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My Adventure Presenting Animal Rights Philosophy to the FBI

The FBI paid me to fly to the Washington D.C. area to lecture law enforcement executives and managers from around the world about animal rights philosophy.
My Adventure Presenting Animal Rights Philosophy to the FBI
by Charlotte Laws Monday, May. 29, 2006 at 10:25 AM
 officeofcharlottelaws@yahoo.com

The FBI paid me to fly to the Washington D.C. area to lecture law enforcement executives and managers from around the world about animal rights philosophy.

On April 13, 2006, I received a strange phone call at my Los Angeles home from an FBI Special Agent Instructor. I'll call him Andy.

It was strange because the FBI had never before contacted me. Did I breach some obscure statute? I remembered a book of "absurd laws," which said that in my neighborhood it was illegal to spit on the sidewalk, drive in a housecoat or allow animals to mate publicly within 1,500 feet of a school or church. Had my little, white terrier been committing impure acts at Erwin Elementary?

It turned out Special Agent Andy wanted me to fly to Quantico, Virginia (near Washington D.C.) to lecture law enforcement executives and managers from around the world about animal philosophy, keeping in mind "the mindset and methodologies of terrorists and the government's response."

It was an unusual request—even for an animal rights advocate, such as myself, with a doctorate in philosophy--so I did what anyone would do: I contacted my family, friends and criminal attorney.

I don't really have a criminal attorney, but I have a friend who regularly handles high-profile cases. He furrowed his bushy brow and cautioned, "Don't do anything. Let me check this out first. The FBI railroad innocent people all the time."

My anxiety multiplied when an animal person said, "only traitors talk to the government" and a non-animal friend advised me to take a lawyer with me and to refuse to "name names" when "testifying before the House Un-American Activities Committee."

"I don't have any names," I protested, but then remembered a particularly annoying local journalist who had infuriated much of the Los Angeles community. Nah, I thought, it would be inappropriate to use the FBI for the purpose of revenge.

A Los Angeles Police Department friend offered the only encouragement, "It is an honor to be invited. Don't worry. I'll tell them you're not a subversive and not to arrest you until after our tennis match next week." She laughed.

I felt the real purpose behind the FBI's invitation had to do with their misguided aim to infiltrate the Animal Liberation Front (ALF), which cannot be infiltrated because it is an ideology rather than an organization. There are no meetings, mailing lists or membership cards. Anybody can claim to be a member of the ALF when rescuing animals, destroying "tools of torture" (such as research equipment) or financially depleting a corporation that abuses animals; as long as he or she does not injure a human or nonhuman in the process.

The FBI has designated the ALF as America's number one domestic terrorist threat, in spite of the fact that those acting on its behalf have never physically harmed anyone. The same cannot be said of unions, who have reportedly instigated 2,193 acts of violence in the last ten years—including near fatal injuries--and anti-abortion activists who have made 13,256 attacks in the past three decades against doctors and clinics, including murders, kidnappings and bombings. By comparison, ALF-attributed actions are quite rare.

In 2003, hate crimes totaled approximately 7,400 and recognized violations of environmental laws by corporations hit 450. Senator Barak Obama says he is baffled as to why the ALF is the foremost target, since the FBI itself has stated that ALF-attributed crimes are on the decline.

In Congressional Quarterly, Justin Rood argues that the US government is silencing free speech from the political left while ignoring those on the radical right, and the American Civil Liberties Union suggests that the government is attempting to quell controversial ideas by targeting mainstream animal and environmental groups, peace activists and others who participate in lawful protest when in fact they "should be investigating real terrorists."

As an animal advocate for the past 25 years, I have only heard of two illegal animal-related actions, and both were committed by carnivores indifferent to the animal movement. One contemplated attributing his lawless act to the ALF, and the other might have done so under the right circumstances.

The first "villain" was an elderly attorney, who broke into his own home to rescue his two, pet pigeons after it had had been padlocked by health department officials. The man had been told that he would be thrown into jail without the possibility of bail if he were to set foot on the property. His equally villainous university professor friend manned the getaway car. Neither were vegetarians. Neither was young or agile. And prior to this, neither had committed what the FBI might call a "terrorist act." They cut off the oversized padlock and rescued two, healthy pigeons on an autumn night in 2005. They have escaped arrest to this day, but are not on the run.

The second "terrorist" was, in fact, a remorseful vivisectionist who would sneak animals off the premises before slaughter and place them in loving homes. If his superior had questioned the disappearance of "specimens," the researcher, in order to retain his job, could have simply pointed his finger at the ALF.

Decision day arrived, and my criminal attorney gave me the flickering yellow light, warning me that my visit to the Academy would prompt the FBI to open a file on me.

"Well, I plan to open a file on them, too," I assured him. "But, I promise not to put any falsehoods in my file if they don't put any falsehoods in theirs."

"Go if you want. It's legit, but take my number in case."

My plan was to serve as an ambassador for the animal rights movement and to convey through my lecture the truth about how animals suffer under human oppression, as well as to present philosophical arguments as to why animals are of equal value to humans and worthy of equal consideration. I wanted my audience to understand that anti-terrorism resources should be used to combat dangerous groups who fly planes into buildings, rather than renegade gerbil lovers. It would not be realistic to suggest that animal-related "crimes" be ignored, but I argued they be deprioritized in an age when chemical, biological and nuclear warfare are possible.

An ominous feeling tented the empty road and thick woods in Quantico, and the sound of guns slammed through the air. I met Special Agent Andy, a fine host for the FBI, at the first security checkpoint, and he immediately drove me past a sign, which read, "Danger. Field Firing in Process." Was this disclaimer the result of an accident? Perhaps a speaker had been shot in her compact rental car. I scanned for stray bullets.

Andy took me on a brief tour of the grounds, pointing out a pretend town called Hogan's Alley with fake storefronts, including a bank in which actors are hired at $12.00 per hour to play "robber," "hostage" or "drug dealer" with FBI trainees.

I laughed, "Do the actors ever win?" Andy gave me a stern look, "We take that very seriously. It is not good to get shot even in playtime."

Andy had a penchant—as did all the agents I met—for comparing their work with crime shows and movies. At one point he mentioned, "We (the FBI) are more like Barney Miller than James Bond. More paperwork than adventure." In many ways, the afternoon was a crash course in TV trivia.

The presentation room was a small lecture hall with a podium, microphone and display screen for the speaker, and fixed seats on ascending levels for attendees. I was told that two FBI psychologists would sit in on my lecture. Although the psychologists were charming, I felt their aim was to scrutinize me, to learn how to squash the animal rights movement. I felt the others were there to learn.

My presentation began with undercover video footage inside a vivisection lab. It showed a man in a white coat pounding on a Beagle puppy and forcing tubes down several dogs' throats; the animals were clearly in distress. I surmised cleaning liquids or pesticides would be poured down the tubes since they were routinely tested at this lab. In another clip, monkeys screamed while their penises were electrocuted by scientists.

Andy shouted from the back of the room, "The FBI will prosecute this sort of cruelty if videos like this are brought to our attention."

I pointed out that obtaining undercover video is illegal in itself, even more so with the advent of the Animal Enterprise Terrorism Act, which states that a person can be prosecuted if he or she causes over $10,000 worth of economic damage to a corporation that uses animals. Showing undercover video could cause investors to sell their stocks, decimating profits. Those who unveil the video could face time in prison and fines.

In addition, I told the crowd that it was unlikely the barbarous treatment of dogs and monkeys in the footage was against the law. And even if it was, prosecution tends to result in nothing more than a slap on the wrist. Because animals are property, and the law generally finds it acceptable to use and kill animals for human gain, imposing prison terms and steep fines on large corporations—who have even larger lawyers--is rare.

During my lecture, I was able to get several law enforcement executives to admit openly that they would break the law, if necessary, to rescue an animal in distress, although they did not specifically agree to break into a research lab or factory farm. This was quite an accomplishment because prior to the presentation, Andy had privately told me that any FBI agent who did not or could not (for ethical reasons) uphold all US laws would be fired. My audience was mostly non-FBI so they surely kept their jobs.

Andy was keen on discussing "solutions" for bridging the gap between "them and us," although he hinted that the Bureau's favored tactic was to develop a network of spies within the animal movement who would report illegal actions. I told Andy this strategy was sure to fail because I had been a loyal animal rights person for 25 years, and had only heard about two so-called criminals: the aforementioned renegade researcher and pigeon man, neither connected to the movement.

I was pleased with Andy's desire to better the relationship between law enforcement and animal rights activists and offered the following suggestions. First, I said that law enforcement could advise the President and Congress to support legislation that improves the situation for nonhumans and to enforce existing anti-cruelty laws. The FBI could also place "weeding out animal cruelty" higher on its "to do" list.

Secondly, I suggested that the FBI work on bettering its image and investigate real terrorists rather than plunging into what is perceived as a modern-day Inquisition. It was both curious and alarming that every person who found out about my speaking engagement "freaked out." This mistrust no doubt largely stemmed from the problematic history of the FBI; which is detailed in Richard Gid Powers' book, Broken: The Troubled Past and Uncertain Future of the FBI. Powers argues that the Bureau hones in on any issue that "represent(s) the fears and hatred of the masses or classes," rather than investigating those crimes that most offend the law or pose the gravest danger, an allegation that coincides with what animal and environmental supporters call today's "Green Scare."

Beginning with the FBI's inception in the early 1900's, Powers' book moves through the FBI's "witch hunts" against "whomever might be the public enemy of the day." There was the "White Slavery Scare," which was embarked upon due to a racist fear by Whites about the increasing power of Blacks, the "Adultery Scare," and the notorious "Red Scare," among others.

Today, a substantial number of people feel the Patriot Act is used for political reasons, and the ACLU charges that the FBI is spying on and examining the records of thousands of law-abiding US citizens. Andy says these allegations are untrue and that the Bureau supports free speech and lawful protest. He adds that simply tapping a phone takes excessive manpower; therefore, would only be reserved for someone who is a substantial threat.

My third suggestion was that law enforcement officers make good "situation ethics" decisions. Even though Andy insisted laws are not malleable, I know there is always the exercise of discretion and could tell lecture attendees agreed by their nodding heads. I pointed out situations in which police officers have leeway to make decisions that directly affect the life or safety of animals.

For example, during the Katrina disaster, some officers allowed people to evacuate with their animals; others did not. At a burning apartment building in Tennessee in 2003, police and firefighters refused to allow a man to rescue his trapped dog who was clawing at the glass of a sliding door. The man eventually ignored law enforcement's orders and rescued his dog. He was handcuffed and charged with misdemeanors, outraging the public and arguably tarnishing the reputation of local law enforcement. If the man's two-year-old daughter had been clawing at the glass, would law enforcement have told him to "stand back and let the child die?"

As a finale to my lecture, I questioned why the only difference between a criminal and a terrorist--according to the US Code of Federal Regulations as listed on the FBI website--relates to the latter's desire to further "political or social objectives." The word "terrorist" evokes the image of an evil person while the word "criminal" has a less pejorative connotation, even when the offenses are the same.

One can only assume that "furthering political or social objectives" frightens those in power, who crave to maintain the status quo. Perhaps those who control society—such as corporations, government entities and media conglomerates--fear the ideology of an animal liberationist could catch hold and topple them from their golden thrones, reducing their animal product profits and a overturning a lifestyle which requires nonhumans be seen as means to a human end. Is this the true reason behind branding the ALF as "terrorists?"

After the lecture, Andy asked me, "Could you come back and speak again?"

"I doubt it. Unfortunately, I don't fare well on long plane rides."

He added, "Well, maybe you could give me the name of someone who could."

I grinned and replied, "I knew you'd ask me to name names. I have no choice but to report this in my secret file."
_______________________

Excerpt from this article was published in the Los Angeles Daily News on Sunday, May 28, 2006.

Charlotte Laws is a columnist and Greater Valley Glen Councilmember. She authors a chapter of the book, "Igniting a Revolution: Voices in Defense of Mother Earth" (published April 2006) about the ALF.

Her website is  http://www.CharlotteLaws.org
hope you feel better about yourself now 13.Jun.2006 12:27

anonymous of course

Well, the F.B.I. hired you for a time being and you helped them out. You had a nice chat with those who throw humans in cages on a daily basis just like those people who throw animals in cages on a daily basis.
The F.B.I. - a group that has helped put many people behind bars, has gotten many people KILLED, I'm sorry, let me say that again, has gotten many people KILLED. They have ACTIVELY DESTROYED OUR ATTEMPTS AT CHANGING THIS WRETCHED WORLD - let me repeat that agin as well, THEY HAVE ACTIVELY DESTROYED OUR ATTEMPTS AT CHANGING THIS WRETCHED WORLD. They are among the many groups who help keep this world miserable, which has led to a few of my friends committing suicide over the years, along with a few attempts myself. They keep us in a world of shit, and you - you just help them out.
Okay buddy - you greet them with open arms instead of a loaded gun - fine, fuck off, and I hope you die a horrible death, then we can all dig up your remains and piss on them.

get the message out 13.Jun.2006 12:37

talk'in to the man

Congratulations to Charolette for running the risk. It seems to me that us in the Justice Movement have a message that is so strong that we should gladly talk with "the man." Everyone has a conscience that can be reached, I believe.

Maybe some people in the FBI at that meeting had a change of heart. Hope So!

New York FBI killed civilians and blew up World Trade Center in 1993 13.Jun.2006 14:17

counter-terrorism squads as terrorism watch

FBI are the real terrorists: the bomb building, citizen killing, and "social and political agenda" kind that should be arrested under the Patriot Act. Put it to some use for a change...

It was the New York FBI that blew up the World Trade Center in 1993


FBI attack World Trade Center WTC 1993 - CTE - Reopen911.org
www.reopen911.org
1 min 20 sec
Reopen 911.org's Confronting the Evidence segment from Alex ..
 http://video.google.com/videoplay?docid=6752092058844526234

What a pathetic excuse for a human being. 13.Jun.2006 18:24

@

The best that your talk with the FBI could hope to achieve is to improve the FBI's psychological profile of animal rights/green activists. What would the FBI do with that improved psychological profile? Well, history shows us that they would use it to refine their methods of HARASSING AND DESTROYING THE LIVES of people JUST LIKE YOU.

What you did was stupid and self serving.

This was a stride in the right direction 13.Jun.2006 20:15

....

The people of the FBI are people like us, except that they have been brainwashed to fear us. Their natural protective instincts (the same instincts that make us rescue pigions, puppies, ratties, etc.) have been hijacked and exploited to make them rescue corporations or "Americans" from us. We rescue the innocent, and they rescue the people who are "harmed" by not being allowed to harm others. They have protective instincts just like us, only they are fooled into thinking they are doing the right thing.
The reason why they can be easily fooled and we cannot is because they have learned to run away from themselves--they have been taught that emotion is a sign of weakness. So they ignore their built in guilt system, thinking that they are doing the right thing. Their guilt will "set them free" by allowing them to vow to themselves to never repeat the same mistake (like turning on an animal rights activist)...but by ignoring their guilt, they lose part of their humanity and become like a tool for those without conscious.
That is why they are like us, but not like us. Of course, as a caretaker's rights activist myself, I say that the best solution to this problem, indeed a panacea for many social ills, is to support caretakers in taking their time with their children, because children naturally keep us honest and can bring out the best of a person if given a chance. Ignoring a child's emotions and taking the easy way out is not the answer. But I digress....
The way that people in the FBI continue on their anti-social paths right in the middle of the society that theyn believe they are protecting is because they are isolated from us. Their guilt will cause them to reinforce their own destinys by patting each other on the back. So their psychological needs are met within their group, and they have no need to meet "the real people."
This is dangerous. Separation is what destroys humanity and society.
What Charlotte did was a ray of light in darkness. No matter the pretext of her speaking arrangement, the audience could not deny the truth before their very eyes, that she was a good person onto something worthwhile. If they see this often enough, and if they see the lies often enough, and if they see how their friends are changing, they will change too. It's not easy, because it will take admitting that they are wrong, but inside they want to be right.
There are many FBI types who have "defected" because they are disgusted and cannot take being used as a tool by people who do not care about them.....

Oh come on now, these are not people, these are murderers... 13.Jun.2006 20:41

@

As someone who has been harassed by the FBI, I can tell you first hand that they are NOT like us. You cannot be a normal human being and be a member of the FBI. They do not fear us, THEY HATE US. They know perfectly well that we are no danger to anyone. They want us to shut up and go away. If we refuse to shut up, they intend to make us shut up.

You cannot be an FBI agent unless you are a sociopath (that is, you have no empathy). People choose to become FBI agents because THEY WANT TO HARASS people.

I question the veracity of anyone supporting this silly stunt that was performed in front of the FBI. If they FBI asked you to bark like a dog, would you? If they asked you to jump, would you ask "how high?"

Come on, these people are our enemies. They chose to be part of the FBI BECAUSE they are our enemies.

You can no more talk sense to an FBI agent than you could talk sense to a KGB agent. They are vile, heartless murderers.

Bullshit 14.Jun.2006 00:17

marmot

How do we know this is anything but propaganda? The article and subsequent responses emphasize the humanity of the FBI and instill hope that it could be safe to talk with them. It presents the illusion of the good cops to balance the illusion of bad ones. The truth is the institution itself serves one end, to disrupt social justice movements. Locally activists who've talked with the fbi have found themselves threatened with the having their children taken away. Cooperation means saying what they want, not telling the truth. Any article that instills the slightest measure of confidance in this institution should be viewed with the utmost distrust. During Cointellpro operations the FBI murdered activists, committed perjury, and wrote false letters under false pretenses to turn activists on one another. As we speak they are cooperating with homeland security to snatch muslims and black bag them to torture/interrogation camps that violate international human rights treaties, and laws. The pretense that any servant of this institution is "good" is despicable. If they are good, they'll recognize that treaties signed by our government are the law of the land, and quit right now.

what is agent Andy's 14.Jun.2006 07:07

x

last name & FBI ID number (or whatever they use)? and the names etc of the other attendees? this is not journalism, this is soft-core cop porn (pun intended).

Planting 14.Jun.2006 07:19

Seeds

"They are among the many groups who help keep this world miserable, which has led to a few of my friends committing suicide over the years, along with a few attempts myself. They keep us in a world of shit, and you - you just help them out.
Okay buddy - you greet them with open arms instead of a loaded gun - fine, fuck off, and I hope you die a horrible death, then we can all dig up your remains and piss on them."

Suicide is just a choice - the willful termination of an incarnation and an individual action. It has the look of the easy way out. It's a revolving door though. Don't blame others. A person can whine through many lifetimes but eventually they will have to do the work of evolving.

I don't think you've ever met them with a loaded gun, but it sounds powerful to you and you go on to take comfort in wishing a horrible death to the author. It sounds like they have "won" in your mind because both you and they wear a cloak of hate. Does it matter that you each have different targets? See, you do have something in common with them.

I believe the author was attempting a different approach and walking into the belly of the beast is an action few are suited for. I don't think for a minute her purpose was to show them as the "good guys". She held a belief and she communicated it. Since it occurred in an environment they felt "safe", it is possible seeds were planted without revealing names.

She was tending to a garden choked with weeds. I choose to applaud her.

"They are not like us?" 14.Jun.2006 10:23

dana

Us and them. WE are the good guys and THEY are the bad guys. They are the enemy. They are not like us. They do not think like us. We must destroy them. They are evil. We must rid ourselves of evil. Let's make war.
Us and them. They are not like us. They are animals. They have no soul. They do not feel pain the way we do. We must destroy them. We must use them. Let's make war.
Until people willingly start looking at their own motives, their own biases, with clarity and the brutal honesty it takes to recognize that we all carry the potential for both good and evil behavior, that we are as like them as they are like us, there can be no resolution to these issues. We will continue to abuse, torture, and make war upon any person, any creature who does not fit our definition of "like us."

I agree with "...." 14.Jun.2006 10:58

Jody Paulson

I'm not sure if I would have done what Charlotte did, but we'll never change the world if we cling to the same old "us vs. them" paradigm.

All FBI guys are inherently evil? What about Colleen Rowley and Robert Wright?  link to www.prisonplanet.com

Change is most profound when it comes from within.

A Fair Representative of the Dominant Culture of the Dominant Species 14.Jun.2006 13:35

yarrow


Get Real 14.Jun.2006 16:32

@

To those of you (assuming you are not FBI shills) trying to argue that FBI agents are just like the rest of us, I suggest you learn a little history. According to FBI documents pertaining to the FBI's COINTELPRO program, FBI agents who did not harass activists were amonished, punished, and moved from their positions. The FBI exists to repress progressive moments. Any FBI agent who tries to do go, such as those listed in another post above, gets fired or removed from their job and replaced by another repressive and twisted son of a bitch. So long as there is an FBI, the FBI will be your enemy BECAUSE the FBI has declared war on you (not the other way around). For example, right after 9/11, the director of the FBI listed Anarchists has one of his top targets. Anarchists did nothing to earn that honor.

The FBI is your enemy. I know this first hand. You can be the most innocent and well intentioned person within the borders of the United States, but if you say things they do not like they will harass you, your spouse, your parents, your brothers, your sisters, and your children. Don't be fooled by these fools who try to make you believe that befriending Satan (the FBI) will end the class war. They, the ruling class, have the FBI so that it can wage war on you. It will always serve that purpose. Anyone who says otherwise is either lying, delusional, or a shill.

how unfortunate 16.Jun.2006 01:58

too bad

those two FBI psychologists will do enough damage to make up for any "defectors" who were moved by ms. laws performace (and then some).

thanks to ms laws, FBI agents will be better equipped to pose as activists and spout the right philosophy to get accepted into the movement.

actual agents undercover in the movement will be more valuable to the FBI in disrupting the movement than turncoats like jake ferguson and paid informants like "anna".

gee thanks lady. you just helped the animals alot.

next time maybe you will heed the advice of your lawyer.

I wrote about their humanity and how they are like us, 16.Jun.2006 02:02

the "stride in the right direction" comment author

and no, I am not making propaganda!!! I get called RADICAL all the time. You're being exposed to the "radical" idea of uniting humanity, not propaganda. It sounds foreign because we are brainwashed to fight with each other.
Yes, the FBI and others are guilty of everything they are accused of, no argument there.
But, have you ever heard of a Hobbesian trap? It's a situation where people fight, not because they want to, but because they are locked into it once they start. WE are the strong ones, and the FBI are the wimps, and once they get into a conflict with "the people" they are too weak to pull out. We must end it, and we must end it by allowing them to be strong, like us. We must allow them to be strong....with knowledge...because knowledge is power.
We must do what we can to reach them. Their brainwashers feed upon the isolation of their FBI victims. The less the FBI hears from us, the more we will become "the others."
If a good guy is fired and replaced with a psycho, then great!!! Let's keep the good guys good, and make them fire everyone until no one is left to hire. It will make an army of good guys with a debt to settle. All this kind of math is what we want. But it doesn't work unless we can keep the good guys good.
i have never been harassed by the FBI, but I do know the feeling. I AM A WOMAN, living in patriarchy, and no one has to hire the FBI to harass me, because patriarchy already does it. I am not joking about that, patriarchy is why I am an activist, it's why I'm "radical."

patronizing and naive 16.Jun.2006 02:35

don't buy this BS

lady, "patriarchy" is a concept, and yes, it does oppress us. FBI agents are people, paid to do a job, and yes, they are human. but that does not make it a good idea to talk to them. they will use the information you give them against someone or possibly yourself. there will never be "no one left to hire". there is always someone ready and willing to to the dirty work for a paycheck. failure to acknowledge this is naivety and it will not serve you. in fact, your portrayal of FBI operatives as "brainwashed" and "isolated" and needing illumination is not only ridiculous, it is patronizing and offensive. if you are struggling against patriarchy you would do well to learn how to recognize patronizing attitudes! you set up a false concept in which FBI agents are like children and activists the teachers. you are buying right into their plan. they want you to "educate" them because it helps them in their work, busting people.

if the fbi wants you to talk to them, you have a right to remain silent and you have the right to an attorney. even if you know you have not broken the law, you should always invoke those rights if you do not wish to incriminate yourself or others.

FBI agents lie, it is not unlawful for them to do so. they will tell you anything you want to hear to make you feel comfortable talking to them. don't buy it.

to the patronizing and naive writer 16.Jun.2006 08:54

.....

Are YOU patronizing and naive?...
This article was about animal rights philosophy, and breaking through mindsets to reach commonality, not being stopped at a street corner and being asked for the names and addresses of your friends. Could that be patronizing of you to assume this article was about something else? Think about it.
Could you be naive to think that men actually know how to run the world, that your emphasis on our differences and on insulting others is a good way to unite the nation? Could you be naive to think that women won't do a better job?
Anyone who is anti-social like the FBI DOES have a problem with their psychological development, and they will follow flock mentality until we change that. That is self-evident. Are you envious that a woman came up with the truth AGAIN, and not you?
If you really cared about changing the world, wouldn't you not imagine such things as this article being about divulging information about your friends, in order to justify insulting a woman, and......move on?!?!?!?!?
While you are thinking about that and wondering why you don't get laid as much as you want to, we will doing the revolutionary work of going into enemy territory with a message of love and compassion, that people would much rather listen to than old school fighting.

think about it 16.Jun.2006 09:59

hmmm?

Assume the FBI and their informants are at all our events, lectures, conferences, meetings and protests, especially when they tell us that is exactly what they are doing. if you think they need to invite an activist to privately lecture them in order to get information to profile us, you do not understand their strategies. This article was actually published in the mainstream media, allowing our view to be diseminated to people who need to understand our motivations to hopefully win over their hearts to our cause. I'm not saying we should all go out and talk to the FBI, but there is grey area and I am tired of our movement's black and white view of things.

there is a former fbi agent who 16.Jun.2006 11:19

++++

is now pro-animal rights (and no, she is not an informant...) I don't honestly see what's wrong with presenting the clarity of our message to those who ask. If they want to see how animals are brutalized in labs and on farms, let them. Maybe some of their hearts will open like many of ours did.

I have also met some of the nastiest animal rights activists on the planet, and I can no longer make that distinction in personality between everyone who thinks like us must be good-hearted, and everyone who doesn't must be evil at heart. People are complex. Including people in the fbi and animal and eco rights activists.

Reaching Out for Understanding 16.Jun.2006 11:55

banderín negro

...honest!
"We're Very Interested in Gray Areas"

J. Edgar's Secret Life 16.Jun.2006 18:41

@

J. Edgar exploited the sexual secrets of others while hiding his own.
J. Edgar Hoover
J. Edgar Hoover

still patronizing and naive 19.Jun.2006 16:57

still not buying this BS

"Could that be patronizing of you to assume this article was about something else?"

I know what the article was about. I read it. And I also know that the FBI did not invite Charlotte Laws to talk to them because they are going soft on animals. The presence of the psychologists is important. This was an effort to gather information that FBI agents undercover will be able to use to infiltrate the animal rights movement.

"Could you be naive to think that men actually know how to run the world, that your emphasis on our differences and on insulting others is a good way to unite the nation? Could you be naive to think that women won't do a better job?...Are you envious that a woman came up with the truth AGAIN, and not you?"

Could you be naive to assume that I am a man? Actually, I am a woman, and personally, I do think women would do a better job! What does this have to do with anything? I am supposed to presume that Charlotte Laws made the right decision because she is a woman? Bullshit!

"If you really cared about changing the world, wouldn't you not imagine such things as this article being about divulging information about your friends, in order to justify insulting a woman, and......move on?!?!?!?!?"

Whatever. I never said anything about any "friends" of mine. Again you are making an assumption, and a wrong one. My comment has nothing to do with insulting a woman. I called out certain comments as patronizing and naive, and I stand by my assertion.

"While you are thinking about that and wondering why you don't get laid as much as you want to..."

Now that you know I am a woman, how do you feel about your ridiculous post?

umm 19.Jun.2006 20:07

DA

I think the real bullshit about this is that 'Igniting a Revolution' would print writing by a woman who works with the FBI and has friends in the LAPD.

Embarassing or disgusting?

A more appropriate (and safer) response 09.Jul.2006 09:02

would have been what this person did:

7 July 2006
Press Officer Turns Down FBI Offer to Speak at HQ in Quantico

Canoga Park, CA: Two weeks ago one of the North American Animal Liberation Press
Officers received an unsolicited offer by email from FBI Headquarters in Quantico,
Virginia to speak to a classroom full of "police executives".

As long as non-human animals continue to be oppressed, imprisoned, tortured and
murdered by humans for their personal pleasure and profit, the Press Office will
continue to support those brave warriors who risk their lives and freedom to fight
for animal liberation. And we certainly have no plans to educate state police
agencies on how to catch them.

The following reply was returned this week; the original request is reprinted below
that.




July 4, 2006
Dear Mr. Bringuel:

While I appreciate your offer to speak to "police executives" from around the world
at the FBI Academy in Quantico, VA, I must decline to do so. My role as Press
Officer with the North American Animal Liberation Press Office is to explain and
support the liberation of animals who are imprisoned, tortured, exploited, and
murdered by the billions; the role of the Federal Bureau of Investigation and other
state police agencies is to target, harass, imprison, or otherwise "neutralize"
those who break unjust laws that perpetuate the oppression and slaughter of
innocent, defenseless animals.

Because our goals are ideologically and diametrically opposed, there is no reason
to believe that any information I impart to your classes will be employed in any
manner other than to further your own illicit goals of suppression of liberation
activities. I have no intention of aiding and abetting your agency by providing
information and insights that might be used against activists.

I am aware that others from the animal rights/liberation movement have cooperated
with your agency, but I am not interested in doing so. As you are no doubt aware, I
have chosen in the past to speak to members of the U.S. Senate Environment and
Public Works Committee on the subject, but they constitute an elected body that
presumably can be educated to effect change that might benefit animals. Your agency
has goals pertaining only to the maintenance of the status quo (or - as you state
it so characteristically - the "social order") by quashing those who challenge
immoral and unjust laws.

Perhaps one day the state will recognize its obligation to stop the oppression of
non-human animals - not unlike governments that have been forced to recognize the
rights of various human groups in places like Algeria, South Africa, Viet Nam, and
here in the United States where black humans suffered (and continue to suffer) from
inhumane treatment by whites.

Some nations have stopped the most cruel practices of veal crates, chicken battery
cages, and cosmetic testing on animals - while others, like Barcelona, are
legislating rights for some non-human primates. Until that day when non-human
beings are afforded the right to be free of human domination, I will support those
who risk their freedom for the animals and will continue to educate the media about
why some activists decide to go underground to liberate animals and stop the
horrific crimes perpetrated daily - and with your express blessings - against
non-humans.

Sincerely:

Jerry W. Vlasak, MD
Press Officer
North American Animal Liberation Press Office
www.animalliberationpressoffice.org


"When a person places the proper value on freedom, there is nothing under the sun
that she will not do to acquire that freedom. Whenever you hear a person saying he
wants freedom, but in the next breath she is going to tell you what she won't do to
get it, or what he doesn't believe in doing in order to get it, he doesn't believe
in freedom. A person who believes in freedom will do anything under the sun to
acquire...or preserve his freedom."-- Malcolm X


Bringuel, Andrew wrote:

> Dr. Vlasak;
>
> My name is Andrew Bringuel and I am an instructor/researcher at the FBI Academy
at Quantico, Virginia. I teach a course that deals with understanding the motives
and tactics of activist groups/individuals and the governments response options.
The class is taught to police executives from the United States and around the
world through the FBIs National Academy program.
>
> The class studies both historical and contemporarily significant groups in order
to understand their motives and tactics. They also look at ways government can
respond to maintain social order while resolving conflict. The class is taught as
a graduate level course through a partnership between the FBI and University of
Virginia. I bring in different speakers representing many different world views.
I am looking to establish a speakers bureau so I have a ready group of available
speakers for future classes.
>
> I believe your insights as a leader in the animal rights community would be
beneficial for the students. I have hosted Anthony Nocella and Charlotte Laws.
Both provided valuable insight and felt the experience to be a positive one. I
dont have much of a budget for guest instructors but I can pay $600 for your
expenses and time. The block of instruction would be 2 hours and I am looking for
a speaker for the 2nd quarter of 2007 (February/March).
>
> Let me know if you are interested or if you have any questions.
>
> Thank you,
>
> Andy Bringuel
> 703 632-1927

BELLUM OMNIUM CONTRA OMNES: Thomas Hobbes (The War of All Against All) 23.Jul.2006 18:24

Antoinette

I read some of the comments to this article with amazement, wondering if it would ever be possible to get some of the writers to notice the pit of hatred out of which they write, and the darkest of dark emotions that they choose to vent. And I read it with sadness that our beloved animals should have no better spokespersons than these. After all, Charlotte communicated animal rights philosophy to the FBI (which is published in numerous books and articles), and showed the audience a film of atrocities against animals that most of them would never otherwise see, and may well have affected some of them.

Here are some of the comments:

fuck off, and I hope you die a horrible death (really, would you have a drink in a bar with this person?)

It was the New York FBI that blew up the World Trade Center in 1993 (This is one of those curious conspiracy theoies, and nothing to do with the article under discussion?)

What a pathetic excuse for a human being (harsh words from a presumed animal lover)

Oh come on now, these are not people, these are murderers (oh come on now, even meat-eaters recognize that murderers are also people)

Bullshit (just plain rudeness)

They are not like us. They are animals. From an animal lover, calling the FBI 'animals' is quite a fantastic statement.)

Satan (the FBI) (in the long history of religion, a lot of people and institutions have been labeled 'Satan;' this is another such one and has about the same credibility as the rest of them)

Some of the other comments were rational and deserve applause, not because they supported Charlotte's decision to talk to the FBI because there is always room for disagreement, but because they were written with kindness not hatred, charity not obscenity.

The saddest thing is that the community of animal lovers appears burdened with people who are constantly attacking each other in the harshest language. Our animals do not have the same power of expression as we have, but if I were one of them, I would be inclined to say: 'With friends like these, who needs enemies?'