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Anti-fascists Expose Neo-Nazis in the Oregon Black Metal Scene

On September 2 to September 5, the white supremacist organization Volksfront International held their "Althing" gathering on private land in Missouri, at the "Samuel Weaver Memorial Hall" approximately an hour outside of St. Louis. Rose City Antifascists noted with interest that one of the musical acts billed for Volksfront's gathering was the Oregon "National Socialist Black Metal" (NSBM) band Immortal Pride. Immortal Pride is part of a network of racist musical acts allied to Blood & Honour American Division, which is in turn largely guided by Volksfront. This is the first time that Immortal Pride has played a major neo-Nazi gathering. In recognition of this development, Rose City Antifascists wish to draw attention to the main forces in the neo-Nazi black metal underground in Oregon today, with the hope that they can be countered from both within and without the metal scene.
Volksfront
Volksfront "Althing" flyer
Immortal Pride
Immortal Pride
Immortal Pride with Kyle McCoy
Immortal Pride with Kyle McCoy
Justin Endicott
Justin Endicott
Gregory Lehr, Jr.
Gregory Lehr, Jr.
Paul Aaron Bonnen
Paul Aaron Bonnen
Fanisk album cover
Fanisk album cover
Fanisk
Fanisk
William Arthur McDonald II
William Arthur McDonald II
Charles T. See
Charles T. See

On September 2 to September 5, the white supremacist organization Volksfront International held their "Althing" gathering on private land in Missouri, at the "Samuel Weaver Memorial Hall" approximately an hour outside of St. Louis. The Althing is Volksfront's main North American gathering, the name "Althing" deriving from the national assembly of Viking times (it is also the name of the current Icelandic parliament.) The Missouri event included not just members and "official supporters" of Volksfront, but also participants in Blood & Honour American Division, the American Front, and White Revolution, all of which are closely aligned to Volksfront. Among the speakers billed for this year's gathering were Canadian neo-Nazi leader Paul Fromm, as well as Billy Roper, head of White Revolution, who regularly speaks at Volksfront events.

Volksfront was founded in 1994 within the Oregon prison system, but now organizes in several other regions in North America, and has also spread to other continents, with divisions in Europe and Australia. Volksfront also remains the dominant neo-Nazi organization in Oregon. The organization has a long history of violence in the Northwest, including the 2003 murder of Mark Randall Townsend, a homeless man in Tacoma, Washington, by the leader of a probationary Volksfront unit and his associates.

Rose City Antifascists noted with interest that one of the musical acts billed for Volksfront's gathering was the Oregon "National Socialist Black Metal" (NSBM) band Immortal Pride. Immortal Pride is part of a network of racist musical acts allied to Blood & Honour American Division, which is in turn largely guided by Volksfront. This is the first time that Immortal Pride has played a major neo-Nazi gathering. In recognition of this development, Rose City Antifascists wish to draw attention to the main forces in the neo-Nazi black metal underground in Oregon today, with the hope that they can be countered from both within and without the metal scene. In doing this, we also wish to counter the idea that neo-Nazis only exist in the bonehead/racist "skinhead" scene. Other subcultural settings are also being contested ideologically, a reality that we ignore at our own risk.

Black Metal and the Emergence of NSBM

Black metal is a sub-genre of extreme metal that is rooted in the 1980s recordings of such projects as Venom, Hellhammer and Bathory, and is characterized by dark and brooding atmospheres as well as an emphasis on mood above technical mastery. Some typical black metal themes are evil, nihilism and misanthropy. Much early black metal contains Satanic content, expressed to various degrees of sincerity by the artists, but Bathory evolved to be an early example of a project endorsing Norse paganism within its lyrics.

A second wave of black metal came to prominence in the early 1990s, especially centering on a Norwegian scene that became notorious for suicide, murder and church arsons as much as for the recordings of its artists. During the mid-1990s, the black metal scene attracted much media attention as a result of the Norwegian happenings, and the black metal subculture mushroomed as a result. Yet this rapid growth also led to an internal crisis, due to a proliferation of artists who were seen as insincere and second-rate, as well as increased commercialization and seeming watering-down of a genre that had earlier bragged of its extremism. The struggle for authenticity within the subculture--a concept that had become linked to extreme stances--led a portion of black metal participants to gravitate towards increasingly rigid ideological positions, one of which was neo-Nazism. The sub-subgenre of NSBM, or National Socialist Black Metal, emerged partly as a result of this dynamic, but was also partly due to the promotion of the genre by elements within the ultra-Right who saw the potential for the scene to provide a new pool of recruits and activists.

Kristian "Varg" Vikernes, an important figure in the 1990s wave of Norwegian black metal who released solo albums under the name of Burzum, became especially important in establishing an ideologically racist and extreme-Right tendency within black metal, through the white power and anti-Semitic pronouncements he issued while imprisoned for the murder of a rival black metal figurehead. (Vikernes was also convicted of arson and illegal weapons charges, and had claimed that he had intended to use the stockpile of explosives he was caught with against Blitz House, a well-known anti-fascist space in Norway. Vikernes was released from prison last year.) Groups such as Graveland from Poland, Absurd from Germany, Evil from Brazil, the "Blazebirth Hall" circle of bands from Russia, and Ukrainian groups such as Nokturnal Mortum, all promoted an explicitly "national socialist" version of black metal from the '90s onwards, and a distinct NSBM scene now also exists in North America. An upcoming racist publication that caters towards the NSBM scene, Heathenforce, shows that American white supremacists are still trying to organize through this subculture. (One of the editors of Heathenforce, Heathen Holiday Gliebe, is the ex-wife of Erich Gliebe, chairman of the neo-Nazi National Alliance.)

The black metal subculture is not a fascist scene in its entirety, however. NSBM bands are not always welcome, and are often scorned by other parts of the black metal scene, including black metal traditionalists who see the extreme-Right tendency as a step away from the genre's roots. In recent times, black metal groups expressing radical ecological positions, and even anarchist black metal acts, have also emerged as distinct minority tendencies within black metal. In the context of the North American scene, the involvement of people of color in some highly-regarded underground acts may also limit the appeal of the NSBM faction to some degree. Similarly to the skinhead or punk rock scenes, a variety of social and political stances exist within the black metal subculture.

NSBM in Oregon

The two major NSBM projects in Oregon are Immortal Pride and Fanisk, as well as solo projects from members of these groups. Rose City Antifa is always interested in more information about members of these NSBM acts. Several other black metal acts are mentioned in the writing below, but we are not necessarily trying to portray these acts as fascist--many simply keep silent about the neo-Nazi politics of their associates.

Immortal Pride & Waldvater (solo project)

Immortal Pride was formed in 2003 in Corvallis, Oregon, by Justin Endicott AKA "Volkstahl" and "Volkermord," who is now based in Albany. Immortal Pride self-released demos in 2003 and 2004, followed by a split tape with the German black metal act Femegericht, which was issued by the Battle Ground, Washington label Dark Forest Productions in 2006. In 2010, Immortal Pride has become increasingly active again, and has emphatically linked itself to Blood & Honour American Division and the white supremacist circles around Volksfront.

As well as playing in Immortal Pride, Justin Endicott is involved with several other metal bands:
* As "Bloodwrath AKA Mauvais Noir," Endicott plays with the black metal group Echoes of Emptiness. This project also involves Endicott's band-mate Paul Bonnen from Immortal Pride, as well as two members of the Portland black metal group Panzergod. Echoes of Emptiness' Myspace page proclaims: "No religion - no politics - just true bleak metal" and does not mention the neo-Nazi politics of two of its members.
* As "Sadistic Possessor," Endicott plays in the death/thrash metal group MRSA.
* As "Ballistic Suppressor," Endicott also has an "anti-communist" metal recording project named Massive Retaliation.
* Some other projects mentioned on his "Justin Endicott Music" page are: Mauvais Noir, Forest of Illusion, Nipplodeon and Slashbanger.
* Endicott is also an ex-member of the death/thrash/grind metal group Reeker, for which he played bass several years ago.

It should be noted that, like so many neo-Nazis Rose City Antifa has come across, Justin Endicott has an ugly history of violence against women. We urge his current fiancé to reconsider what she is getting herself into.

A former participant in Immortal Pride, Kyle McCoy, is not featured in the most recent photos of Immortal Pride, nor is he listed on their current Myspace page. Under the name "Hexergeist" McCoy used to also play in the Portland black metal group Panzergod. McCoy has also played in the Berlin, Germany black metal group Golgathar under the same alias. While he no longer appears to be playing with Immortal Pride, it does not appear that McCoy has turned his back on white supremacist ideology, and he still seems to be floating around in the NSBM scene.

Gregory Lehr, Jr. who performs in the current Immortal Pride lineup as "Schwarzwaldkrieger," also propagates white power stances through his NSBM solo project Waldvater. The Waldvater solo project began in 2006, and according to its Facebook page, "all lyrics are written for proper European/Pagan history and belief. [... ] Waldvater supports only Pagan or Indo-European influence and promotion." Waldvater was signed to the Austrian label Folk Produktion, but this thankfully ceased operation before it released anything by Lehr's project. Lehr is also a licensed pharmacy technician; we are interested in whether he is still working at Oregon Health & Science University.

Paul Aaron Bonnen is another more recent member of Immortal Pride who goes by the name Draugr for his black metal endeavors. Bonnen lives in Albany, and plays alongside Justin Endicott and members of Panzergod in the "no politics" black metal Echoes of Emptiness. Bonnen shares with Greg Lehr a pronounced love of posing in front of Nazi flags, and then posting the pictures of himself on the internet.

Fanisk & Eldrig (solo project)

The other major NSBM act in Oregon is Fanisk, whose members are originally from California but who moved to Portland few years after the project's formation in 2000 (or 2001, depending on sources.) Both Fanisk and the solo project of one of its members--Eldrig--have been released by major extreme-Right record labels. While both Fanisk and Eldrig have esoteric and pseudo-philosophical lyrics, both recording projects are unmistakably a part of the white power movement. In an interview published in the Winter 2006 issue of the white supremacist Resistance magazine, the group stated that "Fanisk identify foremost with the Life-centered creed of National Socialism, as it has illuminated a clear course beyond mankind as we know it." The group's second recording, "Noontide," originally featured cover art of an eagle flying towards a swastika sun, although this swastika was obscured by a black dot when later reissued.

The first Fanisk recording, "Die and Become," was released in a small edition in 2002, but reissued by Stellar Winter Records in 2008. Stellar Winter Records was the Russian NSBM label of the band Temnozor, and was also associated with The Pagan Front, an alliance of neo-Nazi black metal bands, labels and publications at the center of the NSBM scene. The second Fanisk full-length recording, "Noontide," was recorded in 2003 but reissued by Resistance Records and its subsidiary Unholy Records in 2006. Resistance Records is owned by the National Alliance, which at one time was the largest and most influential neo-Nazi organization in the United States, and which made determined efforts to build influence within the black metal scene (for example by buying other record labels.) Resistance Records were also the publishers of Resistance magazine, which interviewed Fanisk in a five-page feature. The Resistance Records website still lists Fanisk on its "Featured Artists" page.

Also in 2006, Fanisk contributed a track to the "Anti-Geldof Compilation" released by the UK label Supernal Music, which promotes extreme-Right black metal acts. It appears as though the next Fanisk full-length will be released by this label as well. Supernal Records boss Alex Kurtagic is not just a propagandist within the black metal scene, but is a voice within the general ultra-Right as well. Kurtagic is involved with the publishing house Wermod & Wermod as well as Supernal Records, issuing books by himself, Tomislav Sunic of the racist American Third Position party, and "National Anarchist" Troy Southgate, under the house's Iron Sky Publishing and Palingenesis Project imprints. Kurtagic also writes for the pseudo-intellectual white nationalist publication The Occidental Quarterly (his article "Black Metal: Conservative Revolution in Modern Popular Culture" is in the Spring 2010 issue) as well as for the Alternative Right website, which presents itself as the "online magazine of radical traditionalism" and which covers the political spectrum from paleoconservatives to white nationalists and "Third Position" theorists.

Fanisk itself is composed of Portland residents William Arthur McDonald II ("W. Vitholf") and Charles T. See ("Eldrig van See.") McDonald also has own solo NSBM project, Vitholf, although nothing much appears to have happened with this for close to a decade. As well as writing lyrics for Fanisk, William McDonald also composed song lyrics for a complete album by the Polish neo-Nazi black metal act Infernum, and also wrote words for a track by Thor's Hammer, another NSBM act from Poland. Both Infernum and Thor's Hammer contained members who were highly influential in the Polish NSBM scene, and McDonald's contribution of lyrics is a good example of the international cooperation that takes place in this underground.

As well as musical and lyrical endeavors, McDonald is responsible for the "Ironlight" blog which specializes in anti-Semitic forms of anti-Zionism, Holocaust-denial, conspiracy theories and white supremacist ideology. Interestingly, William McDonald is not just an adherent of Adolf Hitler, but also of Charles Manson. One of McDonald's good friends, David Husar of California, is the registrant for two sites for the Order of ATWA (acronym for Air, Trees, Water, Animals and All The Way Alive,) a project guided by Charles Manson and connected to the Manson family. (The websites connected to Husar are atwa.be and allthewayalive.com.) Artwork by McDonald/"Vitholf" is included on the "Art 4 ATWA" page of one of Husar's sites, and the Order of ATWA blog also links to McDonald's Ironlight blog. This is not the first instance of a Manson/neo-Nazi overlap; in the 1980s, veteran neo-Nazi James Mason operated the Universal Order, which combined National Socialist ideology with recognition of Charles Manson's leadership.

William McDonald appears to be engaged in studies at Portland Community College; we would welcome information about this.

The other participant in Fanisk is Charles See ("Eldrig Van See") who also has his own solo project Eldrig. The first major release by Eldrig, "Kali," was released by Supernal in 2007. The album references and pays tribute to the Savitri Devi (pseudonym of Maximiani Portas, 1905-1982), an Esoteric Hitlerist who proclaimed the Third Reich leader to be an avatar of the Hindu deity Vishnu. (Supernal Records also sells two of Devi's books, Gold in the Furnace and Defiance, and label head Kurtagic has further promoted Devi in his writings.) Another 2007 release was the Eldrig album "Everlasting War Divinity," issued on the Polish label Eastside Records, a NSBM label that has also brought out discs by neo-Nazi groups such as Dub Buk from the Ukraine and Temnozor from Russia. The vinyl version of "Everlasting War Divinity" was issued by Portland's Anthem Records, which otherwise does not have neo-Nazi connections. A third Eldrig album, "Mysterion," was released in 2008 by Supernal. Charles See also performs acoustic music and recently appeared in a short experimental movie as Charles See Dudley.

Taking NSBM Seriously as Fascist Organizing

The NSBM scene is one of the key white supremacist subcultures in existence today. Its members are directly linked to neo-Nazi organizing. In the example of Immortal Pride, the group is explicitly affiliated with Blood & Honour American Division and it has recently played a major neo-Nazi gathering. Fanisk was released by the National Alliance-owned Resistance Records, and served as an asset to this organization. Fanisk and Charles See's solo project Eldrig are now promoted by Supernal, a black metal record label whose owner also propagates white nationalist and ultra-Right thought through other channels. Rose City Antifa believes it is important to take such projects seriously, and not simply to look at the bonehead sector of the white supremacist scene. Please contact us if you have any further information regarding the NSBM scene in Oregon.

Rose City Antifa is always interested in information regarding racist, fascist and neo-Nazi activity in Portland and throughout the Pacific Northwest. Our voicemail number is (971) 533 7832. You may also email fight_them_back [at] riseup [dot] net.

[website] http://rosecityantifa.org

homepage: homepage: http://portland.indymedia.org/en/2010/09/402442.shtml
phone: phone: 971-533-7832 (VM)


serious as hitler! 22.Sep.2010 12:14

burr

spme here have taken poorly to my pointing out that Hitler refered to himself as a socialist, even disregarded the reason its national Socialism that became the word Na-Zi. Any 1/2 decent history book will tell you that the commies and the brown shirts vied to win the heart minds and fists of the disaffiliated youth.

Serious and boneheaded are by no means exclusive categories. In fact they fit togather very easily.
Keep up the hat and the light of day on the vermin!

Dark Forest Productions and Immortal Pride split tape 23.Sep.2010 11:01

Rose City Antifa fight_them_back [at] riseup [dot] net

NOTE 9/23/10:
It has been brought to our attention by the label that, despite its numerous mentions on extreme metal websites and discographies, the Femegericht / Immortal Pride split tape was not actually ever released by Dark Forest Productions. Dark Forest Productions has further stressed that it considers itself as a "non political label."

http://rosecityantifa.org
971-533-7832 (VM)

photo of Immortal Pride playing Volksfront gathering 23.Sep.2010 15:24

...

Here is a photograph of Immortal Pride playing the Volksfront "Althing" gathering. Also note that Immortal Pride currently describes itself as "VFBM" (i.e. "Volksfront Black Metal") on its Facebook page.

On a related note, it is somewhat amusing that Greg Lehr is currently trying to backtrack and, on the Waldvater Facebook and Myspace pages, state that his project is "not a 'racist' band and is not NSBM." This is from the person who wrote the song "Aryan Winds" and who just played drums at the Volksfront gathering... (The "Aryan Winds" song is actually by another solo project of Lehr's, SchwarzSonneZorn, that somehow was unmentioned in the Antifa article.) Waldvater has also been promoted by Lehr on the white supremacist Stormfront site. Waldvater is explicitly influenced by works published by the "14 Word Press," such as "Creed of Iron" and "Temple of WOTAN." 14 Words Press was itself established in part by the (now deceased) neo-Nazi terrorist David Lane of The Order/Silent Brotherhood, in order to spread an extreme white supremacist variant of Germanic neopaganism. So much for "not a 'racist' band"...
Immortal Pride playing Volksfront
Immortal Pride playing Volksfront "Althing"

Fanisk = Black Solar Art 24.Sep.2010 07:48

No Titles, No Boundaries

Eldrig said (in the Winter of 2009) in his blog's Statement of Ideological Independence: "The philosophical ideas expressed in the work of Eldrig are of a very complex and personal nature, and are not connected to any movement or political ideology. Those who wish to categorize the musical, lyrical, or aesthetic content of this project using inaccurate names and labels are listening with deaf ears."

Read it for yourself --  link to blogs.myspace.com

To which I, Vithólf, responded two days later: "The problem, it seems to me, is that the vast majority of these self-appointed critics - even those who mean well - simply do not understand the titles they throw around quite casually/carelessly. For many of them, it is music - and not even theirs. So, even if they were to choose an associative title which you had positive feelings toward on an individual level, they would not understand that positivity in its proper context - that is, from the contextual perspective of initiation and consequent illumination. Their associations, in other words, are tainted. They are using the words of the world that is passing -- borrowed, jaded, contaminated. Their parallels are drawn in the darkness of confusion. They simply do not understand the esoteric currents at work - neither the origin, nor the destination of such currents. They are strictly acquainted with the external, the superficial, the apparent. So, even if they were to come close in their words, their parallels would still fail, for they speak a different language: the language of the multitude. It is therefore logical to demand new words from them if nothing more. New titles, altogether. An association to be made only with itself. Those who ever understood anything will know where you stand. Those who never understood anything will continue stumbling in darkness/non-awareness. Eldrig is Eldrig. It is its own entity - its own genre - its own circle, complete in itself."

Eldrig is not NSBM, and Fanisk (not that you understood the title to begin with) transcended genre as early as 2006. Titles and pigeonholing and branding is obviously YOUR thing. That's how you operate in your inner-darkness. It gives the blind something to lash out at, and the weak something to latch onto. We're not interested in such games and won't waste valuable time or energy indulging you. If you want to know what the music of either of these bands represents, listen to the music or read the lyrics. If you don't understand where it comes from or where it's going, what the fuck do we care? You evidently hate anyone who doesn't march in lockstep with your little masked entourage of trust-fund "punks" -- so, no love lost. Your approval or rejection is furthest from our concern. And as it is clear that you do not care to understand anything which defies your narrow vision, your conclusions are hardly surprising.

I've got to hand it to you -- you "Antifascists" have assumed more Fascistic forms than anyone I've encountered along this winding path. Pathetic thing is, you just can't face the mirror and accept what your tactics have reduced you to. You're part of the new world surveillance culture. And while I'd say that your problem certainly isn't our problem, it does, in a sense, become our problem, doesn't it, when you initiate hostility based on your own stubborn and unpardonable ignorance?

We've never belonged to Volksfront or attended a single one of their gatherings. We don't know or communicate with anyone from Immortal Pride. We've never had any connection with Blood and Honour or the Hammerskins or any other organization you've mentioned in your preposterous little "shooting gallery." Additionally, we were never signed to Resistance Records. We were signed to the now-defunct Unholy Records, and have twice requested (in vain) to be removed from the "featured artists" segment of the Resistance site, simply because it did not faithfully reflect the content of our music or the increasing complexity of our worldview.

Every meaningful rebuttal I've posted here on Indymedia has been outright censored, so I expect the same will occur here. Should I find your organization's aversion to free, open debate and a fair presentation of the facts so very peculiar? You creeps clearly have nothing better to do with your lives than this, and a dose of the facts would derail your sensational story in short order. I mean, where would you truly be without the hatred (real or imagined) which sustains you? When it becomes your very reason for living (which is quite evident), you've already lost. Pat yourselves on the back. As for Fanisk, and as for Eldrig, you cannot possibly besmirch what we represent on any conceivable level. In fact, your efforts only strengthen our creative resolve and probably boosts appreciation for our bands while making yourselves look as pathetic as you are. It is wise to remember that the energy you project always, always, always comes back around.


Vithólf

Particularly dishonest response from William McDonald / Vitholf 24.Sep.2010 17:54

?!?!

The Eldrig "Statement of Ideological Independence" is essentially meaningless. Even McDonald/"Vitholf" states that "even if they [the critics] were to choose an associative title which you had positive feelings toward on an individual level, they would not understand that positivity in its proper context."

The "associative title" in question is undoubtedly "National Socialist" or "Nazi," and McDonald's argument is that one cannot properly understand esoteric Nazism outside of a "perspective of initiation"--that is, one has to have become initiated within the alleged Aryan mysteries in order to truly know them. People less inclined towards pretention and bullshit may disagree.

Eldrig is such a clear part of the NSBM scene that it is listed as one of the "representative bands" of the genre on Metapedia, the white nationalist online encyclopedia. Eldrig was released on both the NSBM label Eastside, as well as Supernal Records, a label with its own extreme-Right ideology. In fact, Supernal label boss Alex Kurtagic's own one-man black metal project, Benighted Leams, samples William Pierce--the first leader of the National Alliance and author of the infamous Turner Diaries--on one of his albums, as well as singing about the theories of Kevin MacDonald, an anti-Semitic theorist and white supremacist. Supernal absolutely fails as a record label that is "not connected to any movement or political ideology."

Regarding Fanisk, here are the project's own words to the webmasters at Metal Archives, dated August 31 of this year (found at  http://pastebin.com/rqrLBHcF):

"Thank you for the recent changes made to the Fanisk profile. Would you be so kind, though, as to change the musical style from 'Black Metal' to Black Solar Art? The former 'NS Black Metal' title was vague, and people who do not grasp that NS was/is infinitely more than petty, worldly politics had begun to mistake us for low-brow propagandists. The title 'Black Metal,' however, is also misleading, since it implies that we dropped our NS affiliations. The description, Black Solar Art, is original, and it is our reference to esoteric art in service of the Black Sun."

Note that the Black Sun is an occult symbol used within Nazi mysticism. The symbol was a floor mosaic at SS Generals' Hall in Wewelsburg castle, North Rhine-Westphalia, Germany.

"NS" of course means "National Socialist," in other words "Nazi."

While Fanisk may not hang out with Hammerskins--Antifa never stated or suggested that they do--and Fanisk's members may even look down on neo-Nazi boneheads as insufficiently pompous and elitist, the Fanisk project is certainly an attempt at neo-Nazi propaganda, even if its members don't consider it as "low-brow." Discussing Noontide, the second Fanisk album, one reviewer notes: "These guys get the Hitler sample in early... "

As far as the attempt to portray Unholy Records as different to Resistance Records goes, it should be noted that, when posting about the "NS Black Metal FANISK new album!!" on the white supremacist Stormfront site, "Eldrig" pointed buyers to the Resistance website to buy the album that was nominally released on Unholy. Unholy was owned by the neo-Nazi National Alliance just like Resistance, and in fact was a subsidiary of Resistance. Business records from West Virginia list Erich Gliebe and Ryan Maziarka as Unholy's managers, and William Pierce as its organizer. William Pierce was, as already noted, the first leader of the National Alliance, while Erich Gliebe took his leadership position after Pierce's 2002 death. Ryan Maziarka was also a high-ranking member of the National Alliance. A March 4, 2006 broadcast of the National Alliance's "American Dissident Voices" radio show, demonstrated how little difference there was between the Unholy and Resistance record labels: "Resistance Records just released the first new music CD in 2006. This CD is titled Noontide and the band is Fanisk."

William McDonald shows how much he has personally "transcended" Nazism, by his links to the "Racial Nationalist Library," "National-Socialist Worldview" and dozens of other white supremacist, anti-Semitic and Holocaust-denial sites on his Ironlight blog.

It is of course ironic that McDonald complains of "Fascistic forms" and "surveillance culture," when one considers that the Third Reich was, amongst other things, a totalitarian police state. It is curious how much these Aryan warriors start moaning once criticized publicly for their activity...

Finally, McDonald's assertion that "We don't know or communicate with anyone from Immortal Pride" is simply a lie. The attached screenshot from today shows McDonald's Facebook profile, with "Schwarzwald Krieger" clearly listed as an online "friend." "Schwarzwald Krieger" is Greg Lehr, drummer for Immortal Pride at the Volksfront event.
William McDonald's Facebook page, friends with Greg Lehr
William McDonald's Facebook page, friends with Greg Lehr

"Expose Neo-Nazis in the Oregon Black Metal Scene" 24.Sep.2010 23:08

Black Metal Ist Krieg

The headline "Anti-fascists Expose Neo-Nazis in the Oregon Black Metal Scene" is giving yourselves FAR too much credit.

We never hid anything. Hell, we made the VF show flyer our default pic on myspace before the show!
Im not exactly sure what you sleuths are "exposing" that a simple Google search couldn't reveal.

Also, we're not part of any "metal scene" in Oregon as we've pretty much severed all ties to said groups due to the abundance of druggies, sexual deviants, left-wing undesirables and an over-population of people who just plain wanted to play dress-up. This isn't to say however that we don't have a few little birdies in the right places that keep us informed. We were actually surprised it took this long for the write up to surface.

To put it bluntly, we have not/do not/will never hide our faces(unlike you folks), nor will we ever be part of any metal "scene" in Oregon.

The only way anyone is ever going to "counter" our art form is through sheer force.

To quote a well-known racialist Oregonian, "If somebody wants to do harm to me, They'd better bring their A-game".
Might wanna eat your Wheaties too.

yours in ideological opposition and eternal defiance,
-I.P.

Immortal Pride, hmmmm... 25.Sep.2010 11:57

?!?!

Someone purporting to write on behalf of Immortal Pride, writes "Im not exactly sure what you sleuths are 'exposing' that a simple Google search couldn't reveal." At the same time, (former?) Immortal Pride member Greg Lehr is issuing panic-stricken statements on his Waldvater pages that "This is an invasion of my privacy and an attack on me without having done a single thing to deserve it." Well, which one is it? It can't be both...

Speaking of Greg Lehr, it appears that his alias of "Schwarzwaldkrieger" has mysteriously vanished from the listing of band members on the Immortal Pride Myspace page, and the group is now down to two listed members--"Volkstahl" (Justin Endicott) and "Draugr" (Paul Aaron Bonnen). There are now some really weird attempts at spin going on, that Lehr was just an incidental session musician who merely happened to play one show (in a hall full of Volksfront neo-Nazis in a remote Missouri location, no less... ) and was never a full member of Immortal Pride. If Lehr was just a lowly session musician, then why was he featured in every single one of Immortal Pride's 2010 publicity photos? Of course, at the time of writing Immortal Pride has removed its photos of band members from its Myspace page... (Their t-shirt model is not in the band.)

The weirdest thing about all of this is Greg Lehr's new insistence that he has never had anything to do with neo-Nazism, that he was just doing a favor for a buddy, and so forth. That sure does not match with "Schwarzwaldkrieger" having an account on New Saxon, the National Socialist Movement-operated social networking site for white racists, and even posting racist lyrics in his own name there. What a hypocrite.
Immortal Pride Myspace 9/24 with three members
Immortal Pride Myspace 9/24 with three members
Immortal Pride Myspace 9/25 down to two
Immortal Pride Myspace 9/25 down to two
Greg Lehr on New Saxon
Greg Lehr on New Saxon

Waldvater is not NSBM 25.Sep.2010 14:56

Truth Serum

Anyone who would like to hear some truth and fact instead of reading this article and take it as fact. People who would like to hear the other side before passing judgment. Have a read at the reply to this article and discussion here:

 http://www.facebook.com/pages/Waldvater/118397188193814

Read the comments. You may be extremely surprised at what you discover.

Small minds/Loud mouths 25.Sep.2010 19:50

W.V.

The Statement of Ideological Independence is "essentially meaningless" to you, and to those like you, for the simple reason that it does not mesh well with the conclusions you already formed in your state of limited understanding.

My response is thus dismissed as "pretention" and "bullshit," because you feel the word "Nazi" is supposed to apply to all of your enemies, equally. That makes your "work" easier, after all. The assigned shoe must fit, and protest to the contrary is not tolerated. Organizations such as yours routinely condemn sweeping condemnations such as these, yet you're curiously swift to employ them.

The word "Nazi" has a far different meaning for you and for most of the world, obviously, than it does for those of us with a deeper understanding of this title. For you, it is an effective slur designed to strategically terminate debate, as it is a word which has (thanks to conformist history), over the course of sixty-odd years now, become inextricably bound to the subject of intolerance, race-hatred and genocide.

For those of us, however, who know that Hitler befriended men like Mohammed Amin al-Husseini and Subhas Chandra Bose, and that the German National Socialists who made up a minority in their own military force fought side by side with Slavonic peoples, with Arabs, with Jews, with the Japanese, with Tibetans, with Indians, with Muslims of various countries, et cetera, the accusations of intolerance and race-hatred do not seem so straight-forward. The assigned shoe, again, does not quite fit.

Additionally, for those of us who do not blindly trust every aspect of establishment history - which of course includes the subject of "the Holocaust" - the subject of genocide in the Second World War is, for us anyhow, a rather complex and inconclusive matter. Ours is a question of numbers and methods, and if what we've been taught has proven problematic when weighed against the facts, then we demand our freedom of inquiry. We feel that a great deal of deception and manipulation certainly lead to the foundation of the state of Israel, and that "the Holocaust" has, for more than sixty years now, been utilized as a shield of immunity from deserved international criticism whilst the knotted club of the Israeli government and military carry out the ongoing ethnic-cleansing and quite verifiable genocide of the Palestinian people (not to mention, the emotional extortion of anywhere from $3BN-$20BN per annua in trade compacts, economic assistance, and state of the art military provisions from the United States alone).

What about the Soviet-imposed Ukrainian famine which killed 11 million innocent men, women, and children before the Second World War even began? Your Communist heroes have the blood of 100 million on their hands. I notice you don't seem concerned with justice with regards to this chapter. What about German civilians who were ethnically-cleansed, starved, beaten, raped, tortured, and murdered for no other crime than being among the vanquished and the expelled? Is it only the alleged figures of Jewish losses which merit remembrance or which call for justice?

You refer to us as "deniers," but we feel that further study and investigation, both past and present, can only bring us closer to the truth on all matters. We notice, however, that there are rather strict laws in many countries around the world which prevent free and open debate concerning the issue of "the Holocaust" -- and we notice that no other chapter of history is treated with such a peculiar degree of care and caution, and that naturally leads us to question "why?" While you and your comrades find it fashionable to condemn the establishment (gee, that's oh so punk), you embrace establishment history, provided it reinforces your inherited positions -- i.e., that the White man is the eternal aggressor, warlord, treaty-breaker, Earth-fucker, rapist, oppressor, plague-wielder, et cetera, while the rest of humanity were presumably living in peace and harmony until we entered the scene. Anything that defies this narrative is rejected as "denial" -- so what value does this word have? What value should it have?

But back to the issue of the "Nazi" accusation... Do you think the word "Jew" means the same thing to every Jew as it does to an anti-Zionist (what people like you translate to mean "anti-Semite," though Jews, too, can obviously be anti-Zionists)? You call yourself an anti-Fascist, thinking this is equivalent to anti-Nazi. Do you think we share the same definition when it comes to either of these labels? Is it not possible that what "Nazi" means to you has absolutely nothing to do with our definition? To me and mine, these titles have posed a problem - and not because losers like you have employed them to "out" people for their personal beliefs, but simply because you and your vocal yet anonymous organization don't understand what we sincerely believe to begin with. Titles, in this and many other instances, pose a problem because they lead to misunderstandings. They are too vague. Too broad, yet too restrictive. They've come to encompass too many contrasting personalities and too many conflicting forms, so they serve no purpose, whatsoever, except for organizations like yours which utilize these titles as a convenient means to pigeonhole us with the rest of your enemies. It's your way of herding us into an altogether different form of camp.

As for Metapedia -- it has nothing to do with Eldrig or with Fanisk. They're not the authority on our music, and I would be positively shocked if they claimed they were. As with Wikipedia, people post what they please - including misinterpretations. As for Eastside and Supernal, we're proud to have worked with them. Nevertheless, these labels do not represent our music anymore than our music represents these labels. There are points of overlap, philosophically, but each operates independently. We represent ourselves. Is it so strange to you that we each have our own ideas and our own paths, and that even within a single band, not every member is an exact ideological or philosophical clone of the next?

So glad you pasted in my words to the Metal Archives. Indeed: "[P]eople who do not grasp that NS was/is infinitely more than petty, worldly politics had begun to mistake us for low-brow propagandists" -- yourselves included.

Do you really think the symbol of the Back Sun arrived and departed with "Nazi mysticism"? Do you know nothing of the Hermetic and alchemical origins of these symbols, or their antiquity (as with the most ancient symbol of the Sunwheel gracing the cover-art for "Noontide")?

"Propaganda" is your game, "Bernays." The "Big Lie" is your truth - not ours. It is inconceivable, to you, that we're doing this for ourselves, for our ancestors, and for an unborn generation - and that above all, anyone who needs to be "recruited" is not worthy of illumination. We're not fucking missionaries. That's not our world. We aren't interested in setting up tables and merchandising our ideals like you do. We're not sheepherders. We're not looking for easily won fans or followers who can be swept this way or that by the next moderate breeze. Those who are on the path find precisely who and what they are ripe to find, and at precisely the right time. Fuck propaganda and fuck your long list of misconceptions.

You quote someone else concerning a sample in an album you've never even heard. I don't suppose you know (or care) what those samples say, do you?

If Resistance carried albums originally released on Unholy, and that was one of the only sources to obtain the album in the U.S. at that time, then why wouldn't Eldrig make this clear? Do you think the record producers of, say, Warner, Interscope, or EMI sit around listening to the "Gangsta Rap" albums they produce, or that Ice Cube is "down" with the white collar executives that release his albums? Likewise, do you think we're "best friends forever" with every god damned record label who happens to distro one of our albums? Write Erich Gliebe yourself and ask him if Fanisk ever signed anything whatsoever to the Resistance label, or if it was, as I already made clear, to Unholy Records. The two are not identical, and we, before anyone else, would surely know who released our album.

You mention the Ironlight blog's "damning" links to the Racial Nationalist Library, National Socialist Worldview, and other unspecified so-called "anti-Semitic and 'Holocaust' denial sites" - but I notice you failed to mention links to sites such as Al Jazeera, Aloha Palestine, Antiwar, B'tselem, Electronic Intifada, Firefighters for 9/11 Truth, Gilad Atzmon, Israel Shamir, James Petras, Nation of Islam's "Jewish Role in the Slave Trade", Mahmoud Ahmadinejad, Norman Finkelstein, Philip Weiss, Russia Today, Tehran Times, Tony Martin, Uri Avnery, or Uruknet Middle eastern News. Is there a tactical reason you failed to mention these, perhaps? A whole lot of Semites here in this list, you know. I guess that wouldn't mesh well, though -- yet again -- with the conclusions you already formed in your state of limited understanding.

I think it is perfectly clear, furthermore, that you do not care to understand. For you, it is enough of an "offense" that I am a White man who honors my ancestral heritage and who intends to survive and prosper, come what may. You have therefore attacked me, anonymously, based on selective information. You have exposed individuals of good character, and you've done so while hiding like a coward in the shadows. Everyone sees this but you, and thus nothing you have to say here or elsewhere carries any weight. Even the average and uninformed people who might happen upon this sad little "report" of yours don't respect cowards.

It is, of course, ironic that you have anything to say about the Third Reich (what would you know about the subject, anyhow?) whilst engaging in tactics you claim to oppose. As for "moaning," isn't that what your organization is all about? WAAAAAntifa...

It has already been explained to you that Greg filled-in as a session drummer for Immortal Pride on literally one occasion. Greg isn't in our band, and we aren't in his. We don't speak for him, and he doesn't speak for us. With that said, do you really think an individual who filled in for another band entirely is somehow the spokesman for anything we do in our own band? Are you aware that Immortal Pride's first session-drummer was an African-American, by the way? Does that somehow make Fanisk the New Black Panther Party? I already explained to you that we are not affiliated in any way, shape or form with Immortal Pride or any of the organizations you've mentioned here. I guess it's as good a time as any to mention that Sun Ra was once my friend on Myspace as well. That doesn't mean I'm a member of his fucking Arkestra, or that we've resurrected his ghost to play on the next Fanisk album.

Small minds. Loud mouths. A lack of spines. Worthless conclusions. That's what I'm confronted with here. (Yawn)

-W.

Jews are Gay Gay 26.Sep.2010 01:43

Jesus

If the holocaust happened then I think it is funny! If not then I think it is sad! LLLLLLLLLLOOOOOOOOOOOOOLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLL

Fanisk, Unholy Records, William McDonald, etc. 26.Sep.2010 01:55

?!?!

Well, William McDonald/"Vitholf" has issued another rambling response. As McDonald has admitted that he considers himself to be a Nazi, under McDonald's own definition of Nazism--that is, a positive one--there appears to be very little to actually debate. One does have to wonder, though, about someone who claims that "accusations of intolerance and race-hatred" are not straightforward when it comes to Adolf Hitler...

There is however a remaining factual matter about Unholy Records and its relationship to Resistance Records and the National Alliance, which William McDonald seems determined to deny despite all the evidence that's out there.

That Unholy Records was a subsidiary of Resistance Records is far from a controversial statement. It is reported, for example, in J. Bennett's "NSBM Special Report" published in the May 2006 issue of Decibel Magazine, see:  link to web.archive.org
(Note that the Decibel Magazine report made this claim shortly after Fanisk's "Noontide" album was released.)

The fact that Unholy was a Resistance Records subsidiary may also be confirmed through independent research. The old unholyrecords dot com domain name currently resolves to the Resistance Records website, and a "whois" lookup for this domain name shows that it is registered to the National Alliance PO Box in Hillsboro, West Virginia (as is the domain name for Resistance.) Unholy Records was initially set up as a front for the US division of Cymophane Records, an NSBM label of which William Pierce and the National Alliance had in 2000 purchased a substantial stake. (William Pierce and the National Alliance gained full control of Resistance Records in 1999 through buying out the other shareholders; Resistance's operations then moved to West Virginia.)

Below are the business records for Resistance and Cymophane:

Resistance:  http://apps.sos.wv.gov/business/corporations/organization.aspx?org=188668
Cymophane (revoked):  http://apps.sos.wv.gov/business/corporations/organization.aspx?org=193939

Note that Resistance has Erich Gliebe as its Manager, while Cymophane listed Erich Gliebe and Ryan Maziarka as Managers, and William Pierce as Organizer.

"Unholy Records" was a DBA ("doing business as") name for Cymophane, LLC. One may try a search for Unholy at the WV Secretary of State link below, and this will provide a link that resolves to the business entry for Cymophane. Search at:  http://apps.sos.wv.gov/business/corporations/index.aspx

So, to what degree did Unholy/Cymophane equal Resistance Records? At the time of the Fanisk release--which is what W. McDonald has tried to debate--it would seem that the business entities were ultimately the same. Firstly, both the Unholy/Cymophane and Resistance businesses were completely controlled by the National Alliance--just check the business records and look up the associated names. Secondly, Cymophane Records had publicly called it quits in 2001, with questions being referred to its "former manager" Erich Gliebe, see:
 link to web.archive.org

So, Unholy Records existed as a front for Cymophane, which had officially called it quits for years beforehand, but whose business interests were primarily handled by Gliebe. William Pierce had died in 2002, with the National Alliance and thus its businesses falling into Erich Gliebe's hands. Gliebe and Ryan Maziarka both managed Unholy/Cymophane, whose titles were circulated by Resistance Records. Gliebe was also the manager for Resistance Records. Furthermore, Gliebe and Maziarka are listed as the President and Vice-President respectively for National Vanguard Books, the National Alliance's publishing house, see:
 http://apps.sos.wv.gov/business/corporations/organization.aspx?org=122292

National Vanguard Books has as its address the same PO Box in Hillsboro, WV, as both the unholyrecords and Resistance domain names are registered to. Seems a bit like they're all essentially the same, huh? This would be why Fanisk is listed as one of Resistance's "Featured Artists," and why the Fanisk "Noontide" disk was promoted on the air as a Resistance title--it wasn't just that Resistance was a distributor. The purpose of the Unholy Records name was to access some distribution channels that Resistance could not get to due to the notoriety of its brand, as well as to provide greater access to the metal scene. But with Unholy/Cymophane and Resistance, money and control resolved to the exact same places, and they were completely interlocked. So writing of Resistance/Unholy or "Resistance Records and its subsidiary Unholy Records" is perfectly correct.

Oh yeah, on other factual matters: it is true that neither William McDonald nor Charles T. See control the Metapedia online white nationalist encyclopedia. Yet Metapedia is a perfectly fine source to get a sense of the dominant attitudes within the white supremacist and ultra-Right milieus, and it certainly appears as though such movements see Eldrig as their own. The entry has been up for a long time, there has been no controversy over it, and it is fully in line with other white supremacist sources. If the view of Eldrig on Metapedia is a "misinterpretation," it is very easy to understand why the "misinterpretation" took place, for example Charles See's own statements that he is a "National Socialist," Supernal's marketing of Eldrig as Savitri Devi chic, and Charles T. See's participation in Fanisk alongside McDonald. Not much of a "misinterpretation" at all, it would seem...

Poop in your lungs? 26.Sep.2010 02:37

Poop in your teeth?

Poop my pants

More on Resistance, Unholy and Fanisk 26.Sep.2010 10:23

?!?!

Looking at the thread "Questions and Discussion with Erich Gliebe" on the Resistance forum, on 2/21/2006 Gliebe was asked "Is [sic] there any new cds that Resisatnce [sic] will be pressing soon?" Gliebe, described on the forum as "Chairman of the NA [National Alliance] and CEO Resistance," replied "Tomorrow we are releasing the Fanisk musical project. Fanisk has an awesome interview in Resistance #25." The "we" doing the release was therefore--to Gliebe's mind--Resistance Records. As has already been pointed out, Gliebe's name was on the state filings for both Unholy/Cymophane and Resistance. If there was a substantial difference between Unholy and Resistance, Gliebe would have almost certainly either specified that it was Unholy doing the release, or not mention it at all on the Resistance forum.
Erich Gliebe on Resistance forum about releasing Fanisk
Erich Gliebe on Resistance forum about releasing Fanisk

A little bit more about Greg Lehr, Jr. 26.Sep.2010 11:25

?!?!

Greg Lehr continues to try to hide his neo-Nazi activism and worldview, as well as to minimize his involvement with Immortal Pride.

It has been mentioned that Lehr appeared in every single group publicity photo for Immortal Pride from this year. He is also equally represented alongside the other Immortal Pride members in the individual portrait shots from the same set. There is a .rar compressed file of all of these photos online at  http://waldvater.net/ImmortalPride/Immortal_Pride_Photos.rar (case sensitive URL) although I'm guessing that this may come down pretty soon...

Lehr has now removed the Facebook page for his SchwarzSonneZorn project, but it currently remains cached by Google. (See accompanying image #1.) On August 17, Lehr/" SchwarzSonneZorn" commented: "Full demo to come soon. 14 per sempre!" The number 14 in this statement is shorthand for the "14 Words" coined by the (now deceased) neo-Nazi terrorist David Lane of the Silent Brotherhood/The Order. These 14 words are: ""We must secure the existence of our people and a future for white children." It is rather amusing that Lehr would proclaim these words to eternity little but a month ago, given his recent shift to complete denial.

Lehr has not just deleted his profile at the Newsaxon white supremacist social networking site (see screenshot in an earlier post) but has also deleted his posts on the racist Stormfront site as "Waldvater." Again, several of these posts currently exist in Google's cache. (See for example accompanying image #2.)

Finally, given all the distance that Lehr is currently trying to establish between himself and Volksfront, it is curious to learn that Lehr signed up on the organization's message board shortly after playing their gathering in
Missouri. (See accompanying image #3.) Yet another denial that is far from convincing...
Facebook page for Lehr's SchwarzSonneZorn project
Facebook page for Lehr's SchwarzSonneZorn project
Greg Lehr on Stormfront.org
Greg Lehr on Stormfront.org
Greg Lehr on Volksfront image from 9/25/2010
Greg Lehr on Volksfront image from 9/25/2010

Immortal Pride... 26.Sep.2010 13:37

Lulzbot2010

That person now modeling the Immortal Pride t-shirt on the group's Myspace page has more than a passing resemblance to Justin Endicott's friend "Johnny Rocker" of the Lebanon/Albany Christian hard rock/heavy metal group The Forgiven. Whether or not it is Johnny Rocker in the photo--the sunglasses make it hard to tell 100%--the Johnny Rocker/Justin Endicott friendship raises some interesting questions. Firstly, as Endicott is "Volkermord"/"Volkstahl" of Immortal Pride, what does it mean that Immortal Pride "raises the battleflag against Judeo-Christianity" (Myspace page) and sings "Zionism, Communism, Christianity / Forced upon an unsuspecting humanity"? I mean, if Immortal Pride really does not like Christianity, why is Justin Endicott fraternizing with the enemy? A photo album of Endicott hanging out with Mr. Rocker may currently be found on The Forgiven's Myspace page. Come to think of it, what is Immortal Pride doing associating with an organization such as Volksfront, which contains a significant number of Christian Identity (extreme racist "Christianity") adherents? Oh yeah, why have Immortal Pride removed their lyrics from their Myspace page? Was it making Greg Lehr uncomfortable?

Diversity 26.Sep.2010 16:28

Draugr

This just proves that we are not bigots or hate mongers, we may have different beliefs on alot of different issues but we respect each others opinons and individuality unlike you people who want everyone to be the same and think the same way.

Paul Aaron Bonnen AKA Draugr does not make much sense... 26.Sep.2010 23:19

?!?!

There is more than a certain irony that neo-Nazi propagandist Paul Bonnen (AKA Draugr) of Immortal Pride is now calling for people to respect "diversity."

Immortal Pride members do not have a track record of preaching respect for diversity, to say the least.

Greg Lehr sings "From the shade of tolerance / comes the racial death" in the song "Aryan Winds" performed by his solo project SchwarzSonneZorn. When he posted these lyrics online, his fellow band member in Immortal Pride Justin Endicott commented "Your best creation to date brother!" (Lehr is now of course trying to distance himself from Immortal Pride.)

Immortal Pride lyrics such as the song "Vinland Elite" are clear calls for genocide:

"We must decimate the scum / with superior fire power [... ] Your tribe will be forgotten / your filthy lies erased"

It is therefore rather odd that Paul Bonnen now claims that "respect [for] each others opinons [sic] and individuality" is the Immortal Pride way.

It is ludicrous to claim that the members of Immortal Pride "are not bigots or hate mongers." Immortal Pride's old webpage uses a picture of burning bodies at Auschwitz as decoration, while Bonnen likes displaying photographs of himself making stiff-arm Nazi salutes. The group just played a neo-Nazi gathering and is affiliated with Volksfront International and Blood & Honour American Division. This would appear to be rather extreme hate-mongering...
Immortal Pride: corpses at Auschwitz as decoration
Immortal Pride: corpses at Auschwitz as decoration
Stiff-arm salute displayed online by Paul Bonnen
Stiff-arm salute displayed online by Paul Bonnen

Immortal Pride Update 28.Sep.2010 18:51

take a wild guess

New Immortal Pride lyrics, come to think of it I guess we are hatemongers.

Tormenting the Abhorrent

Corralled into captivity, choking on the stench
Herded off like livestock by the uber-mensch
Iron boot of hatred crashing down into the spine
Forcing expiration of the loathsome Hebrew swine

Tapeworm race
Disposed in cruelest form
Semitic foe
Collapsing in the snow

Propaganda hammer cleansing vermin from the land
Wielded by Teutonic savior, given by his hand
Caging in the parasitic sons of Davids kin
European Jewish blood poisoned from Berlin

The real scoop on Immortal Pride 30.Sep.2010 12:29

hmm...

I started Immortal Pride in 2003 after my best friend died in Iraq. I researched the war and found that 3/4 of the main architects/peddlers of the war were Jews. This perplexed me. I found out what AIPAC was. I learned that ISRAEL, dollar for dollar, is the 2nd biggest lobby group in Washington DC. I realized that like Iran, Iraq was run by an anti-Semite, which explained to me why North Korea(which isn't run by one) wasn't attacked, even though they(and the nukes they're building) are WAY more of a threat to us than anything Saddam had.

I see that SOME Jewish groups have been using the US, in whole or in part, to fight their proxy wars for some time now(WW2 in Europe, gulf 1, gulf 2, misc other conflicts). Im not saying that every living Jew is a "bad person", Im just saying that almost every "bad" thing in the world in recent memory(Judeo-Christianity, Communism, Zionism, Federal Reserve, World Bank, ongoing Palestinian massacre) has a/some Jew/s at the helm.

This band was fairly radical when the frustrations of my realization were fresh in my mind but our music started to become less genocidal and more reflective of a general distaste for all of the TRULY ignorant people who are misguided and hostile to our positions as well as celebratory towards our culture in general.

Our affiliation with Volksfront was one that was that was formed out of simple brotherhood and a mutual celebration of our heritage, not out of blind hatred or violent aims. As I see VF in 2010, they are ideologically opposed to the same things that we are and more important that than, they focus mainly on positive issues such as gaining employment, staying out of jail, staying off drugs, and most importantly, caring for children and providing real family-oriented environments for them.

Of course we despise drug dealers and pedophiles, just as all decent people do.
We also despise people who try to police our thoughts and beliefs.

Our music is again becoming somewhat radicalized, due in part to what we see as an upswing of Stalinist behaviour by folks such as RCA. Our lyrics are even a bit much for some folks in the "movement" and aren't necessarily accepted, sight-unseen, by all of our "evil, nazi buddies".

I personally do not buy the holocaust story as its sold to me. Once something becomes illegal to research, I IMMEDIATELY call bullshit and begin research.

You may see our recently posted lyrics as vile and inhuman. We see them as a statement of defiance and mockery to the guilt-mongers who use the subject as a trump card to garner world wide sympathy in what amounts to little more than a shakedown for cash and arms. What about the 10 million Ukrainians killed by the USSR? Would you be as up in arms if we wrote songs mocking their suffering? Doubtful.

We don't seek violence but we will never hesitate to defend ourselves by any means necessary.

If our black metal gets people this worked up, we're definitely doing something right.

- I.P.

The Problem Is Not the Nazis 30.Sep.2010 14:01

notabigot

The problem is liberal bigotry which says that all points of view are equally valid.

If you bother to read the lyrics of these bands, you will know what they are. But if you read what the liberal bigots have to say, you will see a smoke screen.

your hypocrisy 01.Oct.2010 21:55

m.

does indymedia go around exposing bands with misogynist themes? no. your crusade against anything even remotely racialist or nationalist is just a little too convenient don'y you think? when you start waging war against the capitalism and patriarchy you claim to oppose instead of accommodating both of these aberrations at your convenience as is the case with not only your apparent indifference to bands with misogynist lyrics and or imagery but your complacency when it comes to sexual labour and media then you might be taken serious by actual left thinkers and not just your dope smoking imbecile friends.

the hammer falls on zion 04.Oct.2010 15:24

foot and ass worshp

Anyone who thinks this band isnt nazis just look at the logo of the band they are putting out a split cd with, look at the logo its got anti semitism written all over it.
Ravensbruck Logo
Ravensbruck Logo

HEY 05.Oct.2010 09:10

EVERYONE

New Immortal Pride song up on the myspace, everyone check it out!


 http://www.myspace.com/vinlandelite

NSBM NSBM NSBM NSBM 05.Oct.2010 09:15

NSBM NSBM NSBM NSBM

Antifa needs bands like Immortal Pride because without them they would still be calling bands like Horna and Moonsorrow NSBM LOL at least Immortal Pride has the balls to say fuck you to the Antifa and not give a shit what people call them.

Immortal Pride Update 20.Nov.2010 19:21

I.P.

We have finished recording the music to our new album and nearly have the vocals complete.We have also secured a record label to release our new album entitled "proPAGANda".In addition, Immortal Pride has 2 new members that will be introduced soon.New merchandise will be available by years end as well.Keep an eye out for live shows.More info soon!828, -I.P. horde


P.S., Antifa.. you're slacking a bit. Im kinda disappointed we're having to do your work for you now.. haha!

RAVENSBRUCK 28.Dec.2010 09:55

COUNT NEBEL

New Ravensbruck cd Droppin like it is hot in no time. Thanks antifa for fueling me. It is not the people of color I hate it is Anti-fa scum.

P.S

Getting a Abortion means your a whore :)

discussion

Publicity? 23.Sep.2010 03:04

metalfan

Im not sure if you're aware of this or not but in the black metal scene, the more "evil" or "extreme" a band is, the most publicity and inevitably record sales they recieve. With individual "callouts" you could damage someones social standing perhaps, but in the case of bands who freely offer this information online, youre only playing right into their hands, as theyre clearly hungering for publicity and probably high-fiving each other @ this article.

really? 23.Sep.2010 05:57

trash rock

who gives a shit, you are no different than these people, if not worse. yawn...

Black Metal 23.Sep.2010 06:00

Craig Christ

Interesting to note that some of the most intelligent and informed people in the world are huge fans of Black Metal. Art and music are reflections of the times and conditions of the world the artist lives in. Take notice, that Black Metal, being a highly aggressive, angry, and extreme type of sound, is based on the some of the most soothing, beautiful music ever created, which is European classical music. It was not born out of the "Blues" music that modern day American rock n' roll is claimed to have come from. So, it would be correct to say that it's already a "White thing" to begin with and it's only natural for that to express a European DNA world-view.

It is no wonder, that the subject matter of Black Metal music has to do with the dark side of religion, as well as taking the opposite approach to any of our modern day accepted politics. It's not like the majority of people, the masses, even though they voluntarily sign up for religion and swallow the politics that are dished out to them, are really, truly happy with the way the world has become. Most people on the street don't trust their government and think the world in general is just broken and is not at all getting any better. Black Metal reflects back to us what these dark forces in our world are, and then, like witches in the night, attempt to turn those negatives into positives by offering alternative view points. Because, as you know, music and art is what inspires us all to think and feel and a good artist and musician will inspire us all to think and feel.. differently.

So, really, this article is clearly written by someone who opposes Freedom of Speech in art and music, as well as someone who is obviously scared to death that there are other world views and opinions out there that may be better for the world then their own lame, destructive, Politically Correct world view that most people are having huge problems with anyway. And although he/she is a competent writer, they need to go back to the drawing board and stop trying to CONTROL us all. Let FREEDOM ring and let us make up our OWN minds without having your opinions forced down our throats.

Goddamn you all 23.Sep.2010 06:27

>><<

I cannot believe that this is the reaction that RCAntifas' splendid work incurs... fuck you all. I don't care if you listen to Bathory. Fine. But at least take a stand against the large number of folks - and my info comes from situations that have nothing to do with the individuals mentioned, incidentally - that see it more than just music. I can't believe you all would just sell us out for the sake of "musical freedom" or some related, contrived BS. I'm all about that except when one uses music to intentionally recruit. Don't think that they don't.... Some leftist/anarchist/liberationist solidarity and support.

Guess we'll do it on our own.

Free Speech for ALL 23.Sep.2010 07:08

Or Free Speech for NONE


Clyde 23.Sep.2010 12:02

re: Craig Christ

"Interesting to note that some of the most intelligent and informed people in the world are huge fans of Black Metal"

That. Is. Hilarious.

Seriously. Read some of Varg's writings and tell me that guy is "informed". Get a grip.

Black metal is the musical equivalent of those guys who run around in the park hitting each other with foam swords.

I hope you read this after a hard day of putting on corpsepaint and sharpening your battle axe.

re: "Or Free Speech for NONE" 23.Sep.2010 15:46

notabigot

Like the liberal bigots who oppose ANTIFA for calling out the holocaust deniers in the Portland "left", you rightwing bigots don't know the difference between the state and the people who live in the state. Chomsky is saying nothing about the tactics chosen by groups like ANTIFA, you idiots. Here's what he says in your own link:

"The law in effect grants the STATE the right to determine historical truth and to punish departure from its edicts, a principle reminiscent of the dark days of Stalinism and Nazism."

Thank you ANTIFA.

Rebuttal 23.Sep.2010 20:01

Truth

Maybe you should allow the accused a forum to reply to these accusations? But, no, you wont. Some of them have been trying to respond to this article on here and it mysteriously does not appear. Imagine that. If you value truth and what America is all about, then you should allow the people you are saying things about PUBLICLY a chance to set the record straight. If you will not, then you are being that which you proclaim to be against. Many of the "facts" in this article are skewed, spinned, and misinformed. You have no right posting things about people online like this, especially their pictures. You invite violence and attacks on them by posting this, all based on illegitimate "facts". You do not even know these people personally. THAT sounds like Fascism to me.

Anti-fascism isn’t working 23.Sep.2010 21:23

You

Anti-fascism isn't working
The British National Party's continuing electoral advances have propelled the party onto the national stage and initiated a debate about why it is achieving historically unprecedented results for the far right in Britain. What is driving its recent successes, how might it be stopped and what is the role of the left in this effort? This debate is essentially over strategy: about our relation to anti-fascism and what it ought to be in today's conditions. There is one question that is not being asked, though: is 'anti-fascism' the answer to the BNP? Keiron Farrow says it isn't
The statistics are telling. The BNP now has 60 local councillors and a similar number of parish councillors. By comparison, previous fascist groups had managed three councillors in total in the previous 80 years (this is without counting the seats won and subsequently lost by the BNP). The party has one member on the London Assembly, and now two MEPs in Europe.
Its overall vote has risen in successive local, general and European elections. At locals it has risen to an average of around 15 per cent, while in the European elections the party polled 943,598 votes nationally, 6.2 per cent of the total (up 1.3 per cent on 2004). At Westminster level there are three constituencies where the aggregate ward votes at the 2008 local elections put it in first place.
The BNP had 10,000 members at the end of 2007 - a figure that is likely to have risen since - providing it with a large and expanding activist base. It is not, by national standards, a huge organisation; it is a 'large small party' - at best the sixth biggest in the country. Nor, despite its advances, does it pose any immediate threat of gaining serious power. The real danger lies elsewhere, as will be outlined later.
Nonetheless, if the BNP's absolute vote is giving pause for concern, it is its trajectory that is truly worrying. The European elections saw its national vote rise by almost a fifth against a background of falling turnout. The small falls in its absolute vote in some areas, including the North West and Yorkshire and Humber, where it won its seats, are misleading as they ignore the lower turnout and factors such as the impact of moving from an all-postal ballot to a traditional election. To exaggerate the significance of these absolute figures risks obscuring the party's continued increase in its vote nationwide and breakthrough successes in county council level.
Failed approaches
Contemporary anti-fascism is represented by two main groups, with broadly similar approaches. First, there is Hope not Hate, an umbrella group for unions and individuals within the broad labour movement but open to all. This group was formed by the Searchlight Network. Second, Unite Against Fascism (UAF), an organisation set up by the Socialist Workers Party (SWP) and National Assembly Against Racism, which also has some union and other backing. For the SWP, UAF is clearly designed to continue in a similar vein to the Anti-Nazi League, and is not shy of drawing on the ANL's reputation and experience.
Both groups concentrate their activities on two main approaches: first, exposing the criminal records, past activities and political beliefs of leading BNP members, candidates and activists; and second, calling on people not to 'vote Nazi'. Instead electors are urged to vote anyone but BNP (with slight differences in how this is interpreted by each group), in an attempt to raise turnout and block the BNP electorally. This approach formed the basis of both groups' failed interventions into the London mayoral and European elections.
What is wrong with these two approaches? The most obvious objection is that they don't work. They don't work today and they haven't worked for some time. This isn't to say that they haven't worked in the past, just that they cannot form the central core of an anti-BNP strategy in today's conditions.
Exposing the BNP's various criminal and political records has had no discernible impact. In a country in which more than 40 per cent of all men can expect to have some form of criminal conviction during their lifetime, pointing out to voters in the sort of areas the BNP targets that a candidate has a conviction for assault or theft is likely to have a limited impact. If this were not the case we would today be seeing declining BNP votes and councillors not being returned post-exposure. But we're not. We're seeing a steadily rising vote and increasing re-elections.
This tactic has been pursued over the past decade on a scale never seen before. Every section of the media has got in on the game, every candidate has been hammering home their BNP opponents' convictions. If this strategy was ever to make an impact it would have done so in these almost ideal conditions; instead the far right vote continues to rise. We have to conclude that this approach is ineffective.
Exposing past political views - for instance, BNP leader Nick Griffin's association with Holocaust denial in the 1990s and earlier - has suffered a similar fate. Griffin has proved adept at moderating his most extreme opinions for the benefit of the media. He will now acknowledge the Holocaust as a historical 'fact' and, as he put it to the Observer in 2002, he claims that the only reason 'people like me' are not always 'polite and reasonable' on the subject is 'frustration with how it is used to prevent any genuine debate on questions to do with immigration, ethnicity and the cultural survival of the western nations'.
In doing so, he can effectively neutralise the issue. If, despite his denial of Holocaust denial, an interviewer presses on regardless, it permits Griffin to turn the tables and ask if he or she wants to talk about politics. The same thing happens on a larger scale electorally
As with the exposure of BNP candidates' criminal convictions, if this approach of bringing up the death camps and Nazi Germany was going to have any impact it would have done so in the especially favourable conditions of recent fevered mass media scrutiny of the BNP. This approach did find success in the three or four decades after the second world war, when a real folk memory of the sacrifices made by millions was still alive. Today, in different conditions, it cannot, has not and will not make the same inroads on BNP support.
Appealing to the status quo
These, though, are merely tactical problems, bred by past success and turned into conservative substitutes for effective intervention. Far more damaging on a strategic level is the second approach, calling on the electorate to 'vote anyone but BNP'.
This position is a de facto appeal to support the status quo. It effectively calls on people to support the social conditions that have given rise to their radical discontent - to support the very same parties that have introduced and are pledged to maintain those conditions. In the bluntest terms, people will simply not vote for the parties they now blame for their situation and no amount of cajoling or mentions of the Holocaust will change that. The collapse in the Labour vote over the past few years makes this patently clear. The 'anyone but BNP' approach helps ensure that the conditions that are producing the BNP are going to remain in place. So we're back at square one. And it allows the BNP to make all the running as the anti-establishment party during a once-in-a-lifetime time opportunity for anti-establishment parties to make a real breakthrough.
The way to undercut this is to work towards dealing with the root causes of the BNP support: in particular, the political abandonment of much of the working class in pursuit of the narrow section of the electorate classified as 'swing voters'. Parties have privileged the interests of a section of the electorate that rarely shares the same interests as 'core' Labour voters in working-class areas. And this has led to the setting of parts of the same communities at each other's throats in the fight for resources under the name of multiculturalism; the closing down of schools and hospitals; wages being driven down; debt; sub-standard housing; rising rents; under-funded services - all the conditions of our social life being attacked and commercialised by a class that has shown itself incapable, in the most basic terms, of being able to run the system for the benefit of all. This is what needs to be challenged as a priority, not people's reactions to those planned and deliberate failures known as neoliberalism.
And this is where pro-status quo anti-fascism is falling down and demonstrating both a misunderstanding of where we are today and a real lack of political courage. A call to 'vote to stop the BNP' is, in most areas where it is raised, a barely-disguised call to vote Labour. That is why the unions are funding the millions of leaflets delivered by Hope Not Hate. (We can dismiss the suggestion that this slogan is also a call to vote Green. The BNP and Greens are not competing for the same vote. Nor need we dwell on those areas where the slogan translates into voting Tory or Lib Dem beyond imagining how an implied call to 'Vote Thatcher to stop the National Front!' would have been met.) An anti-fascism tied to support for the parties that have imposed the conditions people are protesting against is a failing anti-fascism. It is sacrificing all credibility by joining hands with the very establishment that people are so fed up with.
The combined party membership of mainstream parties has dropped from more than three million in the 1960s to barely half a million today and it is still falling. In conditions where large sections of the electorate are abandoning all the mainstream parties, for anti-fascists not to be supporting or initiating local projects that are prepared to confront rather than support the Labour Party is to politically abandon those communities to the BNP.
No platform?
Other aspects of current anti-fascist activism should also be questioned. This includes the widespread policy of 'no platform for fascists'. Following the egging of Nick Griffin on College Green, at Westminster, the day after his election as an MEP, it has become evident that - beyond the confines of those who are already politically opposed to the BNP - 'no platform' has very little popular support.
In a country where the myths of democracy and freedom have a great hold over the public political imagination, a 'no platform' approach to the BNP is dangerous in a number of ways. First, via the functioning of that democratic myth, it associates the left with authoritarianism, violence and telling people what they can and cannot hear or read - exactly the sort of high-handed arrogance that is leading many people to reject the mainstream parties. Second, it acts as cover and support for top-down or state-led manoeuvres such as the closure of the BNP's bank accounts by Barclays, which led to a Palestinian solidarity account being closed as well, or the plans by the Equality and Human Rights Commission to investigate the party's constitution and membership rules.
How easy would it be to turn these initiatives against us? Already there are calls for a Berufsverbot for public sector workers, banning BNP members from those professions. This plays directly into the hands of the establishment. Of course, a community-led and supported refusal to allow the BNP to operate in their area is a very different matter, but we're currently seeing a top-down version of 'no platform' substituted for this effective grass-roots one.
On a related note, Love Music Hate Racism (LMHR) is an attempt to continue the cultural fight of the Anti-Nazi League and Rock Against Racism by holding music festivals and similar events. Again, questions need to be asked. The problem is that today they simply attract those who are already against the BNP. In the past they were real arenas of conflict, battlegrounds for the hearts of young people. Today that context no longer exists and the far right has no hold over the young - it lost that battle years ago. Energy and resources channelled into LMHR would be better off directed at helping to deal with the problems working-class communities face as part and parcel of squeezing the BNP.
Missing the real danger
What all the current anti-fascist approaches have in common is that they miss the real danger. This doesn't lie in the BNP taking power, in the possibility of concentration camps or any of the other scare stories we've been hearing recently. It lies more immediately in the far right colonising the anti-mainstream vote and developing party loyalty, thereby blocking the development of an independent working-class politics capable of defending our conditions and challenging neoliberalism.
The BNP's politics is being normalised, with the consequent racialisation of social issues and a massive shift to the right. Each step they take forwards knocks the 'left' backwards. This represents an immense defeat for the left - one that could take us decades to recover from and leave us as outsiders (even more so than today) in working-class communities, the very places that we all recognise as being key to real social change. That is what will happen unless the job of defending the needs of those communities is seriously taken on and our counter-productive, outdated 'anti-fascism' is discarded.
I offer a few positive suggestions towards a new approach.
1 Community unions
We could form 'community unions', unconnected to Labour, possibly funded by trade unions but with organisational independence assured, that would work directly on helping to meet the needs of those politically abandoned working-class communities where conditions are deteriorating by the day. These would be based around the self-identified needs and plans of those communities - which can only pit them head-to-head against the BNP and the political mainstream.
The types of small victories that can be won on this terrain should be viewed not only as being worthwhile in themselves, but also as contributing to the re-emergence of community confidence in political self-assertion, the necessary first steps towards achieving further-reaching change. There are already existing groups engaged in this sort of practical activity, such as the London Coalition Against Poverty, Haringey Solidarity and the Oxford and Islington Working Class Associations (see Red Pepper Oct/Nov 2007).
The need for these to be open membership union-type organisations rather than party membership-type groups is a simple practical one. People will join unions at work as they recognise collective needs that exist over and above the heads of political disagreements, and the same is true of community needs. And once there is widespread identification (even passive) of the needs of an area/workplace with the existence of a union it becomes very hard to shift; that identification becomes a power in itself. Parties are too narrow to play this role under today's conditions - they exist on a different level - but there is no reason why they cannot play a role within these broader open groups.
2 Focus on policy
We should develop the 'expose them' model into one that, instead of revealing ineffective details about individuals, concentrates on why their polices will not deal with the social problems driving people into their arms. If we cannot make this clear to those already intensely concerned with these issues then our propaganda is failing and is at best talking to those who would never vote BNP anyway. This will require a direct challenge to Searchlight/UAF and other mainstream anti-fascists as they continue to empty their publications of all but the most inane type of content criticised above. This, of course, needs to be linked to the activity of the 'community union' type groups mentioned above.
3 Abandon Labour
Searchlight need to abandon their default pro-Labour position and use their existing networks and resources to get behind local campaigns, actively challenging the conditions that are breeding support for the far right. (This seems unlikely to happen.)
4 End the marches
Stop the marches, labelling, shouting, and so on. Marching into an area that you do not know and have no continuing interest in and shouting what's right for that area is alienating and counter-productive. People do not like being told what's best for them and will kick back against or simply ignore this sort of activity.
All of this can be performed without capitulating to racism and without writing off vast swathes of the population. It has to be.

 http://www.redpepper.org.uk/Anti-fascism-isn-t-working

now everyone listens to golgathar 23.Sep.2010 23:47

HEXERGEIST

thanks for the exposure.

antifa.. 24.Sep.2010 10:34

advice

As an antifascist in our community I dont see the purpose of this article. What is the goal of this or the outcome you want ? Do you think about your actions and the purpose or are you just organizing and writing these types of articles as a form of self gratification? How does this type of organizing and action benefit our community? I feel like your tactics and organizing are fruitless and lack a greater purpose. It seems probable that the small amount of people that listen to these bands know they reek of racism (etc).You have done nothing but give more people the tools to get involved in this music scene and the bonehead community. You essentially promoted this hate music to a wider audience. I suggest you take a break from your washed up and overly used organizing and actions (the outings that accomplish nothing etc etc)and start thinking about actions that will serve a long term goal and benefit our community. You have been massively criticized by the left in our community for sometime now, perhaps it is because of lazy organizing such as this? Get your s*it together RCA you are quickly approaching has-been status.

Why dont you 25.Sep.2010 00:51

NinaC

Put your picture up here!!
Put your real name up here!!
Put where you work or go to school up here!!

No?
Why not?


So it´s ok for you to attack people and post their private info but you wont post yours....




And I´m pretty sure this comment wont ever show up on your page,or if it does it will be gone pretty fast.

Don't kid yourself 25.Sep.2010 05:12

lol

I.P. Your friend Greg has voiced his concern that he wishes it to be known that he only attended the Volksfront event to support the band. Your hypocrisy is showing. It's the standard play to say "ohh... we don't care that you exposed us, anyone can do that with Google". The fact is, that some of you have been pretty careless with your identities and now you will have a difficult time finding a job because you've made yourself look like an idiot on the internet. Full Name: Lehr Jr, Gregory D. Email Addresses: waldkrieger88@yahoo.com schwarzwaldkrieger@hotmail.com Online Usernames: waldvater, schwarzwaldkrieger, waldkrieger88 Online Profiles: http://www.youtube.com/user/schwarzwaldkrieger http://darthvengeant.deviantart.com/gallery/ http://darthvengeant.livejournal.com/profile http://www.facebook.com/notes/waldvater/ Enjoys: star wars, pet rats, posing with a lifelike mannequin/doll thing for self-taken photographs. Home Address: 5522 SE Bush Street Portland, OR 97206 Birthday: June 29, 1974 Phone: (503) 452-0890 Full Name: Endicott, Justin Online Profiles: http://s1019.photobucket.com/home/volkstahl/index http://www.amazon.com/gp/pdp/profile/A3DE98IZ5E5GJ5/ http://www.facebook.com/profile.php?id=646163207 Birthday: April 2 Mom: Kathy Home Addresses: 521 Montgomery St, SE Albany, OR 97321 421 11th Ave, SW Albany, OR 97321 3510 Oak St, SE Albany, OR 97321 2151 Three Lakes Rd, SE Albany, OR 97321 Phone Numbers: (541) 928-3248 (541) 791-1046

Update 25.Sep.2010 05:56

P.P.

It is intersting to note that Immortal Pride is working on a split cd with the Albany New York NSBM band Ravensbruck who take their name from a nazi death camp. The split is supposed to come out around Feb. 2011

Actually, I.P. 25.Sep.2010 16:29

oh hi, my name is german too.

The definition of EXPOSE is as follows:
To subject or allow to be subjected to an action, influence, or condition.

Therefore, two kinds of exposure have happened here. One, I have been exposed to information about your band and the individuals in it. Two, you have been exposed by the act of this article being published, because you are being subjected to the action of the person who wrote it.

So..yeah, being exposed via Google search could happen (it probably already has, much to your pleasure), BUT it's not the only way.

Check your rebuttle before you make it, so it can't be discredited.

Small minds/Loud mouths 25.Sep.2010 17:30

W.V.

The Statement of Ideological Independence is "essentially meaningless" to you, and to those like you, for the simple reason that it does not mesh well with the conclusions you already formed in your state of limited understanding.

My response is thus dismissed as "pretention" and "bullshit," because you feel the word "Nazi" is supposed to apply to all of your enemies, equally. That makes your "work" easier, after all. The assigned shoe must fit, and protest to the contrary is not tolerated. Organizations such as yours routinely condemn sweeping condemnations such as these, yet you're curiously swift to employ them.

The word "Nazi" has a far different meaning for you and for most of the world, obviously, than it does for those of us with a deeper understanding of this title. For you, it is an effective slur designed to strategically terminate debate, as it is a word which has (thanks to conformist history), over the course of sixty-odd years now, become inextricably bound to the subject of intolerance, race-hatred and genocide.

For those of us, however, who know that Hitler befriended men like Mohammed Amin al-Husseini and Subhas Chandra Bose, and that the German National Socialists who made up a minority in their own military force fought side by side with Slavonic peoples, with Arabs, with Jews, with the Japanese, with Tibetans, with Indians, with Muslims of various countries, et cetera, the accusations of intolerance and race-hatred do not seem so straight-forward. The assigned shoe, again, does not quite fit.

Additionally, for those of us who do not blindly trust every aspect of establishment history - which of course includes the subject of "the Holocaust" - the subject of genocide in the Second World War is, for us anyhow, a rather complex and inconclusive matter. Ours is a question of numbers and methods, and if what we've been taught has proven problematic when weighed against the facts, then we demand our freedom of inquiry. We feel that a great deal of deception and manipulation certainly lead to the foundation of the state of Israel, and that "the Holocaust" has, for more than sixty years now, been utilized as a shield of immunity from deserved international criticism whilst the knotted club of the Israeli government and military carry out the ongoing ethnic-cleansing and quite verifiable genocide of the Palestinian people (not to mention, the emotional extortion of anywhere from $3BN-$20BN per annua in trade compacts, economic assistance, and state of the art military provisions from the United States alone).

What about the Soviet-imposed Ukrainian famine which killed 11 million innocent men, women, and children before the Second World War even began? Your Communist heroes have the blood of 100 million on their hands. I notice you don't seem concerned with justice with regards to this chapter. What about German civilians who were ethnically-cleansed, starved, beaten, raped, tortured, and murdered for no other crime than being among the vanquished and the expelled? Is it only the alleged figures of Jewish losses which merit remembrance or which call for justice?

You refer to us as "deniers," but we feel that further study and investigation, both past and present, can only bring us closer to the truth on all matters. We notice, however, that there are rather strict laws in many countries around the world which prevent free and open debate concerning the issue of "the Holocaust" -- and we notice that no other chapter of history is treated with such a peculiar degree of care and caution, and that naturally leads us to question "why?" While you and your comrades find it fashionable to condemn the establishment (gee, that's oh so punk), you embrace establishment history, provided it reinforces your inherited positions -- i.e., that the White man is the eternal aggressor, warlord, treaty-breaker, Earth-fucker, rapist, oppressor, plague-wielder, et cetera, while the rest of humanity were presumably living in peace and harmony until we entered the scene. Anything that defies this narrative is rejected as "denial" -- so what value does this word have? What value should it have?

But back to the issue of the "Nazi" accusation... Do you think the word "Jew" means the same thing to every Jew as it does to an anti-Zionist (what people like you translate to mean "anti-Semite," though Jews, too, can obviously be anti-Zionists)? You call yourself an anti-Fascist, thinking this is equivalent to anti-Nazi. Do you think we share the same definition when it comes to either of these labels? Is it not possible that what "Nazi" means to you has absolutely nothing to do with our definition? To me and mine, these titles have posed a problem - and not because losers like you have employed them to "out" people for their personal beliefs, but simply because you and your vocal yet anonymous organization don't understand what we sincerely believe to begin with. Titles, in this and many other instances, pose a problem because they lead to misunderstandings. They are too vague. Too broad, yet too restrictive. They've come to encompass too many contrasting personalities and too many conflicting forms, so they serve no purpose, whatsoever, except for organizations like yours which utilize these titles as a convenient means to pigeonhole us with the rest of your enemies. It's your way of herding us into an altogether different form of camp.

As for Metapedia -- it has nothing to do with Eldrig or with Fanisk. They're not the authority on our music, and I would be positively shocked if they claimed they were. As with Wikipedia, people post what they please - including misinterpretations. As for Eastside and Supernal, we're proud to have worked with them. Nevertheless, these labels do not represent our music anymore than our music represents these labels. There are points of overlap, philosophically, but each operates independently. We represent ourselves. Is it so strange to you that we each have our own ideas and our own paths, and that even within a single band, not every member is an exact ideological or philosophical clone of the next?

So glad you pasted in my words to the Metal Archives. Indeed: "[P]eople who do not grasp that NS was/is infinitely more than petty, worldly politics had begun to mistake us for low-brow propagandists" -- yourselves included.

Do you really think the symbol of the Back Sun arrived and departed with "Nazi mysticism"? Do you know nothing of the Hermetic and alchemical origins of these symbols, or their antiquity (as with the most ancient symbol of the Sunwheel gracing the cover-art for "Noontide")?

"Propaganda" is your game, "Bernays." The "Big Lie" is your truth - not ours. It is inconceivable, to you, that we're doing this for ourselves, for our ancestors, and for an unborn generation - and that above all, anyone who needs to be "recruited" is not worthy of illumination. We're not fucking missionaries. That's not our world. We aren't interested in setting up tables and merchandising our ideals like you do. We're not sheepherders. We're not looking for easily won fans or followers who can be swept this way or that by the next moderate breeze. Those who are on the path find precisely who and what they are ripe to find, and at precisely the right time. Fuck propaganda and fuck your long list of misconceptions.

You quote someone else concerning a sample in an album you've never even heard. I don't suppose you know (or care) what those samples say, do you?

If Resistance carried albums originally released on Unholy, and that was one of the only sources to obtain the album in the U.S. at that time, then why wouldn't Eldrig make this clear? Do you think the record producers of, say, Warner, Interscope, or EMI sit around listening to the "Gangsta Rap" albums they produce, or that Ice Cube is "down" with the white collar executives that release his albums? Likewise, do you think we're "best friends forever" with every god damned record label who happens to distro one of our albums? Write Erich Gliebe yourself and ask him if Fanisk ever signed anything whatsoever to the Resistance label, or if it was, as I already made clear, to Unholy Records. The two are not identical, and we, before anyone else, would surely know who released our album.

You mention the Ironlight blog's "damning" links to the Racial Nationalist Library, National Socialist Worldview, and other unspecified so-called "anti-Semitic and 'Holocaust' denial sites" - but I notice you failed to mention links to sites such as Al Jazeera, Aloha Palestine, Antiwar, B'tselem, Electronic Intifada, Firefighters for 9/11 Truth, Gilad Atzmon, Israel Shamir, James Petras, Nation of Islam's "Jewish Role in the Slave Trade", Mahmoud Ahmadinejad, Norman Finkelstein, Philip Weiss, Russia Today, Tehran Times, Tony Martin, Uri Avnery, or Uruknet Middle eastern News. Is there a tactical reason you failed to mention these, perhaps? A whole lot of Semites here in this list, you know. I guess that wouldn't mesh well, though -- yet again -- with the conclusions you already formed in your state of limited understanding.

I think it is perfectly clear, furthermore, that you do not care to understand. For you, it is enough of an "offense" that I am a White man who honors my ancestral heritage and who intends to survive and prosper, come what may. You have therefore attacked me, anonymously, based on selective information. You have exposed individuals of good character, and you've done so while hiding like a coward in the shadows. Everyone sees this but you, and thus nothing you have to say here or elsewhere carries any weight. Even the average and uninformed people who might happen upon this sad little "report" of yours don't respect cowards.

It is, of course, ironic that you have anything to say about the Third Reich (what would you know about the subject, anyhow?) whilst engaging in tactics you claim to oppose. As for "moaning," isn't that what your organization is all about? WAAAAAntifa...

It has already been explained to you that Greg filled-in as a session drummer for Immortal Pride on literally one occasion. Greg isn't in our band, and we aren't in his. We don't speak for him, and he doesn't speak for us. With that said, do you really think an individual who filled in for another band entirely is somehow the spokesman for anything we do in our own band? Are you aware that Immortal Pride's first session-drummer was an African-American, by the way? Does that somehow make Fanisk the New Black Panther Party? I already explained to you that we are not affiliated in any way, shape or form with Immortal Pride or any of the organizations you've mentioned here. I guess it's as good a time as any to mention that Sun Ra was once my friend on Myspace as well. That doesn't mean I'm a member of his fucking Arkestra, or that we've resurrected his ghost to play on the next Fanisk album.

Small minds. Loud mouths. A lack of spines. Worthless conclusions. That's what I'm confronted with here. (Yawn)

-W.

PROUD of my German heritage too! 26.Sep.2010 00:23

oh hi

"We notice, however, that there are rather strict laws in many countries around the world which prevent free and open debate concerning the issue of "the Holocaust" -- and we notice that no other chapter of history is treated with such a peculiar degree of care and caution, and that naturally leads us to question "why?" " -W.

Why?
Let me pose another question to make the answer to yours painfully clear. Do you hear people running around say "oh fuck, slavery.. boo hoo, it was so long ago and we weren't even there" or "burma..those monks wanted to die anyways"? NO, no, you don't. Not often at least.

Want to know WHY?
BECAUSE WE HAVE RESPECT FOR THE DEAD. Regardless of how they died, or who orchestrated it, or who was inside pulling strings to form the state of Israel (see also: the british), we respect that about 11 million people were wiped off this earth in a relatively short period of time. Not just jews, but romani, german, homosexual, polish, and many other people.
If they weren't killed, then where did they go? Why shouldn't we be sad that they are missing, if nothing else?

This reason, coupled with the fact that it hasn't even been 70 years since WW2, would be pretty good reasons to still be respectful about the atrocities that occurred.
Yes, there are other awful things that have happened more recently that are ignored in the media and aren't given a fair amount of care in our society, but that does not diminish the past.
People are alive in this world who have had entire bloodlines wiped out, and if you can't respect that because of some backwards pride, why would you expect respect in return?

-L.W.

Re: "PROUD..." (Never said anything about German heritage, though) 26.Sep.2010 06:45

W.V.

I see that you've answered my question with an altogether different question (i.e., dodged it), and then proceeded to answer your own question. For the record, though, you've made nothing "painfully clear" in the process, and your words only laid bare a poor comprehension of my personal historical perspectives.

In the first place, let me emphasize that not all revisionists have arrived at the same conclusions (and I use the word "conclusions" with some reluctance here). In fact, very few have. There is no singular revisionist "authority," no comprehensive, all-inclusive revisionist "manual." There is a limited degree of consensus among the more critical thinkers around the world, but there are also enduring debates across the spectrum. As far as I'm concerned, though, there should be such debates. There should be an ongoing clash of data, of evidence, and of sober perspectives, because over the course of time, this is precisely what is going to root out the faulty hypotheses of the last century and bring us closer to the truth, whether the world is ready to accept our findings or not. (Then again, it was not so very long ago that the world was unprepared for the theories of men like Kepler, Copernicus, or Galileo -- and it is good to remember that the Heliocentric models they developed were not an end in and of themselves, but lead successive generations toward a fuller understanding of the universe.)

To quote Professor Faurisson: "Revisionism is not an ideology. It is a method of working. It is the process of checking, and double-checking, views which are generally accepted."

"[G]enerally accepted" ought not be mistaken for unapproachable, unchallengeable, eternal rectitude. It might work like that in your world, but not mine. Whatever your personal views may be, and however many might agree with you, historical truth isn't a popularity contest. It isn't weighed according to the whim or will of fluctuating numbers. It is determined by hard evidence, as opposed to transient temperatures or the personal emotional attachments of this or that howling mob. And you may certainly imprison the people who happen to think and feel and say the kinds of things which rub you the wrong way (it happens every day in many parts of the world), but do remember that you cannot destroy the value of their work or the essence of their labor toward the truth. Even if, in the end, such thinkers are proven wrong, they have the right to inquire and to follow their own course into the unknown. That risk is how one earns the light.

But back to what was supposedly made "painfully clear."

Despite the assertions of your tangent, I by no means rejoice in the institution of slavery, and I am sympathetic to the monks of the Saffron Revolution. You would develop a stronger understanding of my disgust for slavery as well as the conditions which caused the crisis in Myanmar if you read each and every article on the Ironlight blog - but I don't suppose you care to know what I (or those like me) truly think about the world. It's easier, by far, to tar a "Nazi" and call it a day.

I most certainly do have respect for the dead (ALL CAPS, UNNECESSARY). Such respect constitutes the foundation of my sense of responsibility toward historical truth. It just so happens that the figure of "6,000,000" dead (which even hard-line "Holocaust" historians have steadily, but quietly, revised downward amongst themselves) encompasses more than Jewish losses alone, and that the outcome of this singular chapter of apparently sacred and unassailable history (irrespective of significant problems posed by the established narrative) has had undeniable consequences for the entire planet up to the present hour. Many of these consequences continue to unfold because a collective fear of asking unpopular questions (or worse, voicing unpopular findings) now cleverly masquerades as "respect for the dead."

It is of vital importance that we understand the cause and effect of ALL worldly conflicts. And it is, of course, important that the search for truth be tempered with respect for both the living and dead. This is a matter which anthropologists and archaeologists routinely weigh. But if that respect were sincere and total, it would welcome further investigation rather than the ongoing persecution and prosecution of the free spirit of inquiry we witness today. Remarkably, the world seems to forget that millions of Gentiles perished in the course of the conflicts of the 20th century as well, and not all - in fact, comparatively few - of these deaths were the result of the worldview under attack here in this thread. On the contrary, it continues to astound me that those who initiated this attack and who continue to scream bloody murder are a particularly violent and evidently psychologically deranged strain of Social-Marxists. I guess they don't know their own history.

If you sincerely respect the dead, then the matter of how they died ought certainly to be a matter of consequence. I would think that the details would be of interest to you or to anyone who cared to understand. If you sincerely respect the dead, then those who orchestrated their deaths, as well, ought certainly to be a matter of consequence. ("There is no truth existing which I fear, or would wish unknown to the whole world".)

It is good, by the way, that you bring up the British with regards to the foundation of the Zionist occupation regime, because I suspect you will have encountered the subject of Balfour Declaration if you've done your homework. That might explain why the Treaty of Versailles was not considered, by many in post-WWI Germany, to be the first Zionist blade in the back. As for the question of "where did they go?" - this is, of course, a valid question -- and one which, when asked in the correct state of mind, leads to revisionism. I think a better question is, where is the alleged murder weapon which constitutes the backbone of the entire "Holocaust" narrative. The truth, though hard won, may resolve some of your sadness in the end. I'm not going to turn this thread into a reading list, but I would advise you to seek out and read "A Factual Appraisal of the Holocaust by the Red Cross" to answer this, and other, questions you might have. It isn't terribly difficult to find or verify.

Lastly, if you knew anything of substance about me or those I actually associate with (as opposed to erroneous affiliations laid out by my careless and cowardly detractors), you would know that I am not a man of "backwards pride." I know that casting stones is a little easier when you arrive at premature judgments, but I'm not sure how that is supposed to counter a purported "lack of respect" here or elsewhere. Respect where due.

Very Good, Will You Expose the Zionist Fascists Next? 26.Sep.2010 20:21

sd

I'm all for exposing fascists. Good job! However, when will you expose the Zionist Fascists in our midst?

Who is the Facist here? 27.Sep.2010 01:14

Trial

You are the ones who make not much sense.

Invading peoples personal spaces online and then posting all in a slanderous destructive manner. Nearly hacking into Waldvater.net and obtaining personal files and pictures (which is obvious you have been doing by a previous post) without the owners permission. Do you pay for that site? So, what gives you a right to dabble into his personal webpage? That sounds quite intrusively criminal to me. What about this posting addresses, phone numbers, past history, etc. Can you not see the wrong you are doing? I fail to see what you think gives you this right.

So, I am curious. WHERE has ANY crime been committed by the accused? What exactly are you trying to prove here other than you have absolutely nothing better to do than attack people you do not even personally know and set on your computer all hours "compiling" your little shockumentary here? I repeat, what crime have the accused EVER committed? What are your trying to "root out"? From what I have read, they are not criminals and do not participate in those kind of activities.

This all sounds exactly like Facism to me, what has transpired here. Sectioning out a group of people and scapegoating them to push your own agenda. The very thing you claim to be "rooting out", when nothing exactly wrong has been done by them other than playing music and having their own personal opinions and lives. I fail to see exactly what you are fighting against here. Where is the criminality? What did they do to you or anyone at all for that matter?

You put them on some "watch list" like they are Terrorists and Criminals when they have done nothing of the sort.

You seem to be the criminal here, not them. Your actions here are proving that with each new intrusive post.

I remind you, we live in a "diverse" society, and that also applies to the accused. From what I have seen on this site it is quite Liberal or Leftist, which is part of the freedom we all share as Americans. I was under the impression you fought for tolerance and diversity? But, what you are doing here in this page and article goes against that completely. You seem to be "rooting out" people who have not done a single thing worth honestly "exposing".

I recall many Liberals being against the George Bush privacy intrusions because people were believed to be Islamic Terrorists. It was said that was an infringement on their personal privacy and lives. Invading their lives and phones to gather "information". And, much "information" is speculative as well. I do not see how you could be against that, but do that exact thing to these people here.

I find this whole charade sad and intrusive. If this is the kind of world you want to promote then I want no part of it.

Not all black metal is bad 29.Sep.2010 11:16

Nazi Scum Blood Monger

Anti-fa and anarchist black metal can be awesome. Fight Black metal with black metal!

 http://r-a-b-m.blogspot.com/

Source? 29.Sep.2010 16:40

Ronny Lawson

What is your source for those lyrics? I can't find them online.

real black metal is about SATAN 29.Sep.2010 21:45

!

I always like it when some people try to write the history of black metal without really understanding it. Real black metal has always been about Satan, period!

The stuff from Norway was always trendy and it still is as it can be found at HOT TOPIC. Singing about nature and forests is more like folk metal stuff and is not real black metal. Anarchist black metal is a joke just as black metal singing about rascist crap is also a joke.

Its a shame that the word black metal can now refer to all kinds of crap that isn't really black metal. Real black metal is WAR METAL and is about SATAN. Its amusing how everyone copies the half baked history of black metal from the book Lords Of Chaos. If you base what you know off of that book than you obviously don't know anything about real black metal.

When politics don't belong in black metal that certainly goes for right wing nazi crap.

one more thing 29.Sep.2010 22:22

!

Some of the first black metal bands that never get mentioned in books like Lords of Chaos came from The Czech Republic, Germany, Canada, and yes THE US and no its not just VON. Of course there was also Bathory from Sweden. There was no second wave of black metal that exclusively came out of Norway. There was black metal from all over the world that had it going on, but it was the Norwegian bands that started to get all the mainstream attention in the 90's.

It was later on that tons of trendy goofballs started to emulate the Norwegian bands while having delusions that Norwegian black metal is somehow underground. Its not. Its deffinately very mainstream. The Norwegian black metal bands were always the worst and the most trendy. Its funny when that is all that so many people know about when they talk about black metal. Its that crappy, trendy, comical, above ground, 90's Norwegian style that anarchist and rascist black metal both copy.

AVE SATANAS!!!! HAIL SATAN!!!!!!!!!!!!

? 30.Sep.2010 11:59

?

If you listen to black metal and dont hate jews you're a homo. If you listen to black metal and side with antifa you a homo.

and another thing 30.Sep.2010 14:06

!

If you listen to or play black metal without praising Satan then you don't know what's up with real black metal. Real black metal is evil abusive chaotic noise that is too much to handle for fans of the weak trendy crap that is passed of as being somehow "true." Real black metal is far more savage sounding and is all about SATAN!!!!

But this day and age the only real black metal is WAR METAL!!!!! All the weaker stuff is inferior. It is also has nothing to do with racism. Nor does it have anything to do with anarchism.

and another little thing 30.Sep.2010 14:15

!

There was no second wave of black metal. If you beleive that then you don't know anything about real underground cult black metal. It was always there in various countries all over the world.

Has anyone else noticed? 30.Sep.2010 15:34

WillVith

This article, in particular, has "vanished" about seven or eight times now. Anyone who took the time to read it knows exactly why.

"[I]t is elementary that freedom of expression (including academic freedom) is not to be restricted to views of which one approves, and that it is precisely in the case of views that are almost universally despised and condemned that this right must be most vigorously defended." -Noam Chomsky

S.D.,

Exposing Zionist Fascists in the Pacific Northwest would involve Antifa, as well as their handlers, revealing their true identities. Don't count on this happening any time soon -- not voluntarily, anyhow -- for it is evident that they are working hand-in-hand with a select breed of establishment suits whose salaries are dependent upon the continuity of "anti-Semitism" (fact or fable). They NEED the very thing they claim to oppose. They NEED intolerance (and my, how it shows). They NEED us (or whoever they would have us be) like the Church NEEDS its "devils" 2,000 years on. Si diable n'existait pas, il faudrait l'inventer! And, as the saying goes, "necessity is the mother of invention."

If a mainstream organization, or even some rag-tag clique of masked nobodies under its oversight, need to look busy in order to maintain financial support (or merely in order to grant some semblance of meaning to an otherwise tepid existence), then they're going to get as much mileage out of "anti-Semitism" as they possibly can. I recommend viewing "Defamation" -- an excellent film by Israeli documentarian Yoav Shamir, for a more lucid illustration of this particular point. They're going to whip that fucking horse like their lives depended upon it (isn't that the sight which drove Nietzsche "mad"?). Believe me -- even the most uninteresting dolts can build a superhero's résumé chasing specters and hunting "devils." Look at the fraud$ter/inqui$itor, Wiesenthal, for example.

The funny thing is, I -- the wicked "neo-Nazi" (and those like me around the globe) -- am apparently far more sincere in terms of libertarian perspectives than any of the Reds or so-called Anarchists of this beautiful city. I've known of the existence of Antifa and like-minded cliques for over half my lifetime, and I never once considered stalking them, tracking their activities, compiling intelligence reports on their respective members, making public the private details of their lives or their personal interests, shadowing their gatherings, getting them terminated from their places of employment (or instruction), getting them evicted from their residences, ascertaining and leafletting their neighborhoods with defamatory and erroneous propaganda, harassing or attacking them in any way, shape or form, whatsoever. Art is my offense. Stalking people, obsessing, harassing and sifting over the endless minutiae of their lives -- even those whose perspectives I positively detest -- has never (as in, not once) occurred to me. Call me "crazy," but I personally consider that more than a little weird, creepy, and above all, cowardly -- particularly because it is done in the shadows. It is frankly psychopathic, and such wretches need only face a full-scale mirror to condemn the nearest (and sincerest) devil.

Those who "expose" others ought not to hide. What is there to hide? To hide is to cower. Is it not better to duel with open vizor? There is, after all, a bold distinction between discretion and cloaked assassination -- and THIS is precisely what all have witnessed here. Antifa lack the courage of their convictions, and until I'm proven wrong by way of full disclosure, I'm confident their "revolutionary" credentials will continue to plummet as they should.

Way it goes.

where do they get all these photos and info? 01.Oct.2010 14:25

!

I wonder where some people who seek to expose others for having certain views are getting all of these photos, addresses, phone numbers, etc. I'm not into racism or anarchism; I'm into SATAN, but I do find it kind of strange how some people seem to know every detail about some people's lives who hold certain views.

On some band websites people will post pictures and they can certainly be found in zines or whatever, but that's usually as far as it goes. Names are usually found as well, but I wonder where some people find out about all the personal details about people's lives with whom they have a difference of opinion with.

WillVith: You (and your liberal bigot supporters) Still Don't Get It 01.Oct.2010 15:37

notabigot

Quoting Chomsky to defend your bigotry shows that you don't understand the most basic anarchist notion.

It's the ability of the STATE to determine historical truth that Chomsky opposes. But Chomsky, like any other progressive (not the "progressive" poseurs who write regularly on indy) is not a holocaust denier or a bigot, and he does not support Nazis.

Chomsky 02.Oct.2010 02:32

Kabin Goy

Notabigot - your name sounds a little like you've got something to prove. Are you perhaps afraid that if you didn't give yourself a title, the world might not know exactly where you stand? Or maybe you, yourself, would forget as well? Are your actions so ambiguously bigoted that you have to remind yourself by looking at your name-tag? It's kind of like with Antifa, huh? "Wait, what are we again? Oh yeah -- antifascists. We're the good guys, and they're the bad guys."

As for Chomsky -- no shit he's not a "holocaust denier or a bigot, and he does not support Nazis" (not that these three naughty words are by any means synonymous, though). Nobody suggested he was. On the contrary! The whole value of the quote was to emphasize that one needn't agree with another man's point of views in order to defend his right to think them or express them. That's freedom. If you prefer authoritarian government, quit hiding behind a big A, and accept what you are: Red like your hands.

"Interestingly," it is the so-called "holocaust deniers, bigots, and/or Nazis" here who have been attacked by people pretending to be Anarchists and egalitarians, etc. It is hilarious that you fail to see the irony. It is also comical that the villains in this entire equation (or at least a few of them here?) are apparently more well-versed in Chomsky's work, more faithful to Libertarian perspectives, and know more about the Marxist infiltration and hijacking of the Anarchist movement than you seem to grasp. The take-over came before your time, and has been so complete that you don't even know what an Anarchist is.

"Anarchist notions"... Hahaha. It's far easier to say what an Anarchist is NOT than what one is.

NO AUTHORITY BUT YOURSELF. Got it? No? Well... Can't say anyone's surprised. Get the black off that red flag. It doesn't belong.

real raging debate (LOL!!!) 02.Oct.2010 18:59

!

Where are the hordes of "anarchists" commenting on Indy Media? hah. Face it, they got turned off by Indy Media awhile back. All this article is going to do is make Immortal Pride look better than the one who wrote this thing on NSBM in Oregon. With so many people divided in the activist scene I doubt Immortal Pride will have much to worry about.

Not that I'm into "NSBM" and nor is Immortal Pride's style my cup of tea. Black war metal and NSBM are two very different worlds. I won't be doing any shows with Immortal Pride nor will I be one of their new fans or anything, but I don't see this article on Indy Media as having any real effect besides giving them a few new fans.

JUSTIN ENICOTT (REAL LAST NAME GARCIA) ISN'T EVEN WHITE. 28.Oct.2010 20:13

...

Justin Endicott's biological father is a full-blooded Mexican who's last name is Garcia.
The statement in the original post about his violence towards women ("Justin Endicott has an ugly history of violence against women") is very true. Ironic that the women he's beaten have all been Caucasian?

Mexican? 29.Oct.2010 22:32

Mr. Endicott's proud fiance

Justin's biological father was born in Spain to Celtic & Iberian parents, far from Mestizo stock.

Aside from the painfully obvious origins of this "bombshell", it's author obviously holds a deep seeded resentment against him for reasons that are quite apparent, given the identity of said author(who would do well to take a history class, and a geography course for good measure!)

He beats me every night, and I can't get enough...mmmm!

Mexican? 30.Oct.2010 00:02

Mr. "ENICOTT"'s fiance

Justin's father was born in Spain to Celtic and Iberian parents.

I'm no geography scholar but I'm fairly certain that Europe is not connected to Mexico.

Judging from the misspelled word and hostile overtones of this "smear", it not hard to deduct who posted that comment.

He does beat me daily though, usually in bed or on the couch.. and I love it :)

Antifa-ism Is 27.Nov.2010 16:39

Free Human

I've never heard of Antifa before today because, well, I am my own leader. After reading what I could, I think I've come to understand your core motivation - fascism is bad... racism is bad.

Slander is bad too. The myriad of judgmental dysfunction surrounding a swarm of passionate dung-pokers is certainly a problem. I fear your machine refracts our first and most important freedom. And within, our freedom to hate.

Humans have problems. We hate others, we hate ourselves, we hate humans that hate. Good/bad, love/hate, god/satan, black/white, yin/yang, up/down... humans often don't keep their thoughts to themselves. Watchdog organizations like yours may be necessary to inform and, in extreme cases, represent an interest in 'good'. On the flipside, loose cannon finger pointing is bad. I have an example.

Antifa, through aggressive, impressed, complete power of its own and/or its supporters, has successfully FORCED the cancellation of a Black Metal music event. I don't know if this is a first or last, but this action certainly deserves attention. Claims of pro nazi motivations coupled with threats of physical action, criticism and suppression of freedom-based rights surround this Antifa-flavored outcome.

I know this band. Panzergod is not racist or pro nazi, period. Your information is incorrect. Your motivations are misguided. Your allegations border illegal activity. You should re-read the Bill of Rights. I see clearly that Antifa has, in reverse of its own direction, influenced a fascist action based on fear and lack of viable information. I am greatly disappointed and, as in rare occasions, support negative judgment on this action. Think what you will, but avoid Antifa's guidance as a reference.

Free Human

Too bad I'm a pacifist, because I'd love to murder a Nazi 11.Jan.2011 20:43

Crusty McGrindcorePunk

Some of you peices of shit think you're better than anyone just because of the goddamn color of your skin? And you think nationalist-socialism is a good idea? FUCK YOU. Everyone is born equal, the only things that make a person "worse" than anyone else are things like commiting acts of rape, holding bigoted ideals of any form (any racists, misogynists, or homophobes, you are scum), and killing someone (there are very rare exceptions to that last one, I see nothing wrong with, for example, killing someone who raped your girlfriend). And fuck your bullshit nationalist socialism, libertarian/anarcho-socialism is the way to go. I really hope RABM brings down NSBM soon, I am definitely an accepting and tolerant person, but not when it comes to ideals that shun the very idea of things like acceptance and tolerance. In the words of classic 90's Anarcho-Punkers Aus Rotten, FUCK NAZI SYMPATHY.

RE: I'm a pacifist, because I'd love to murder a Nazi 12.Jan.2011 09:37

open eyes

"...I'd love to murder a Nazi"

And in your Communist society, that it exactly what happens.
The MURDER of people who have a different opinion than you.
Sounds like a GREAT place to live.
Who is the real fascist again?

Good work! 21.Sep.2011 04:35

Johnathan

Excellent work here. It should also be noted that mst black metal in general is fascist whether they claim it to be or not. In general the hatred towards judeo christian/islam stems from hating anything of semitic origin and ironically even comes from self hating jews. The satanism aspect of the lyrics is quite mainstream hollywood, the satanism which they are so fond of promotes extreme selfishness and materialism above all things and even go as far as thinking that helping people in need is stupid(Isnt this whats wrong with the world today?).

To JONATHAN (above poster) 22.Sep.2011 16:03

a reasonable person

'Jonathan', your ignorance is appalling. Several people in the black metal scene (and I'm NOT referring to the people listed in this article) are incredibly caring, moral, and helpful people. If Black Metal is 'fascist in general', why are there people of color at almost every show sporting BM band logos, and WHY are they so accepted by others in the scene? Discriminate against those that have provoked judgment through blatant actions and words all you want, but don't hate an entire musical genre just because you heard that certain bands are portraying a certain message in their songs. There are all kinds of themes in all sorts of songs, in various genres. There are fascists/extremists in ALL musical genres, so are you going to start hating music in general now? Are you going to begin saying that no one is allowed to express themselves through music anymore? Or that they're only allowed to sound a certain way, and fit into a certain genre, if they want to avoid harassment? Who's the fascist here?
And, it's MUSIC. Entertainment. It affects different people in different ways on different levels, often depending on a person's specific experiences and mentality, kind of like films do. Just because someone likes watching murder mysteries doesn't mean they're a murderer.
Let people listen to what they want, psycho.