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Pearl Harbor Attack-Inside Job

Just want to point out to that to get America in to WWII it took a surprise attack; but was it?
Hope
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Its a legacy of a funny coincidences that allowed the destruction of the pacific fleet. Interestingly the military took the hit in 1941. In 2001 [911] the US population took the brunt of destruction. The greatest generation battle ended in 4 years. Now we have the military fighting the truth with a long battle with victory impossible.

Even now the military has plans for indefinite detention of US citizens. It appears the US military is turning into a cancer that is going to eat the body that it sprang from. It appears to be a parasite that has grown too big. With shrinking resources and the military industrial complex desire for growth the US citizen is becoming a victim.

In a great line of victims perhaps our time has come. Good Luck

Not a surprise surprise BUT ......... 08.Dec.2011 06:02

Mike Novack

What do you mean exactly?

a) Do you mean that IF Japan chose war their first action would be an attack on Pearl Harbor? No surprise there. Let me suggest you find an old book, "Sea Power" by Pratt noting carefully the date of publication (BEFORE WW II). The main subject of this naval theory book is why cruisers gained size/weight as a consequence of the Naval treaty but near the end Pratt considers various matchups between naval powers. For Japan vs the US he gives Japan's only chance as a first strike at Pearl and the only way the US could lose the war is by attempting to block this attack and/or giving battle before fully rearmed. In other words, that the US could lose a quick war but by stalling six months or so would crush Japan with its industrial might. In suggesting best tactics for both sides note that this is what the US did; kept carriers safely away and left at Ford the obsolecscent "Nevada" class BB's (very heavily armored but too slow for offensive use by this date). They were expected to be damaged, not sunk. Interestingly, Pratt also predicted that the Japanese might get as far as Midway but no farther.

b) Do you mean no warning of impending attack sent? But Pearl WAS alerted, about as much as possible without tipping off that we had cracked "Purple" (the Japanese naval code). That the top command there was incompetent to pick up a subtle warning and far too lax in preparedness another matter entirely.

c) Really important to remember, just because you suspect/know that you are being lied to doesn't mean you know about WHAT the lie is about. Consider what would have happened if knowing the attack was coming the US had sortied the fleet to meet the Japanese head on. The US would have LOST (the battle and the war). It is a maxim of war, never risk your entire fortunes with only a partion of your forces and to needlessly roll the dice this way, leaving in its scabbard our biggest weapon, industrial might, =would have been the height of foolishness.

YES there was a lie all right. They were covering up that we were in no way prepared for an IMMEDIATE war. That what we had deployed was obsolescent (only our heavy B17 bombers weren't dated by '41). We had plenty of good stuff in the pipeline, needed six months or so to get it deployed. Hence the sacrificial delaying tactics in the Philipines. Until Midway we fought only when we had to while we mobilized.