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Pit bulls and kittens

Debate rages on over the "type" of people who choose to share their homes and lives with pit bulls. Frequent readers of IndyMedia will know where I and a few others (thanks CatWoman) stand on this issue. But this is not to rehash the same old arguments...
This is just a note of thanks to the Neanderthal who dropped off yet another kitten in the wooded ravine by my house yesterday, one of the coldest days of the year.

Thought you might like to know the poor flea-infested, six-week old baby you dumped off to fend for itself in the wild found his way to my house - as have the four others we now care for - and my kids and I have taken him in and are trying to nurse him back to health. I'm not quite sure how we're going to afford to treat his eye infection and apparent respiratory infection, but we'll manage somehow. Sure hope he's not feleuk positive. That'll be a hard one to explain to my son. Thank God the other animals are all vaccinated.

Best wishes for a New Year in which you reap what you sow. Hope you sleep well, you heartless bastard.

Love and kisses,

Madam Hatter, a responsible pet (and pit bull) owner,
[and from all the animals that now share our lives: Petey, Taz, Sophie, Sadie, Mona, Skitty, Crash and now baby Leon]

P.S. Petey the pit loves the new baby. They slept together last night.

Cowards who dump animals 29.Dec.2006 15:32

In Defense of the Animals

Anyone who would dump a helpless, dependent kitten in the woods, especially in the middle of winter, is a heartless coward. People like this deserve to be kidnapped and taken to an isolated area in the mountains and pushed out. I wonder how they would like such treatment?

Karma will no doubt bring justice in due time.

kitty care 29.Dec.2006 17:32


I am very glad that kitty got you your house, Madam-hatter. I know you will try your best to get her back to health. No matter what, at least it will be warm and have food and know someone cares. These animals do understand when we are trying to help them. You might remember our cat Crikey who came to us in the Fall. She only lived for two weeks, but at least she died resting on a blanket by the wood stove. She had some good meals too. Poor little gal was just too far gone to make it back to health. I will never understand why people dump poor animals like they do. I wish you good luck. It is good to hear from you again.

A couple of suggestions for kitten 29.Dec.2006 19:23

animal luver

There's a children's decongestant spray called "Little Noses" that you can find for sure at Fred Meyers that can help with congestion. Also, crushed L-Lysine pills in some wet food will help boost his immune system (500 mg pill daily). I also make mine sit with me while I shower or take a bath for the steam therapy. Good luck with kitten, and please keep him away from the pittie - he may lick him to death! ;)

They are Misinformed 30.Dec.2006 00:12


People drop them off in the country or woods because they think it is the natural habitat of a cat. They think the woods and fields are full of mice and shelter. They think the animals will love living free.

This is how I was raised.

My mind started changing when I got my first place in the country as an adult and the first of an endless stream of cats showed up on the doorstep. Some already beat up and sick and scraggly. All were hungry and ready to love.

That is how I now have Kitty Paws. The best big cat I have ever seen. He reads my mind, never gets on counters, beds, couches. Never scratches furniture. Never makes a "mess". He likes me to warm a saucer of milk when I let him in, in the morning after his night out hunting. Then he likes to play a bit. Tossing his toy mouse in the air or attacking my ankles. Once in awhile he likes to climb into my lap. Most of the time he curls up at my feet below my computer.

Thank you, Madam Hatter 30.Dec.2006 09:01


Thank you Madam Hatter for picking up someone else's responsibility when that responsibility is a living creature--and to all others who do the same.

I now have 13 rescued cats and I too live in a dump area. One dumped cat that appeared to be a bred Persian was so dangerous to both people and animals, that we had to have him euthanized after we discovered his personality. I can't imagine what he had been through to make him that way.

I have recently become involved in a rescue effort at the neighborhood convenience store. The younger the cats are, the better their chances of not having FIV. I know the average life of a feral cat is 5 years, but what they go through really came home to me when I trapped one 4-year old cat. Not only was he FIV positive, but the vet said that he was pretty beaten up. He had fractures that had healed on their own, probably from being hit by a car. Both fangs were broken--I can only guess from what-- and he hat a lot of scarring from cat fights. I understand that FIV is largely transmitted by cat bites.

So even as I feel overwhelmed by the numbers, I am now very aware of exactly what we are rescuing these cats from.

I know that most people reading this are not the ones who need to hear this information. As a society, we need to stop breeding and start rescuing. Thank you everyone who has taken care of someone else's discarded animal.

Thanks 31.Dec.2006 06:31


Thank you, madam, for what you do is good!
It kind of warms one's heart to see that there's still human beings around there in that world of bad men.
And for those heartless "cons", as we say here in France, no doubt a cause brings a consequence, and as "Defense of animals" said, karma wheel will goes on...

Best wishes, Peace and Love for 2007 to all animals and human beings!

"And we know we shall win,
as we are confident in the victory,
of good over evil..."
Bob Marley

THANKS MADAM 31.Dec.2006 07:55

poidog 1909

Thanks for your compassion Madam. We see a lot of that up here on the mountain as well. Forunately, we have a couple of good foster homes where pets can heal and recieve care untill they find new homes. Keep up the good work.
Your ally to the east.
PS. I think together our past efforts and words have been partly responsible for Clackamas Counties recent decision to drug test their deputies, and I thank you for paying attention, keeping the pressure on, and writing some of the insightful things you have about the state of our county. Coffees on me if we ever meet.

food for thought 31.Dec.2006 20:46

lean elk dvdjosmil@netscape.net

If we invested a quarter of the energy to safeguarding native wildlife species that we do to domestic animals, we could make real ground helping species that are truly in need of our help. You can protect all the dogs and cats you like, but they are practically manufactured by humans, more and more, month after month, day after day.

How is the Lynx? Thought about the well-being of the wolverine? The spotted owl? The native Salmon? The native creatures with evolutionary patterns evolved in this region. Without them, the spirit of our region is in many ways, DEAD. Work for them! Where do they live? Protect it. How do they travel and connect habitats? Protect them.

Break out of the cat and dog box and see the beautiful ancestors in need.

Food for deeper thought 01.Jan.2007 22:39


I'm constantly baffled by the thoughtless way in which people brush aside what others are doing with words about what they "should" be doing "instead." Especially when those assumptions are offered up without a modicum of knowledge about whether or not the other person is ALREADY working for those other causes as well.

So while it goes without saying that the wild beings who are native to our region deserve care and protection, I still find the condescending tone in "lean elk's" words to be offensive. I care very much about the lynx, the coyote, the bobcat, the deer, and all the other beings in our region. I also care about cats and dogs. I am sickened by Lean Elk's implication that these beings are "manufactured" by humans, and therefore not worth caring about. The same was once assumed about slaves. Fuck that mindset. These are living, feeling, thinking beings. They deserve our love, respect, and care.

I thank you, Madam Hatter, for making the world better in this one, tangible way. And Lean Elk, if you are doing anything at all in the world besides criticising others, then that would be good. If not, then we do not need your... "advice."

Thanks 02.Jan.2007 21:24


Thanks to all for the kind and supportive words. Also thanks for the suggestions on nursing baby Leon back to health.

Matilda - I don't understand that either-or mentality either. Because we care for our domesticated brethren doesn't preclude doing the same for our wild ones, does it? For instance, I used to rehabilitate orphan wildlife for release back into the wild for the humane society where I used to live. It wasn't a big thing raising and releasing baby robins or common grey squirrels, but it was my little way to help.

poidog 1909 - I wasn't aware Clackamas County has decided to drug test their deputies! Right on! I'll take you up on that coffee sometime.

WILDKINGDOM 05.Jan.2007 11:34


we have 5 yorkies, 2 cats and a pit bull terrier. they all get along fine. it's how you raise them. what you teach them.

Spay/Neuter Truly Helps Animals 06.Jan.2007 16:42

Proud To Be All Animals' Friend rainbowcurio@hotmail.com

In a sense, perhaps more than we care to imagine dogs and cats ARE "manufactured" i.e. in puppy mills and by others who ruthlessly exploit their marketability when they are young. Meanwhile millions of animals continue to die in shelters across the country. Untold numbers are abandoned such as Leon, often dying slow deaths by stavation or disease. Only 15% of animals stay in one home for their entire life according to the Humane Society of the United States, graphically illustrating our culture's propensity for discarding anything and EVERYONE--even our so-called best friends. Working to change this view of our companions as disposable commodities many animal welfare/rights groups offer low or no cost spay/neuter programs. The Portland Metro vicinity is especially blessed with such programs and I encourage anyone with an unaltered dog, cat, rabbit or other companion critter to call the Oregon Spay/Neuter Fund at (503)286-2411 for information about the many options in this area. Decreasing the population helps to make animals intrinsic value more recognizable while drastically improving individuals quality of life. This organization may also provide information about low-cost vaccination and other veterinary care that may particularly help little Leon. And, Matilda, as for your kindness being either misguided or actually detrimental to other species,I think it would be interesting to know just WHAT lean elk is doing, for the other animals, that would somehow be incompatible with helping a kitten. Suffering is suffering and reducing Leon's helps us all, the way I see it.

503 244-7936
7640 S.W. 88th Portland,OR 97223

Thanks for informing the public 11.Jan.2007 10:57

Pawsitively Pitbull Volunteer vgndaise@hotmail.com

My friend's house butts up against Forest Park and they are forever getting strays at their back door. They currently have one cat that has a clipped ear, which means she has been fixed by the Feral Cat Coalition and the person who had her fixed would have signed an agreement to care for her for life. It's outrages and sickening that people act so irresponsible by treating animals as though they are dispensible and other people's problems.
Kudos to you for mentioning your Pitbull and the kitty get along. Not all Pitbulls have the temperment to accept their distant furry friends and I am so glad that yours does. It just proves it can be done. Pitbulls are absolutely one of the most fantastic dogs I have had the pleasure of working with.
Thanks for caring for the sick and homeless. You are a wonderful person for doing so.

breaker- breaker/ you got your ears on MH. 19.Jan.2007 23:04

poidog 1909

Dear MH;
hey its me, and i haven't been around for a while. Sure would enjoy a cup of coffee with you sometime. It's nice to know that theres alis close by. In regards to CC new drug test policy, I've figured out it's just more smoke & mirors intended to fool the sleepy citizens of our county. "test for cause" is the weekest form of drug testing policy and is totally up to the inner department decisions of supervisors. Furthermore there is no provision for testing deputies involved in lethal or excessive force situations.
I called to talk to our commissioneers about creating a citizen oversight board for our sherrif's office. They said, not nessasary, we already have one. Was given a name and number to call for citizen's advocate. Guess where the number rang through to? You got it! Clackamas County Sherriff's Office.
There you have it. The best citizen oversight money can buy. I say bullshit myself. Take Care

pit bull dogs and kittys and other animals 10.Apr.2007 15:46

theindian dance4yeshua07@yahoo.com

Hi we have several pit bulls all very cute and loving. I also have two cats and some kittens which they all seem to get a long. Pits are very devoted dogs and for the most part a very sensitive animal. When treated right and raised right they can be the best animal you have ever owned. One of our pits was very good friends with a baby mallard duck that was found alone on the highway. This duck (Ditsey) was so young it still had the shell on it's beak. Atrayu loved the duck and washed it. The duck has since been adopted by one of the kids friends during the same time it was found. She thinks he is her mother and follows him every where. She is now laying good duck eggs and living in Santa Cruz. The dog is a proud father of 9 pups. They are just beautiful.