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FEMA DEATH CAMP on video, Beech Grove, Indiana: activists got film, helicopters monitored

This is the one in Beech Grove but It's much sharper and larger. I did some research on the "so called" furnaces and the white AGA Gas ... all Inc. Cylinder. The "so called" furnaces are exhaust fans. AGA GAS Inc. Sells mostly asphyxiation type gases...you can verify this by doing a search via dogpile for AGA GAS Inc. and the look for web site MDS and they will list the gases.

In the video it shows a gas main, you can see there are 2 or 3 connections with regulators on top. Regulators are used to regulate pressure and gas mixtures.

It seems that this is indeed a death camp, for those on the red and blue list. It can process 26,000 people every 24hrs. The site has since been cleaned up to look inconspicuous.
7 minutes of video
 http://video.google.com/videoplay?docid=277826260716604258

Gunderson Steel Portland Building Shackled Train Cars 25.Sep.2006 08:34

jail bush

Gunderson Steel in POrtland or. has a contract with the bushes to build 300,000+ train cars with shackles in them. people have seen these and a journalist that was doing a story was killed. these would hold approximately 15,000,000 dissidents, activists, etc. the 911 truth activists have already been labelled by cnn and bush as connected with a faction of islamic terrorists. what are we waiting for folks??

The Indiana toll road 25.Sep.2006 09:21

x

is now owned (long long term lease) by China. hmmmmm.

The scary thing about the heartland - other than the fact that a boy scout troop with water pistols could take over - is the food is there. Take the food and you win.

I used to live in Indiana 25.Sep.2006 13:51

Jody Paulson

So I certainly paid attention when I heard about all the Homeland Security funding they were getting. Check this out:
"Indiana [with 8,591 places or events] has about 30 percent more listed potential targets than New York (5,687) and nearly twice as many as California (3,212), putting Indiana atop the nation's list of potential terrorism targets."
That includes "Amish Country Popcorn," folks. It's seriously been listed as a high priority terrorist target. I don't think even the Statue of Liberty made that list. What does that tell you?
 http://www.pastpeak.com/archives/2006/07/safeguarding_am.htm

Trains with shackles??!? 26.Sep.2006 08:36

Hagbard

Is there any info about the shackle filled rail cars? Because if so that would be some pretty damning evidence. But my skeptical mind wants more. These bastards are up to somthing, we just need proof to stop them.

democracy 26.Sep.2006 09:07

oggy and the cockroaches

It's your democracy.......deal with it. And learn just exactly what the word democracy really means.

Yeah.....Work Will Set You Free.......ain't democracy grand? Bwaaaah hahahaha bwahahaha

remove PNAC global fascist neocons-- they plan to kill you 26.Sep.2006 15:01

real investigative reporter

13 LINKS FOR YOU, TO SHARE, WOULD BE GREAT AS A PRINTED BOOKLET.


[1] Title: SHACKLED BOXCARS in OR,TX,MT,NH,NC; & intervew w/imported NATO crack troops
Date: 2004.03.02 02:16
Description: It has since been learned that GUNDERSON STEEL FABRICATION is under secret contract from the U.S. government to produce these prisoner boxcars. The company received an order from the federal government to build 107,200 full length railroad boxcars with the shackles inside. Gunderson has a satellite factory for making the boxcars with shackles in Texas.

Interestingly, Gunderson became the launching pad where then-presidential candidate Governor George W. Bush introduced his plan for social security reform on May 16, 2000, a major part of the current president's platform.

Apparently, Mr. Bush has some special relation with Gunderson. ---

It is no secret that the U.S. steel industry, which has undergone one of the most horrific depressions of any domestic industry over the past 30 years, is emerging from this long decline with remarkable rapidity. We reported in a Gold-Eagle [investment news] column in January 2001 that shares of leading U.S. steel maker Bethlehem Steel were being enormously accumulated by insiders. --- Since that initial report in January 2001, Bethlehem Steel shares have risen in excess of 400%.

Such an impressive percentage gain in such a short period of time (especially considering the slow-moving nature of this sector) bespeaks of something extremely unusual on the horizon that will improve the fortunes of America's languishing steel industry. --- THAT SOMETHING IS MARSHALL [sic, martial] LAW PLANS AND THE CONSTRUCTION OF A POLICE STATE INFRASTRUCTURE. --- Gunderson got over 2 billion dollars. --- One of the cars was seen by Phil Schneider in a rail yard in NORTH PORTLAND, OREGON.
 http://portland.indymedia.org/en/2004/03/281821.shtml

[2] Title: Cheney Halliburton-KBR make 'detention camps'; Bush Carlyle Corp. write 'the lists'
Date: 2006.01.27 07:47
Description: Putting the pieces together concerning everything from detention camps (who is building them--Halluburton-KBR), who has the private power to make up their own politcal prisoner lists from a huge data archive of privatized gov't background checks data (the Bush family through their war profiteering vehicle Carlyle Corporation subsidiary CSIS, which has the full federal 1997 'privatized' government security background checks contract, and a mine full of past security/gov't worker data on background checks); they can deliver you there to the camps via railroad: with the Bush/Cheney connections in railcar connections already noted; and the railroad shackled boxcars already reported upon. Bush's high treason requires impeachment immediately.

Real Republicans (instead of Bush's neocon fascists) understand they are next on the lists?

 http://portland.indymedia.org/en/2006/01/332775.shtml

[3] Title: Bush/Cheney Plan American Holocaust (police state murder infrastructure in place) BOX CAR DEATH CAMPS
Date: 2004.02.28 08:56
Description: With a seven-inch thick portfolio filled with photographs, news articles, correspondence, etc., Mr. Sea (intentionally anonymous) is a former inspector for the Joint Chiefs of Staff and the Department of Defense, with 31 years of federal service in the military, nine with the Department of Defense, including two years with the Air Staff --- holder of the Bronze Star, the Purple Heart, the Defense Meritorious Service Medal, three awards of the Joint Service Medal --- spoke of the coming American Holocaust of the Government's plans for dealing with the non-New World Orderites --- infrastructure that has already been set up to incarcerate and execute Americans, and the locations of the facilities...all with photographs --- Mr. Sea: "On August 6, 1994, I toured the Amtrak Railcar Repair Facility at Beech Grove, Indianapolis, Indiana. There are at least ten maintenance barns at this facility, covering 129 acres, with two separate fences with the tops leaning inward. The windows of several buildings have been bricked up....There are three helicopter 25-knot aviation wind socks (which aren't the correct ones to use for chemical spills which require 10-knot wind socks). There are high security NSA-style people turnstiles, and high intensity/security lighting for 24-hour operation. The box car (gas chamber) building fence is marked with special 'RED/BLUE Zone' signs [visible in the photo ]. This corresponds to the 'mission' of the RED/BLUE Lists which surfaced in June and July of 1996. Under martial law, this will become a death camp. They're only going to handle category one and two (RED and BLUE) people there. This box car facility will be used for execution.
 http://portland.indymedia.org/en/2004/02/281672.shtml

[4] Title: FEMA's NAFTA-wide police state: & Bush/Cheney connections in its railcar contracts & lines
Date: 2004.10.18 11:05
Description: IN SHORT: Bush and Cheney have been shown to have ties to KCS, Union Pacific, Trinity Rail Car, The Chamberlain Group, and The Greenbrier Companies, after only a small amount of internet research. Imagine what you could learn if you followed up on this. ***I did not begin looking for a Bush/Cheney connection when I began researching this article, but I sadly ended up there.***
 http://portland.indymedia.org/en/2004/10/300277.shtml

SUMMARY OF FACTUAL POINTS:

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600+ FEMA internment camps within these United States.

A 1996 leak of FEMA strategy: having RED and BLUE priority lists for mass incarceration for these 600+ camps. Total lists then were around 6 million people.

GUNDERSON RAIL CAR COMPANY: Speaking on anonymity, an employee of a manufacturer of railcars stated that Gunderson Rail Car Co. received a contract to build over 400 boxcars. These boxcars were ordered and paid for by the UN. They were white and they had shackles built into them.

THRALL RAILCAR: Another company was making the boxcars as well. A company called Thrall Railcar. Thrall Rail Car merged with Trinity Industries, Inc. in October of 2001 to form the Trinity Rail Group....on Board of Directors of Trinity Rail Group is Craig J. Duchossois, heavy contributor to Bush-Cheney 04 campaign, labeled a Pioneer--someone who contributed more than $100,000 to re-election campaign. Duchossois is Chairman of The Chamberlain Group, sells access and security products for homes and businesses around the world including biometrics.

KANSAS CITY SOUTHERN: Now the white boxcars sometimes have been cited to have such labels as "Kansas City Southern" on the side to make them appear more inconspicuous....KCS is transportation holding company with railroad investments in U.S., Mexico, & Panama. KCS's rail investments are THE PRIMARY components of the NAFTA railway system linking commerical/industrial centers of U.S., Canada, and Mexico. A KCS Director, Robert J. Druten, is Executive Vice President and Chief Financial Officer of Hallmark Cards, Inc. Robert Druten along with Hallmark have also been making re-election campaign contributions to George W. Bush. --- KCS has railroad investments in Panama, country George Bush Sr. invaded before Desert Storm under pretext of Manuel Noriega's Drug Trafficking. Why KCS has offices in one of the largest drug smuggling ports in the world, Panama City? If Bush Senior/Junior are truly tied up with KCS, it is entirely possible that key CIA drug smuggling has been coming through railroads from Panama, up through Mexico, into Texas, straight on to Houston, Dallas (a.k.a. Bush Central) all on KCS rail lines (along with Union Pacific). On December 4, 2003, KCS announced in Pro-Homeland fashion that it has become a certified member of the Customs-Trade Partnership Against Terrorism program, run by U.S. Customs & Border Protection of Department of Homeland Security. It's important to note that one of the motivations for companies to participate in the CTPAT is that they will be rewarded with fewer customs inspections when their cargo arrives in the US. They are agreeing to "self assess" their security...; While Zedillo was President and George Bush was governor of TX, KCS won a $1.4 billon bid which doubled it's track mileage and made it a key player in growing U.S. Mexican trade by operating Mexico's busiest rail line into the United States.

UNION PACIFIC, OIL, MEXICO, and CHENEY: During role as governor of Texas, George W. Bush met with Mexican President Ernesto Zedillo on multiple occassions. Incidentally, 2001, Zedillo appointed to Union Pacific's Board of Directors, now has a seat on boards of Alcoa and Procter & Gamble corporations and resume very similar to VP Dick Cheney. Dick Cheney also served on the Board of Directors for Proctor & Gamble and served on Union Pacific's Board during Zedillo's presidency. What are the odds? Zedillo bailed out by Clinton Administration to save his administration. Conditions of the bailout required Mexico to deposit all of its export oil revenues as collateral in the Wall Street branch of the U.S. Federal Reserve. This gave the NWO oil cabal even more control over the world's oil supply. Zedillo advises Council on Foreign Relations, the UN, & David Rockefeller's Trilaterals. Union Pacifics/TTX Cheney Connection: friend of Cheney's on Board of Directors, Mr. Robert M. Knight, Jr., Executive Vice President and Chief Financial Officer of Union Pacific. They worked together when Cheney was on the Board of Union Pacific as well.

GREENBRIAR COMPANIES: On June 17, 2004, the Greenbrier Companies announced that it has received orders from TTX for nearly 7,000 railcars valued at approximately $400 million principally for production in North America--the largest single award Greenbrier ever received. Greenbrier owns over 12,000 railcars and performs management services for approximately 113,000 railcars. TTX has friend of Cheney's on Board of Directors, Mr. Robert M. Knight, Jr., Executive Vice President and Chief Financial Officer of Union Pacific. They worked together when Cheney was on the Board. Why is a friend of Cheney's giving them largest single order Greenbrier ever received? What does Bush/Cheney have planned for 2005-2006?

IN SHORT: Bush and Cheney have been shown to have ties to KCS, Union Pacific, Trinity Rail Car, The Chamberlain Group, and The Greenbrier Companies, after only a small amount of internet research. Imagine what you could learn if you followed up on this.

***I did not begin looking for a Bush/Cheney connection when I began researching this article, but I sadly ended up there.***

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During times of universal deceit, telling the truth becomes a revolutionary act." George Orwell

"Find out just what the people will submit to, and you have found out the exact amount of injustice and wrong which will be imposed upon them; and these will continue until they are resisted with either words or blows, or with both. The limits of tyrants are prescribed by the endurance of those whom they oppress." -- Frederick Douglas (1857)

"Paranoia is just knowing all of the facts." - William S. Burroughs

"Politics is the art of preventing people from taking part in affairs which properly concern them." ---Paul Valery

"There exists a shadowy Government with its own Air Force, its own Navy, its own fundraising mechanism, and the ability to pursue its own ideas of national interest, free from all checks and balances, and free from the law itself." -- Senator Daniel K. Inouye, during the Iran Contra Hearings and former chair, U.S. Senate MKULTRA-era hearings in 1977

February 1948 by George Kennan, head of the US State Department's Policy Planning Staff:
"We have about 50% of the world's wealth, but only 6.3% of its population.... In this situation, we cannot fail to be the object of envy and resentment. Our real task in the coming period is to devise a pattern of relationships which will permit us to maintain this position of disparity.... To do so, we will have to dispense with all sentimentality and day-dreaming; and our attention will have to be concentrated everywhere on our immediate national objectives.... We should cease to talk about vague and ... unreal objectives such as human rights, the raising of the living standards, and democratization. The day is not far off when we are going to have to deal in straight power concepts. The less we are then hampered by idealistic slogans, the better."


[5] The Microwave RFID Panopticon: corp-state lifetime monitoring, health/civil implications
10.Jun.2006 17:59
Just call me Jeremiah. This is really a key issue. This is not an intellectual game or "news as relaxing armchair entertainment."

The Intelligence Reform Act of 2004 and the Real ID Act of 2005 establish an ominous national ID system, ***forcing all states to standardize*** biometric-laden birth certificates, drivers licenses and other ID cards. By 2008, personal data from these will be flowing into the Fuhrer's central database. While coming to power over all law enforcement agencies with its directives and funding, DHS is regimenting U.S. medical establishment to collect and forward all health data....Medical history [and the DNA database is expanding fast]....

LET'S RECALL PNAC's quote, signed off by dozens of appointee in Bush Administration: "...advanced forms of biological warfare that can target specific genotypes may transform biological warfare from the realm of terror to a politically useful tool." This is a statement overtly supporting GENOCIDE. This is not politics as usual. What would you think if the President of the United States said this? All his staff have signed off on it. Would you care? Would you worry about your own genotype? In fact, this quote from the Project For The New American Century is from its 2000 document "Rebuilding America's Defenses."

You are unable to organize a eugenic bioweapon driven Holocaust like PNAC wants without detailed individual genetic-biological lists, courtesy of, in the U.S. from 2008, a microwave based RFID file system with individual required bio-information-genetic markers carried at all times as an internal passport, mandated by the State; Bush learns from Third Reich well, same exact eugenic strategy different technical solutions [cite: IBM and the Holocaust]; Bush is organizing the next Holocaust via microwave RFID. Ban all uses of these frequencies now.

 http://portland.indymedia.org/en/2006/06/340906.shtml

[6] Title: Is "bird flu" PNAC's military globalists' test of a genetically-specific EUGENIC plague?
Date: 2006.05.06 11:17
Description: let's recap, "...advanced forms of biological warfare that can target specific genotypes may transform biological warfare from the realm of terror to a politically useful tool." Who said this? Hitler? Goebbels? Attila The Hun? Mussolini? Ivan The Terrible? This is a statement overtly supporting GENOCIDE THAT EVERYONE IN GEORGE W. BUSH'S ADMINISTRATION HAS AGREED WITH. This is not politics as usual. What would you think if the President of the United States said this or supports this? Well, he has. Would you care? Well, you should. Would you worry about your own genotype? Would you be concerned that you could be targeted? Are you ready to have a mist of these advanced forms of biological warfare in your neighborhood? How will you know that your specific genotype will not be targeted? Who will die around you? Will your family survive?

In fact, this is a quote by a group called the Project For The New American Century, and its 2000 document "Rebuilding America's Defenses." The Project For The New American Century is a think-tank group pursuing exactly genocide right here in the United States of America. Unbelievable? See the think-tank's website at  http://www.newamericancentury.org. You can read the entire document.

And of course this is a corporate Fourth Reich, so they profit from EUGENIC PLANS through scares toward their (useless) medicines like Tamiflu, which links back to Donald Rumsfeld personally profitting plague profiteering....

It is also of cause of concern that Bush proposes easing restricitons on the vaccine. People who were injured by the [death] vaccine, or families of those killed by the vaccine, will have no legal recourse for suing manufacturers.
 http://portland.indymedia.org/en/2006/05/338945.shtml

[7] Title: 9-11 NAU CFR-Enabled "Revolution From Above": Destroy U.S., Mexico, Canada for NAU/Ameros
Date: 2006.07.08 09:14
Description: 9-11 related issues are that state terrorist perpetrators on the American side are involved in this same Fourth Reich/CFR "revolution from above": wearning different hats as the same profiteers getting rich off insurance fraud in 9-11 controlled demolitions of the WTCs and WTC7, while simultaneously moving whole North American continent a rightless, "de-legislatured and de-Constitutionalized" police state. The "North American Union", more euphemistically is the Bush family's and CFR plans for a microwave RFID driven Fourth Reich one-party police state. They are on record planning to submerge the U.S. Constitution below, as well as statements in public that the whole Congress should be "overruled" and voided by such appointed NAU people. They plan to take all North America--Mexico, United States, Canada--while voiding all three of their democratic legislative institutions (however thin), voiding all three of their currencies, and voiding all three of their pro-consumer/worker regulations policies, and voiding judicial frameworks (they even want a NAU unelected "court!"--to drive everybody toward lowest common denominator. It's all wrapped in the already established continental wide military of NORTHCOM--really NATO staffed--now occupying North America. This NATO overlordship started the day of 9-11, with NATO AWACS (and planes straight from the Swedish military on 9-11) authorized to overfly U.S., authorized by Bush. If NORAD stood down to let 9-11 happen, it did so to justify the expansion of their military dictatorship in the making into NORTHCOM over Mexico, United States, and Canada--where all future "terror attacks" and "terror response" (and what kind of response) is under an international NATO staff.
 http://portland.indymedia.org/en/2006/07/342290.shtml

[8] Bush has already implanted ex-KGB administrators out of a job since the USSR, into "Homeland Security" as well. That really reveals his master's thinking on what they want to make of the United States unless Bush and his whole team is uprooted root and branch.
 http://portland.indymedia.org/en/2005/06/318854.shtml

[9] VIDEO: CNN Lou Dobbs segment: Bush's "North American Union"--no treaty, unConstitutional
 http://portland.indymedia.org/en/2006/07/342012.shtml

[10] Bush's Real Goal - Dissolve America Into NAU, the (Nazi) North American Union Fourth Reich
20.May.2006 19:33
What they are using in North America regarding fake 9-11 "justifications": "President Bush is pursuing a globalist agenda to create a North American Union, effectively erasing our borders with both Mexico and Canada. This was the hidden agenda behind the Bush administration's true open borders policy....North American Union plan, which Vincente Fox has every reason to presume President Bush is still following [since Bush and Fox decided upon it together, in person, in 2005], calls for...only border...around the North American Union -- not between any...countries....Discovering connections like this between the CFR recommendations and Bush administration policy gives credence to the argument that President Bush favors amnesty and open borders, as he originally said. Moreover, President Bush most likely continues to consider groups such as the Minuteman Project to be "vigilantes,"....Why doesn't President Bush just tell the truth? His secret agenda is to dissolve the United States of America into the North American Union. The administration has no intent to secure the border, or to enforce rigorously existing immigration laws....The perspective of the CFR report allows us to see President Bush's speech to the nation as nothing more than public relations posturing and window dressing. No wonder President Vincente Fox called President Bush in a panic after the speech. How could the President go back on his word to Mexico by actually securing our border? Not to worry, President Bush reassured President Fox. The National Guard on the border were only temporary, meant to last only as long until the public forgets about the issue,....[and a continental NATO military is occupying the whole North American continent with the next state terror strike they orchestrate and allow to happen. Impeach Bush!]
 http://portland.indymedia.org/en/2006/05/339726.shtml

[11] Title: CFR Plan to Eliminate US-Mex.-Canada Borders, to sync w/post 9-11 NORTHCOM/NATO occupation
Date: 2004.11.17 09:48
Description: There has been a great deal of very aristocratic, corporate, and military integrating going on internationally post 9-11 to destroy all democratic feedback against their transnational corporate regime in three major states of North America: US, Canada, and Mexico. See all three links for the continuities. I would have chosen this to go under "forest defense" and "energy & nuclear" categories as well, so read for that. COUNCIL ON FOREIGN RELATIONS: "A tri-national task force, chaired by former Liberal Party deputy prime minister John Manley, with the full backing of all three [unrepresentative state corporatist] governments, is plotting the roadmap for this new, bolder alliance meant to compete with the European Union. [so they say...there is always someone else to blame for their desire to removing any local democratic feedback to the corporate elites...] William Weld [from a deep politics Bonesmen family], former governor of Massachusetts and Pedro Aspe, former Mexican finance minister, join Manley on the panel that reports directly to the Council on Foreign Relations." "The "NAFTA-plus" plan has also been referred to as "deep integration." Skeptics see it as a plan to eliminate national sovereignty and erode the American concept of representative government accountable to the people under the framework of the Constitution. Discussions so far indicate that Canada, under the new agreement, would immediately drop its own national defense and sign on to dependence of the U.S. strategic missile defense initiative. Canada would also make its vast lumber resources available to the U.S. degradative corporations, and Mexican markets and provide more open access and destruction of environmental laws with regard to these northern neighbors' oil, natural gas and hydro-electric power resources, further impoverishing Mexico. KISSINGER APPEARS HERE: "Other members of the task force include: Canadian Finance Minister Michael Wilson and Nelson Cunningham of Henry Kissinger's consulting firm, Kissinger McLarty Associates."
 http://portland.indymedia.org/en/2004/11/303653.shtml

[12] Title: U.S. invaded by Mex.,Canada, Dutch, German, Russian: Bush using sponsored foreign invasion of the U.S. as a "legal exception" to Posse Commutatus Act...
Author: northcom quoter
Description: "Hey, no one told us international NATO military guys at Northcom we can't use foreign troops to invade--to get around the American Posse Commutatus ban against domestic troops...." Actually, Northcom has a well placed list of exceptions on the Northcom.mil website, already planned out: here's a list of already set up "exceptions" they mention to the Posse Commutatus Act. Expect these "exceptions" to be utilized by Northcom--or invented--as a context for further internationalized martial law in the U.S.A. "as the HAARP turns." However, Americans are well within their rights to conduct immediate citizens arrests of major Northcom figures, and these military figures get two years jail automatically: Section 1385 of Title 18, United States Code (USC), states: "Whoever, except in cases and under circumstances expressly authorized by the Constitution or Act of Congress, willfully uses any part of the Army or Air Force as a posse comitatus or otherwise to execute the laws shall be fined under this title or imprisoned not more than two years, or both."

Since Congress DID NOT authorize this action--the only way it could fathomably occur--and it doesn't fit in their legal exceptions mentioned below--we are to conclude fairly that Northcom's actions after Hurricane Katrina are an intentional breach of the Posse Commutatus Act as well as a treasonous act combined, and we may conduct citizens arrest of major Northcom figures RIGHT NOW.
 http://portland.indymedia.org/en/2005/09/325083.shtml

[13] WHISTLEBLOWER! Pre-911 war games hit WTC, White House, Sears Tower, Pentagon with hijacks
author: repost of Lauro "LJ" Chavez
24.Sep.2006 14:40
I feel that I should speak my mind and Ill tell you some things that I have not told many people at all. From 1995 till 2002 I was a Sergeant in the United States Army. Not only this, but I was stationed at United
States Central Command [U.S. CENTCOM--WHICH STOOD DOWN WITH NORAD ON SEPTEMBER 11, 2001], which is located at MacDill AFB in Tampa Florida. I was on active duty when 9-11 happened. In the days prior to the tragedies, we were involved in many exercises. Some of these exercises included the scenarios of hijacked planes crashing into, our building the world trade center, the White House, Sears Tower, and the Pentagon. These drills or exercises as we called them, where classified Top Secret. Having a Top Secret rated clearance I was dumbfounded that they would ever push a training exercise above the level of Secret.
 http://portland.indymedia.org/en/2006/09/346513.shtml

Stupidity runs rampant once again 11.Oct.2006 10:01

Free THINKING American

The most amazing thing about this video is how far down the rabbit hole of paranoia the narrator and web commentors go. I will concede that it is within the realm of possibility that there are "death camps" being built within the United States. It is possible, but not probable. If it were a secret death camp there would not have been any access allowed. The helicopter? Beech Grove is located about 6.5 mi north of an airport. That's about 4 minutes of flying time on your way to Indianapolis, not too far. Which leads me to my next point. Indy is about 4.5 mi away. If you owned a manufacturing facility, even one that is not used, wouldn't you try to protect it from thieves? With the price of scrap metal at an all time high, the incentive for stealing metal is there. On the topic of the gases, AGA does produce mostly asphyxiation type gases. Most gases cause asphyxiation. Even oxygen in too high a quantity can cause the lungs to fill with fluid and eventually death. As I finish off my comments, I have come to the realization that I have wasted too much time in the defense of logic. None of the commentors have used any logic in their statements, just insane questions and fingerpointing toward Bush. I personally don't agree with most of his decisions. I don't think he is trying to kill or imprison all of us. (there's no money in it)

I am willing to donate as much tin foil as needed to supply all of you with new hats.

PICTURES OF THE TRAINS WITH SHACKLES 29.Dec.2007 14:15

LC

THE TRAINS WITH SHACKLES...FROM 4:37, THE TIME ON THE VIDEO ON PAY CLOSE ATTENTION.

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