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Let us learn a lesson from Egypt concerning violence

I'd like to invoke a quote taken from a statement of solidarity with the occupy movement written by Egyptian activists and rebels
I'd like to invoke a quote taken from a statement of solidarity with the occupy movement written by Egyptian activists and rebels:

"It is not our desire to participate in violence, but it is even less our desire to lose. If we do not resist, actively, when they come to take what we have won back, then we will surely lose.

Do not confuse the tactics that we used when we shouted "peaceful" with fetishizing nonviolence; if the state had given up immediately we would have been overjoyed, but as they sought to abuse us, beat us, kill us, we knew that there was no other option than to fight back. Had we laid down and allowed ourselves to be arrested, tortured, and martyred to "make a point", we would be no less bloodied, beaten and dead.

Be prepared to defend these things you have occupied, that you are building, because, after everything else has been taken from us, these reclaimed spaces are so very precious."

Perhaps those who write the content on the Occupy Portland website should keep this in mind and think twice before denouncing marchers for daring to be angry and daring to act in self-defense.

hmm 05.Nov.2011 12:53

Jason

Yes, let's learn a lesson. Instead of having the sole desire of going out and rumbling with the cops in an adolescent rambo fantasy, try organizing and getting lots of people to come out on the streets. Then eventually when the cops do crack down, then is the time to discuss fighting back - timing is everything and those so called radicals who only want to jump right into violence do the movement a disservice.

I was a teenage Anarchist, doo doo doo doo doo, doo doo dooooo. 05.Nov.2011 14:36

anon

How about we just go out and demonstrate against Police Brutality instead of turning on each other. How fucking simple is that. If people breaking windows for you's a problem, fine, stay home. Whatever. You can sit around drinking tea and listening to vapid hipster rock all day. No harm shall ever come to your precious little heads. If the people breaking the window's are so intent on breaking windows to accomplish their goals that they're going to alienate anyone who is willing to come out and stand in solidarity with them, fine, don't have an ideology, just sit around getting jazzed up on emo rock and shit pseudo Marxist theory all day. You don't need no one Johnny Boy, someday, the people will rise up, so long as you don't alienate every one of them and reaffirm their preconceived notions, shaped and molded by the media, that the people suck and only capitalist democracy and an 8 year senator with Wall St. backing will save them.

Did anyone think about having a fucking consensus on this shit before it happened. Jesus, now I know how Ghandi felt. (I'm being facetious, I don't think anyone knew how Ghandi felt because Ghandi made mistakes in condemning violence, but also preached demonstrating outside of the law which still won enough international sympathy to win India's independence, er something.)