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More tri-met fearmongering

"This a great tool" says some law-man at the end of the article describing how theyre going to crack down on unruly teenagers

I hope I can post this
Sure, it's a great tool, Like a Hilti chipping hammer to blast away more of the bill or rights.

Isn't there stuff in the constitution about law enforcement having to charge you with something if they are going to hold you, access to lawyer, due process, etc??

I see here 36 hour detention without cause. Today it's the teenager in baggy pants with his feet on the seat, tomorrow it's the 60 year old peace activist. I remember a few years back when Cheney did a fundraiser at the airport embassy suites- a bunch of us rode the train out there to say hi. Cops Including a Beaverton cop (sucking up OT to live above his means?) "checked fares" on the airport max BOTH WAYS. Wouldn't it be neat if they could have instead locked us up for 36 hours? By the way I worked on a construction project at the airport for a few months in 01 rode the max EVERY DAY and NEVER saw any fare inspection.

The Big tri-met crime is all the tax money being wasted in destroying downtown to move the bus mall, include cars on the bus mall, and install a train GUARANTEED to get bogged down in traffic and make it difficult for me to tell my am-radio listening comrades how nice riding the train in.

I know theres a lot of good cops out there, but these transit cops are big lazy cowards who like to pick on those less fortunate in our town and serve nothing but as a role-model for a schoolyard bully.

Also, Is tri-met neglecting the bus system that actually gets us to home and work in favor of throwing our money at pet-projects and advertising? I've noticed an increase of older-than average (high floor) buses on routes they were trying to go all low-floor on a few years ago like the 12 (barbur) or 14 (hawthorne)- routes that seem to get a fair share of folks who need some extra help on and off the bus, or a curb level floor. I've also noticed a lot more clunks and bumps- (like what you'd expect from a taxicab with half a million hard city miles) from worn front end parts around corners. Also a lot of buses with more than a week of dirt outside, or a day inside.. It would be nice to hear from a bus driver or mechanic on this... How about instead of a jackhammer for the bill of rights we buy a wrench set to fix the bus?

hope I can post this...

TriMet to crack down on unruly teens

04:40 PM PST on Thursday, February 14, 2008

By DAVE NORTHFIELD for kgw.com

Starting March 1, juveniles who commit misdemeanors on buses and Max trains will be booked and detained for up to 36 hours at the Multnomah County juvenile court facility, authorities said Thursday.


A MAX light-rail train travels through downtown Portland.

"It shows we're serious when we say 'we're not going to take it anymore," said Shelly Lomax, TriMet Director of Safety and Security.

TriMet says that young people intimidating riders and getting in fights on trains or near stations is a main source of complaints and adds to the impression that the system is out of control.

There have been several assaults in recent months on or near the Max line.

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Right now youths who cause problems on TriMet vehicles don't face a serious consequence, according to Multnomah County Senior Deputy District Attorney Tom Cleary.

"We talking about people who engage in behavior that's dangerous to themselves and other people," said Cleary. "We're not interested in people who didn't pay their fare.

Cleary said the policy shift has been two months in the making, with the full cooperation of TriMet and the police agencies who respond to calls. Youths facing a misdemeanor charge will be taken to the intake center at Juvenile Detention in Northeast Portland. Parents will be called, and officers will work out an action plan with the offender.

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There are five intake slots at the facility, and one transit officer said he thinks there will be a need for more slots once the changes take effect. But Sargent Eric Boothby applauds the move. "It's a great tool," he said.

TriMet is adding more officers to patrol the system. Five will be added on the west side and officials are still in discussions regarding how many will be added to the east side.

forgot to add my own positive slant 15.Feb.2008 11:20


In the past ten years of regular tri-met riding to work and play on many different routes, There have been a few uncomfortable situations. The only one I remember involved an angry an angry man in his late 20s or early 30's (I know what youre thinking and no I wasn't looking in a mirror)

At various times driving or riding cars, bicycles or motorcycles Ive come close to having my guts splattered all over the road. At least for me, coming close to being killed or taking a life in an accident is less comfortable than coming close to having my nose broken.

I have had countless positive interactions with all kinds of people.

Heres a short example from maybe six months ago.

I was riding the Max out to Gateway one afternoon Reading the paper in the nearly upper back section of a low-floor car. The train stopped at llyod center and a large group of at least a dozen teenagers packed the section I was in. A few of them were agitated with one another and the crowd was having a very lively discussion. I guess it's called "ebonics" now, I was suprised by the fact that these folks were speaking english, yet I could not understand a single sentence. After a minute the young lady who had sat down next to me, and was fully involved in the noisy group, turned to me and sincerely apoligized for being so loud.

My question to both law enforcement and unruly teenagers alike is this.

Had the above mentioned young lady been locked up, and humiliated for 36 hours, or seen this happen to one of her friends before getting on the train that day, would she then have felt like being kind to a stranger- especially one who might look similar to her tormenters?

I'm sure we all have a few memories like this and we ought to share them here, and at whatever of these town hall meetings where tri-met and the cops gather to plot new ways to take away our rights.

Insane Police State "tactics" 15.Feb.2008 11:30

Joe Anybody iam@joe-anybody.com

36 hours = a potential law suits (I WOULD HOPE)

Keep bringing these issue of TRIMET harrasment and abuse to the community forefront

if no justice - then there will be ...no peace

TriMet is going to start LOCKING UP "CHILDREN" 15.Feb.2008 12:10

Joe Anybody iam@joe-anybody.com

Trimet (sic)joins in the trend to start locking up our youth

read about the epidemic that is happening across America to the "youth" especially those with low incomes and who are needing services not prison cells, and of course not to mention some love


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Once a black student is pushed into the juvenile justice system, the pipeline takes another tragic turn. The proportion of black youths within the system grows at each stage from arrest through sentencing until this group, which represents only 16 percent of the nation's youth population, accounts for 58 percent of the youths admitted to state adult prisons.

"The vast majority of children caught up in the juvenile justice system have not committed violent crimes and do not deserve to be sent to prison," Lospennato said. "And what most people don't know is that thousands of non-violent kids get locked up for months even before their cases are heard."

Students in special education are especially at risk of being pushed into the pipeline.

"Often these students are simply acting out of frustration because they can't keep up with the others, and they're not getting the help they need in class," said Jim Comstock-Galagan, founder and executive director of the Southern Disability Law Center, which has partnered with the SPLC on the School-to-Prison Reform Project.

Poverty makes the situation worse, because a family may not have the resources needed to successfully demand the special school services that can prevent an outburst of misbehavior. It also means a detained child might find her fate in the hands of an overworked and underpaid public defender who has little or no training in the field of juvenile law.
Thank You Tri-Met  - from the youth of our city
Thank You Tri-Met - from the youth of our city