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Checkpoints at local eataries?

Tic Toc
I recently went to a bar with a friend of mine who is obviously at least 40. She was shocked when the barkeep asked us for ID and took it back by the register. Turns out they are running everyone who comes in for warrants. We're clean (whew!) but isn't that an invasion of our privacy?

I'm never going back there.. I'm not much of a bar hopper, is this common now?

b 12.May.2007 08:53

m

What is the name of the bar? I want to make sure I avoid that place and tell all my friends to do the same.

possible explanation (not sufficient to violate 9th amdt, though) 12.May.2007 13:38

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you got Punk'd 12.May.2007 13:56

skeptical

They were pulling your leg. They don't have a PPD laptop behind the bar to look up your criminal record.
But they can check your ID regardless of your apparent age.

Warrants? 12.May.2007 14:30

Phil

Unless there was a cop or someone with access to the police/governmental servers back by the register, they wouldn't be checking for warrants. I've seen some bars with signs saying they scan all IDs to protect against fakes being used. A fake with changed dates is easy enough to make but changing the magnetic strip is much more difficult (I'm not even sure if its possible). I suppose it is also possible for the cops to "flag" someones ID to see if they pop up somewhere, but that seems like something off a TV show. Would the cops like to chime in?

ID theft, or-worse? 12.May.2007 18:14

Free Lance

Ya don't suppose that the bar keep was planning to steal her identity, or worse, sneak into her home on some dark night for an unscheduled date? I would simply walk, if they demanded my id, or my date's id. By playing along, you feed these morons.

Check your facts 12.May.2007 19:41

sadder but wiser

There's no way to run you for warrants from behind a bar. Paranoia is a survival skill these days, but let's not go overboard.

not so skeptical 15.May.2007 18:27

Nagasaki

I'm not sure about Cascadia for sure, but ... there are a lot of stories coming out of Texas that bars and liquor stores are automatically running people for warrants.

Locally (Rogue Valley), over the police scanner, I have personally heard Grants Pass City Police being dispatched to a local video rental store to arrest a customer. According to the dispatcher, the store computer system pulled up the warrant and the employee alerted police. I heard that happen in real time over local police communications, so yes, it IS going on.

Not the case.... 16.May.2007 21:11

Me

Law enforcement personnel and others directly involved in the judicial system are the only folks that have access to criminal records. At bars, they validate your id with their scanner. Doesn't give them anything more than they can already get off the front of your i.d.

Broad, but not that broad 24.May.2007 03:11

sixpack wabc@mutualaid.org

Our group WABC, tries to monitor these kinds of things involving informants, and we have seen that these "intrusions" are not so few and far between as one might expect. As some may recall, law enforcement often enlists the snooping abilities of mail carriers, city inspectors and garbage collectors, for any evidence they may see or hear while performing their jobs. Motels are a perfect example, because they open their guest registry to police who ROUTINELY do spot warrant checks, with the motel manager's blessing (or some are blackmailed into cooperation, or lose their business license). This too, has been going on for years, and The US PATRIOT ACT is only making it more commonplace today.

From our experience, while the local bartender (assuming he's not an undercover cop)is not hooked up to the NCIC database, he could be looking at a police "watch list" that local police left him, listing persons they want in case they come in there. This has been done for decades, but not so openly as in this incident. But it HAS been done, often.

I would present this info to the open public, and suggest a boycott of any establishment that participates in the "citi-snitch" program. Turning citizens into informants is wrong, but it is also a very effective police tactic, and a tactic they are not going to abandone anytime soon.

You can take this info for what you like, but it has come about from decades of front-line experiences of our members and others.

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