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1,600 Architects & Engineers Deliver 9/11 Explosive Evidence to Portland

Richard Gage, AIA, architect and founder of the 1,600 strong Architects & Engineers for 9/11 Truth, will be returning to Portland . Gage will be delivering the evidence for explosive demolition in the compelling dynamic multi-media presentation "9/11: Blueprint for Truth - Re-Examining the Destruction of the Three World Trade Center Skyscrapers." The presentation will take place at the Moreland Theater in southeast Portland at 2 pm on Sunday, February 19.
To Whom It May Concern,

This event is put together by local architects and engineers. Any help getting the word out about this event is much appreciated.

9/11 is why we torture, bomb, rendition, grope, wiretap, assassinate, imprison and deport. Shouldn't we have a realistic assessment of what happened on that day?

J.T. Waldron


1,600 Architects & Engineers Deliver 9/11 Explosive Evidence
February 19th - Moreland Theater

Richard Gage, AIA, architect and founder of the 1,600 strong Architects & Engineers for 9/11 Truth, will be returning to Portland . Gage will be delivering the evidence for explosive demolition in the compelling dynamic multi-media presentation "9/11: Blueprint for Truth - Re-Examining the Destruction of the Three World Trade Center Skyscrapers." The presentation will take place at the Moreland Theater in southeast Portland at 2 pm on Sunday, February 19.

The Architects & Engineers for 9/11 Truth (AE911Truth.org) have examined in great detail the destruction of all three World Trade Center skyscrapers on 9/11 and are calling for a new independent investigation. They have found that the evidence and eyewitness testimony is completely at odds with the official explanation of events. Such an investigation will ensure that the evidence ignored by prior building reports by governmental agencies like FEMA and NIST (National Institute of Standards and Technologies) is properly considered and that the truth sought by victim family members is finally delivered.

"My introduction to the problems with the official 9/11 narrative occurred several years after 9/11," says Mr. Gage. "I was listening to the radio and heard Dr. David Ray Griffin describe how over 100 first responders reported explosions on 9/11." Adds Mr. Gage: "I was shocked that this vital information was not being considered by the official investigations or reported by the media. As I looked into these matters further, I discovered that this was only the tip of the iceberg."

The Portland Action Group of Architects & Engineers for 9/11 Truth is sponsoring this event and is proud to carry on the work begun by the family members of the 9/11 victims in seeking a new investigation.

Local Contact:
David Fura
503-481-8692
 PortlandAE911Truth@yahoo.com

www.PortlandAE911Truth.org

homepage: homepage: http://www.PortlandAE911Truth.org
phone: phone: 503-481-8692


Throw your money away! 15.Feb.2012 00:02

Being duped by conartists is fun!

From PDF: "$10, $8 in advance."

This event is put on by 'The Portland Action Group of Architects & Engineers for 9/11 Truth', which I've never heard of. But sounds like another front group for the Portland 9/11 Truth Alliance:

 http://portland.indymedia.org/en/2012/01/413648.shtml?discuss#396802
 http://portland.indymedia.org/en/2012/01/413648.shtml?discuss#396828
 http://groups.yahoo.com/group/Portland911Truth/message/1120

If you must throw your money away on this latest kooky conjob, pay cash at the door, don't go to meetings and don't sign their email lists!!!!

Interview of Richard Gage to air this Friday the 17th on KBOO 15.Feb.2012 01:46

Mel

It's been nearly four years since Richard Gage presented in Portland. The last time was in 2008 at Berbati's Pan with a small audience. Architects & Engineers have grown a lot since then.

KBOO Radio will be airing an interview with Richard Gage during their fund drive. 11am this Friday the 17th. Not live, but the only program on Richard Gage in the area on radio or tv.

On March 5th 2008, Cris Andreae of Air Cascadia on KBOO interviewed Richard Gage, which can be heard here:
 http://kboo.fm/node/33752

Join Us! 15.Feb.2012 08:43

Marcela PortlandAE911Truth@yahoo.com

2-hr presentation by San Francisco Bay Area architect Richard Gage, AIA, then Q&A
(Founder of Architects & Engineers for 9/11 Truth)
"9/11: Blueprint for Truth"

Sunday, Feb 19, at Moreland Theater, 2-5pm
(6712 SE Milwaukie Ave, Portland, OR 97202)


Join them! They're not trying to scam you! Honest! 15.Feb.2012 10:18

they are creepy people looking for more creepy people

Three members of the "Portland AE" group comment and not one of them is going to object to being called a front group for the racist friendly Portland 9/11 Truth Alliance?  http://portland.indymedia.org/en/2009/07/392889.shtml

Then they might be afraid to be called out on a lie because they all meet at the True Brew coffee shop:

 http://portland.indymedia.org/en/2012/01/413648.shtml

"This Saturday, January 28th, 2012, from 11am -1pm The Portland 911 Truth
Alliance presents two candidates for Mayor of Portland: Scott Fernandez and Max
Brunn.

This event starts at 11 a.m. so please be on time. We will meet at True Brew
Coffee Shop at 3370 SE Milwaukie Ave near Powell Blvd."
-falseflagusa

 http://groups.yahoo.com/group/Portland911Truth/message/876

"The Portland 911 Truth Alliance has a meeting every Saturday from 11 AM to 1 PM at the True Brew Located at 3370 SE Milwaukie Ave, Portland." -Richard Frager

 http://tech.groups.yahoo.com/group/PortlandAE911Truth/message/95

"I have scheduled the next two meetings at our usual time and place. I understand that not everybody 'loves' this time and place so I would like to ask everyone to propose their ideal time and place to meet. But for this upcoming meeting on Saturday let's meet at the usual place and time:

True Brew Coffeehouse, 3370 SE Milwaukie, Portland, 11am - 1pm Saturday December 3"

-David Fura

pdx911truth.ning.com/

"The Portland 911 Truth Alliance meets every Saturday from 11 AM to 1 PM at the True Brew located at 3370 Southeast Milwaukie Avenue Portland, OR. " -Tim Titrud

The meetup is rumored to meet at True Brew too but hard to say from their page:  http://www.meetup.com/Portland911Truth/

Most people who meet regularly at the same place and time don't go to such lengths to pretend they're not the same group lol.

But the creepiest part is ignoring the PDX911truth front groups exposure. NORMAL people try to defend themselves b/c they don't want to look like con artists even if they are. The Portland 9/11 truth Alliance must not care as long as they can keep the con going and lie convincingly to their brainwashed members.

Portland Action Group, Architects & Engineers for 9/11 Truth 16.Feb.2012 06:20

David Fura

There is too much ignorance on display in this thread and way too much decision making based on this ignorance, which is not a sign of sound thinking. I will take responsibility for some of this confusion by not making clear who we are earlier (responsibility for the unsound thinking, of course, belongs to its own author).

As J.T. pointed out, the Portland Action Group of Architects & Engineers for 9/11 Truth formed last fall around the activities of the 9/11 anniversary. Last summer I signed up to be the Local Contact for AE911Truth. Shortly after that Marcela Pena contacted me. Now that there were two of us we decided to put on an event. This was a presentation of the preliminary version of the new AE911Truth video, "Experts Speak Out" at the Hillsdale LIbrary in southwest Portland last September. Since that time we added members, including J.T. and Glenn Goldman, and formed an official Portland Action Group within AE911Truth.

Now, where to hold meetings? Since some of the members of our new group know some of the members of the Portland 9/11 Truth Alliance I decided to hold meetings simultaneous with their meetings. We would meet every two weeks while the Truth Alliance met every week. This provided a lot of cool energy having so many truth activists in the same room at the same time. The way this worked was that for 15 minutes or so, as people were coming in, the two groups would socialize. Following that, we broke off into two separate groups and held two independent conversations at two separate tables. As J.T. also pointed out, the last two meetings of ours were held from 9-11 am, ahead of the Truth Alliance meetings held from 11-1. This was done because of personal work conflicts of some of our members. It also afforded the people who wanted to attend both meetings the opportunity to do so.

All of the members of the AE911Truth Portland Action Group are members of AE911Truth, having signed the petition at AE911Truth.org. Very few of the members of the Portland 9/11 Truth Alliance have signed the petition at AE911Truth (I have the list of signers for Oregon). The focus of our discussions are different. We stick to the hard evidence behind the collapses of the three WTC towers in New York on 9/11. The Truth Alliance includes our topic as a small subset of what they cover. However, differences in topics aside, as well as disagreements in some areas, I consider the members of the Portland 9/11 Truth Alliance patriots for their work to inform the people of Portland of the false official explanation for 9/11.

Come to the Richard Gage presentation and see for yourself what we are about. The event at the Moreland Theater starts at 2 pm this Sunday. Ticket prices are $10 at the door, $8 in advance (Brown Bag Tickets), $5 for students & seniors, and $0 if you cannot afford to pay for a ticket. There is also a second event at PCC-Sylvania on Monday at noon. A donation is suggested for that event.

Whoever it is making false accusations against the AE911Truth Portland Action Group should be ashamed of yourself. An apology from you would be in order, although I certainly don't expect one based on what I've read so far.

Sincerely,

David Fura, Ph.D.
Engineer
Portland Action Group, AE911Truth

(Note: this is a repost as it seems that my first try did not make it through some connection problems.)

More Info on Portland Action Group, AE911Truth 16.Feb.2012 06:52

David Fura

For those interested in learning more about Architects & Engineers for 9/11 Truth, please visit AE911Truth.org. The local Portland Action Group website is PortlandAE911Truth.org. Please consider signing the petition demanding a new 9/11 investigation.

The petition text can be found here:

 http://www2.ae911truth.org/signpetition.php

It reads:

TO THE MEMBERS OF THE HOUSE OF REPRESENTATIVES AND
OF THE SENATE OF THE UNITED STATES OF AMERICA
Please Take Notice That:
On Behalf of the People of the United States of America, the undersigned Architects & Engineers for 9/11 Truth and affiliates hereby petition for, and demand, a truly independent investigation with subpoena power in order to uncover the full truth surrounding the events of 9/11/01 - specifically the collapse of the World Trade Center Towers and Building 7. We believe there is sufficient doubt about the official story to justify re-opening the 9/11 investigation. The new investigation must include a full inquiry into the possible use of explosives that might have been the actual cause of the destruction of the World Trade Center Twin Towers and Building 7.
The Portland Action Group contact info for Marcela and myself is here (scroll down to Oregon):

 link to www.ae911truth.org

Well Thats Your Opinion 17.Feb.2012 12:56

Have a laugh why dont ya

Being duped by conartists is fun!

What ever you say - I guess we wil have to listen to you

You think its garbage - ok - so what?

I dont think it is?

Please dont just come-a-tro-lling over here and bombarding us with your opinion

rex and Antifas are gatekeepers for US Government and elitist Establishment 11.Mar.2013 10:23

Antifas are Fascists

Question: Why do rex and the Antifas always vehemently ridicule 9/11 Truthers, critics of the bogus War on Terrorism, critics of Israel, and critics of the Global Warming hysteria?

Answer: Because rex, low Fidelity, and the Antifas are gatekeepers for the US Government and the elitist Establishment.

Here's some crazy conspiracy theories for you:

Arabs with boxcutters made the Twin Towers collapse.

The (bogus) threat of international Islamic terrorism.

The Israelis are only defending themselves.

CO2 will incinerate the planet.

Just to lighten things up, here's a joke: "Israel is a Democracy." (Audience laughter).

Okay, here's another joke: "The USA is a Democracy." (More audience laughter).

MUcmvgnJnhTImN 09.Apr.2014 12:28

HHzIJVisNDyZf john@hotmail.com



discussion

interview of Richard Gage to air this Friday on KBOO 14.Feb.2012 22:53

mel

It's been nearly four years since Richard Gage presented in Portland. The last time was in 2008 at Berbati's Pan with a small audience. Architects & Engineers have grown a lot since then.

KBOO Radio will be airing an interview with Richard Gage during their fund drive. 11am this Friday the 17th. Not live, but the only program on Richard Gage in the area on radio or tv.

On March 5th 2008, Cris Andreae of Air Cascadia on KBOO interviewed Richard Gage, which can be heard here:
 http://kboo.fm/node/33752

Who's the con artist? 15.Feb.2012 09:27

J.T. Waldron jt@theintercept.com

The first sentence from the anonymous post is already misleading.

From PDF: "$10, $8 in advance." What immediately followed in the pdf is "Nobody will be turned away at for lack of funds".

It's called a working group because there are at least three people (myself included) who are not engineers but prefer the work of Architects and Engineers for 9/11 Truth over the more speculative holograms, exotic weapons-based, no planes approach. Anybody with questions about who the group consists of has the option of contacting David Fura, an engineer for Intel, to find out more about the group.

I thought warning people from participating in our group by suggesting guilt through association was the job of Sunstein and co.

Portland 9/11 Truth Meetup Group and the Smell of Bacon
 http://weeklyintercept.blogspot.com/2011/11/portland-911-truth-meetup-group-and.html

@waldron 15.Feb.2012 10:57

nice spin attempt

You wrote "It's called a working group".

Nowhere above does anyone on this page say 'working group' except you. It is described as an "action group".

Though your statement is interesting; are you admitting "Portland Action Group of Architects & Engineers for 9/11 Truth" is a 'working group' of the Portland 9/11 Truth Alliance?

When Fura wrote: "Portland Action Group of Architects & Engineers for 9/11 Truth is sponsoring this event", most people will assume the group is representing itself and is not a working group of another.

TALK ABOUT MISLEADING.

From ur blogspot 15.Feb.2012 11:13

meetup vs meetup?

Weird:
"Meetup Group: Portland 9/11 Truth (Note: This is not the other 9/11 truth group called "Portland 9/11 Truth Alliance" which has its leaders putting forth the notion that no planes hit the Twin Towers)
Meetup Moderator: Michael Sullivan (Referred to as Michael)"

TTBOMK neither of the leaders of the first Portland 911 meetups (Ginny Ross and Sara Lamadrid)promoted no planes hit the towers. The current pubic yahoo group  http://groups.yahoo.com/group/Portland911Truth/ was started by Ginny Ross. There are rumors they spread the no planes scam on private lists, are you confirming that?

Maybe you don't know the history of the people you're involved with; someone else laid it out here:
 http://portland.indymedia.org/en/2012/01/413648.shtml?discuss#396828

Don't drink the Kool-Aid

Guilt by Association 15.Feb.2012 11:30

J.T. Waldron jt@theintercept.com

They've met at the same time in the same coffee house but they are two different groups. The rationale appears to be that a location with other 9/11 Truth groups would attract those looking for an alternative.

I found this cumbersome because I personally liked to attend the Portland 9/11 Truth Alliance for their interesting discussions (though they tend to wander far off the beaten track).

That's one of the reasons why we finally started Portland's ae911truth meetings at 9:00AM to 11:00AM.

You've caught my attention because you chose to omit this point. Peculiar, given the your time spent researching the matter...

I take the approach by Architects and Engineers for 9/11 Truth very seriously. They do distinguish themselves with their focus on what is scientifically demonstrated from existing evidence.

Alternately, I'm very public about my critique of the Portland 9/11 Truth Alliance:

 http://weeklyintercept.blogspot.com/2011/07/reply-to-fetzer-over-no-plane-nonsense.html

Sure, we should scrutinize those attempting to discredit the movement from within, but close attention should be paid to those outside of the movement going out of their way to discredit 9/11 Truth.

working group issue 15.Feb.2012 11:41

J.T. Waldron jt@theintercept.com

Sorry about the confusion. I had mis-spoken. The person suggesting no differentiation from the other groups used the term "Portland Action Group". I should have used that term as well.

And you are correct when you state,"the group is representing itself and is not a working group of another."

PFJ? 15.Feb.2012 12:29

Garth

Will the Judean People's Front be there? The People's Front of Judea?

@Garth 15.Feb.2012 14:33

re:PFJ?

Is your comment supposed to be funny? You think people being scammed is funny?

And no Waldron this is not easy to believe:
"And you are correct when you state,"the group is representing itself and is not a working group of another." "

It is the same people who have been running this conspiracy scam in the Portland area since 2005. Unless Glenn Goldman, the owner of the Portland AE yahoogroup, would like to share with everyone why his friend Petros Evdokas is sharing a list with their racist "enemy" Tim Titrud.

"They've met at the same time in the same coffee house but they are two different groups. The rationale appears to be that a location with other 9/11 Truth groups would attract those looking for an alternative. "

Bullshit. If you meet at the same time, the same place, with the same people, YOU ARE THE SAME GROUP. There are are legal precedents that support this; that's how cult front groups get exposed.

Waldron being weird? 15.Feb.2012 14:41

??

"You've caught my attention because you chose to omit this point. Peculiar, given the your time spent researching the matter... "

Who is this 'you' and who do you think is "researching the matter"? Are you claiming your group has an 'in' at portland indymedia and access to traffic? They've made that bs claim before....another sign of con artists.

It isn't strange at all anyone would want to know WHO THEY ARE GIVING MONEY TO given this group's history
 http://portland.indymedia.org/en/2009/07/392889.shtml

Hysterics 15.Feb.2012 15:55

J.T. Waldron jt@theintercept.com

I've been here since the Fall of 2010. As far as I know, Portland ae911truth really solidified around the 10-year anniversary of 9/11 with a library showing of "Experts Speak Out".

In these kinds of pissing matches, my tendency is figure out who is the more tolerant group. I find that the Portland 9/11 Truth Alliance is courteous and respectful - even when I disagree with their positions.

An indication that those with an axe to grind can easily have a direct, meaningful exchange of ideas with that group over whatever issue they might have. They're honestly lacking the hysterics I see in this thread.

Condescension noted 15.Feb.2012 17:15

lost cause thy name is Waldron

"Hysterics"? You should apologize to Indymedia readers, Antifa and others who have dealt with the PDx/Portland 911 Truth alliance bs for years. If you didn't know about it fine, but what's your excuse now? Most people would be grateful they found this shit out before they got further involved. But obviously the koolaid was too tasty for you.

They work with racists.
They lie about who they work with.
They try to get money out of people while working with racists and lying about who they work with.
This is a scam and indicates fraud.
Then they send goons to comments on indymedia implying anyone exposing the group's history is an agent
"I thought warning people from participating in our group by suggesting guilt through association was the job of Sunstein and co. "

How predictable. Just another conspiracy looney clown circus getting more gullible patsies

"In these kinds of pissing matches, my tendency is figure out who is the more tolerant group. I find that the Portland 9/11 Truth Alliance is courteous and respectful - even when I disagree with their positions. "

There's no 'match'. Your friends are conartists. Of course they're going to be nice to your face...THAT'S WHAT CON ARTISTS DO. Good luck; you'll need it.

"They're honestly lacking the hysterics I see in this thread."

Hysterics? You mean like when you posted a comment implying people were agents of Sunstein????? Didn't think that one through....they like to pull that too..calling everyone at Indymedia 'spooks' or 'cointelpro' if they don't agree. There's your hysterics.

u have bigger probelms than a missing pdf sentence 15.Feb.2012 17:24

getaclue

Read this guy's story before making more dumb comments
 http://portland.indymedia.org/en/2012/01/413648.shtml#396802

"I thought warning people from participating in our group by suggesting guilt through association was the job of Sunstein and co. "

yeah cuz it's always a 'conspiracy' with conspiracy people. Funny how that works out....

Asking people to join a 'group' under false pretenses(saying you don't work with people when you actually do) is a con game. Asking people for money while presenting these false pretenses is fraud.
Defending this is brainwashing.

Take your tinfoil hat off and smell the coffee.
If you're not part of the problem, someone is obviously lying to you.

Portland Action Group, Architects & Engineers for 9/11 Truth 16.Feb.2012 05:30

David Fura

There is too much ignorance on display in this thread and way too much decision making based on this ignorance, which is not a sign of sound thinking. I will take responsibility for some of this confusion by not making clear who we are earlier (responsibility for the unsound thinking, of course, belongs to its own author).

As J.T. pointed out, the Portland Action Group of Architects & Engineers for 9/11 Truth formed last fall around the activities of the 9/11 anniversary. Last summer I signed up to be the Local Contact for AE911Truth. Shortly after that Marcela Pena contacted me. Now that there were two of us we decided to put on an event. This was a presentation of the preliminary version of the new AE911Truth video, "Experts Speak Out" at the Hillsdale LIbrary in southwest Portland last September. Since that time we added members, including J.T. and Glenn Goldman, and formed an official Portland Action Group within AE911Truth.

Now, where to hold meetings? Since some of the members of our new group know some of the members of the Portland 9/11 Truth Alliance I decided to hold meetings simultaneous with their meetings. We would meet every two weeks while the Truth Alliance met every week. This provided a lot of cool energy having so many truth activists in the same room at the same time. The way this worked was that for 15 minutes or so, as people were coming in, the two groups would socialize. Following that, we broke off into two separate groups and held two independent conversations at two separate tables. As J.T. also pointed out, the last two meetings of ours were held from 9-11 am, ahead of the Truth Alliance meetings held from 11-1. This was done because of personal work conflicts of some of our members. It also afforded the people who wanted to attend both meetings the opportunity to do so.

All of the members of the AE911Truth Portland Action Group are members of AE911Truth, having signed the petition at AE911Truth.org. Very few of the members of the Portland 9/11 Truth Alliance have signed the petition at AE911Truth (I have the list of signers for Oregon). The focus of our discussions are different. We stick to the hard evidence behind the collapses of the three WTC towers in New York on 9/11. The Truth Alliance includes our topic as a small subset of what they cover. However, differences in topics aside, as well as disagreements in some areas, I consider the members of the Portland 9/11 Truth Alliance patriots for their work to inform the people of Portland of the false official explanation for 9/11.

Come to the Richard Gage presentation and see for yourself what we are about. The event at the Moreland Theater starts at 2 pm this Sunday. Ticket prices are $10 at the door, $8 in advance (Brown Bag Tickets), $5 for students & seniors, and $0 if you cannot afford to pay for a ticket. There is also a second event at PCC-Sylvania on Monday at noon. A donation is suggested for that event.

Whoever it is making false accusations against the AE911Truth Portland Action Group should be ashamed of yourself. An apology from you would be in order, although I certainly don't expect one based on what I've read so far.

Sincerely,

David Fura, Ph.D.
Engineer
Portland Action Group, AE911Truth

(Note: this is a repost as it seems that my first try did not make it through some connection problems.)

Painting with a Broad Brush 16.Feb.2012 08:34

Glenn Goldman

Since my name was mentioned, I guess I need to speak up. I DO and WILL denounce the 9/11 Truth Alliance for their propensity to see the "Joos" (sorry, Zionists) behind every evil perpetrated by the ruling class.

I was not aware that there was an effort to coordinate meeting times with the "Truth Alliance." Before I joined the local a&e9/11 group, I made it VERY clear that I did not want to have anything to do with the "Alliance" group. I've only attended two meetings, and only at the last meeting did I see members of the Alliance show up toward the end of the A&E meeting. Had I known that there was a conscious effort to coordinate with them, I would have objected.

I was involved with Portland 9/11 Truth Alliance some years back when they were meeting at Laughing Horse. I helped organize for the David Ray Griffin event. It became clear to me then that there was a racist, sexist, homophobic, anti-semitic element dominating the group, particularly after they unashamedly and unapologetically invited a blatantly racist speaker to Laughing Horse. That was the end of my relationship with them.

All of this said, I suggest that the ones pointing their fingers and smearing the entire 9/11 truth movement with a broad brush search their own souls. The fact that some people who attach themselves to a movement have questionable politics does not and cannot impact forensic evidence. What is IS, and what ain't AIN'T. Architects and Engineers for 9/11 Truth deals only with forensic evidence. Those people using the political incorrectness of a small (albeit vocal) segment of the 9/11 truth movement as an excuse to conveniently not have to examine the physical evidence are not demonstrating very much intellectual integrity, IMO.

Thanks Glenn for weighing in 17.Feb.2012 10:34

stillnotbuyingit

You're less arrogant than your friends, but only slightly. Your comment still implies Indy readers are being unfair to your group(s). Maybe you want to explain how this AE group 'accidentally' got mixed up with Titrud's group  http://portland.indymedia.org/en/2009/07/392889.shtml
why this Petros guy someone says you know(do you know him?) told someone the same "there was a racist, sexist, homophobic, anti-semitic element dominating the group" bs  http://portland.indymedia.org/en/2012/01/413648.shtml?discuss#396461
while Petros and Titrud where still working on the same email list  link to 3.bp.blogspot.com

Then you can explain why Titrud would promote this event  http://i39.tinypic.com/16jpj10.jpg since he knows you're involved through his supposed separate group
 http://groups.yahoo.com/group/Portland911Truth/message/1120

>>Hi All,

I attached the press release for the event. We would love to see you there and please pass this on to all the people in your networks.
Thanks!

David Fura
Marcela Pena
J.T.
Tom Hermach
Glenn Goldman <
John Daggett

According to your story the distrust should be mutual, unless Jew hating racists are more tolerant than anyone thinks, lol.

Kicking Dead Horses 17.Feb.2012 15:27

Take a Break

I think someone is obsessed and is clearly on a one track mindless rant

People join many groups

People sometime belong to a variety of groups

People sometime don't bother with quitting a group or removing themselves from lists

People sometimes cross multiple lines to get and share information

People sometime will work with and around others who don't believe the exact same way or beliefs

People will engage and tap into as many networks as they can to get new followers or interested allies or to engage across multiple platforms and listservs

People don't have to abide by a line item list that you tailor make to fit "your perspective"

People don't have to believe what you say (over n over n over) and make all the "far fetching" connections you want them to make, in spite of you ramming it down indy readers throats.

People want the truth about 911 and yet you talk about EVERYTHING but 911 on a thread that is about 911 Truth. (?)

People who read indymedia *all don't agree with your long triads and connecting the dots conspiracies

People come here to get news, but your not delivering news

People who read this post wanted info about what happened on 911 not who belongs to who's yahoo group

People who came to this post wanted to hear about the 1,600 Architects & Engineers regarding 911

People want topics and conversations about local and world issues, you hijacked the post and derailed it to obscure rants and links to people and long never ending threads of who know who, who knows who

People who read indymedia would rather read about news and events, not your detective work

Start a blog or a website, quit filling the servers up with your conversations with your self.

At least have the decency to other readers here to start your own topic and not highjack the conversation.

You mention lots of names, you mention indymedia, you mention groups, you mention lots of assuming innuendos. I am hoping after you read this you will be more thoughtful (considerate) how you drag - people / groups / collectives / around here online. You infer and accuse many things in your rants that are incorrect and technically wrong.

Don't ask me to explain or reply back. The conversation with me is over. Juts like you are doing I am ranting with no intention of doing anything different. This whole topic of yours (and) "Not the original post which was about 1,600 Architects & Engineers" is mute and off topic. I will make no reply. You have said everything twice at least. We Know all about it. Take a Break.

the anti-haters are really THE haters 19.Feb.2012 02:01

falseflagusa

The whole irony of the fact is that the so-called anti-haters are really THE HATERS. They make snide remarks behind the air of anonymity. They make unfounded accusations and then like a little dog runs away when the light is aimed at them. I pity them, it is beyond obvious where they get their funding. I've meet these obvious spOOks and found them anti-democratic, anti-American at its core and anti-humanistic. Their trick is to accuse others of exactly what they are. The bottom line is that 9/11 was a covert State military operation with the help of other foreign intel. and military agencies in Pakistan, England and Israel. We can't stop the haters from hating or the spOOks from spOOking. They will have to live with their own lies. I truly pity them.

@falseflagusa 19.Feb.2012 12:25

lmao

Thanks for showing everyone who's really 'hysterical':
"I've meet these obvious spOOks"
"They make snide remarks behind the air of anonymity."

Are you listening to yourself? Cuz we're all sure your mamma called you falseflagusa lol. The Portland Truth Alliance just got outed as a bunch of liars obviously sucking dim bulbs like Waldron and Fura into their games. And all the leaders can do is cry about it like babies:

Glenn Goldman; Waahhh you caught me using the same scam Petros did waaaah! I'm not explaining why racist Titrud is still our friend and promoting our event! Waaahh!

falseflagusa; Waaaahhh all these people proving we're liars are SPOOKS! Waaahhh!

But crying like babies is something members of the Portland 911'Truth' Alliance excel at
 http://portland.indymedia.org/en/2006/01/331185.shtml#208173

Are Policy Violations happening here? 19.Feb.2012 13:35

Get Your Own Blog

lmao: I think the admins should pull this off topic rant and finger pointing you are indulging in. Moderators note that these comments have nothing to do with original post. Moderators note that comments are bordering on many violations of the indymedia policies:

(  http://portland.indymedia.org/en/static/edpolicy.shtml )

3.are obviously libelous or slanderous
4.interfere with the technical functionality of the website
5.are intended to disrupt the site
6.are empty posts (no content or gibberish)

8.promote racism, homophobia, sexism, or other oppression against human or non-human animals.
9.are obviously incorrect or misleading, including attempts to spread dis-information
10.contain social sabotage of Peoples' struggles

As a previous comment suggests: get your own website or a blog to rant.
You are posting garbage and unrelated smears.

email indymedia 19.Feb.2012 14:09

use the contact email, Luke

"3.are obviously libelous or slanderous "
"9.are obviously incorrect or misleading, including attempts to spread dis-information"

How? All the images and links above pretty much prove someone in the Portland 9/11 Truth alliance is lying about something. The same people who brought David Irving to town are promoting this Ae911 event.  http://portland.indymedia.org/media/images/2012/02/413955.jpg Makes perfect sense to warn people their money could be going to closet racists. The fact none of the leaders who posted takes this seriously is telling. As has been said before:

"You do it to yourself 23.Jul.2009 13:24
Romany Mariposa

911 Truth allied ITSELF with fascists. Unapologetically so. Folks here are just pointing it out. "

 http://portland.indymedia.org/en/2009/07/392829.shtml?discuss#356271

Anyone who doesn't agree can email portlandindymedia about the comments.

Portland Independent Media Feedback 20.Feb.2012 22:03

David Fura

For the people still viewing this thread, if you have a minute, I'd like to get your feedback on the effectiveness of this website.

How many people learned about the Richard Gage presentation at the Moreland Theater here and nowhere else?
If you did then did you actually attend the presentation?
Thanks.

Dave

I wanted to go 21.Feb.2012 13:01

Joe Anybody

Hi David

This was the only place that I seen the information being posted here in the Portland area
I think using Indymedia is a good outlet for information sharing events like this

I was trying to attend but due to a very hectic schedule I was not able to do so ;-(
If anyone filmed the Gage 911 presentation I hope the link is posted here on Portland Indymedia

The information posted here regarding Richard Gage has been diluted with lots of un-needed tirades.
None the less I was able to sift through the piles of it ....to get the information that pertains to Richards 911 Truth event.

PortlandAE911Truth Contact Info 23.Feb.2012 12:41

David Fura

Joe, or anyone else interested in keeping up with AE911Truth activities in Portland, please send me an email at  PortlandAE911Truth@yahoo.com.
Thanks.

Dave

AE911Truth activities? 24.Feb.2012 21:10

uh roh

what some 'truthers' say about ae

 link to 911blogger.com

...................

A history of decision making can be filled with bad and good..

You said:

Attend the www.ae911truth.org meeting in Chicago on February 25th, 2012 at the Rosemont Convention Center 10:00 AM to 12:30 PM

For clarification, it is the Stephens Convention Center in Rosemont. I would highly recommend NOT going.

In fact, it is because of the decision to go to this event that I quit as a volunteer team leader after 2.5 years of working at ae911truth. I was not the only one to leave because of this either, however I will not say who else left - that is for themselves to say.

And why did you not say more about the event? You left it kind of vague, don't you think?

Allow me to start filling in.

Richard and team are not sure they want to publicize the fact that they are going to be speaking at a Nation of Islam event a day before Louis FarraCON and a day after the discussion: "BUSINESS WARFARE: SECRET RELATIONSHIPS BETWEEN BLACKS & JEWS"

 http://www.noi.org/sd2012/schedule.shtml

Richard wants to think this is the event that will catapault the new investigation. I have not heard anything more ridiculous and contrary to the obvious, and yes I told him exactly that many times before leaving.

Who is FarraCON:

Those "Satanic Jews have taken over BET..."
 http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4K75EPrtBz4

"Jews manage black... artists." Jews own media, blacks only succeed with Jew help.
 http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=OiQG23S2cZ4&feature=related

Whites "don't deserve any mercy....no sympathy!" "We and white people are mortal enemies"
 http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=YSfZYqCOih8&feature=related

Remember it was NOI members that killed Malcolm X after Louis said Malcolm was "worthy of death":
 http://www.youtube.com/watch?NR=1&v=EfuZoJ7jopo&feature=endscreen

Louis FarraCON prasied the death of Malcolm X and defended the actions of NOI, "I'll kill ya":
 http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5HFwinVw4wQ

(Malcolms daughter later tried to have Louis killed for his direct involvment in her father's killing)
 link to books.google.com...

After watching too many films of this guy, I feel like I was just at a Hitler rally.

Sorry Richard and my former teammembers @ ae911truth.org - but this is so stupid and irresponsible of you.
..........

someone said something about the portland truth alliance and racists? then no one in town will have a problem with welcoming these ae clowns

Why do the Antifas ignore the Anarchist dictum of Question Authority? 11.Mar.2013 10:27

Antifas are Fascists

Note that the faux-Anarchist Antifas always make "appeals to Authority" regarding 9/11. Why do the Antifas ignore the Anarchist dictum of "Question Authority?"

According to the Antifas, the US Government must be telling the truth about 9/11 because "the US Government knows more than we do."

The Antifas are incapable of discussing the facts and details of 9/11, because the Antifas refuse to study the facts and details of 9/11. So the Antifas make "appeals to Authority."

The Antifas are faux-Anarchists and faux-revolutionaries. The Antifas are controlled opposition. The Antifas are here disrupt the activities of genuine activists.

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So precious they're still around... 11.Mar.2015 22:25

april

I used to go to the truther meetings at laughing horse and they were dope. Or so I thought. Looking back it's all kookvile. Theres some truth to the "scam" allegations. For instance falseflagusa seems to be a nice guy in person but he's in this thread defending Glenn Goldman. On the list he'd warn people Goldman and his friends were cointelpro. But now he's not? And Goldman's not saying anything either, like "Dude, thanks for getting my back now, but didn't you demand to be TAKEN OFF THE LIST?"

Seriously, they had several big dramas over shit like this. You ask anyone who's been with the group for years, they give you evasive non answers or blame it on crazy people, agents, etc. Hindsight being 20/20 it was all garbage. It's the "hurrah" of a confidence trick, a big hairy crisis that's supposed to get people to bond and commit. Except this group ALWAYS HAD A CRISIS ALL THE TIME. The so called alliance never did any antiwar activism. They just ran lists spreading conspiracies and shouted about the cointelpro agents lurking around. As if.

@stillnotbuyingit
Great catch with that screenie of Glenn Goldman supported by the Portland Truth Alliance while he's claiming they're scum he'd never give the time of day. Somewhere there's another proving Petros was letting that creep Tim post to the private list(pdx911truth yahoop group). Petros actually APPROVED Tim's email. Not sure if I still have the email, but its right there in the header, approved by mod or something. I unsubscribed a couple three years back so i can't get a screen of the list any more.

Glad I'm away from that scene. Some of the people were good,lost with good intentions, but all the ones running the show were NUTS.