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just a mothers curiousity

The California Department of Corrections and rehabilitation is conducting a survey to determine how many inmates would be interested in transferring to facilities outside of California.
My son is serving a 25 to life prison term in Delano, CA. He just sent me the notice of the survey and has askied me to check out some of the other prisons and see what they have to offer.. What kind of programs do they offer, whether they allow conjical (family) visits for lifers, etc. The problem is there are so many prisons and I don't know a state prison from a county jail. I am hoping that someone here might be able to direct me in the way I need to go to research this infor for him. Oregon is one of the states that he expressed an interest in. Any help that you can give me would really be appreciated. He has been in prison for 4 years now and but I still don't understand the way they are run.
My name is Ellen if you can help me at all. My email is:  izabch@verizon.net

Lots of us may be asking the same question sooner or later 13.Sep.2006 20:45


A friend of mine was talking about the different jails and prisons ... which ones were not overcrowded or fully filled so you might get your own cell. He said federal prison is often better than jail because everyone is more situated and not getting moved around at all hours of the night and day... maybe that's just intake.

Anyways, anyone who can compare jails, state pens, and prisons, speak up. Prison-topia is rolling on in.

Prison Planet 14.Sep.2006 07:12


I will forward your question on to a friend of mine who might have some answers. In the meantime, I think we all need to be thinking about how to make prisons better, or nonexistent. I don't know, sometimes I think there are reasons to remove people from general society, if they are dangerous or something. You know, like child killers and rapists. But the criminal justice system is so completely flawed that it's not fair, it never even looks at the murderous crimes committed behind board room doors, it targets poor people and people of color, and many of the people behind bars are there for either class, public health or political reasons. (Drug use, for example, is a public health issue not a crinimal issue. Theft is a class issue, not a criminal issue. And all the green scare people are political prisoners, not criminals.)

Soon, it will be the majority of people who are in prisons. I mean, the United States has the largest prison population in the world, and it keeps on growing. What's wrong with us that we would tolerate this?

Private Prison Hell 14.Sep.2006 10:58

Gumby Cascadia

One concern should be whether they are talking about moving folks to private detention facilities. It seems very likely that would be the case, since moving people to other state-run prisons would just shift the "burden", and most state-run prisons are over-full. Private prisons are hell, from every account I've ever heard. They are profitable due mostly to slave labor of the inamtes, moreso than at state or federal facilities. They are usually very remote, which makes visitation hard. They have ridiculous phone contracts that make phone calls too expensive for most people to afford. I would do some serious checking, and if they are talking about private prisons, I would be VERY concerned.

private prison 14.Sep.2006 13:31


I have thought a lot about the private prison thing. And I'm wondering how one goes about opening such a thing, and getting prisoners transferred there. Seems to me that if we are to watch so many of our friends and comrades shipped off to private prisoons, maybe we should be holding the keys....

shopping for prisons 14.Sep.2006 15:14


What irony: A mother asking folks on line what prison her son should go to instead of what college he should go to. This presents a pretty grim, yet prescient glimpse of the prison culture that is blossoming/has blossomed in this country.

Wackenhut (how aptly named) 14.Sep.2006 20:24


Wackenhut can tell you exactly how to open private prisons... and operate them... and be exempted from normal legal protections ostensibly applied to wards of the State... so they can rape and exploit and still get contracts for ungodly amounts of money to imprison and move people. I think Bechtel takes care of the food.

Wackenhut also provides your friendly Trimet security and got the contract to eyeball you and question you on the way into city hall. (Thanks Tom Potter.)

 http://www.wackenhut.com/ (site seems inoperable... maybe that's to their advantage)
 link to www.business.com

Wackenhut Corrections Corporation. The Group's principal activity is to offer correctional and related institutional services to federal, state, local and overseas government agencies. Correctional services include the management of a broad spectrum of facilities, including male and female adult facilities, juvenile facilities, community corrections, work programs, prison industries, substance abuse treatment facilities and mental health, geriatric and other special needs institutions. Other management contracts include psychiatric health care, electronic home monitoring, prisoner transportation, correctional health services and facility maintenance. The Group has an in-house capability for the design of new facilities and offers a full privatization package to government agencies, including financing of new projects. The Group has 59 correctional,detention and healthcare facilities. The Group operates in the United States, Europe, Australia, New Zealand and South Africa.

Try this information... 15.Sep.2006 13:46

Pravda or Consequences

It makes perfect sense to go where the "big boys" go...

 link to www.forbes.com

Happy hunting.

Since the link was clipped you will need to do this... 15.Sep.2006 14:05

Pravda or Consequences

Type in "Best prisons" (no quotes) in the search window and select the #2 article.

MSM Article about the Move... 07.Oct.2006 10:04

reposted by Gumby Cascadia

As I suspected...

Officials Prepare to Transfer Inmates to Out-of-State Prisons - Los Angeles

Officials Prepare to Transfer Inmates to Out-of-State Prisons
Authorities hope to free up 5,000 beds, starting with 200 convicts who have
volunteered to go.
By Jenifer Warren, Times Staff Writer
October 6, 2006

SACRAMENTO - Corrections officials prepared to sign the first contract
allowing prisoners to be shipped to other states Thursday as legislators
debated the plan's merits and one expert said Gov. Arnold Schwarzenegger
should forget short-term fixes and instead convene a bipartisan summit on
punishment in California.

One day after the governor proclaimed an emergency in the state's severely
overcrowded prisons, Republicans praised Schwarzenegger for decisive action
while Democrats raised legal questions about the move and accused the
governor of sitting by while the crisis escalated.

For his part, Schwarzenegger's Democratic foe, Phil Angelides, said: "For
nearly three years, Gov. Arnold Schwarzenegger has ignored California's
prison crisis. Three months ago, I proposed declaring a state of emergency
to fix Gov. Schwarzenegger's prison mess."

Although the first round of relocations - starting with 200 inmates next
month - will be voluntary, prison officials said the governor's emergency
order gives them authority to move convicts against their will as needed to
free up beds. Currently, the penal code requires an inmate's consent for
such an out-of-state move.

Corrections Secretary James Tilton said he hoped to quickly get volunteers
to vacate 5,000 beds, noting that more than 19,000 had expressed interest in
a recent survey. But if enough volunteers do not come forward, Tilton said,
the dire conditions will compel him to export inmates without their consent.

Assemblyman Todd Spitzer (R-Orange) said sending inmates to private prisons
in other states represented a last resort by a governor facing a crisis.
Prison officials say they will be out of bed space by next summer and would
have to close their doors to new felons, further burdening beleaguered
county jails.

"The governor's preference was to have the Legislature work with him on this
to solve the issue," Spitzer said, referring to a special session on prisons
that ended in August with the Democratic-controlled Assembly's rejection of
several measures to relieve crowding. "He gave us that opportunity and we
blew it."

But state Sen. Gloria Romero (D-Los Angeles) said that by allowing mandatory
transfers, Schwarzenegger was "snubbing his nose at the law."

Barry Krisberg, president of the nonprofit National Council on Crime and
Delinquency, said Schwarzenegger had little choice.

"The Third World conditions inside the prisons have created such a dangerous
situation that, short of putting up tents in the desert, there wasn't much
he could do," Krisberg said.

"The Assembly clearly dropped the ball by refusing to adopt a sensible
package of proposals," Krisberg said.

One law professor who has written extensively on prisons urged
Schwarzenegger to think more broadly about the problem.

Franklin Zimring, a professor at UC Berkeley's Boalt Hall, said that
although the transfer plan might buy the state time, it ignores fundamental
problems with California's sentencing laws and penal policies - problems
that have helped foster the population crunch.

"What we need to do," Zimring said, "is sit down and put the entire
governance of punishment in California on the table for an extensive,
bipartisan analysis and fixing."

In Indiana, California's move to export its convicts was met with
enthusiasm. Gov. Mitch Daniels issued a statement gleefully announcing that
he would soon be housing 1,200 California felons.

In California, corrections officials confirmed that Indiana's New Castle
Correctional Facility would be among those lockups likely to soon receive
inmates. Others are in Tennessee, Oklahoma and Arizona. All facilities are
operated by private companies. Officials said the cost of housing
Californians in other states would run about $60 per day, compared with the
$90 daily cost here.