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Needless Killing Of a Mother Raccoon and Her Four Nursing Babies

Against the Law to relocate....... So I am told.
I am livid with anger and disbelief that there are such laws. I recently moved back to the great state of Oregon. HA. I am really thinking that I need to rethink that. I grew up an animal lover. the thought that an animal could be killed over nothing was just not heard of until I moved here. My mother is an animal lover too, but we have a family of raccoons living under our front porch and we also have five cats and the two do not mix. As of yet there has been no altercations between the animals but one never knows. Anyway I am too upset to write properly so I will just list the facts as I know them to be. 1. I do not want my cats to be hurt. 2. I get a little scared that the mother raccoon might think I am invading her space and attack me. 3. I have two Live animal traps. 4. I can buy more if need be. 5. I do not believe in killing any animal 6. There are many lakes streams and wooded areas that a relocated raccoon can live or die but not by mans hand 7. We called a professional to remove and relocate them and after we paid 200$(non-refundable) for the Critter Control company of Gresham Oregon to do so was I told that they will die. these poor infant raccoons and their mother will die and it will automatically cost $95 for the mom and $70 dollars for the litter plus $65 for each little critter. 8. I'm very pissed and the law as the critter people tell me states that we as humans are not allowed to be humane about the raccoons. We have to allow them to kill these poor helpless two week old coons. 9. I have never been in jail nor ever got so much as a traffic ticket but this is a law that I will break and if I am caught removing the animals and transporting these coons to a safe spot and I do get a ticket or go to jail I will fight. I will win. and I will let the whole world know just how stupid the laws for animals are. I mean really what would the charge be "fine for saving Raccoons from a needless cruel death. anyway I have been crying and fighting about this all day and I am tired so I am going to bed I will write more tomorrow if I can find the sight but if you want to know how things turn out e-mail me at makenzie.baade@yahoo.com

cancel the contract 24.Jul.2008 00:18

gk

Cannot you cancel the contract? If not, get traps before they do, the kind that just traps them live. Then relocate them yourself. Good luck and be careful!

'Coon Problem 24.Jul.2008 11:35

Den Mark, Vancouver

How was the company going to put the 'coons down? Just curious.

Relocating a raccoon to any old place in the wild is not humane. That species is not like elephants, which adopt each other into extended families. Raccoons are fiercely territorial & fight outsider animals, & fight viciously. Death by raccoon is not pleasant. A strange raccoon is bitten & torn apart by the gang that already has the territory, & most areas are in fact staked out.

Raccoons would be fun to have around in cities, because they're cute & clever, but they cannot behave. When they are around, other species suffer. Humans provide reasons why raccoons do well in cities & multiply far too much. Humans leave food out overnite for pets & do not store garbage properly.

One way to turn away raccoons is to get predator urine & spread a little around now & then. But that could keep other species away, too.

I wish raccoons could get along better with other species, but they cannot. Sort of like people.

Critter Control KILLS! 24.Jul.2008 16:55

They are NOT "humane"!!

Tell everyone you know.

I once saw a "Critter Control" truck parked outside a building in NW Portland. On the sides of the truck, it had all kinds of writing about how "humane" they are, how they use "live traps," and things like that. I thought, hey, cool! I wanted to know more. So I lingered around until the man driving the truck came back to it, and I asked him some questions. I thought it would be a good resource for people to be able to call someone who would move animals that they did not want around, instead of just killing them. I wanted to spread the word about this service, but first I thought I would ask some questions.

I was horrified, though, at this guy's answers. Yes, they will use live traps if that's what people want, but that doesn't mean the animals are not killed. Instead, the animals are trucked away and dispatched out of sight and out of mind. He said that "vector" species (animals that might carry, for example, rabies) would be automatically killed. Squirrels, opossums, skunks, raccoons, whatever. Kill them all, but do it ..."humanely." That seemed to be his point.

Sick. It's so American, isn't it? We don't care what happens to the rest of the world, as long as we don't have to watch. We buy meat in sanitary little packs at the grocery store, denying to ourselves that these packages are full of blood and flesh and suffering. We ignore the death in our gas tanks, and the pain in our refrigerators. And, it would seem, we're perfectly content telling our friends how "humane" we are for hiring live trappers, without ever thinking about what happens after.

PLEASE do not EVER call Critter Control, or anyone else to trap raccoons or any other animals. Even if you find an injured raccoon or skunk, you can't take it to a vet because laws require them to kill the animal, and certainly they are not allowed to let you keep the animal. Better to nurse it yourself, hopefully with the help of an underground vet or something.

As for your cats? Let the raccoons live. Seriously. I have cats and raccoons on my porch from time to time, and they don't necessarily like each other, but you can keep conflicts to a minimum by not leaving food out where the two will argue over it, or where it will bring in the coons. You can also just bring your cats inside at night. Easy. Please leave the raccoons alone.

Coon "Problem" 24.Jul.2008 16:59

Cass

Den Mark, I usually love your posts. But not this time. There is no "coon problem." Raccoons are cool, intelligent animals who are commensal -- they have learned how to live with us. They are wild animals, but that does not make them a "problem." It also doesn't make "other species suffer."

The world is a complex place, where other beings are wiser than we are, and where species may jockey for position. Get to know that, and do not sit up on some imaginary pedestal in judgment of other species.

If you want to cut down on the animals that are truly vicious to all other species, the one that is truly going around killing every other kind of animal there is, then focus your vitriol on humans. Leave the raccoons alone.

Critter Control KILLS! 24.Jul.2008 16:59

They are NOT "humane"!!

Tell everyone you know.

I once saw a "Critter Control" truck parked outside a building in NW Portland. On the sides of the truck, it had all kinds of writing about how "humane" they are, how they use "live traps," and things like that. I thought, hey, cool! I wanted to know more. So I lingered around until the man driving the truck came back to it, and I asked him some questions. I thought it would be a good resource for people to be able to call someone who would move animals that they did not want around, instead of just killing them. I wanted to spread the word about this service, but first I thought I would ask some questions.

I was horrified, though, at this guy's answers. Yes, they will use live traps if that's what people want, but that doesn't mean the animals are not killed. Instead, the animals are trucked away and dispatched out of sight and out of mind. He said that "vector" species (animals that might carry, for example, rabies) would be automatically killed. Squirrels, opossums, skunks, raccoons, whatever. Kill them all, but do it ..."humanely." That seemed to be his point.

Sick. It's so American, isn't it? We don't care what happens to the rest of the world, as long as we don't have to watch. We buy meat in sanitary little packs at the grocery store, denying to ourselves that these packages are full of blood and flesh and suffering. We ignore the death in our gas tanks, and the pain in our refrigerators. And, it would seem, we're perfectly content telling our friends how "humane" we are for hiring live trappers, without ever thinking about what happens after.

PLEASE do not EVER call Critter Control, or anyone else to trap raccoons or any other animals. Even if you find an injured raccoon or skunk, you can't take it to a vet because laws require them to kill the animal, and certainly they are not allowed to let you keep the animal. Better to nurse it yourself, hopefully with the help of an underground vet or something.

As for your cats? Let the raccoons live. Seriously. I have cats and raccoons on my porch from time to time, and they don't necessarily like each other, but you can keep conflicts to a minimum by not leaving food out where the two will argue over it, or where it will bring in the coons. You can also just bring your cats inside at night. Easy. Please leave the raccoons alone.

moles and possoms 24.Jul.2008 20:06

gk

Years ago I had a horrific mole problem in my green lawn. Mole hills all over. I tried alot of techniques to get rid of them. One was a can containing powdered stuff that I bought from an old feed store. I couldn't open it, so I took it into the kitchen and pried it open with a manual can opener. The stuff was under a vacuum seal and when it opened, it exploded all over me and all over most all of the kitchen. What a horrible mess! I immediately showered it off because it was probably poison. And how I cleaned that kitchen, I can't imagine. I sent a letter of complaint to the manufacturer, but my letter came back "addressee not located." They went out of business or moved with no forwarding address. My dad would sit for hours waiting for a hill to move and he'd shoot with his rifle.

Then I had possoms as I did leave out cat food. Anyway, I called the Fish & Game ? Dept. and a guy came out for free and trapped some possoms alive. He seemed sincere that he was going to relocate them. I did have one freeze snuggled under the eave of my house one winter. My daughter and I donned gloves and dragged it into the street. It was a dead-weight (heavy).

Don't mess with possoms. I once tried to sweep or push it away with a broom, and it turned around and bared its teeth at me. I must say it was really ugly.

Hmmm 24.Jul.2008 20:33

Den Mark, Vancouver

Cass, where did i write that i don't like raccoons. I like them, a lot. I could watch them manipulate things with their cool little hands for hours. BUT, ... when raccoons come to visit our block, squirrels, birds, cats, 'possums all disappear, & neighborhood dogs cannot be let outside, especially small ones, because groups of raccoons circle & attack them. I like raccoons, but they belong in woods, not city. My usual yard pals - squirrels & birds & cats - have established mutual tolerance, non-competitive, & i encourage that, with trees, bushes, water, nuts & seeds, no pesticides. Raccoons, tho, do not fit in. I like them, but they do not "play well with others". If they did, i'd be happy to have them around. As it is, i want to see them only while hiking in back country. Main point in my comment above was that dumping raccoons in new habitat is not cool, because the area is likely already taken, so new 'coons will likely die, painfully.

Please Read Your Own State Law 25.Jul.2008 05:51

Sean

Before everyone climbs on the bandwagon and starts bashing Critter Control, please take a moment to read your own Oregon State Laws pertaining to wildlife. Critter Control isn't maliciously out there destroying wildlife wherever they can find it, they're simply following the laws put in place, by your own elected officials. If you don't like it, vote them out and change it, but don't blame Critter Control. If they destroyed every animal they removed, they'd be out of business and that doesn't make any sense at all.

You can find the law pertaining to transporting wildlife here -  http://www.dfw.state.or.us/OARs/435.pdf

635-435-0010
Permit Required to Capture, Hold, Transport, or Relocate Wildlife
(1) Any Wildlife Control Operator charging a fee to control damage, alleviate nuisance problems, or resolve public health risk concerns caused by certain wildlife must first obtain a Wildlife Control Operator Permit from the Department prior to capturing, holding, transporting or relocating such wildlife. A permit is not required to capture, euthanize or release on-site nongame wildlife nonprotected or species taken under authority of the predatory animal statute (ORS 610.105).
(2) A permit allows the permittee to capture, hold, transport, or relocate furbearers (except raccoons). A permit allows the permittee to hold, transport, or relocate predatory animals, western gray squirrels, and nongame wildlife nonprotected. These activities must be in compliance with conditions specified by these rules, the permit, and direction by the Department.
(3) A permit allows the permittee to capture, euthanize or release on-site raccoons. A permit does not allow the permittee to relocate raccoons to other sites unless directed by the Department.
(4) A permit does not authorize the permittee to intentionally capture, hold, transport or relocate game mammals, game birds or nongame wildlife protected. Game mammals excluding western gray squirrels, game birds or nongame wildlife protected caught incidentally must be released on-site.
(5) A permit does not authorize the permittee to intentionally capture, hold, transport or relocate species protected by other state or federal law. Species protected by other state or federal law caught incidentally must be released on site.
Stat. Auth.: ORS Ch. 496.012, 496.138, 496.146, & 496.162
Stats. Implemented: ORS Ch. 496.012, 496.138, 496.146, & 496.162
Hist.: 10-6-06, f. & ef. upon filing

635-435-0035
Relocation of Nuisance Wildlife
(1) A permittee must release prohibited species on site or humanely euthanize them. Prohibited species cannot be relocated off site except to humanely euthanize them. Prohibited species cannot be relocated to other sites.
(2) A permittee may either release raccoons on site or humanely euthanize them. Raccoons must not be relocated off site except to humanely euthanize them. Raccoons cannot be relocated to other sites except as authorized by the Department.
(3) Predatory animals, furbearers except raccoons and nongame wildlife nonprotected may be released on site, humanely euthanized or (as directed by the Department) relocated into suitable habitat.
Stat. Auth.: ORS Ch. 496.012, 496.138, 496.146, & 496.162
Stats. Implemented: ORS Ch. 496.012, 496.138, 496.146, & 496.162
Hist.: 10-6-06, f. & ef. upon filing

Little Brother to the Bear 25.Jul.2008 10:27

Raccoon Apologist

I've been feeding raccoons at an old treehouse in our backyard for about 30 years (sort of dates me). I feed them Attaboy dog food -- not the most expensive brand but they seem to like it. Both the juveniles and adults wash each kernel in clean water from bowls that I put out on the deck of the treehouse. My two dogs get Canidae brand, a presumably high end brand, or at least more expensive. My dogs are pretty well used to the raccoons -- although raccoons are prudently cautious around the dogs. I've contributed to lazy welfare mother raccoons over several generations...or at least suplemented their diet (lots of fruit trees in this area).

Teddy Roosevelt in 1906 fought with Ernest Seton Thompson about nature and wildlife policy. Seton Thompson said its fine to make friends with wild creatures (he wrote the best seller "Wild Animals I have known".) Roosevelt, whom animal lib'er Mark Twain satirized as the "brave rabbit hunter", said wild animals should always be kept a distance away from humans -- the distance of a rifle bullet for Roosevelt, just in range for hunting.

My raccoon families haven't been exactly "pets", although I have feed them out of my hand over the years. At a closer distance than a rifle scope, I've enjoyed them tremendously, and view my backyard as a sort of safe house for them from South Eugene raccoon haters and nature/nurture purist types.

Why Racoons? 25.Jul.2008 10:54

???

I live in a wooded area out of town, and I love the racoons. I understand that they can be dangerous to cats, but I have seen feral cats eat side-by-side with racoons. My numeous cats have had no trouble with them. Most of my cats are either frightened of the racoons and disappear when they are around or simply respect them enough to stay out of their way. They are interested in each other. One cat got nose-to-nose with a racoon by way of introduction and now just looks at them respectfully.

I understand that relocation is bad, but I would still choose that over killing them. From what I've seen, they are high-strung and quite agressive when another racoon gets too close to them.

Anyone know why the law is uniquely "biased" against racoons?

What the fuck is wrong with people??? 28.Jul.2008 17:53

How to live with moles

What is wrong with people, that they cannot just live in peace with all the animals around us? What possesses us to think we can, and should, control and manipulate and "manage" them all? What is up with GK, thinking he has to shoot and poison and trap moles and raccoons? What is up with Den Mark, thinking that raccoons are somehow unhealthy for a neighborhood because cats and squirrels move out of their way? What is up with ANYONE who would make excuses for killing non-human animals just because they inconvenience us?

Den Mark, if you want to get rid of pernicious, aggressive, harmful, invasive species that kill other species and denude whole regions of wildlife, then go after your human neighbors. Your words couldn't be more ironic.

GK, if you don't like mole hills, try this. Don't water for an entire summer. Your grass turns brown, the worms move out, the ground hardens, and the moles go elsewhere. In the fall, the rains will bring back green lawns, and the moles will still be elsewhere. It will take them a very long time to come back, and when they do, just stop watering again. Geez. What's the issue, anyway?

Don't you people realize that mole hills are actually very good for the earth? The moles aren't hurting your plants. They are eating slugs, grubs, worms, cutworms and pests that live in the soil. While they do so, they aerate the soil and bring up nutrients for plants to use. If their work accidentally dislodges a plant or two, just pat it back into the ground and it will be good as gold. Why can't you people just LIVE with the wildlife around you? Why does your ignorance constantly have to cost others their very lives?

The only possible explanation for killing moles is that we're all so pathetically desperate to conform to what everyone else's patch of yard looks like that we think we must stamp out anything that dares to put its own mark on it. Seriously stupid. I have a friend who seeks out mole hills to find the best soil for her potted plants. She has the healthiest potted plants you've ever seen. So get used to mole hills. If you ask me, McMansions are much more repugnant than mole hills. Should I sit outside Happy Valley with a shotgun, waiting for yuppies to show their faces in their doorways, and then blasting them to the promised land, just because I don't like to look at their manshrooms? You think that's all right? If not, what makes you think it's all right to do it to moles???

Regarding opossums. I used to rescue animals from fur traps in the hills above Estacada. (You would not believe how many people still trap wildlife up there and sell them to furriers.) Opossums and skunks were probably the most frequent to get caught in these stupid traps. If the trappers would find them before I did, they would bash their heads in and then either discard them as "useless," or else skin them and sell them cheap to furriers who would pass them off as something else. (Perhaps those "faux" fur collars on jackets at Fred Meyers.) When a possum is caught in a trap, it's as terrified as you would be, and as frantic to save itself. So they could be pretty feisty, gnarling their little teeth and hissing like cats. But I found that, with the right approach, they could be handled and freed from traps just the same. They're actually very cool little animals.

Raccoons, too, would get caught in those traps all the time. These were always kept and skinned and sold, unless I got there first. And I very often did. They can be formidable when cornered also, but they can also be very grateful and cool when they know you are a friend. I just don't get why anyone would want to kill them.

As for the "don't bash critter control" comment, why the fuck NOT??? Critter Control sells itself as a "humane alternative," convincing people that they'll solve their wildlife "problem" without those mean old traps that kill. So liberal folks can feel all warm and fuzzy about doing the "right" thing. They don't even tell you, unless you think to ask, that they kill almost everything they trap! FUCK critter control, and FUCK wildlife "management."

Oh. And GK, if you think the fish and wildlife guy really "relocated" a possum, I'm sure there are people out there who have bits of the Brooklyn bridge they'd like to sell you. Dude, Fish and Wildlife never releases *anything* unless it's an endangered species, and even then, only if they can't claim it was sick or something.