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The EV Moral High Ground

Petrolvees derive their power from the Underworld, while EVs reach for the sky.
At the heart of every Petrolvee lies the Internal Combustion Engine's Combustion Chamber: searing heat, explosive pressures, and deafening roars... ..truly Hell on Earth.

Petrolvees must be removed from the roads and Nature's Sacred Spaces.

Who will help to end their Reign of Ruin???

The humble bicycle 25.Apr.2011 14:49

Exile portlander_in_exile@yahoo.com

EV transportation is still not a viable solution for transportation. Batteries and systems derived often from conflict minerals, or only available from questionable suppliers are not an answer to the petroleum problem. It also fails to address the real problem. The real problem, is driving.

What will it cost to replace an entire vehicle's battery pack, once it's depleted? LiPoli batteries have an average lifespan of about three years, and then require replacement, at enormous expense.

There are only three viable solutions to the problem of mobility on land. First, walking, second, bicycling, and third, electrified rail. Those are it. Pushing for anything less than that is just delaying the inevitable. End suburbia, save civilization.

Rebuttal 26.Apr.2011 08:13

EV Revolutionary

"EV transportation is still not a viable solution for transportation."

Thats not a statement of fact.

More and more individuals and organizations are going EV. It does not have to work for 100% of the people anymore than bicycles do. This from someone who has been riding bikes a lot longer than driving EVs. Moreover, EVs are not limited to electric cars but are inclusive of electric bicycles.

BTW, you've raised these issues long ago and they were addressed then. Added to this now is your mention of LIpo, that's now an older battery chemistry, times have changed, and for example, one can expect several years from their newer-chem Nissan Leaf batteries and still have a high % original capacity left. Moreover they are thoroughly warrantied and they don't just drop to zero all of a sudden but gradually diminish in capacity. And once removed from the vehicle will likely be used in stationary power applications and will not be heading to the landfill.


"It also fails to address the real problem. The real problem, is driving."
No this incorrect. Driving is a problem only under certain conditions. Those conditions are inclusive of too many drivers and vehicles, vehicles with poor attributes such as oversized passenger vehicles, and the wrong propulsion system.

Conflict materials and supplier concerns have been addressed elsewhere in the public domain and are not good arguments against moving forward.

"There are only three viable solutions to the problem of mobility on land. First, walking, second, bicycling, and third, electrified rail."
No this is incorrect.

Induced demand, and social engineering 26.Apr.2011 11:10

Exile portlander_in_exile@yahoo.com

None of the previous statements have been refuted in previous discussions. I've heard talk of "future advancements", but the truth is, that batteries wear out, are very expensive, somewhat toxic, and only partially recyclable. The materials these systems are made from, are currently sourced from China, and parts of south America. China has limited exports of many of these materials already.

Also, Battery transport, still does nothing to address the other crimes of automobiles. The dehumanization of society, suburban sprawl, the destruction of farmland, the carnage of the roads, loss of natural spaces and the lack of walkable cities. Streets should be for people, so don't perpetuate the crimes of the automobile.

Rebuttal 27.Apr.2011 08:28

EV Revolutionary

"None of the previous statements have been refuted in previous discussions."
Precise words used were different but similar topics.

"I've heard talk of "future advancements", but the truth is, that batteries wear out, are very expensive, somewhat toxic, and only partially recyclable."
Everything wears out eventually. Paint and chrome on some bikes is somewhat toxic. Batteries are close to 100% recyclable. Nothing known is perfect.

"Also, Battery transport, still does nothing to address the other crimes of automobiles."
Its one solution working together in partnership with others.

Streets should be for people, so don't perpetuate the crimes of the automobile."
No this is a misunderstanding that remains despite having been addressed long ago. The goal is to wind down car culture. Moreover EV <> Automobile.

info on EV 27.Apr.2011 08:39

request

Where can Indymedia readers learn more about EV?

Im sure a Google search will show some links but,

I was wondering if there were any suggested sites that are recomended?

Thanks

Info on EV 27.Apr.2011 10:41

EV Revolutionary

Indymedia Readers might enjoy Endless Sphere:  http://endless-sphere.com/forums/

And local to Portland is the OEVA: www.oeva.org

Ecospeed might also be of interest: www.ecospeed.com

At least thats a start!

sweet 27.Apr.2011 20:56

request

thanks ;-)