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who killed the electric car

 http://www.sonyclassics.com/whokilledtheelectriccar/electric.html

Is this an informative documentary or a well placed ad?
Not that an ad for an electric hybrid is a bad thing. I can't wait for the day that gas stations start going out of buisness because not enough people own gas powered vehicles.
 http://www.sonyclassics.com/whokilledtheelectriccar/electric.html

Is this an informative documentary or a well placed ad?
Not that an ad for an electric hybrid is a bad thing. I can't wait for the day that gas stations start going out of buisness.
about a movie coming out 09.Jul.2006 21:31

st

It looks like a lead up to the debut of an upcoming michael moore investigative journalism style expose of how development of the electric car as an alternative to internal combustion powered cars may have been discreetly killed by the auto industry some years back. Director, some weird kid, was interviewed on charlie rose while he was recovering from his heart surgery.

doesn't seem like an ad - my electric vehicle story 09.Jul.2006 21:34

empire slayer

i leased one of the first electric vehicles, the honda ev+, when i was living in the san francisco bay area in the late nineties. it was an amazing car--silent, extremely fast (90+ on freeway), air conditioning, cd player, it talked, and it got about 120 miles on a charge, plenty for any daily commute and trips to the ocean or mountains... during that time period, california had incentives for businesses to install electric charging stations, and there were chargers all over the bay area at the b.a.r.t. light rail stations, libraries, malls, etc... i loved my car, the only vehicle that i have really had an attachment to. the electric company gave us discounted bulk eletricity rates for charging at night after hours. i would just plug in when i got home, and the smart charger would start charging later that night when the rates were low. people started building solar photovoltaic electric arrays over parking lots to have truly zero pollution solar charging...

there were user groups of people who leased these vehicles (you couldn't buy them, only lease), and satisfaction was nearly 100%. everyone i met who had leased or driven one loved them. but...they had almost zero maintenance and so car companies couldn't get re-curring revenue from parts and maintenance, and their corporate whore buddies the oil companies couldn't get their blood money from re-curring gas...so they killed the electric vehicle.

so, there you have it. the death of the electric vehicle had nothing to do with technology or customer satisfaction (the lists were long to be able to lease one of these) and everything to do with corporate profit and greed.
honda ev+
honda ev+

this is kind of an ad 09.Jul.2006 22:20

but

very fast EV here:
 link to www.megawattmotorworks.com

yep 09.Jul.2006 23:16

st

The charlie rose interview (rose was recovering from heart surgery, not the kid)had a clip from the film where a guy is interviewing someone working at a scrapyard. He's asking about a perfectly good looking GM EV-1 in the background. The conversation has to do with a rumour that EV-1 cars that GM leased out were reclaimed and summarily terminated at scrapyards. The director's explanation for this corresponds with that of comment writer "empire slayer". No money in electric cars for intern combust power car manufacturers, so they killed the program. Director says, just as emp-slay does, that there were long waiting lists for the cars, and celebs dug them.

bunch o' detail about Wednesday event 10.Jul.2006 01:30

CaptainPlanet

This from the Portland Peak Oil mail list.

 http://portlandpeakoil.org/


"Who Killed the Electric Car?" Portland Premiere of the Sony Pictures
Classics film, A benefit for Livable Place with filmmaker Chris Paine

When: Wednesday, July 12, 2006, at 7pm
Where: Hollywood Theatre, 4122 NE Sandy Blvd., www.hollywoodtheatre.org
Tickets: $10, available on-line
 http://www.hollywoodtheatre.org/calendar/ or at door

Available for Interview: Chris Paine, filmmaker (in-person on July 12),
www.papercutfilms.com; Steve Adamson, ex. dir. of Livable Place.

Portland prides itself on being a leader in sustainability, and was
recently proclaimed America's "Most Sustainable City." There are more
Prius hybrid cars in Oregon than in any other state. If electric cars
were on the market, Oregonians would buy them. In 1996 electric cars
began to appear on the roads of California, but now they are gone. What
happened? Portlanders will want to know WHO KILLED THE ELECTRIC CAR?

Film Director Chris Paine leased an all-electric EVI car from General
Motors in 1997. It was quiet and fast, produced no exhaust, ran without
gasoline, and was virtually maintenance free. Plugging it into a
charger every night cost $3. "Politics, economics, and corporate power
stopped California's electric car program in its tracks," said Paine who
considered stealing his car when it was taken back. GM refused an offer
of $1.8 million to buy 78 of the cars, and instead they were crushed in
the Arizona dessert. Paine decided to investigate. "What began as a
series of questions began to turn the story into a murder mystery. Some
of the evidence still shocks me."

WHO KILLED THE ELECTRIC CAR? chronicles the life and mysterious death of
the GM EV1, examining its cultural and economic ripple effects, and how
they reverberated through the halls of government and big business. It
explains why America can't break its addiction to gasoline. It's a
story everyone who owns an automobile should see.

There will be a benefit preview screening of WHO KILLED THE ELECTRIC
CAR? with Director, Chris Paine on Wednesday, July 12 at 7:00 at the
Hollywood Theatre, 4122 NE Sandy Blvd. Admission is $10 and advance
tickets are available on-line at www.hollywoodtheatre.org/calendar/, or
at the door. Proceeds benefit Livable Place.

Livable Place

Livable Place is a Portland, Oregon, based nonprofit organization that
uses creative outreach to empower people to create more sustainable and
livable communities. Livable Place is home of the PINE Film Festival and
the Portland Film Forum.

Hmm.. 11.Jul.2006 20:50

M

Sorry if my comment isn't as long-winded or nearly as impressively formatted as this cat up above me here, but I remember hearing some years back there was a fellow who had invented a car that ran on water...and some gasoline auto company or another stole/bought it and holds the patent and copyright in a dusty room with no intention of ever using it.

water-cars 12.Jul.2006 20:52

CaptainPlanet

"Sorry if my comment isn't as long-winded or nearly as impressively formatted as this cat up above me here..."

Hello "M"? I guess you didn't read it enough to know I was just copying in the announcement I received in an email about the event at Hollywood Theater. It's just a few short paragraphs about the film, plus the details about tonight's event (which was sold out, hopefully someone can report later about the film).

I am definitely interested in hearing about how this "water car" works, but when I encounter info about it what I see is a big, defensive explanation of how dangerous the idea is, how it's suppressed, blah blah... but no explanation on where the energy comes from. Energy can't be created, it's a law of physics, so where does the fuel for the car come from? It would not come from water, water doesn't contain energy that can be exploited. Heating water to produce steam could make a car function, but some energy source would have to create the heat. It's a lot like the fuel cell car idea... fuel cells can convert pure hydrogen into electricity to power a car, but energy had to be expended somewhere else to make the pure hydrogen. You don't end up with less energy consumption or pollution this way, you just move it to someplace outside the car.

urban folk tale 12.Jul.2006 23:09

val

I can't give you a source to back it up, but I'm going to say I think the water car is probably nothing more than an urban myth. I've heard this old saw for years, but no one has ever produced anything to suggest it's based on any truth whatsoever, as near as I can remember. It's on the same level as the perpetual motion machine. Something for nothing. That doesn't work.

quantum nonthermodynamic cannot be pondered from thermodynamics views 13.Jul.2006 03:41

non thermodynamic energy researcher

"I am definitely interested in hearing about how this "water car" works, but when I encounter info about it what I see is a big, defensive explanation of how dangerous the idea is, how it's suppressed, blah blah... but no explanation on where the energy comes from. Energy can't be created, it's a law of physics, so where does the fuel for the car come from? It would not come from water, water doesn't contain energy that can be exploited. Heating water to produce steam could make a car function, but some energy source would have to create the heat. It's a lot like the fuel cell car idea... fuel cells can convert pure hydrogen into electricity to power a car, but energy had to be expended somewhere else to make the pure hydrogen. You don't end up with less energy consumption or pollution this way, you just move it to someplace outside the car."

How humans every got as far as now with such a closed mind as that is beyond me. Oh I forget, people like you are the ones holding us up, instead of leading us forward. It's a little wonder some people are so gullible about false memes like "peak oil" or "energy running out" when they thing that thermodynamics are all there is. However, limiting technology to exclusively thermodynamic sources of energy is just a social choice: it's a sociopolitical corner on technology they have painted you into intentionally to keep you under energy lock and key and supporting your own captive lives and your grid based lives, whether electricity or coal or natural gas or gasoline corporate choices...

I seriously doubt most can even explain how your thermodynamic engine works or its efficiency issues, or its history, or where most of its energy goes, much less with that ignorance understand how it is only loosely connected to such nonthermodynamic issues. In short, these energies come from non thermodynamic issues, always have and always will be there. It's an physical issue of quantum space itself. Argue with the patents, instead of me. It's only 70 year old quantum physics. When it comes down to it, even though there are many people who would mislead you in educational institutions to dumb you down, there is really no one to blame except yourself for your ignorance. Do some learning for yourself. It might do you good to know what you are talking about concerning thermodynamics before tackling or attacking this from such a paucity of knowledge in your statement above.

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