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BBC closes door on WTC 7 story

The BBC series on conspiracy theories presented a documentary on WTC 7 - the favourite building of the 9/11 'CT's' over the last few years. The likes of Dylan Avery, Steven Jones and the rest of the CT profiteers are given time in front of the camera yet none of their nonsense stacks up.
The BBC documentary can be seen here:

 http://www.bbc.co.uk/iplayer/episode/b00ck4jd

Definitely recommended, however, don't watch if you are a devout believer of 'explosives in towers' or anything like that. The scope of the programme is strictly Building Seven however the analysis applies equally to towers one and two - no explosives, 'thermite', 'thermate', lasers from space, tv-fakery or other. Includes footage and interviews that the 'CT's' did not show you.

The conspiracy theories that have wasted so much time have focused entirely on the events not on the hijackers. Now the 'no-plane' theories and the 'explosives' theories are fully debunked. As of yet though I am surprised that nobody has attacked Steven Jones for being a Mormon. Anyone who believes Jesus went to America is unlikely to be an expert about anything. Regardless, the 'CT's' have prevented any adult conversation about 9/11. I doubt that the CIA et al paid Dylan Avery, Steven Jones and the rest of the rag-bag 'CT's' but they should have done.

Interest in 9/11 is not going to go away, however, the grass-roots support that the daft CT's once had is now finito, with this BBC documentary closing the WTC 7 story, even without the final NIST report. Clearly the nineteen hijackers could not have done the do - their back-story doesn't add up, so hopefully those that care will perhaps be open to other possibilities to either a) al-whatever or b) inside-job. Option c) is that an entirely different group did the job, for reasons beyond what the CT's could ever imagine. Option c) is also beyond what the smug debunkers could ever imagine, so this story is far from over.

Although 'who' is the real question, there is a 'what' part of the story open to interpretation - Flight 93. Either the plane buried itself into the ground, into a hole about the size of your living room, or it was shot down for the debris to be spread out over a large area. The CT crowd have not done a good job on that aspect of the story even though very few individuals would have to be involved. The accepted story implies complete incompetence, shoot - down accounts for the debris field, the rushing air sound at the end of the CVR tape ands the excessive secrecy. The truth about 93 is a relatively low hanging fruit, with members of the air-force speaking about it as well as posting stories onto the interweb. The only thing is that truth is not the same thing as 'inside-job', the conclusion that CT's want you to get. It would be interesting to see a BBC programme on UA93, one that is done as a documentary, not propaganda, and afforded fair treatment like the programme on WTC 7.

homepage: homepage: http://www.bbc.co.uk/iplayer/episode/b00ck4jd


What's a "'CT'" ? 06.Jul.2008 19:15

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Not so... 06.Jul.2008 19:29

TRUTHER

...it's not over, it will never be OVER. Silly people!

finally the one man who knows 06.Jul.2008 19:33

what took him so long

This is the weirdest pile of bullshit about 9/11 I've seen yet.

The author sneers at those silly Conspiracy Theorists ... as if he is not one.

Sorry buddy, if you don't buy the ENTIRE official story you're just another "CT."

the link doesn't even work 06.Jul.2008 20:02

what is this

does the bbc iplayer work for anybody in North America?

remember, if you don't believe what the government tells you then you are insane 06.Jul.2008 20:07

i love big brother

9/11 third tower mystery 'solved'
By Mike Rudin
BBC, Conspiracy Files

One of the Twin Towers collapses
One of the twin towers collapses

The final mystery of 9/11 will soon be solved, according to US experts investigating the collapse of the third tower at the World Trade Center.

The 47-storey third tower, known as Tower Seven, collapsed seven hours after the twin towers.

Investigators are expected to say ordinary fires on several different floors caused the collapse.

Conspiracy theorists have argued that the third tower was brought down in a controlled demolition.

Unlike the twin towers, Tower Seven was not hit by a plane.

The National Institute of Standards and Technology, based near Washington DC, is expected to conclude in its long-awaited report this month that ordinary fires caused the building to collapse.

That would make it the first and only steel skyscraper in the world to collapse because of fire.
See World Trade Center 7's location and structure

The National Institute of Standards and Technology's lead investigator, Dr Shyam Sunder, spoke to BBC Two's "The Conspiracy Files":

"Our working hypothesis now actually suggests that it was normal building fires that were growing and spreading throughout the multiple floors that may have caused the ultimate collapse of the buildings."

'Smoking gun'

However, a group of architects, engineers and scientists say the official explanation that fires caused the collapse is impossible. Architects and Engineers for 9/11 Truth argue there must have been a controlled demolition.


FIND OUT MORE...
The Conspiracy Files: 9/11 - The Third Tower is on BBC Two on Sunday 6 July at 2100 BST
Visit The Conspiracy Files website or catch up using the iPlayer

Q&A: The collapse of Tower 7
Timeline: WTC 7
The BBC and the 'missing' tape

The founder of the group, Richard Gage, says the collapse of the third tower is an obvious example of a controlled demolition using explosives.

"Building Seven is the smoking gun of 9/11... A sixth grader can look at this building falling at virtually freefall speed, symmetrically and smoothly, and see that it is not a natural process.

"Buildings that fall in natural processes fall to the path of least resistance", says Gage, "they don't go straight down through themselves."

Conspiracy theories

There are a number of facts that have encouraged conspiracy theories about Tower Seven.

* Although its collapse potentially made architectural history, all of the thousands of tonnes of steel from the skyscraper were taken away to be melted down.
* The third tower was occupied by the Secret Service, the CIA, the Department of Defence and the Office of Emergency Management, which would co-ordinate any response to a disaster or a terrorist attack.
* The destruction of the third tower was never mentioned in the 9/11 Commission Report. The first official inquiry into Tower Seven by the Federal Emergency Management Agency was unable to be definitive about what caused its collapse.
* In May 2002 FEMA concluded that the building collapsed because intense fires had burned for hours, fed by thousands of gallons of diesel stored in the building. But it said this had "only a low probability of occurrence" and more work was needed.

But now nearly seven years after 9/11 the definitive official explanation of what happened to Tower Seven is finally about to be published in America.

The National Institute of Standards and Technology has spent more than two years investigating Tower Seven but lead investigator Dr Shyam Sunder rejects criticism that it has been slow.

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The collapse of Tower 7

"We've been at this for a little over two years and doing a two or two and a half year investigation is not at all unusual. That's the same kind of time frame that takes place when we do aeroplane crash investigations, it takes a few years."

With no steel from Tower 7 to study, investigators have instead made four extremely complex computer models worked out to the finest detail. They're confident their approach can now provide the answers. Dr Sunder says the investigation is moving as fast as possible.

"It's a very complex problem. It requires a level of fidelity in the modelling and rigour in the analysis that has never been done before."

Other skyscrapers haven't fully collapsed before because of fire. But NIST argues that what happened on 9/11 was unique.

Steel structure weakened

It says Tower Seven had an unusual design, built over an electricity substation and a subway; there were many fires that burnt for hours; and crucially, fire fighters could not fight the fires in Tower 7, because they didn't have enough water and focused on saving lives.

Investigators have focused on the east side where the long floor spans were under most stress.

They think fires burnt long enough to weaken and break many of the connections that held the steel structure together.

Most susceptible were the thinner floor beams which required less fireproofing, and the connections between the beams and the columns. As they heated up the connections failed and the beams sagged and failed, investigators say.

The collapse of the first of the Twin Towers does not seem to have caused any serious damage to Tower Seven, but the second collapse of the 1,368ft (417m) North Tower threw debris at Tower Seven, just 350ft (106m) away.

Tower Seven came down at 5.21pm. Until now most of the photographs have been of the three sides of the building that did not show much obvious physical damage. Now new photos of the south side of the building, which crucially faced the North Tower, show that whole side damaged and engulfed in smoke.