More Water Engine, Inventor Danny Klein's HHO water car and patented HHO welding torch

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Here's more - a discussion - on the topic.  http://digg.com/technology/Water_Fuel_-_HHO_Gas
The electrolysis of water takes a lot of energy (it has to come from somewhere), then you get the usable energy out of the water.
So, the "news" report is very misleading when it says his fuel source is water (it's really electricity); and the report is flat out wrong when it says his vehicle can run exclusively on water; it won't work without batteries!

I think anyone with a really good understand of thermodynamics would laugh at this "news."

"The electrolysis of water takes a lot of energy "

Inserting a non-claim and then "debunking" it is a troll tactic. This is not electrolysis. This was all addressed in the first post's first video. All the PR spin in the world fails to remove the patents and why it works, repeatedly for many people who have filed different technological applications: it is drawing on non-thermodynamic sources of energy. Plenty of worldwide patents for this already, from many different people, though what we are dealing with is a criminal energy clique pretending it is the government of the people, making decisions on your consumption without your input.

They know that to cut out their consumer clientelism to oil, means their complete destruction, since this non-thermodynamic source of energy is really uncapturable or "griddable" like energy monopolies in the past 120 years off oil.

They control you through technology clientelism. Remove that clientelism, and they are powerless. See the original link for more videos and patents.

Of course oil as a source of chemicals and lubricants will assuredly still be employed. However, oil as an applied energy source can be removed with ease, because these frameworks can be hitched to existing engine blocks without much adaption or expense.

As per US patent #68666756 which can be found at: http://patft1.uspto.gov/netacgi/nph-Parser?Sect1=PTO2&Sect2=HITOFF&p=1&u=%2Fnetahtml%2FPTO%2Fsearch-bool.html&r=2&f=G&l=50&co1=AND&d=PTXT&s1=Klein.INNM.&s2=electrolysis&OS=IN/Klein+AND+electrolysis&RS=IN/Klein+AND+electrolysis "An electrolyzer for electrolyzing water into hydrogen gas and oxygen gas for use as an additive to the fossil fuels on which an internal combustion engine" It is clear that Mr. Klein is using DC electrical current through an electrolysis generator to crack small amounts of water into H20 and 02 and add it to the gasoline mix of the engine to improve mileage by roughly 30% over straight gasoline...at the expense of the DC current stored in the batteries and pulled off the electrical grid. It is interesting...but is not Earth moving or going to change the world unless you source your electricity from cleaner sources such as wind, solar or nuclear. Bad media coverage...a desire for FOX sensationalism, and reporters are idiots. A basic understanding of the laws of thermodynamics...and reading the patent application...leads to a big "yawn"...been done before mostly...just a possibly better attempt. Let me repeat: A small amount of extracted hydrogen gas is added to the GASOLINE/air mixture to improve mileage, READ the patent application...the car does NOT run off 4 ounces of water! It needs gasoline and charged battery banks to work! Ghost

While it does use gasoline as a source to genrate dc, it does in fact extend the energy extracted from combustion.....so i rest my case. You know when you drive your hybrid car, you are using the same priciple, nothing more than efficiently burning fuel.

P.S. I'm in the process of coverting my diesel (100% bio) to a hydrogen injected hybrid, can't wait to drive by all the 'nay sayer' suckers at the pump who keep on saying "it won't work...nope it'll never work" they open thier mouths to say nope, I chose to keep mine shut with a smile

I'm going to start by saying that I'm not a scientist nor do I really understand thermodynamics. However I do know cars. I believe that if you retrofit a vehicle with one of these fancy water generators and a hybrid batery pack along with a high performance alternator with a few capacitors for that extra umph (which are getting more common due to people wanthing to run very large stereo systems). You could run this car strait of the gas this thing generates. I have seen an old carburated car run off of a hydrogen hose held to the intake for several minutes as a demonstration of this. Heck they even put it on t.v. with that mythbusters show. I guess what i'm trying to say is that between everything that people have done over the last hundred years with cars I don't see why this isn't possible. I think that those of you who say that it takes to much power to run one of these things need to take a close look at what a good quality battery and alternator are capable of especially if you add a few capacitors. The only draw back is that without knowing what the generator costs this has the potential for costing about $10,000+/- to retrofit. but if someone came out with a generic high powered batery pack that was not horribly expensive then it really is plausible.

There is a new battery being developed and studied right now in (I forget which university, someone help me) that runs off of the same thing you bleach your hair and clean your wounds with: H2O2, better known as Hyderogen Peroxide...

Without cannibalizing memory so much(or my backspace key too much due to spelling errors corrected) or the site I am recalling (PESwiki.com, I think) They are developing a battery that is 20 times more powerful than a standard 60 pound lead-acid car battery) all being generated by electrolyzing and capactiating 35-70% h202!

Think of it...a battery generating THAT much power. shrinking it down to the size and weight of a deck of cards and saying good-bye to the sears die-hard! and putting it into your car of today...ten, maybe five years from now....

If the cars alternator has a enough current to run the machine (they mention that they had to upgrade to a 100 amp alternator on the prototype) than this is real and can be done and is being done with out any help from the power grid. Even if you need help from the power grid to charge batteries water is your fuel and using a little power from the power grid to recharge a battery can't possible use more power than a refinery uses to refine fossel fuel.

Why is everyone so narrow minded on this, the old school experiments were done by putting a cathode and anode (strips of metal) at each end of beaker filled with water and when charged with a battery only a few bubbles of gas were produced but if you put several(six or more) 5"x"5 sheet metal plates no less than an 1/8 apart, (you can use plastic wire ties to hold the plates together and to maintain the 1/8" distance) into a bucket of water, wire them positive, negative, positive, negative,... and hook them up to a 12 volt battery the water will practically boil from the amount of gas being produced.

Try this yourself, you can even use unpainted aluminum roof flashing (although the aluminum will corrode fast, stainless steel sheet metal is best).

I have done this and after seeing the results we built our own HHO torch (that cut right through stainless steel) once we have perfected our torch (add more plates to our electrolyser and a few more safety valves and gauges) we plan on building a HHO / oxyhydro generator to run our cars.

Regards,
mark

Think about it. You install a 100 amp alternator. It generates 12 volts at 100 amps after AC to DC conversion. That's 12*100 or 1200 watts of power, or about 1.6 horsepower.

You used that energy to break apart the water molecules into hydrogen (H2) and oxygen (O2). The amount of hydrogen and oxygen generated will be less than the amount needed to generate 1.6 horsepower using a 100% efficient motor. However, your engine is not 100% efficient, and neither is your alternator.

Let's be very very optimistic here and say that your alternator and engine are both 80% efficent. That means that your engine has to generate an extra 2 horsepower to turn your altnernator, and will get an extra 1.28 horsepower from the generated hydrogen and oxygen. (Engines are typically only about 50% efficient)

Hey, I have an idea, since we're buying a bunch of batteries, and charging them, and it's more efficent to run an elecrtic motor off of electricity than it is to use the batteries to generate hydrogen and oxygen, let's replace our engine with an electric motor.

Ohh, someone already did that and made an electric car.

Okay, here it is April 2008 and this is the first time I've even heard or seen anything about this.
With gas and heating oil @ $3.50/per gallon, why are we not pursuing this possiblity instead of being a nay sayer. Even the Presidential candidates aren't pursuing this one. It couldn't be any worse than the other manufactured excuses they are using.
Of course, could it be the big oil companies are hot on the trail of buying up the patent and any information that would hurt their Trillions. Ah yes, Economics and Politics, always in bed together and of course who gets ##$%%#%@???? You got it, the American consumer.