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10 Years Since 9/11 Inside Job

September 11, 2011 is the 10th anniversary of the 9/11 Inside Job, the American Reichstag Fire, perpetrated for the same reason the Nazis burned their government building, the Reichstag: to perpetrate war and fascism so as to maximize profits for the capitalist class, the primary goal of capitalism, the greatest profits being in oil and munitions. Only a labor movement capable of carrying out a general strike can finally put an end to the private profit system, thereby saving the earth and humanity.
September 11, 2011 is the 10th anniversary of the 9/11 Inside Job, the American Reichstag Fire, perpetrated for the same reason the Nazis burned their government building, the Reichstag: to perpetrate war and fascism so as to maximize profits for the capitalist class, the primary goal of capitalism, the greatest profits being in oil and munitions. Only a labor movement capable of carrying out a general strike can finally put an end to the private profit system, thereby saving the earth and humanity.

As we saw it happen on our TV screens, we saw NO AIR DEFENSE. That can only mean it was an INSIDE JOB. If you need more, we also saw CONTROLLED DEMOLITION of the Twin Towers and Building 7, and Building 7 was not hit by any plane, and it fell some 7 hours after the Twin Towers, at 5:20 p.m., also in its own footprint in less than 10 seconds, no resistance, in small enough pieces to be carted away immediately, which it was, thus illegally removing the evidence from the crime scene. The same happened with the Twin Towers. Thermate, a military explosive substance, was found in the dust. Many witnesses heard bombs exploding throughout the 3 buildings, especially in the many basements. Fire cannot cause steelframe buildings to collapse. The planes were built to withstand planes hitting them. The buildings were closed many times before 9/11/01 on the pretext of fixing wiring, which is when the demolition explosives were set. In charge of security were Pres Bush's brother and cousin. There were no hijackers on the planes; the planes were on remote control guided by the US military. 9 of the so-called hijackers were alive on Sept 12, 2011. Osama bin Laden, a long-time CIA agent on a kidney dialysis machine in 2001, was the prearranged fall guy, and he died in December 2001. The phone calls allegedly made from these planes were all staged; when you call your mother, you do not give your full name, as one person allegedly did as your mother knows your voice with any syllable you utter.

As to the Pentagon, it was hit by explosives and possibly either a missile or a small military plane on the side of the Pentagon that had undergone construction and which housed bookkeepers about to reveal the enormous till-tapping taking place, the stealing of our tax dollars for blood for oil wars. No plane landed in the hole in the ground in Pennsylvania as there were no bodies there said the coroner. The plane alleged to have crashed there landed safely at a Cleveland airport. The 9/11 Inside Job was perpetrated by the US military, under the direction of Bush, Cheney, Rumsfeld, Rice and Giuliani at the behest of the ruling capitalist class whom they, and their Democratic Party political twins, represent. It was a pretext for war, a false flag operation, just as the Gulf of Tonkin incident of 1964 was a LIE, a PRETEXT FOR WAR, and the US government has admitted the Gulf of Tonkin incident was a LIE, that cost the lives of 3 million Vietnamese, 1 million Cambodians, 58,000 Americans and thousands of other people, all to maximize the profits of the war machine.

The military-industrial complex was faced with the loss of their profiteering racket with the demise of the Soviet Union in 1991, not having anymore communist bogeyman as an excuse for stealing from the public treasury to enrich the capitalist class. So, 10 years later, on 9/11/2001, they carried out this long-planned military operation to perpetrate war and fascism. The profits from the oil in Iraq, the Caspian Sea near Afghanistan, Libya, and everywhere else in the world, is the motive. ONLY THE US GOVERNMENT HAD THE MOTIVE, MEANS AND OPPORTUNITY TO CARRY OUT THE 9/11 INSIDE JOB. Only the US government and the capitalist class which it represents benefited.

At home, in addition to the deliberate destruction of the sectors of the economy which does not serve the interests of the war machine, the ruling class is perpetrating fascism everywhere including at the airports were rapists and child molesters sexually attack women and children; military checkpoints and sexual attacks on people by government agents are now at stadiums, school dances, on highways, trains and buses, hotels, shopping malls.

In October 2001, Congress passed a fascist "Patriot" Act without reading the 342 pages, the length clearly indicating that this Act was written years before the 9/11 Inside Job. Every single congressperson who voted for it should be recalled immediately.

The pretext is the CIA fiction called Al Qaeda; the reality is that the ruling class is trying to stop a labor movement which must be built quickly to put an end to this madness. Our entire society is being destroyed by the ruling capitalist class, who apparently have so little concern for the planet on which they live too that they are poisoning the earth with nuclear power and weapons, so-called depleted uranium, white phosphorous and all other chemicals they use for war to maximize their profits. Our school system is being deliberately destroyed and militarized by Democrats and Republicans together. Only socialists and Green Party candidates are worth your vote.

The 9/11 Inside Job is a good example of why you must always assume the government is lying until proven otherwise. Any basic criminal investigation demonstrates that 9/11 was an Inside Job. So too does the work of the Architects, Scientists and Engineers for 9/11 Truth. The government's conspiracy theory is obviously a fraud, as the many DVDs, websites and books below verify. All variations of the government's lie, such as blowback, revenge, letting it happen and the like are simply retelling of the government's lie. The capitalist class is incapable of telling the truth or serving the public good. No millionaire can represent the 80% of us who sell our labor for less than $77,000 a year, and the Democrats and Republicans Parties only represent the millionaires. The US Congress is made up of mostly millionaires, the leading presidential candidates of both parties are millionaires, and both parties are paid for by the same capitalist corporations to maximize their profits, the primary goal and law of capitalism, a bankrupt social order.

The scapegoating of Arabs and Muslims by the US capitalist class is the same as the scapegoating of Jews by the Nazis. The Nazis stated at Nuremberg that they got many of their fascist ideas from the United States. The USA is of course a country built with the genocide of Native Americans, enslavement of Africans, and the exploitation of the labor of people of all colors, including child labor. There is no American Dream; everything labor has, labor fought for.

For all these details and much more, please view and read the following:

DVD that is a Must See at  http://loosechange911.com/
and  http://www.loosechange911.com/loose-change-911-an-american-coup/

 http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8n-nT-luFIw

San Francisco Bay Area site that combines the economy with 9/11 Truth:
 http://truthphalanx.com/
 http://truthphalanx.com/tod_fletcher/

 http://www.brasschecktv.com/
 http://www.brasschecktv.com/videos/the-911-files (The 9/11 Files)
 http://www.brasschecktv.com/page/664.html
 http://www.brasschecktv.com/page/88.html

 http://noliesradio.org/ which has announcement and picture of Building 7 just before controlled demolition although not hit by any plane and a picture of Dr. Steven Jones, a physics expert, who found thermate, a military incendiary substance, in the dust of the demolished World Trade Center):
 http://noliesradio.org/archives/category/911
Every Weekday - 1 hour - at 3pm Pacific * 6pm Eastern * 22:00 GMT
9/11 Teach-in
Don't Miss our Sunday - 911 Teach-in Marathon - 5 hours every Sunday
9am Pacific * 12 noon Eastern * 16:00 GMT - Sunday.
a compilation of all 5 previous weekday shows.

 http://www.kpfa.org/guns-and-butter,
heard at 94.1 FM, KPFA, Berkeley, CA Wednesdays at 1 p.m. and on WBAI, New York, 99.5 FM, Fridays at 9 a.m. and online at:
 http://www.gunsandbutter.org/

 http://sjlendman.blogspot.com/

 http://www.liveleak.com/view?i=49f_1172526096

 http://portland.indymedia.org/en/topic/911investigation/

 http://www.globalresearch.ca/
 http://www.globalresearch.ca/index.php?context=va&aid=24721
 http://www.globalresearch.ca/index.php?context=theme&themeId=18
 http://www.globalresearch.ca/index.php?context=va&aid=21436
 http://www.globalresearch.ca/index.php?context=va&aid=21907
 http://globalresearch.ca/index.php?context=va&aid=15601 (Griffin: Bin Laden died Dec 2001)
 http://www.globalresearch.ca/index.php?context=va&aid=24622 (Dr. Pieczenik: Bin Laden died Dec 2001 of marfan syndrome, genetic disease that shortens life span.)
 link to 911blogger.com (DNA sample not possible in time frame given.)
 http://www.globalresearch.ca/index.php?context=va&aid=25898
(Roberts, 8/4/11: The Mysterious Death of OBL: Creating Evidence Where There Is None)
 http://www.globalresearch.ca/index.php?context=va&aid=25923

 link to www.prisonplanet.com

 http://www.communitycurrency.org/9-11.html
 http://www.communitycurrency.org/filmfestival2011.html

 http://www.public-action.com/911/robotplane.html

 http://www.ic911studies.org/

 http://rememberbuilding7.org/
 http://rememberbuilding7.org/7-facts-about-building-7/
 http://rememberbuilding7.org/free-fall-collapse/
 http://rememberbuilding7.org/sulfidated-steel/
 http://rememberbuilding7.org/explosive-residues/
 http://rememberbuilding7.org/eyewitnesses/
 http://rememberbuilding7.org/foreknowledge/
 http://rememberbuilding7.org/destruction-of-evidence/

 link to www.examiner.com

 http://truthandshadows.wordpress.com/
 link to truthandshadows.wordpress.com
 link to truthandshadows.wordpress.com
 https://truthandshadows.wordpress.com/2010/12/30/clinton-prosecutor-told-by-fbi-about-details-of-911-attacks-months-in-advance/
 http://willyloman.wordpress.com/2008/12/21/text-of-the-april-gallop-lawsuit/
 link to truthandshadows.wordpress.com
(Fiction Film on Bin Laden "death" appearing 1 month before 2012 presidential election-further proof that it was a campaign publicity stunt to boost a failed presidency.)

Go to Socialist Viewpoint at
 http://www.socialistviewpoint.org/
for videos and articles on the 9/11 Truth Movement including, in Volume 9, No. 3, May-June 2009, "Exotic High Tech Explosives Positively Identified in World Trade Center Dust" by Editor, Architects & Engineers for 9/11 Truth, which also has this article at:
 http://www.ae911truth.org/info/51 based on a scientific article at
 http://www.benthamscience.com/open/tocpj/articles/V002/7TOCPJ.htm
by Niels H. Harris, Jeffrey Farrer, Steven E. Jones, Kevin R. Ryan, Frank M. Legge, Daniel Farnsworth, Gregg Roberts, James R. Gourley, Bradley R. Larsen.
See also:

 http://davidraygriffin.com/
 http://911speakout.org/
 http://911speakout.org/?page_id=222 (physics tutorial)
 http://www.ultruth.com/Kevin_Ryan.htm
 http://www.journalof911studies.com/
 http://www.911truth.org/
 http://www.ae911truth.org/ (architects & engineers)
 http://stj911.org/blog/ (Scholars for 9/11 Truth & Justice)
 http://911scholars.org/
 http://www.sf911truth.org/
 http://firefightersfor911truth.org/
 http://www.historycommons.org/project.jsp?project=911_project (911 timeline)
 http://wtc7.net/
 http://v911t.org/ Veterans
 http://mediafor911truth.org/supporters/
 http://lawyersfor911truth.blogspot.com/
 http://911summary.com/legal.php
 http://mp911truth.org/ Medical Professionals
 http://pilotsfor911truth.org/core.html

 http://911research.wtc7.net/
 http://911research.wtc7.net/wtc/evidence/gold.html

 http://tvnewslies.org/tvnl/index.php/911-facts.html

READ ALL OF THE FOLLOWING BOOKS:
1.Crossing the Rubicon by Michael Ruppert
2.9/11 Facing Our Fascist State by Don Paul (Excellent research all done in 2001-2002; obviously an Inside Job from the beginning. The evidence is in this book.)
3.Waking Up From Our Nightmare by Don Paul and Jim Hoffman (Good color photos & research)
4.Cognitive Infiltration by David Griffin (2010) (The title is an insidious phrase promoted by an alleged lawyer appointee of Barack Obama, Cass Sunstein, promoting an illegal activity, joining and disrupting 9/11 Truth Movement organizations instead of open debate, providing evidence for the government's conspiracy theory, which does not exist. Sunstein-Obama are openly promoting fascism. This book does reiterate all the evidence for the 9/11 Truth Movement in 156 pages plus 477 footnotes.)
5.The Mysterious Collapse of World Trade Center 7 by David Griffin (2009)
6.Osama bin Laden: Dead or Alive? by David Griffin (2009) (Bin laden died in Dec 2001). See also  http://globalresearch.ca/index.php?context=va&aid=15601
7.New Pearl Harbor Revisited by David Griffin (2008)
8.The Hidden History of 9/11, ed by Paul Zarembka (2008), articles by David Griffin, Jay Kolar, Zarembka, Don Trent Jacobs, Nafez Ahmed, David MacGregor, Bryan Sacks, Diana Ralph, with Appendix by Bertrand Russell: 16 Questions on the JFK Assassination (teaches how to investigate a crime)
9.The 9/11 Conspiracy, edited James Fetzer (2007), articles by John Austin, David Griffin, James Fetzer, Jack White, Judy Wood, Joseph Firmage, Morgan Reynolds, Rick Rajter, Elias Davidsson, Peter Dale Scott, John McMurty plus excellent photos
10. 9/11 Contradictions by David Griffin (2008)
11. The 9/11 Commission Report: Omissions & Distortions by David Griffin
12. The New Pearl Harbor by David Griffin
13. Debunking 9/11 Debunking by David Griffin
14.Painful Questions by Eric Hufschmid
15. The Iron Triangle (on the Carlyle Group) by Dan Briody
16. 9/11 Revealed: The Unanswered Questions by Rowland Morgan & Ian Henshall
17. 9/11 Synthetic Terror: Made in USA by Webster Tarpley
18. Body of Secrets by James Bamford (Good on Operation Northwoods)
19. The War on Truth by Nafeez Mossadeq Ahmed
20. Towers of Deception by Barrie Zwicker (with DVD enclosed)
21. 9/11 and American Empire edited by David Ray Griffin and Peter Dale Scott
22. Flight 93 Revealed by Ian Henshall and Rowland Morgan
23.The Terror Timeline by Paul Thompson
24.Welcome to Terrorland: Mohammed Atta & the 9/11 Coverup in Florida by Daniel Hopsicker
25.The Big Wedding: 9/11, The Whistleblowers and The Coverup by Sander Hicks
26.The Terror Conspiracy by Jim Marrs
27.Inside Job by Jim Marrs
28.Forbidden Truth by Jean-Charles Brisard & Guillaume Dasquie
29.Pentagate by Thierry Meyssan
30.9/11: The Big Lie by Thierry Meyssan

more fruits nuts and flakes 10.Sep.2011 22:09

god help us

you wrote "the scapegoating of Arabs and Muslims by the US capitalist class is the same as the scapegoating of Jews by the Nazis."

funny thing? many of the links you include are people and organizations friendly with anti-semites which a reader assumes you don't support. also scapegoating middle easterners is mainly a right wing republican/libertarian cult whackjob phenomena, coincidentally where most of the other links go if not just batshit lunacy looks like the "truth" cult is out in force for the 11th. joy

9/11 inside job Inc. Is a thriving business 11.Sep.2011 07:55

justsomedude

seems someone will sell you what ever you want to hear.

Just wondering... 11.Sep.2011 08:44

Converse Murdoch

Did anybody make any money selling 911 as an outside job ?

An explanation 11.Sep.2011 10:12

James Rehnquist

"War on Terror" Explained

The Conspiracy

Every class which successively has seized power has sought to safeguard its position of mastery by imposing on society conditions calculated to ensure it its own revenue. 1

The Civil War rise-to-power of burgeoning industrial and finance capital put an end to American slavery, the basis of the Southern economy. But the conditions imposed by the new masters remained of a kind ... "which says 'You toil and work and earn bread—and I'll eat it, no matter in what shape it comes." 2

The Profit Complex

Today, with the nation's public sector all but dismantled, unions repressed or co-opted, and average CEO pay topping 400 times workers' wages, the American corporate welfare state has surpassed even the robber barons of the Gilded Age for brazenness.

Distractions

As even a petty thief knows, when you're picking pockets, you have to create a distraction. Or if necessary, as the extortionist knows, you use fear and violence. A nation of Oliver Twists in the American workhouse musn't ask for 'more.'

Gone with the 20th century were the old ideologies—or gimmicks—used to distract the toiling masses from the snatching of the fruits of their labor:

Religion—Pie in the sky when you die
The Protestant work ethic—Duty
McCarthyite "threat from within" 50s-purge phobia
Cold War bomb terror through the 60s: 'duck and cover'
War on Drugs
Terrorism: 1980s prototype

Psychological Repression Failing

By 1999, the internet had shaken the old institutions of non-violent, psychological pacification, already getting creaky with age—fingers on the invisible hand of the profit complex, like Mass Media/Entertainment or 'The Show,' which...

..destroys any collective form of sociality (politics) and at the same time imposes a new mass sociality (passiveness), a new uniformity of action and thought (received opinion);3

Relentlessly at war with intellect and ideas, The Show substitutes in their place sensation and sentimentality, frantically yanking and pushing our buttons to keep us feeling instead of thinking :

A sentimental reason for everything that happens must be found because the truth [the class war] always has to be hidden... 4

The Show also dishes out repressive symbolic violence on TV whose 'you are vulnerable' effect is reinforced by real violence—gun violence. It ingrains the lessons of the sports cult: competition, not solidarity; individual sacrifice for 'the team'; training for 'irrational jingoism'; 5

Indoctrination

We should have the emotions desired by our rulers and the chief business of education would be to produce the desired disposition—no longer by punishment or moral precept but by the far surer method of repetition, in varied forms of instruction and entertainment, of the ideology that conformity (the glue that makes it all hang together) is success [full-throttle work, consumerism--forking it over again at the company store]—non-conformity is the shameful mark of failure. 6

The Truth Will Out

Despite all the manic control apparatuses, the truth will out. The unrestrained growth of corporate titans, according to the US informal imperialist model, became international under the Marshall Plan, whereby sovereignty was gradually usurped from nation-states to remove democratic constraints on capital accumulation or on access to world markets/resources. Later, the institutions of an imposed prototype of the New World Order for global government, such as the WTO, World Court, WHO, IMF, World Bank, etc appeared, globalizing the corporate usurpation of national sovereignty. In 1999, world citizens find themselves voiceless, lie-fed, in the firm exploitative grip of a global Leviathan.

The aggressiveness of the class war at home and abroad—with 'globalization' exporting the ravages of the American way—finally provoked a backlash. WTO globalizers were met worldwide with protests in a political awakening manifest in the US in the 1999 Seattle protests. By August 2001 the new zeitgeist was sometimes cautiously reflected in mainstream media. Even Fortune magazine broached the previously taboo subject with a cover on 'The Corporate Elite.'

Compared to the much-lamented, in elite circles, 1960s war/minority rights protests, the new protests were even more lucid, with placard slogans like 'No Corporate Tyranny' challenging unaccountable private (corporate) power itself.


Naked Masters

With the effects of the internet and the fall of the iron curtain, the new masters suddenly found themselves quite naked: like Oz's old man at the levers, their voracious machinations were suddenly, dangerously exposed to public view.

Crisis/Response

The 'great beast,' the once inert public, now antagonized, was beginning to stir and to focus. There was a crisis—the threat of a lucid, mass demand for democracy and economic justice, despite the longstanding pressure of the de facto social and cultural engineering designed to prevent it.

Force as Justice

With the veil of anti-communism gone, the old organs of repression weakened, and unprecedented popular demonstrations against the economic order itself, harsher measures would be required, together with a new pretext. According to propaganda technique, the bigger the lie, the better—"Assimilation of gigantic lies destroys people's ability to think," 7 rendering them helpless.

Governments have become more conscious of their increasing power (with monopoly mass communication) and more ruthless in its exercise, with distortion, fabrication and embargo of information; and where that fails, the old use of fear and violence—both symbolic and real. An efficient principle of order—the justice of force. 8

'War on Terror'

Like on a chessboard, no moves in the Great Game have a single purpose or effect, and violent repression would be only the domestic component of a regression from postwar informal imperialism to the genuine article, launched in the style of the Nazi's Reichstag fire—a treacherous attack, as casus belli.

Repression at home. Adventure abroad

The hammer came down first on the American public itself—historic violence, not used domestically since Civil War days (by Republicans). It was a slow-motion, fascist coup d'etat that would put the reactionary program in place, within a year of Seattle. It began with the 2000 election theft, and culminated spectacularly— like a 70's Hollywood disaster film—on 9/11, with a purge at the Pentagon ('under renovation'), followed by a 'warning shot' bioweapons attack on the opposition, in Congress and in the media. The 'bloody shirt' would be continually waved as the crusading Republicans' war banner, with Muslims taking the place of Europe's Jews in the former war on 'Bolshevik terror', launched to "save" Europe from Socialism in WWII [a war in which the US played a "double game", first sponsoring the Nazis and then entering the war against them after the tide had turned, to prevent the Soviets from taking all of Europe.]

As Z. Brzezinski had said in his enlightening and sadly prophetic book of 1998, The Grand Chessboard, it would take "a new Pearl Harbor" to launch abroad the 'strategically imperative' series of wars 'necessary' to further project American power onto the giant eurasian continent, before the window of opportunity for a "New American Century" should close there, with Russian recovery and the rise of China.

State terror, long in use abroad, was again being resorted to at home, as in 1963 and 1968, but this time with permanent destruction of the national artifacts of a democratic tradition.

Brasilianization of the USA

We needn't look far—only to the recent history of our 'client state' neighbors in Latin America—to see just how savage this 'civilization' can get (--from the towers of power, people below look like ants). A year after September 11, it's all fear and violence with more promised ('Not if, but when')—the Brazilianization of the United States.

The corrective of civil disobedience since the world began has been military discipline, war and blood-letting. ..There is no way in which people differ, however minutely, that does not supply material for a war.

There is a conflict between the imperialist need for war and the pacific nature of Man, when not trained or organized as a fighting machine. By themselves people are averse to fighting—it demands too much energy—and, betrayed momentarily by the collapse of group-think—object very strongly to dying. That is a law of nature. The ruler who bases his actions on the stability of this Artificial Man of received ideas constantly risks failure.

... We are all under the spell of the money-magicians. Intolerance, militancy-to-order, savage partisanship imposed on you on every possible subject...Everything is done to make people wish to be animals rather than men.

War-mongering

..Defense (Security) impregnates and colors everything—the shape of our minds... with life as a military problem conditioned by other states, and spent in watchfulness, armed to the teeth. A Sparta—a convict settlement: Plato's Republic. Its purpose: collective training for the slaughter of other men. 9


1 Karl Marx, Das Kapital
2 Abe Lincoln--address
3 Chomsky -Manufacturing Consent
4 Wyndham Lewis, Art of Being Ruled, ca. 1930s
5 Chomsky -Manufacturing Consent, video
6 Bertrand Russell, The Impact of Science on Society
7 Wyndham Lewis, Art of Being Ruled
8 Ibid
9 Ibid
Doing Time
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ha ha 11.Sep.2011 12:12

ha ha

You know the scary thing, you still constitute a third of the population. We are soooo fucked.

THIS IS NOT A COMIC BOOK. THIS IS REAL LIFE.

Do you really think of yourself as decoding some grand secret. Sitting around tucked in late night hours, a cup of Joe, nothing to do, working yourself up, searching the walls for bugs, the X-Files theme going through your head.

Jesus, like we don't have enough fucking problems. The world doesn't revolve around you, your government doesn't give a shit about you, you're just a fucking nut case to them. Not important, just a putz. Nobody. Not even a glich on their radar.

THIS IS NOT A COMIC BOOK. THIS IS REAL LIFE. (ha ha) 11.Sep.2011 17:55

that's exactly it

" Jesus, like we don't have enough fucking problems. "

so, you are a Jesus follower ? (Talk about problems... )

about "not even being on radar" you hit the nail on the head "ha ha" :

--> your government doesn't give a shit about you

and it doesn't matter whether you're a "nut case" , charity case, basket case or any other kind of case.

"your government" is actually a wholly-owned subsidiary of corporate capitalists who could give two shits about human life or planet Earth.

and the great hoax of 9/11 is just one more way you're (in George Carlin's words) "getting that big red-white-and-blue &*ick jammed up your ass."

yeah that especially means you too, "ha ha".

The fact that there are,,,, 11.Sep.2011 19:28

Lloyd Hart dadapop@dadapop.com

people trying to counter us 911 Truthers here on the fringe instead of just ignoring us, is evidence in it self of the insecurity the these 911 truth debunkers feel in their position that the official story of 911 is acceptable. It matters not what they say about us, our side , the 911 Truthers, just keeps on growing. We work with hard fact evidence when these so-called debunkers do is name call and dismiss us as insane.

 http://www.ae911truth.org/

one thing about "911 truth" 11.Sep.2011 20:01

&

whether or not you think it's a 'group' or 'movement' (or even whether you "consider" yourself to be "part of it" or not)

is that it is nonpartisan political (not from any particular "left"/"right" paradigm) and also (unlike for example Global Warming Deniers) is not funded by major corporate/oil/industrial interests.

and as Lloyd mentioned it's constantly growing.

" and as Lloyd mentioned it's constantly growing. " 13.Sep.2011 17:51

aguy

HAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA

Good one...best laugh all day!

" Good one...best laugh all day! " 13.Sep.2011 18:42

you're

talking about the Hooters video on the other thread ?