend Tim Titrud tried to do?  http://portland.indymedia.org/en/2010/05/399287.shtml

No where in you screed do you apologize for working with the group or promoting their racist speakers. Nor have you repudiated your membership in the 911 Truth Alliance. You act as if you want to keep all your options open. It's very likely if anyone does take your offer up you will share that meeting with your 911 Truth Alliance buddies.

I personally have doubts about your intentions and discourage Antifa members from considering it.

There's no reason to "meet" anyone. The only thing you need to do if you're really committed to this:
"I'm not organizing to have fascists or Anti-Semitism come speak in Portland or to "spread their messages" of hating Jews or denying the holocaust."

is say you're sorry you promoted this group and their propaganda and will have nothing to do with them anymore.


It's that simple.

@hlc 21.Sep.2012 11:41

?

Does hlc = halliburton crusher?

Anarchist Punks Vandalize Portland Bank, Are Applauded by Other Anarchists 07.Nov.2012 09:17

Carolyne Goldblum

Fritz Springmeier was accused of planting a bomb (which didn't explode) outside a bank.

A year ago, some Anarchist punks attacked a bank on NE Alberta Street in Portland (in November 2011), an action that the Anarchist punks bragged about and were praised by their Anarchist fellow-travelers in Comments on Portland Indymedia. See below:

 http://portland.indymedia.org/en/2011/11/412283.shtml

Portland Anarchists Occupy Umpqua Bank With Rocks
author: REPOST

At 4:30 a.m. on November 14th, a group of anarchists broke out the windows of the Umpqua Bank at NE 18th and Alberta. Umpqua Bank tries to sell itself as "green" and a "community" bank, and we wanted to shatter that illusion.

Umpqua Bank has been known for financing timber giants all over Oregon that are responsible for the destruction of our precious temperate rainforests, and with them the possibility of a livable future.

Alberta Street has been incredibly gentrified in recent years, and Umpqua Bank is a big part of that. Forcing People of Color out of one of the few neighborhoods they were historically allowed to live in is racism, plain and simple.

We don't care that Umpqua Bank is small or local - we don't want a smaller, more local capitalism, we want a total destruction of the system that keeps us miserable.

We smashed out the windows in solidarity with everyone on the receiving end of the daily violence of the Portland Police, and with comrades who have been fucked over by the liberals/wannabe cops at Occupy Portland. You too can act on your desires!

Love and solidarity,
Some angry proles

Repost From:
 http://pugetsoundanarchists.org/node/1090

Some corporate media reports and videos:
link to www.kgw.com

 http://www.kptv.com/story/16033228/windows-smashed-at-portland-bank

Fritz Springmeier Was Set Up (Probably by the Feds) 07.Nov.2012 18:15

Nelson Mandala

by Henry Makow Ph.D.
(Jan 1, 2011)

In 2003, Illuminati researcher Fritz Springmeier was sentenced to 111 months in prison on the basis of no evidence. His experience suggests that at any time the Illuminati can put away anyone who irritates them.

Springmeier was convicted because a bank robber, Forrest E. Bateman Jr. testified that Springmeier visited his house on the same day as Bateman discussed the robbery with two accomplices.

Bateman received a reduced sentence for this testimony. He did not say he had discussed the robbery with Springmeier.

Bateman was turned in by his friend and accomplice Tony Huntington. Huntington also implicated Springmeier and received no sentence for the bank robbery. Over 120 years of prison time for drugs and guns were also forgiven. Pretty good incentive to lie?

At Springmeier's trial and appeal, James A. Redden, the sentencing judge, kept repeating -- "circumstantial evidence can be used to prove anything."

Indeed, Springmeier's case is in the law books as an example of the low standard of evidence needed to convict someone. Ann J Brown, the first Federal Judge to hear the case, had said, "There is no evidence against this man."

Springmeier received an extra five years because a firearm was used in the robbery.

Forrest Bateman fired a rifle into the ceiling to get everyone's attention when he and two accomplices robbed $6000 from the Key Bank in the Portland suburb of Damascus Oct 6, 1997.

Ten minutes prior to the robbery, a "bomb" exploded at the Fantasy Adult Video Store, located six miles west of the bank. No one was injured in the explosion but police investigators believe that the bomb was set off as a diversionary tactic.

The "bomb" was a propane tank. Springmeier was nowhere near either event and had no prior knowledge of either. At the time he was working at a print shop in Eagle Creek, 10 miles SE. However the proprietor refused to provide an alibi because Fritz had offended him by criticizing Billy Graham.

The point is that Fritz served seven years in prison for a crime he did not commit. He was sold out by his lawyer, Pat Birmingham, who, when given a copy of "Bloodlines of the Illuminati" exclaimed, "Am I in this?"

There was no evidence connecting Fritz to this crime. Yes, he knew Bateman (from a Bible Studies class, of all things) but there was no evidence he knew about the crime. Bateman and his accomplices got reduced sentences for implicating Springmeier.

These days, if you're an Illuminati researcher in the US, you are guilty until proven innocent.

Last October, Fritz was released to a halfway house in Portland.

In order to regain his freedom, he needs to find approved employment and accommodation.

Until then, this gifted opponent of the New World Order is in a guilded cage, unable to leave the premises except on job expeditions. He needs to find a job within a 100 miles radius of Portland. If you can help, write to him at  springmeiermessages@hotmail.com

 hmakow@gmail.com

Link
 http://www.henrymakow.com/springmeier.html

The Real Threat to the Safety of Portlanders is the Rose City Antifa. 10.Nov.2012 23:20

CarlosTheWise

So in 1997 Fritz Springmeier was accused of setting a propane bomb (which failed to explode) outside a porno parlor that was six miles away from a bank robbery. Ann J Brown, the judge who first heard Springmeier's case, said "There is no evidence against this man."

During the past year alone, the Rose City Antifa's self-righteous rioters have attacked at least eight banks in Portland -- and the self-righteous Anarchists take credit for, and brag about, their attacks on the banks!

What's the Rose City Antifa's gripe with Fritz Springmeier? Do they hate Springmeier because he tried to bomb a porno parlor instead of a bank?

The Rose City Antifa say Tim Calvert is a threat to Portland because Calvert hosted a couple of lectures. But the Rose City Antifa has a long history of vandalism, rioting, violence, and threats of violence against law-abiding citizens. It looks like the real threat to the peace, liberty, and safety of Portlanders is the Rose City Antifa.

When Dramatica and Rose City Antifa Don't Know, They Just Make Shit Up. 11.Nov.2012 19:20

The Happy Wonderer

The sophomoric and malicious Rose City Antifa-affiliated website 9/11 Truth Alliance Dramatica slings potty-mouthed gender slurs at everyone it disagrees with. Dramatica's diatribes might be vaguely funny in a vulgar sort of way, like a campy show at Darcelle's, if Dramatica weren't so completely off-target and malicious.

Apparently the Dramatica author (or authors) get all their information about the members of the Portland 9/11 Truth Alliance off of the Internet, and to fill in the tremendous Black Holes of their ignorance, the Dramatica author (or authors) indulge in their malicious fantasies and simply make shit up.

Both the Rose City Antifa and the Dramatica author (or authors) label the members of the Portland 9/11 Truth Alliance as homophobic and antisemitic.
Since the Dramatica website accepts no comments, perhaps one of their friends who reads this might explain to the Dramatica author (or authors)
that one of the active members of the Portland 9/11 Truth Alliance that Dramatica reviles as antisemitic is very much and quite proudly Jewish. A second, ex-member, of the 9/11 Truth Alliance that Dramatica reviles as antisemitic is also very much and quite proudly Jewish. A third, active member of the Portland 9/11 Truth Alliance that Dramatica reviles as homophobic is very gay, and a fourth is a lesbian.

Considering that the active membership in the Portland 9/11 Truth Alliance is less than ten people, the percentage of Jews, gays, and lesbians in the 9/11 Truth Alliance matches or exceeds the general population. If the Dramatica author (or authors) wanted to be more accurate (although we doubt that accuracy is one of Dramatica's goals), Dramatica could claim that the
9/11 Truth Alliance includes members who are self-hating Jews and homosexuals. But since I know those 9/11 Truth Alliance members personally, I must say that I don't think that any of them hate themselves, their heritage, or their lifestyle.

Although I must admit that I do hate my own heritage quite a bit -- but I was raised in a family of Roman Catholics, which may not be relevant to this discussion.

The Dramatica website has posted photos of the Jewish and gay Portland 9/11 Truth Alliance members, but the Dramatica author (or authors) is unaware of the religion, ethnicity, or gender identification of those individuals. I suppose that the Dramatica author (or authors) could excuse themselves by saying that those 9/11 Truth Alliance members just don't look Jewish or gay.

If the Dramatica author (or authors) or the Antifa membership had wanted to know the truth about the religious affiliation, ethnicity, or gender identification of the individual Portland 9/11 Truth Alliance members, all they had to do is attend one of the weekly open meetings of the Portland 9/11 Truth Alliance. We would have been happy to tell them the truth, because we are, after all, Truthers. But the Dramatica author (or authors) and the Antifa members never came to any of our meetings, and they never asked us those questions; which is why the Dramatica author (or authors) and the Antifa members don't know, and they just make shit up -- which suits their personal style.

@ Happy Wonderer....Huh? 12.Nov.2012 10:25

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What are you talking about? Dramatica? You mean this website?  https://encyclopediadramatica.se/Main_Page

They have a 911 conspiracy section, but nothing on the Portland branch so far:  https://encyclopediadramatica.se/9/11_Truther

Though this does pretty much sum up the Portland conspiracy clowns attitude:

"Truthers are sanctimonious pricks who believe in absurd conspiracy theories blaming the US Government for 9/11 butthurt, when it is obvious that Jews were responsible for the attacks. While the truthers usually then counter that Jews control the government as well and therefore the government was responsible, this ignores the fact that in the end, it's still really the Jews that are the most proximate cause. The 9/11 truth movement are the hacks that realized that you could fleece gullible fools by ripping off an Youtube-favicon.png Immortal Technique song and calling it an ideology." [BTW: this is SATIRE for the humor challenged]

Sounds like Happy Wonderer is upset an antifa affiliate is calling him/her out. Happy wrote: "one of the active members of the Portland 9/11 Truth Alliance that Dramatica reviles as antisemitic is very much and quite proudly Jewish. A second, ex-member, of the 9/11 Truth Alliance that Dramatica reviles as antisemitic is also very much and quite proudly Jewish. A third, active member of the Portland 9/11 Truth Alliance that Dramatica reviles as homophobic is very gay, and a fourth is a lesbian. "

It's doubtful any of this is true, unless these supposed Jews and Lesbians are brainwashed or blackmailed by the group. Otherwise they would have spoken out against the groups antics years ago. They certainly wouldn't STILL be part of the group.

Try harder lol.

When Dramatica and Rose City Antifa Don't Know, They Just Make Shit Up. 12.Nov.2012 10:57

The Happy Wonderer

The sophomoric and malicious Rose City Antifa-affiliated website 9/11 Truth Alliance Dramatica slings potty-mouthed gender slurs at everyone it disagrees with. Dramatica's diatribes might be vaguely funny in a vulgar sort of way, like a campy show at Darcelle's, if Dramatica weren't so completely off-target and malicious.

Apparently the Dramatica author (or authors) get all their information about the members of the Portland 9/11 Truth Alliance off of the Internet, and to fill in the tremendous Black Holes of their ignorance, the Dramatica author (or authors) indulge in their malicious fantasies and simply make shit up.

Both the Rose City Antifa and the Dramatica author (or authors) label the members of the Portland 9/11 Truth Alliance as homophobic and antisemitic. Since the Dramatica website accepts no comments, perhaps one of their friends who reads this might explain to the Dramatica author (or authors) that one of the active members of the Portland 9/11 Truth Alliance that Dramatica reviles as antisemitic is very much and quite proudly Jewish. A second, ex-member, of the 9/11 Truth Alliance that Dramatica reviles as antisemitic is also very much and quite proudly Jewish. A third, active member of the Portland 9/11 Truth Alliance that Dramatica reviles as homophobic is very gay, and a fourth is a lesbian.

Considering that the active membership in the Portland 9/11 Truth Alliance is less than ten people, the percentage of Jews, gays, and lesbians in the 9/11 Truth Alliance matches or exceeds the general population. If the Dramatica author (or authors) wanted to be more accurate (although we doubt that accuracy is one of Dramatica's goals), Dramatica could claim that the 9/11 Truth Alliance includes members who are self-hating Jews and homosexuals. But since I know those 9/11 Truth Alliance members personally, I must say that I don't think that any of them hate themselves, their heritage, or their lifestyle.

Although I must admit that I do hate my own heritage quite a bit -- but I was raised in a family of Roman Catholics, which may not be relevant to this discussion. In the current fashion of political correctness, criticising the Roman Catholics is allowed, while criticising certain other religions is not.

The Dramatica website has posted photos of the Jewish and gay Portland 9/11 Truth Alliance members, but the Dramatica author (or authors) is unaware of the religion, ethnicity, or gender orientation of those individuals. I suppose that the Dramatica author (or authors) could excuse themselves by saying that those 9/11 Truth Alliance members just don't look Jewish or gay.

If the Dramatica author (or authors) or the Antifa membership had wanted to know the truth about the religious affiliation, ethnicity, or gender orientation of the individual Portland 9/11 Truth Alliance members, all they had to do is attend one of the weekly open meetings of the Portland 9/11 Truth Alliance. We would have been happy to tell them the truth, because we are, after all, Truthers. But the Dramatica author (or authors) and the Antifa members never came to any of our meetings, and they never asked us those questions; which is why the Dramatica author (or authors) and the Antifa members don't know, and they just make shit up -- which suits their personal style.

copypasta is not an answer 12.Nov.2012 12:03

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The Rose City Antifa promotes violence and rejects dialogue. 12.Nov.2012 12:10

The Happy Wonderer

No, Uninformed One; I referred to this website:  http://pdx911truthalliancedramatica.blogspot.com/

You might claim that pdx911truthalliancedramatica.blogspot isn't an "official" Rose City Antifa website, but we all know that the Rose City Antifa works anonymousy, using pseudonyms on the Internet and wearing masks in public. The Rose City Antifa has many affiliated cohorts, allies, and websites. If it quacks like the Rose City Antifa, and swims with the Rose City Antifa, it is the Rose City Antifa.

If guilt by association applies to the Portland 9/11 Truth Alliance, it also applies to the Rose City Antifa.

I repeat: the Rose City Antifa-affiliated Dramatica website ( http://pdx911truthalliancedramatica.blogspot.com/) describes members and ex-members of the Portland 9/11 Truth Alliance as antisemitic and homophobic, when in fact, two of those people are Jews, one is gay, and another is lesbian.

The Rose City Antifa promotes violence and rejects dialogue. The Q Center was engaged in dialogue with the Mars Hill Church when the Rose City Antifa's Black Bloc vandals attacked the Church, breaking a dozen windows, on April 24, 2012. The Rose City Antifa extremists sent a poison pen email to the Q Center which said: "What we have to say to the Q Center is this: FUCK YOU, you don't represent us. You prioritize social peace and the bourgeois aspirations of rich white cis gay people over the more pressing survival needs of more marginalized queers. [T]he only dialog we need with scum like Mars Hill is hammers through their windows."

The violence-prone Rose City Antifa tries to dictate its doctrine of vandalism, violence, and oppression upon all Jews, homosexuals, minorities, and Leftists. Many of us reject the Rose City Antifa's claim of authority over us.

The Rose City Antifa promotes violence and rejects dialogue. 12.Nov.2012 12:16

The Happy Wonderer

No, Uninformed One; I referred to this website:  http://pdx911truthalliancedramatica.blogspot.com/

You might claim that pdx911truthalliancedramatica.blogspot isn't an "official" Rose City Antifa website, but we all know that the Rose City Antifa works anonymousy, using pseudonyms on the Internet and wearing masks in public. The Rose City Antifa has many affiliated cohorts, allies, and websites. If it quacks like the Rose City Antifa, and swims with the Rose City Antifa, it is the Rose City Antifa.

If guilt by association applies to the Portland 9/11 Truth Alliance, it also applies to the Rose City Antifa.

I repeat: the Rose City Antifa-affiliated Dramatica website ( http://pdx911truthalliancedramatica.blogspot.com/) describes members and ex-members of the Portland 9/11 Truth Alliance as antisemitic and homophobic, when in fact, two of those people are Jews, one is gay, and another is lesbian.

The Rose City Antifa promotes violence and rejects dialogue. The Q Center was engaged in dialogue with the Mars Hill Church when the Rose City Antifa's Black Bloc vandals attacked the Church, breaking a dozen windows, on April 24, 2012. The Rose City Antifa extremists sent a poison pen email to the Q Center which said: "What we have to say to the Q Center is this: FUCK YOU, you don't represent us. You prioritize social peace and the bourgeois aspirations of rich white cis gay people over the more pressing survival needs of more marginalized queers. [T]he only dialog we need with scum like Mars Hill is hammers through their windows."

The violence-prone Rose City Antifa tries to dictate its doctrine of vandalism, violence, and oppression upon all Jews, homosexuals, minorities, and Leftists. Many of us reject the Rose City Antifa's claim of authority over us.

The Rose City Antifa promotes violence and rejects dialogue. 12.Nov.2012 13:00

The Happy Wonderer

I am not responsible for the double posting of my previous post (see above); there seems to be a bug in the Indymedia program. Now I will try again to post my new comment. To continue:

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In my previous post was referring to this website:
 http://pdx911truthalliancedramatica.blogspot.com/


Rose City Antifa partisans might claim that the pdx911truthalliancedramatica.blogspot website is not an "official" Rose City Antifa website, but we all know that the Rose City Antifa has many cohorts, affiliates, and websites. The Rose City Antifa members use pseudonyms on the Internet and they wear masks in public. If it quacks like the Rose City Antifa, and it swims with the Rose City Antifa, it is the Rose City Antifa.

If guilt by association applies to the Portland 9/11 Truth Alliance, it also applies to the Rose City Antifa.

I repeat what I stated in my previous post: The Dramatica website ( http://pdx911truthalliancedramatica.blogspot.com/) describes members of the Portland 9/11 Truth Alliance as anti-Semites and homophobes. The irony is that among the Portland 9/11 Truth Alliance members and ex-members who are negatively profiled by the Dramatica website are two Jews, a gay, and a lesbian. (There might be more; I am only speaking of those I know personally.)

The Rose City Antifa promotes violence and rejects dialogue. The Q Center in Portland had been engaged in dialogue with the Mars Hill Church when the Rose City Antifa's Black Bloc extremists attacked the Church, smashing a dozen windows, on April 24, 2012. The Rose City Antifa extremists sent a poison pen email to the Q Center which said: "When Mars Hill moved to town, "representatives" of the queer community from the Q Center met with officials from the church in order to have dialog. What we have to say to the Q Center is this: FUCK YOU, you don't represent us. You prioritize
social peace and the bourgeois aspirations of rich white cis gay people over the more pressing survival needs of more marginalized queers. [T]he only dialog we need with scum like Mars Hill is hammers through their windows."

The Rose City Antifa claims to speak for all Jews, all homosexuals, all minorities, and all Leftists. Many of us reject the violent doctrine and the Stalinist authority of the Rose City Antifa.

Great Website! 12.Nov.2012 14:24

curious

Humor is juvenile but info is well sourced. Love their Calvert page: http://pdx911truthalliancedramatica.blogspot.com/2012/03/tim-calvert.html

This is a great one too:  http://pdx911truthalliancedramatica.blogspot.com/2012/11/group-favorite-david-irving-gets-ass.html


So which one of these people a) is a member of the Portland Truth Alliance
b) is a lesbian?

Must be a girl member/associate listed there, since you're citing the website:

 http://pdx911truthalliancedramatica.blogspot.com/2012/03/jennifer-wynhausen-aka-the911stalker.html
 http://pdx911truthalliancedramatica.blogspot.com/2012/03/julie-blattenbauer-aka-miranda-priestly.html
 http://pdx911truthalliancedramatica.blogspot.com/2012/03/lori-price.html
 http://pdx911truthalliancedramatica.blogspot.com/2012/03/patty-woodward.html
 http://pdx911truthalliancedramatica.blogspot.com/2012/03/rosalee-grable-aka-webfairy.html
 http://pdx911truthalliancedramatica.blogspot.com/2012/03/sara-lamadrid-aka-casseia.html
 http://pdx911truthalliancedramatica.blogspot.com/2012/03/virginia-ginny-ross.html

Like "--" said, weird they haven't spoken out and left the group, especially when Tim Titrud gave a speech about Matthew Shepard's murder being a "false flag".

Titrud has a page too:  http://pdx911truthalliancedramatica.blogspot.com/2012/03/tim-titrud.html

A militia boy as well as a Holocaust denier. And caught running a scam with Petros Evdokas who tries to feed Antifa bullshit about how he's "speaking out"?
 link to 4.bp.blogspot.com
Titrud was founder of the group AE truth thing:  http://blogs.wweek.com/news/2010/09/09/911-truthers-taking-action-today/

Don't know what point you're trying to make about that website, "Happy". But it's very informative. Thanks for sharing.

Rose City Antifa is a Dangerous Cult 12.Nov.2012 18:18

The Happy Wonderer

curious wrote: "So which one of these people a) is a member of the Portland Truth Alliance b) is a lesbian?"

You're asking me to "out" people. No way.

Speaking of cults -- super-secret anonymity, black uniforms, hatred of all outsiders, no questioning of the leaders allowed -- that's the Rose City Antifa.

Another Example of the Dramatica Website Stupidity 13.Nov.2012 00:07

The Happy Wonderer

The Dramatica website claims that the Portland 9/11 Truth Alliance "fleeces activists for money," which is yet another example of the clueless Dramatica author (or authors) making shit up because they don't know.

The truth is that in 2007 the Portland 9/11 Truth Alliance was given $3,000 by a Jew (I kid you not) and the low-budget Portland 9/11 Truth Alliance still has a few hundred dollars of that money left in the kitty. The Jew who gave the money is a friend of mine. The Portland 9/11 Truth Alliance collects no dues and does not ask its members for money. During five years of associating with the Portland 9/11 Truth Alliance, they never asked me for money and I never gave them any. The Portland 9/11 Truth Alliance members always offered me free beer at the Lucky Lab, but I don't drink.

Rose City Antifa Members Absent from pro-Palestinian Events and Protests 13.Nov.2012 12:15

Joan Darcy

One Indymedia article doesn't compensate for the absence of Rose City Antifa members at pro-Palestinian events and rallies, such as the annual protest of the AIPAC Conference at the Mittleman Center.

@Joan Darcy 14.Nov.2012 09:07

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Can you not read?

 http://portland.indymedia.org/en/2012/09/417943.shtml?discuss#406756

Antifa is on record supporting Palestinian solidarity. How do you know members aren't present at AIPAC protests? That's probably how Titrud's flub was outed at IMC:
 http://media.portland.indymedia.org/images/2012/05/415585.jpg

If you insist on waving signs with swastikas, you can't complain when no one wants to join you. Duh.

If Israel doesn't like comparison to Nazis, Israel shouldn't act like Nazis 16.Nov.2012 18:56

Joan Darcy

Tim Titrude's sign equates Israel (which symbolizes itself with the Magen David) with the Nazis (who symbolized themselves with the Swastika). That equation is appropriate, because the Israelis have forced the Palestinians into ghettoes and are bent on exterminating them.
Many people have made that comparison, including Norman Finklestein, Gilad Aztmon, and Noam Chomsky. If the Israelis don't want to be compared to the Nazis, the Israelis shouldn't act like the Nazis.

It is horrifying and despicable that Israel is using the Holocaust as an excuse to commit genocide against the Palestinians. If your parents or grandparents were murdered by Europeans sixty-seven years ago, it doesn't give you the right to murder innocent people today.

Norman Finkelstein on Israeli Crimes Against Humanity 16.Nov.2012 22:30

Joan Darcy

Norman Finkelstein speaks about Israeli Crimes Against Humanity:
 http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=mA_3_-Osh78

Rose City Antifa makes only minor and token defense of Islamic rights 17.Nov.2012 12:57

Joan Darcy

The real pro-Palestinian activists in Portland know that the Rose City Antifa are absent from pro-Palestinian rallies and events where Israel is criticized.

A few articles on the Rose City Antifa's propaganda organ Portland Indymedia does not compensate for the absence of the Rose City Antifa from pro-Palestinian events and the Rose City Antifa's silence regarding Israeli fascism and genocied againts the Palestinians.

The US/NATO/Israeli aggression against Iraq, Afghanistan, the Palestinians, Libya, Syria, Iran and other Islamic nations is the big issue in the world today.

@joan darcy 17.Nov.2012 21:17

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"he real pro-Palestinian activists in Portland know that the Rose City Antifa are absent from pro-Palestinian rallies and events where Israel is criticized. "

How can you possibly know Antifa is absent IF YOU DON'T KNOW WHO THEY ARE?

Sheesh....

If a group doesn't identify themselves, we'll assume they didn't attend. 18.Nov.2012 13:21

Joan Darcy

"How can you possibly know Antifa is absent IF YOU DON'T KNOW WHO THEY ARE?"

If the Rose City Antifa can show up to protest the Mars Hill Church or a David Irving lecture, and identify themselves as the Rose City Antifa at those events, surely the Rose City Antifa can identify themselves if they show up at a pro-Palestinian rally or a protest against AIPAC. Why should the Rose City Antifa choose to identify themselves at their Mars Hill Church or a David Irving protests, and not at pro-Palestinian rallies or at protests against AIPAC?

As long as no one openly identifies themselves as Antifa at an event, we will assume that the Antifa wasn't there. Yes, that is reasonable and fair. If a group wants to be counted as a participant at an event, it must identify itself publicly at the event.

Money, money-laudering or fraud? 28.Sep.2017 16:51

questions

The Happy Wanderer wrote in 2012:

"The truth is that in 2007 the Portland 9/11 Truth Alliance was given $3,000 by a Jew (I kid you not) and the low-budget Portland 9/11 Truth Alliance still has a few hundred dollars of that money left in the kitty. "

Whomever this person is, they were probably VERY new to the local conspiracy scene and were, shocker, being lied to--or at least greatly misinformed. Happy is probably talking about funding for the conspiracy David Ray Griffin event, that was alleged to be bankrolled by two "anonymous donors" to the tune of $1500+. According to these messages, the people handling the funds were Glenn Goldman, David Morrison and Petros Evdokas. Because these people are idiots who think it's a good idea to have public archives of their scam, there are messages detailing this:

 https://groups.yahoo.com/neo/groups/911truthportland/conversations/messages/47

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47DRGriffin-event-work-group / summary of our Finances for the DRGriffin event
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Petros Evdokas
May 24, 2007
Hello,

This is another summary of our Finances for the DRGriffin event.

It's close to the final, but not yet: there is still missing
information. It's an accurate sketch created to the best of my
knowledge.

If any of you have any more information to add, or corrections to make,
*please* send them to any of our email lists and to me, and we'll be
able to produce a better final accounting.

The previous version of this was published here:
"Finances for the DRGriffin event"
 http://groups.yahoo.com/group/pdx911truth/message/1008

The present summary simply builds on that previous update with
corrections and new information given to me by several of you - thanks!

Even though the information is not complete yet, there is enough for us
to make some decisions.

We are able, I think, to make some of our payments even as we wait for
the rest of the numbers. I'll send proposals to the group on that
basis.


My apologies if you receive multiple copies.

Thanks,
Petros
_________



Various Assets:
$650 loan, from Anonymous donor A, for general use;
$1000 grant, from Anonymous donor B, specified for publicity costs.
These amounts were received by David Morrison.

Money pledged, if there was a need for additional funds - as far as I
know we did not use these:
$200 from Glenn Goldman;
$300 from David Morrison.


Money we Owe, and/or Amounts to account for:
$800 min to DRGriffin,
(or, half of the excess in ticket revenues after payment of all
expenses - this amount is also commonly and inacurately called "profit"
but it's good for all of us to remember that our project was a
non-profit volunteer event);
$150 Additional fee for the Ballroom, $150; we already paid (I think)
$285 of a total $435;
$650 loan;
Costs from printing, remaining balance is $95 of an original cost of
$195paid by Agnieszka and Jack;
Cost for advertisement in Agnieszka Laska Dancers event program $25;
Costs to purchase blank tickets and print them -?? unknown amount (I
think David M. has that information);
Cost for advertisement in the Alliance, paid by Glenn G, $90;
Cost of advertisement in the Vanguard - ?? amount unknown, arranged by
David M.
Complementary tickets, valued around $50, issued by Glenn O.
Value of unpaid seats according to the "no one turned away policy" ??,
unknown (my estimate is less than five people);
Miscellaneous expenses shouldered by various individuals, like
photocopies; plastic tape; bottled water; internet bandwidth; all these
were unstated and unclaimed - ?? uknown.


Money allocated for spending:
Around $980 for KPOJ/Air America radio ad. - I don't know if it was
paid; David M. has that information.


Revenues:
Ticket sales - Cash and checks collected at the door, now in Glenn G'.s
bank account: $2309.40
Revenues from Mel, advance ticket sales: $81
Revenues from advance ticket sales by other individuals ?? uknknown;
Revenues from brownpapertickets $223 (we have not received this amount,
they owe it to us);
Revenues from Laughing Horse ticket sales: ?? unknown, David and/or
Glen O. might have this information.

Revenue to us by Gabriel Day in return for tabling: ?? unknown.
.............................


Now its known Evdokas was working with Titrud in private long after an alleged group "split" , and, even years later, Goldman was working with the public Truther alliance in public, the question is why all the games? What were they hiding and from whom? It seems like A LOT OF EFFORT to go to just to recruit new conspiracy blood, though from the Petros/Titrud scam that was clearly part of what they do.

But there's got to be something else. After this when down in 2012-2012 the conspiracy scene collapsed in Portland and never recovered. Titrud is reported to be an open nazi and Trump supporter and Evdokas is hiding in Cyprus....a major center of Russian money laundering.

Back to Happy's $3000 figure. Assuming it's correct, there's money unaccounted for. Also, the bulk of the money reported by Evdokas is ANONYMOUS donations. But somehow Happy knows who these people are(Possibly Richard Frager? Or the lawyer Ginny Ross?) Or....Happy has just been lied to and the Conspiracy Alliance is being used as someone's slushfund/laundering gig and a lot more money is passing through than Happy knows about.

And, the million dollar question--what did allegedly leftist alternative media ---like KBOO and Portland Indymeda-- know about these "alt-right before it was cool" grifters--AND WHEN DID THEY KNOW IT?


Because transferring large sums of money over state or country lines without proper documentation is illegal...as is sending malicious and deceptive information by email, something this group excelled at.