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We are the 1%

This statement comes from Portland, Oregon following the solidarity actions that occurred nationwide on wednesday. Despite references to specific occurrences here, I feel assured that others elsewhere are warming themselves elsewhere with similar thoughts on this particularly chilly night.
The march on wednesday was an action planned in response to police brutality; sparked, in part, by the sympathetic media coverage of Scott Olsen's wounded head, but also aimed at the much longer history of violence and murder perpetrated by police forces- in Oakland, Portland, and elsewhere (frequently against those who do not make as attractive symbols as a bloodied white veterans). It was planned by a few dozen folks who had widely differing political views and aims, in and beyond the 'left', yet agreed to organize a solidarity response and, in doing so, consensed to a *diversity of tactics* within the demonstration.

What transpired during the march on Wednesday evening was quite a different affair all together: arms were linked under banners advocating for electoral reform, socialist alternatives, and the adoption of bitcoins; chants informed onlookers that, this, in fact, was what "democracy looked like." All major targets of economic, political, and law enforcement were intentionally avoided, despite initial plans to march to these places of significance. Regardless, comrades attempted to engage in minor acts of (unsuccessful) property damage and were met with violent retaliation, de-masking, and immediate scolding at the hands of the other participants in the march. In one case, a protestor was seen striking an black-clad individual with a flag attached to a metal pole, harshly reminding them that "we are peaceful protestors" (as a resident of Portland, OR, this even exceeds my stomach for the ironic). Only one arrest was made that day, that of a man identified as David Anthony Burgess, who in defending themselves from an on-coming line of heavily armed riot police, allegedly shoved an officer in the way of a transit vehicle. However, from the looks of the statements coming out of occupy portland, it appears that David Anthony Burgess is the only one being tossed under a bus: he was identified in a "Statement of Condemnation"( http://occupyportland.org/2011/11/03/statement-condemnation/) as an 'outsider' with a 'criminal past' and thusly stands to be one of the few that are not included in the rapidly swelling '99%.' Similarly, our actions of 'escalation', as well as those who reclaimed a building in Oakland on saturday (who have also received a Statement of Condemnation), and various other comrades who have taken a similar approach, have received a comparable response from their respective Occupy movements.

Don't mistake this statement for some sniveling Trotskyite critique for "ruining our fine little marches." No, instead, what follows is a statement of gratitude for the clarity that your actions provided on that Wednesday evening:
We now know who the 1% are. It is us.

We want out. We want nothing to do with your 99%. Your political discourse that reduces societal power and privilege to the size of one's paycheck. Your adventures in chosen disempowerment and urban camping. Your progressive elevation of our target, the origin of 'injustice,' to levels of abstraction, far from our reach. Your ever-widening arms that welcome politicians, bankers, and cops without question. Your ever-weakening actions that have become nothing more than a tepid reshuffling of the deck of the status quo.

The 99%//occupy movement had so far appeared hard-pressed to find any specific group or individual actors that it does not wish to assimilate into its ranks-- aside from its occasional bouts of shadow boxing with the nameless 'wall st. elite'-- & so far, the mantle of the lawlessness and hedonism of the 1% has remained conspicuously empty. No longer. We never wanted your reform, your cooperation with the police, your snitching, your jobs, your rehashed leftist agenda that has been re-warmed so many times that it is beyond palatable.

We recognize the deep intersecting oppressions that are our true target: capitalism, the state, racism, sexism, homophobia, transphobia, ableism, etc. These forces are actively perpetuated in our daily lives by our own actions within structures not of our making, and these forces have found a home at the very base of your 'movement.' We have never felt comfortable in 99% of our modern lives, yet you insist retaining 99% of the problem (as evidenced here [ http://i.imgur.com/Ri7vH.png] by a user on the occupy portland forum, on the topic of what to do with us), we'll take our chances elsewhere-- through our hopes, dreams, and actions that have earned your condemnation.

So be it, occupy. Let down your ropes to the officials, the bankers, the cops; swell your ship to the point of bursting with the scum that have rendered modern life, as we know it, unliveable. Set sail for a new tomorrow, guts still full of the shit of yesterday. We'll jump ship and happily fill our boats with those you've cast off (the recently condemned from Oakland, and David Anthony Burgess, for example). But take warning-- a vessel that ripe with our enemies is too sweet an opportunity to pass up, you soon may find yourselves taking on water (provided you don't manage to sink by your own hands).

thank you 04.Nov.2011 12:48

a local resident

This needs to be said. The occupation is getting more absurd every day. The website denounces the most inspiring march that's happened in Portland in a while. Occupy 'leaders' stand with the police even while the police union issues a call to the citizens of Portland to shut down the occupation. The 'peace and security' group threatens to defy GA policy, if they don't like it. Arrested protesters are considered guilty until proven innocent... what is going on?

The pacifists in the occupation think that they're saving it from those who will destroy it, while in fact they are actively, aggressively alienating vast segments of the population. LOTS AND LOTS OF PEOPLE don't think it's automatically a crime to act in self-defense against the police. LOTS AND LOTS OF PEOPLE actually want to see the occupation do something concrete to disrupt this economic system, rather than sitting around pretending like change will come as long as we remain "peaceful" (or rather completely unoffensive, compliant, ineffective, and purely symbolic).

Bullshit 04.Nov.2011 13:52

Another Portland Anarchist

"What transpired during the march on Wednesday evening was quite a different affair all together: arms were linked under banners advocating for electoral reform, socialist alternatives, and the adoption of bitcoins; chants informed onlookers that, this, in fact, was what "democracy looked like."

I was at the front of the march caring an Anarchist Banner, we linked arms and physically pushed the police out of our way at the beginning of the protest. The gentlemen next to me, a vet, carried a sign that read "Dead Politicians, not Dead Soldiers". The vets carried Black Flags next to their Veteran Flags. "This is what democracy looks like" turned into many times, "This is what a Police State looks like", "We are the working class" and other radical chants. Didn't see many calling for electoral reform, now on the other hand I did see alot of Red and Black Flags. I actually brought 30 flags to this event and distributed all of them to the crowd.

Don't try to play this like it wasn't a radical event, it was. This is the most disingenuous post on a march I have ever seen by a comrade.

"All major targets of economic, political, and law enforcement were intentionally avoided, despite initial plans to march to these places of significance."

Being in the front, knowing the organizers and having worked with them personally in the past and during the event, you gotta understand that their was alot of chaos in the beginning and during the West side march. Because it is was intended to be a leaderless, non hierarchical march, people just stepped up to the plate randomly and called out where we should go. It was spontaneous.

"Regardless, comrades attempted to engage in minor acts of (unsuccessful) property damage and were met with violent retaliation, de-masking, and immediate scolding at the hands of the other participants in the march. In one case, a protestor was seen striking an black-clad individual with a flag attached to a metal pole, harshly reminding them that "we are peaceful protestors" (as a resident of Portland, OR, this even exceeds my stomach for the ironic)."

The Flags with the metal poles were made by me. Oh yes I saw some of the Bloc kicking over tires. Good job guys. Honestly what would property destruction achieve right now? The more appropriate tactic would have been the physical shutting down of the Financial and Political System i.e. occupation and expropriation.

"Similarly, our actions of 'escalation', as well as those who reclaimed a building in Oakland on saturday (who have also received a Statement of Condemnation), and various other comrades who have taken a similar approach, have received a comparable response from their respective Occupy movements."

What Escalation? Anarchists didn't escalate anything. It was the choice of the whole fucking crowd which took the bridge.

Now this is the worst fucking thing you could have said

"We want out. We want nothing to do with your 99%. Your political discourse that reduces societal power and privilege to the size of one's paycheck. Your adventures in chosen disempowerment and urban camping. Your progressive elevation of our target, the origin of 'injustice,' to levels of abstraction, far from our reach. Your ever-widening arms that welcome politicians, bankers, and cops without question. Your ever-weakening actions that have become nothing more than a tepid reshuffling of the deck of the status quo."

Jesus fucking Christ, cry me a river. I heard a saying from an Anarchist - Syndicalist Comrade, he said if the "Union isn't working, its because you aren't trying hard enough" - if you gotta problem with the actions of the working class, its because you aren't working hard enough to change it. The working class is not a homogenous group, they will never always think the same as you. Here's a piece of advice, get off your ass and do two things

1) Show by example how the "99" should be protesting. Commit acts of Property Destruction or whatever you like do. If it really works and you "get the goods" then the working class will start doing the same thing. If it doesn't then you know your tactic doesn't work.

2) Distribute Propaganda and go to General Assemblies. Start trying to encourage autonomy and direct action within the movement.

You say your an anarchist. I don't believe you... 04.Nov.2011 14:20

Ithinkyoureademocratinblackclothing

Genius! Making note right now, taking a bridge is a useful successful tactic and an escalation to boot.

Second note, Another Portland Democrat suggests shutting down the political and financial system, amazing! (you should have thought of that guys! i will highlight this note and remind you to shut down the political and financial system next march.)

Third note, but no property destruction (that's bad guys stop it kay? no really, if the liberals don't like it they wont play with us)

Fourth note, working class always emulates successful tactics and never takes up ineffectual tactics. (proof of note: we are in a workers utopia as we speak. Excellent!)

Wonderful... you have given me a direction in life. Hope and change, to you too :)

anok 04.Nov.2011 14:26

anon

You know the worst of it, major LEGITIMATE media outlets are calling for more radicalism. And we're not just talking the Guardian who are doing an excellent job of covering this event, but the Associated Press, hell, even my Yahoo News was running articles calling for Anarchist ideology to remain a central characteristic of this movement. Americans are cowards. You have the head of the Anglican church stepping down over the Church's cooperation with the state, you have marches in Egypt in solidarity where an American backed military is still repressing demonstrations brutally and violently, and liberals have the audacity to compare what they do to what people in Cairo do while supporting the same people who make sure that if an Egyptian citizen shows any dissenting opinion, no matter how peacefully, they get put down, fast. And they support it, they support it. You know why, cause liberals don't give a shit about Egyptians, like they don't give a shit about the environment, or anything else other than things that they'd heard in a Bob Dylan song. Self interest as always. Typical Americans. No wonder the rest of the world sneers at the American working man. White, narrow minded self interest. You have an Iraq War Vet in the hospital unable to speak, you have hundreds of thousands of dollars pouring in from little old ladies in Vermont who were robbed of their pensions. And liberals are in the middle of throwing it all away.

You have a cyber terrorist group that targets banks, pedophiles, drug cartels; who started this movement, they started it. Liberals stole this like their elected officials steal land from indigenous people in Southern Mexico. You have a corporate shill for a president, you have a mayor who is too cowardly to sanction a police force that has time and time again shown itself to be evil. You have no economy, you have no environment, you have no future. You have no future America. You have NO FUTURE.

Who'd be proud to be beaten like a dog so many times and still be willing to show up like a dancing bear. Hey Barack, when the Chase Bank people show up, can you say 'yes'm masta." We all know Liberals do. Jesus, no wonder George W. Bush kicked your ass for 8 years. Give it 4 more and it'll only get worse. And you know what, you deserve it. You deserve it. If this is where your character's at than you don't deserve to live in the land of plenty. Since you want to work with these people so badly, than fine, you can suffocate on the air, watch your children starve, let your dignity be broken a little more, every year, year in year out. Let the police beat and tase and shoot you for...whatever reason they decide to come up with. That's what you want, so be it. This didn't have to be a revolution, but did you have to sell out so quickly. It's been a month in a half, you've got to be kidding me. Have just a LITTLE balls.

No wonder minority groups mostly stayed away from this, they know who you're looking out for...you.

thank you for saying what needs to be said! 04.Nov.2011 14:30

sick of authoritarian leftists and peace police pacifists

I was there at the march too and was astounded by the way in which a handful of "progressives" and peace police pacifists independently decided to try and control the autonomous actions of others.

Instead of agreeing to disagree, some protesters at the demo were acting through incredibly controlling, authoritarian ways to make sure everything went to their liking: chiefly to maintain the status quo and remain totally ineffective.

I understand that some folks are afraid of the police; they have guns, and chemical weapons, and that scares me too! But that fear should not be imposed on others' attempts to take some initiative and struggle and fight back against this system. Property destruction is not violent, and blaming some for "provoking" the police is utter bullshit. It's not like the police really care if a bank is smashed up, and besides, that's no reason to attack and harm HUMAN BEINGS for such a petty and symbolic act of political expression.

If folks are afraid of police violence then I'd suggest it may be wise to prepare for it, or don't participate in a demo where a diversity of tactics has expressly been endorsed beforehand!

As an older radical with some experience, I was only there in the bloc to support the younger folks, to help keep them out of harms way in case the police decided to riot -- but I never thought I'd have to be protecting them from other protesters.

Simply because I was masked up and dressed in black to protect my privacy from the surveillance of the state (and from liberals too, apparently) I was confronted by someone marching behind me. They said to me: "I will do everything I can to stop you from doing whatever it is you came here to do." And I replied "if you touch me, you'll end up on the ground in a heartbeat."

Liberals: agree to disagree, or get the fuck out of the way. Stop acting like cops. When you attempt to control and manage you are replicating the grinding, daily authoritarianism and fascism imposed on us by this very violent, theocratic capitalist police state. We don't want to hate you, we actually want to work with you, but you're making it pretty damn hard for us to do so in good faith. We can't trust you, and you may as well get on the other side of that riot police line and help the PPD defend the institutions of capital from our rage.

We are the 1%, and you, the 99%, are proving yourselves to be the enemies of any real change. Unfuck your minds and get over your bourgeois tendencies. The cities of Europe are still smoldering from years of social upheaval, and it's only a matter of time before American cities go up in flames too.

Get on the right side of history, we've been waiting around for you long enough -- we're stronger together, but we can only take so much of your shallow self-serving political analysis and policing of our social movements. You don't have to join us, but stop attempting to control, publicly criticize, and restrain our desires. We're not taking your shit anymore.

But you look so sexy... 04.Nov.2011 15:06

Sympathetic

Bloc - you had a lot of allies at the march on Wednesday, including myself. If I had seen the altercation, I would have been standing beside you. Yes, there are snitches and hypocritical pacifists, but they were in the minority on Wednesday. And the web team and other self appointed leadership is a whole other issue. But don't paint us all with the same brush - look for those you can build affinity with - there were plenty at the march.

Written to a friend last night when I heard about the altercation at the march and the disagreements on having marshalls prior:

For me, the argument against marshals is one based on years of experience at protests - they work to stifle and restrain more radical voices and actions. While I also object to them in principle, I've seen first hand the conservative role they play in protest movements, and the possibilities that open up when they're not present.

If the argument is that the black bloc shouldn't have been there because they would alienate people, that should be rejected out of hand. I think the problem is that people associate the black bloc only with breaking windows. And of course, anyone who participates in a black bloc isn't going to reject property destruction as a legitimate tactic. But they are more than that - at their best they act as a deterrent against police aggression and open up spaces for more radical action. If we're saying they aren't welcome because it's bad PR, then I agree with the person who said their energies would be better directed elsewhere. Pretty hard to take militant action when you're fighting both the cops and people who are supposedly on the same side as you.

Mostly, I think the problem is a lack of trust. The "activist class" thinks that the bloc is just looking for an opportunity to fuck shit up, both figuratively and literally. And while I'm sure folks in the bloc would like to fuck shit up literally, I think they also don't want to alienate themselves and take actions that the rest of the people there aren't ready to support. The bloc thinks that the "activist class" is looking for the first opportunity to snitch them out and marginalize them. After last night, the police and mayor were already resorting to the "good" and "bad" protester language used to turn the moderates on the radicals. It's classic divide and conquer, effective mostly because it works to drive out the radicals, and leaves only those who adopt purely legal tactics. The key for the bloc is finding ways to radicalize people and empower them in ways that the inexperienced can support - baby steps. But the most important thing is that we have to keep upping the ante, and we should look to the bloc as allies in doing that. Complacency will be the death of this movement.

All kinds of wrong observations 04.Nov.2011 16:25

anarchist

This is a mischaractarization of the march, the overwhelming sentiment was radical solidarity for the general strike, with a few very vocal and pushy liberals. The condemnation post on the OP website is unfortunate and part of a consistent pattern of unilateral editorializing by certain members of the web team who do not speak for how most of the people in the camp feel. I would hope there is some discussion of removing this post in the GA tonight. I would also bring up that the whole point of a black bloc is anonimity, but if you only have 10-15 in a bloc you are being extremely conspicuous and the police end up tailing you the entire time, meaning you have no hope to achieve any of your goals, and the black clothing becomes nothing more than a fashion statement. It's also clear that you have not been involved in Occupy in any consistent way if you think it is run by liberals.

anok 04.Nov.2011 18:27

anon

We should also be aware of the fact that cops could be posting on here just to fuck with us. I realized that on the PPD Facebook a lot of the comments are posted by people who have open Facebook pages, but are essentially ghosts who have existed for years yet have no friends and no activities other than to post of the PPD Facebook page. I'm sure this is legitimate, a bit extreme, even if my comments above were a little doom and gloom. From what I gather from the march, if it had the people's support it was a success. There are problem's, obviously, just like there were problems and differences in ideology at the Oakland demo's from what I was gathering off of the Guardian. I don't think we can take one posting as a characterization of the march, but wait for all the facts to come in, and wait to see the people's reaction.

My comments above were doom and gloom, but in reality there should only be solidarity. Anarchists are just going to scare people and polarize the movement. What you want still isn't there yet. It's not. This is a movement of people with real feelings and connections, and like kids and a job...and shit. At the same time I still feel very strongly that in many regards, unless something has radically changed in the ideology in the last month in a half liberals are protesting a movement being supported by their own actions. There's an inherent lack of solidarity on both sides. This movement cannot dissipate. Liberals are too easily suckered into accepting moderate reform, if only the state condoning your actions, and anarchists don't have the character to push forward what they want. They don't have the experience, they don't have the communication skills, the tact. You both need to chill out and figure out how you can utilize this movement to your advantage and keep it alive and as radical as you can as long as possible. If you can't, there's no hope here.

This is the Spanish Civil War, and this is your United Democratic Front. Viva la republica.

Fuck the police, fuck the banks. We have common enemies. We need to be pushing for social reform. Even if it's short term, we need to build our character up. We need to stand in solidarity, if only to see where it leads.

a free 04.Nov.2011 18:58

creature

You say 'we' so I will say 'you' to refer to the 'we' you have self identified.

There were plenty of warnings that you were premature and that you would create division because you are not willing to see people for where they are. You create a circumstance with an inevitable outcome and then use that to feel superior and exclude yourself. But that is a lie because you had excluded yourself right from the start. This latest is just an excuse for your own fear and inability to work with others, your inability to have the vision and stamina to educate, to stand besides people you do not agree with and work together and help them to see some of the social deceptions you do see. This post and the outcome that birthed it was as predictable as Portland rain in the winter. It is just like all the previous 'statements' that you are done with others, that anyone who does not agree with you is just a clueless collaborator and so on. Yet you never go create something but always piggyback on the efforts of others because whether you admit it or not, you need 'us'. You always come back and hang around on the fringe, take some precipitous action for which there is no broader agreement and then complain when it does not work out well. You are the creator of that failure. And the same pattern keeps repeating. Please stop blaming others and look to your own self. You have something valuable, even critical to contribute. You are absolutely needed, but you cannot force it. You have to build it and that takes creativity and a steady determination. You have to be willing to bear the blind spots of people who do not yet have a solid socio-political understanding. And before you start feeling superior, see your own failings. Alienation and nihilism are the illness of society manifest in the individual. Impatience and the feeling of 'I want it now' are the result of this consumerist society. We are all shaped by the sickness of society and we have to see our way free of that so that we can become balanced sane individuals capable of creating and not just destroying.

I would add this. By distancing yourself from the start, you leave more room for the status quo in its various guises to have too much sway in the occupation. Personally, I have sorely missed having more radical voices in camp. If the camp ends up gone soon, don't you dare be smug when your hands and hearts and minds have been absent. For all its flaws this occupation camp is the most radical happening in Portland in a long time. Moreso by far than that march! You talk about solidarity but where is the solidarity of being at the occupation and putting in the time and work? You want to escalate something but are not at the camp to bear the brunt of that escalation! You demand something you are not giving yourself. Please think on these things.

Solidarity. Radicalize the liberals 04.Nov.2011 19:28

equalize equalizePDX@gmail.com

I am 'equalize'. I have been active in Occupy Portland all along. If you were at Jamison square, I'm sure you would recognize my face because I was right there with you going head to head with the cops all night until we re-occupied the square in triumph after the cops split.

You can also see my strong response to the "Statement of Condemnation Against Violence". (  http://occupyportland.org/2011/11/03/statement-condemnation/#comments ) I've been a long time lurker on portland indymedia and, have sometimes, been a moderately active poster. Always supportive of revolution and rebellion.

I am not an anarchist. If you need a label, I would say that I am more of an anti-authoritarian maoist. I like anarchists and think that, in practice and in action, they like and unite with me and me with them.

I was at the Wednesday march (until it moved off the bridge in SE, at which point I headed back to camp) and thought it was, from everything I saw, an excellent militant march. I was inspired. I did not see the liberals trying to stop the black blockers as described. But, I sure believe that it happened and it is an exposure of the ultimate hollowness of their ideology. As is their 'Condemnation'. And their passive resistance betrayal and lack of solidarity with the Main Street, Jamison and Terry Shrunk arrestees.

I want to see a successful movement that rips open the fabric of this society and moves us forward to revolution. I want to see the broad masses of people come forward in open rebellion and decide together in the enlightening turmoil of revolution how to reform society.

With that in mind I do not want to see this movement split at this early stage. I want to see the movement move forward and grow. I want to see most of the liberal activists in OP transform their liberal views and become radicalized through their experiences fighting for the success of the movement.

I understand the anger that burns and urges you to step out in provocative action. That anger burns in me too. But, does the anger burn in you strongly enough to think strategically and actually consider how your actions advance our cause? A revolutionary needs to beyond simple expressions of his rage to really consider what must be done to actually change the world.

I think that we need to help the liberals transform. We should be determined, militant and non-violent. We should stand for democratic principles that the liberals understand. Like the right to freely and peacefully assemble without compromise or constraint by the city, police or state. We do not need to provoke the police to attack us. They will do that without provocation when, by their calculation we are a sufficient threat.

Don't you believe that, for example, if we demand the right to hold any park in the city, including Terry Shrunk Plaza, without constraint of curfew, permits or other bullshit restrictions that:

1. The liberals will stand with us for that principle.
2. As we grow in solidarity and strength, the city will not fail to resort to open suppression.
?

Consider what that will do to the world view of the liberal activists.

Trashing property or performing provocative actions is no more of a strategy than non-violence. It is all tactics. Tactics are sometimes right and sometimes wrong, depending on whether they help or hinder the revolution.

I want to argue that our tactics, for now be aimed at educating the activist liberals and helping them to become radicalized through their experience trying to realize their sincere desire for a successful movement. We radicals, in this period, need to join hands with the activist liberals to aggressively claim the moral high ground. If we say to the liberals: "ok, lets test your view of the police. Lets take a militant and determined stand for our democratic rights, which you support and see how the police respond", then, when the police come back us and suppress all of us (occupy radicals and liberals together), the liberals will be educated and radicalized and we will move forward together to the next stage of our movement.

We need to make our case within the camp. Fight all undemocratic maneuvering by the liberals. Demand the acknowledgement of the truth that the radicals care at least as much about the success of this movement as the liberals. Continue to talk about the role of the police in this society and why they are not 'part of the 99%', and all of the other burning issues we face.

And, mostly fight for solidarity. Oppose and expose the liberals acts of betrayal and lack of solidarity when it manifests. And, show by our every action and statement that we too stand in solidarity and genuine desire for the success of this movement.

Response t "Ithinkyoureademocratinblackclothing" 04.Nov.2011 20:21

Another Anarchist

"Genius! Making note right now, taking a bridge is a useful successful tactic and an escalation to boot."

Hmm considering that it was forcefully taken, aganist the State's will, yes escalation.

"Second note, Another Portland Democrat suggests shutting down the political and financial system, amazing! (you should have thought of that guys! i will highlight this note and remind you to shut down the political and financial system next march.)"

I believe I said "occupation and expropriation" - taking over the means of production and putting it under the control of Unions, Workers' Councils, etc. More then shutting down the political and financial system. But wait a minute wasn't your definition of Democrats those wanting Electoral Reform? Someone fucked up.

"Third note, but no property destruction (that's bad guys stop it kay? no really, if the liberals don't like it they wont play with us)"

Good job comrade, you pushed over some tires at that protest. Want a break a window? I'll be waiting to give you a medal when you get out of jail.

There's much more you can be doing as Anarchist right now that will do more towards uniting the working class and getting them to think autonomously. I love to brawl and all, but its detrimental right now towards the movement for anarchist society.

"Fourth note, working class always emulates successful tactics and never takes up ineffectual tactics. (proof of note: we are in a workers utopia as we speak. Excellent!)"

Hmm never said that stupid, "if you gotta problem with the actions of the working class, its because you aren't working hard enough to change it. The working class is not a homogenous group, they will never always think the same as you. "

I said the working class may have different tactics then you and shouldn't cry like a baby when they don't struggle your way. Gotta problem with it, work to change it, don't leave it stranded.