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can oregon be declared a nation under illegal occupation by court?

I am not an expert on legal processes and such, so I am just putting this out to see if anybody had any ideas if and how this crazy idea can be done. Could a case be taken to the circuit court in multnomah or another district that would declare the entity currently known as the United States Government an illegal regime?
I am sure there are better legal experts out there who can analyze the feasibility of this and put it together in a more sophisticated way, but here is the idea I had.

Somehow take a claim to the state court system along these lines:

Way back in 1850's, when the state of Oregon was formed, there was an entity known as the "United States". The state's sovereignty is subject to that entity. The state constitution does not define what it is, but often refers somewhat loosely to the "United States", "United States Government", and the "Federal Government". However, it is well understood that that entity known as the United States Government for which the State of Oregon defers much of its sovereignty to has the following properties: (1)- it's operation is fundamentally constrained by the United States Constitution, and (2)- secondarily, it's operation is constrained by the rule of law derived by its procedures which also are fundamentally constrained by the United States Constitution.

Today, it is clear that the entity currently known as the United States Government and for which the State of Oregon's sovereignty is still limited by, is in contempt of the United States Constitution as well as the rule of law derived from its political system. It shouldn't be too hard to present a list of examples for which the President, his administration, Congress, etc. apply here.

Therefore, that entity currently known as the United States Government cannot be considered the same entity known as the United States Government which ratified the State of Oregon in 1859. That original entity appears to no longer be operational.

Therefore, unless that original entity can be found operating somewhere, the State of Oregon must be declared a nation that is currently under occupation by an illegal regime.

Any attorneys or other legal experts out there who who think something like this shows some promise and would like to take on stuff like this?

In a nutshell 26.Apr.2006 05:11

Mike Novack stepbystpefarm <a> mtdata.com

No case (that the current US is not the same country)

Not all that up on Oregon/Washington history and the deatils of how they became states from a prior status. Of our states, Vermont, Texas, California, and Louisiana had prior existence and came in "by treaty" (the first three were once independent republics -- the last bought from France and there WERE conditions attached).

I know that both Vermont and Texas have special provisions that could in theory come into play but don't know if California reserved any special rights when it joined the US or sure of all the details and remember that we fought a civil war over whether states had a right to secceed. But I think ........

Vermont -- may have reserved a right to secceed and join Quebec if and when Quebec became independent but that might also be interpreted as a right for the two of them as one to be part of the US. Anyway -- this is why you hear every now and then of a conference in Vermont to discuss secession; the theoretical right is definitely there in the case of Vermont.

Texas --- may not have reserved a right to secceed but I think reserved a right to divide into five states (giving the old "Lone Star Republic" more senators). If any such right ever existed I think that it would have been considered extinguished by the Civil War when Texas was defeated and occupied (or War Between the States if you prefer -- I am married to a "reb").

that first western style government of the Oregon Country... May 2nd 26.Apr.2006 06:28

A Cascadian a_cascadian@yahoo.com

well... we really need to re-examine those early days of establishing a western style republic (republic being "of the public"). And this is a REALLY good time to re-examine that history which is often "white washed" by US Amerikan Imperialism, because May 2nd is the anniversary of Provisional Government birth in the Oregon Country (Cascadia, Chinook Illahee or Ecotopia). This coming week is the yearly celebration of that first government on May 2nd (called Founder's Day) at Champoeg (near Wilsonville) which unfortunately now is celebrated on May 6th. Imagine a huge group of Cascadians going to Champaeg to point out the fallacies in the US Amerikan national mythology that tends to retell those early days as if all those people were just sitting there waiting for annexation into the US.

The following are some very interesting insights to those early days (note the idea of a Pacific Republic as an early vision by Jefferson and continued by Osborne Russell in that first government... also note that that first government still favored "joint occupation" by the US Amerikans and British until extremist nationalist Amerikans added it to the Organic Act a month later):

Beginnings of Self-Government

Oregon came into the American sphere of influence in the 1790s when Captain Gray discovered the mouth of the Columbia River. Jefferson sent Lewis and Clark to explore Oregon in 1804, but he saw it possibly developing into a parallel, independent Republic of the Pacific, rather than a part of the United States.

The 1818 Treaty of London, which officially ended the War of 1812 and set the northern border of the Louisiana Territory at the 49th parallel, defined the Oregon Country as from Russian Alaska (54 degrees, 40' N) to Spanish California (40 degrees N) and from the Pacific Ocean to the crest of the Rocky Mountains. Political control was not vested in either the U.S. or Britain; the area was considered to be under "joint occupation." The treaty would be automatically extended every ten years (as it was in 1828 and 1838) unless one side gave notice of renegotiation (as the U.S. did in 1846).

In Oregon at this time, the need for government depended upon who you were. The local Indians had tribal laws and customs that served their cultures perfectly well. Hudson's Bay Company employees, whether active or the retired French-Canadians farming the Willamette Valley's French Prairie, came under the jurisdiction of the HBC charter and its factors. But the American fur traders, missionaries, former seamen, and arriving immigrants were on their own. They were outside the United States and lacked the protection of any government.

An incident occurred early in 1841 that underlined the need for an American government. Ewing Young, entrepreneur and cattle baron, died with considerable wealth, no apparent heir, and no system to probate his estate. A meeting followed Young's funeral at which a probate government was proposed. Doctor Ira Babcock of Jason Lee's Methodist Mission was elected Supreme Judge.

Most of the offices established in 1841 were vacant by 1843, as the probate government had no particular power outside divvying up the estates of the recently deceased in the event that they left no will or heirs. Lacking any other body to address the difficulties facing the American settlers, Babcock chaired two "Wolf Meetings" in 1842 which were ostensibly held to discuss the need to protect the countryside from wolves and other vermin "worse than wild animals," a thinly-veiled reference to the British. Babcock also chaired the two Champoeg Meetings which followed. The five meeting of '41 through '43 flowed together as a gradually unfolding process which led to the creation of a new government.

During 1842, agitation for an organized government began to increase. At one point a movement to make Oregon an independent country seemed popular. The annual arrival of new settlers and the simmering resentment of the British made for lively debates at the Oregon Lyceum and Willamette Falls Debating Society. Three individuals led the independence movement: Lansford Hastings, William Bennett, and James Marshall. Interestingly, it was in California that all three would later make their mark on history -- Hastings for his ill-conceived guidebook that doomed the Donner-Reed Party, Bennett for his role in the Bear Flag Revolution, and Marshall for discovering gold while supervising the construction of a sawmill for Johann Sutter in 1848.

On May 2, 1843, one hundred and two settlers met at Champoeg on the edge of French Prairie, halfway between Lee's Mission and Oregon City in the heart of the Willamette Valley. Fifty-two Canadians had instructions from the Hudson's Bay Company to head off any attempts at organizing an independent government. Fifty Americans stood united in favor of doing just that. Chaos almost prevailed, but when a vote was called for, two Canadians -- Etienne Lucien and Francois Matticaux, who were former Astorians and thus probably not as loyal to the HBC as the other Canadians -- joined the unified American bloc for a 52-50 vote. In principle, Oregon's Provisional Government was born that day.

A legislative committee was created and instructed to draft a constitution and report back on July 5. The committee met in Oregon City in May and June. Their constitution, called the Organic Act, was adopted on the 5th of July, officially marking the birth of the Provisional Government. The makeup of this nine-man committee was classically American, with a mountain man, missionaries, Oregon Trail pioneers, and one or two potentially shifty characters sitting at the same table.

Robert "Doc" Newell had been in Oregon as a mountain man since the early 1830s and had retired to his Champoeg farm. Thomas Jefferson Hubbard had jumped ship in 1834 and was cleared of a murder on Sauvie Island before settling down. James O'Neil had arrived with the 1834 Wyeth Expedition.

The next four members had all come to Oregon to be part of Jason Lee's Methodist Mission. William Gray, a Presbyterian farmer at the mission, arrived with the Whitmans in 1836. Alanson Beers had emigrated in 1837 from Connecticut. At age 62, Robert Moore was the oldest member, having come to Oregon with the Great Reinforcement of 1840. Robert Shortess had also arrived in 1840. Oregon's first constitution is in his handwriting.

The last two members of the legislative committee were genuine overlanders, having come to Oregon via the Oregon Trail. William Doughty, age 31, was the youngest member of the legislative committee. He had arrived with the Bidwell Party of 1841. David Hill had just arrived the previous winter and was farming the Tualatin Valley. Hill would join Beers and Joseph Gale on the first Executive Committee, a three-man committee that was intended to replace the post of governor.

The last gasp of the independence movement was headed off in the revision process. The preamble originally read, "We, the people of Oregon Territory, For purposes of mutual protection, and to secure peace and prosperity among ourselves, Agree to adopt the following laws and regulations." At the insistence of the ultra-American party the words "until such time as the USA extend their jurisdiction over us" were added. The three leaders of the pro-independence movement left for California and the history books before the Organic Act was adopted on July 5.

John McLoughlin, Chief Factor of the Hudson's Bay Company, reported to his superiors that the "American party with a few Englishmen formed themselves into a body." Interestingly, the HBC was invited to join the government, but McLoughlin refused. His superior, Governor Simpson, saw the Americans as "very energetic, the Bowie knife, Revolving Pistol and Rifle taking the place of the Constable's baton in bringing refractory delinquents to justice."

The 1843 Organic Act created a legislature, an executive committee, a judicial system, and a system of subscriptions to defray expenses -- Americans were not taxed, but were encouraged to make donations to support the Provisional Government. The laws of Iowa, which was the only legal codex the legislature happened to have handy, were extended to cover areas not provided for. Four districts, forerunners of counties, were created: Yam Hill, Twality, Champooick, and Clackamas. Clackamas District originally covered much of present day northern Oregon, all of eastern Washington, most of British Columbia and Idaho, and part of western Montana.

An 1845 revision of the Organic Act changed the dates of elections and the meeting dates of the legislature. The executive committee, which had proven to be somewhat unwieldy, was changed to a single governor. George Abernethy, a miller for the Oregon City Methodist Mission, was elected Oregon's first governor.

With the revisions to the Organic Act in 1845, conditions changed for the HBC. The census of 1845 reported 2109 people in Oregon, 1900 of them American immigrants. Canadians found themselves in the minority, and a new tolerance emerged toward the Americans. For the first time an HBC employee, Frank Ermatinger of Oregon City, was elected to hold office in the Provisional Government, defeating Philip Foster for the post of Treasurer. In August of 1845, the HBC formally joined the Provisional Government. John McLoughlin came under much criticism from Peter Skene Ogden and Governor Simpson for selling out to the Americans. Within six months, McLoughlin was demoted to Associate Chief Factor, and shortly thereafter he retired to Oregon City. He would eventually become an American citizen and serve as mayor of Oregon City.

Oregon City was designated as the capital of the Oregon Country. Significant bills included one preventing the introduction, sale and distillation of ardent spirits; an income and property tax of 1/8 of 1% to replace the subscription scheme adopted in 1843; an act that banned both slavery and free blacks with a penalty of 20-39 lashes "every six months until he or she shall quit the territory;" the incorporation of Willamette Falls into Oregon City and the Methodist Mission into the Oregon Institute; the creation of the Multnomah Circulating Library; and authorization for Sam Barlow to open a toll road around Mount Hood.

The 1846 session was pared back to only essential business upon hearing that the U.S. had given notice to abrogate the joint occupation treaty. The 1847 session, held in December, was punctuated by the Cayuse War. The Provisional Government in cooperation with the Hudson's Bay Company put an army into the field to pursue the murderers of Marcus and Narcissa Whitman. In 1850, five Indians were tried and hanged in Oregon City for the murders, though it is not at all certain that they were actually involved in the incident. The 1848 session was postponed until early 1849 because the discovery of gold in California nearly depleted the male population of Oregon, including many of the elected legislators.

The 1849 session would be the final session, as Governor Abernethy informed the legislature of the imminent arrival of Joseph Lane and other federal territorial officers. But first, the debts of the Cayuse War had to be paid off and an estimated $500,000 dollars in gold dust circulating in Oregon had to be taken care of. A bill creating a mint passed with only two dissenters, who correctly pointed out the unconstitutionality of minting money. When Governor Lane took over the government, the only Provisional Government law he threw out was that authorizing the minting of money. Federal officials collected all the Beaver coins they could, but the Beaver coins contained 8% more gold than their US equivalents, and some people refused to give them up.

In the spring of 1849, Joe Lane of Indiana, President Polk's choice as Oregon governor, stood on the balcony of William Holmes' Rose Farm and proclaimed Oregon to legally be under the jurisdiction of the United States. The Provisional Government created at Champoeg was out of business, but it had done a credible job of steering Oregon in its evolution from a British-dominated territory to a full part of the United States.

found at  http://www.endoftheoregontrail.org/road2oregon/sa31provgovt.html

George Abernethy

The pioneers now modified their form of government antd June 3, 1845, elected George Abernethy as Oregon's first, and last, provisional Governor. In that popular election his leading opponent was Osborne Russell, retiring Executive Committeemman a leader of the Independent party which, favoring formation of a Pacific Republic had the support of the Hudson's Bay group.

Dr. McLoughlin outgoing chief factor of the Hudson's Bay Company, had indicated his support. Abernethy was the candidate of the "American" party drawn heavily from the Mission group The aim of the Abernethy supI,orters was to make the government provisional only until such time as the United States might take the region under its protection

Abernethy, after serving two years, was re-elected in 1847, this time over A. L. Lovejoy. His second victory was due to the heavy majority given him in the counties north of the Columbia where he ran 10 to 1 over his opponent The Independents were in control in that area, and it was believed that Dr. McLoughlin put his influence behind the "American" group.

Abernethy, native New Yorker, born Oct. 6, 1807, was a merchant a Methodist, and a Whig. Generally reasonable, he showed some autocratic tendencies, as when he personally sent J. Quinn Thornton to the national capital to plead that the United States take Oregon in and help against marauding Indians. The Governor did this with out so much as notifying the Legislature or any other member of the government.

He also squelched the Democratic editors of the Oregon Spectator. Oregon's first newspaper; as the guiding force in the publishing company he wanted no politics in the paper. Two of the paper's first three editors resigned rather than carry out this policy.

In his messages to the Legislature, Abernethy set the precedent for nearly all his successors as Oregon Governor when he emphasized the "need for more revenue" to carry out expanding government activities.

One of the Governor's most emphatic expressions was his veto of a liquor license law in 1846. That was another issue that has persisted through the years.

Governor Abernethy was one of eight members of the unincorporated Oregon Exchange Company which coined the famous Beaver money-$5 and SIO gold pieces needed during the scarcity of American currency in the territory. The young commonwealth was having "legal tender" trouble and the Legislature even made wheat legal tender, to the great disgust of Governor Abernethy's paper the Spectator. The Beaver money, however, was just too good. It contained more pure gold to the dollar than did the standard gold coins of the United States. The economic pressure of "Gresham's law"--bad money drives out good-soon forced these too valuable dollars out of circulation.

Obviously road improvement was highly important in those days of beginnings to povide easier access to the river, which was then the main avenue of travel and transport. and the Governor did what he could to promote road building and repair.

Taxation was, naturally, a vital matter right from the start. Leslie M. Scott, Oregon historian, wrote that "... an avowed policy of taxation would have defeated the creation of the provisional government" (1843) Payment of taxes was first made compulsory in 1845, at one-fourth of one per cent ad valorem on property. Government expenses were rising, what with the $1.25 a day paid to each of the members of the Legislature, and other mountainous expenses and with higher taxation staring the people in the face the Legislature in 1846 passed a resolution asking that the needed money be raised by subscription. At a general meeting the citizens approved this plan and had subscription papers prepared, with the proviso that any subscriber might "at any time withdraw his name from said subscription upon paying up all arrearages and notifying the treasurer of his decision to withdraw."

So tax collection continued a difficult matter, as Sheriff Joe Meek, serving during the Abernethy administration, found it. Dr. John McLoughlin, richest man in the territory in 1846, was assessed at $12,212, which called for a payment of $15.77 in property and poll tax--a little more than one mill on the dollar. The next richest resident, Hamilton Campbell, was on the list for $7.96.

A most favorable estimate of Governor Abernethy was expressed by pioneer Peter Hurnett, who wound up a tribute to the provisional governor by saying, "It is a matter of doubt whether in the settlement of any portion of America by the whites any greater wisdom, forbearance, and good sense have been shown, except in the celebrated case of William Penn."

The bill making Oregon a territory of the United States was signed by President Polk August 14, 1848. On receiving word of the favorable action, Governor Abernethy sent a message (Feb. 5, 1849) to the Legislature (then in special session to fill vacancies in government caused by the exodus to golden California) informing the members about the development and advising an early adjournment t let the territorial Legislature, already elected take over.

When Governor Joseph Lane (appointed by President Polk to be the Governor of the new territory) arrived on Oregon March 3, 1849, he issued a proclamation giving official notice of the change and then sent a letter to Governor Abernethy inviting him to call. But the provisional Governor (as Carey's History tells it) "with a nice sense of the proprieties, indicated in a dignified manner that he would be glad to receive Governor Lane should the latter call to pay his respects." Thus the provisional Governor took care of the protocol until his successor was regularly sworn in.

1. Turnbull, George S. Governors of Oregon. Binfords & Mort, Publishers, Portland, Or 1959

found at  http://www.osl.state.or.us/home/lib/governors/ga.htm


You all forget there were lots of people here before European occupation 26.Apr.2006 07:30


I think the natives had it right. They lived within the limits of the land without any centralized government. I believe any talk of replacing one centralized government with another using the same geopolitical boundaries drawn up by settlers (as opposed to bioregional demarcation) is just another trial doomed to failure.

maybe a better question 26.Apr.2006 07:57


Is the purpose of asking about legality like attempting to take an apple from the bottom of a pile without upsetting the pile, to somehow retain some status quo in everything but a relationship with the entity known as the United States government? Seems to me that asking the question of legality evades the implication that everything may change.
Don't get me wrong, as I believe that ending the relationship is an appropriate area of investigation, it's just that it appears that simply asking makes legality moot.

We hold these Truths to be self-evident, that all Men are created equal, that they are endowed, by their Creator, with certain unalienable Rights, that among these are Life, Liberty, and the Pursuit of Happiness.

That to secure these Rights, Governments are instituted among Men, deriving their just Powers from the Consent of the Governed, that whenever any Form of Government becomes destructive of these Ends, it is the Right of the People to alter or abolish it, and to institute new Government, laying its Foundation on such Principles, and organizing its Powers in such Form, as to them shall seem most likely to effect their Safety and Happiness.

Prudence indeed, will dictate, that Governments long established, should not be changed for light and transient Causes; and accordingly all Experience hath shewn, that Mankind are more disposed to suffer, while Evils are sufferable, than to right themselves by abolishing the Forms to which they are accustomed. But when a long Train of Abuses and Usurpations, pursuing invariably the same Object, evinces a Design to reduce them under absolute Despotism, it is their Right, it is their Duty, to throw off such Government, and to provide new Guards for their future Security.

Brian 26.Apr.2006 08:53

a cascadian

Brian I did not forget .... that is why I wrote "western style" to kinda acknowledge the fact that we are still limited when we think of "government" or social structure that it must be "European" or at least some kind of "Oriental Empire"...

interesting aspect to the "Oregon government" may have had people in it who did have Native American familial connections... most were marriaed to Chinook women or Metis and some were what was labeled "half breeds".... The ethnologist Hortatio Hale of the US Exploring Expedition of 1841 described the use of Chinook Jargon during his stay at Fort Vancouver by a new emerging culture of Chinook Illahee in the 1840s:

"These are Canadians and half-breeds married to Chinook women, who can only converse with their wives in this speech, and it is the fact, strange as it may seem, that many young children are growing up to whom this factitious language is really the mother tongue, and who speak it with more readiness and perfection than any other."

But all in all it was a racist era and often pushed with racist empire building in mind.

The land west of the Rockies became part of US American national mythology as a territoy the US was entitled to control and even annex. The American newspaper, journalist John Louis O'Sullivan, was fundmental in pushing American expansionism. His idea a divine providence of American expansionism or imperialism (later called "Manifest Destiny") was originally written about in 1839 in his "The Great Nation of Futurity" published in the magazine The United States Democratic Review, but would become American political rhetoric in the coming years under an expansionist president. Later O'Sullivan in the "Annexation" (United States Magazine and Democratic Review, 1845) projects a national vision of an expansionist United States:

"Why, were other reasoning wanting, in favor of now elevating this question of the reception of Texas into the Union, out of the lower region of our past party dissensions, up to its proper level of a high and broad nationality, it surely is to be found, found abundantly, in the manner in which other nations have undertaken to intrude themselves into it, between us and the proper parties to the case, in a spirit of hostile interference against us, for the avowed object of thwarting our policy and hampering our power, limiting our greatness and checking the fulfillment of our manifest destiny to overspread the continent allotted by Providence for the free development of our yearly multiplying millions."

O'Sullivan's vision of Anglo-Saxon American expansionism envisioned a demographic take over of Mexican California. His racist and chauvinistic vision of an Anglo-Saxon dominance over North America is clearly reflected in his vision of an Anglo-Saxon take over of the Spanish territory of California:

"California probably, next fall away from the loose adhesion which, in such a country as Mexico, holds a remote province in a slight equivocal kind of dependence on the metropolis. Imbecile and distracted, Mexico never can exert any real governmental authority over such a country. The impotence of the one and the distance of the other, must make the relation one of virtual independence; unless, by stunting the province of all natural growth, and forbidding that immigration which can alone develop its capabilities and fulfil the purposes of its creation, tyranny may retain a military dominion, which is no government in the, legitimate sense of the term. In the case of California this is now impossible. The Anglo-Saxon foot is already on its borders. Already the advance guard of the irresistible army of Anglo-Saxon emigration has begun to pour down upon it, armed with the plough and the rifle, and marking its trail with schools and colleges, courts and representative halls, mills and meeting-houses. A population will soon be in actual occupation of California, over which it will be idle for Mexico to dream of dominion. They will necessarily become independent. All this without agency of our government, without responsibility of our people -- in the natural flow of events, the spontaneous working of principles, and the adaptation of the tendencies and wants of the human race to the elemental circumstances in the midst of which they find themselves placed. And they will have a right to independence --to self-government-- to the possession of the homes conquered from the wilderness by their own labors and dangers, sufferings and sacrifices-a better and a truer right than the artificial tide of sovereignty in Mexico, a thousand miles distant, inheriting from Spain a title good only against those who have none better. Their right to independence will be the natural right of self-government belonging to any community strong enough to maintain it -- distinct in position, origin and character, and free from any mutual obligations of membership of a common political body, binding it to others by the duty of loyalty and compact of public faith. This will be their title to independence; and by this title, there can be no doubt that the population now fast streaming down upon California win both assert and maintain that independence. Whether they will then attach themselves to our Union or not, is not to be predicted with any certainty."

O'Sullivan continues in his "Annexation" by focusing his geopolitical hunger for securing the Oregon Country and California by using the new innovations of commerce and communications of the era in the forms of the railroad and telegraph:

"Unless the projected railroad across the continent to the Pacific be carried into effect, perhaps they may not; though even in that case, the day is not distant when the Empires of the Atlantic and Pacific would again flow together into one, as soon as their inland border should approach each other. But that great work, colossal as appears the plan on its first suggestion, cannot remain long unbuilt. Its necessity for this very purpose of binding and holding together in its iron clasp our fast-settling Pacific region with that of the Mississippi valley -- the natural facility of the route -- the ease with which any amount of labor for the construction can be drawn in from the overcrowded populations of Europe, to be paid in die lands made valuable by the progress of the work itself -- and its immense utility to the commerce of the world with the whole eastern Asia, alone almost sufficient for the support of such a road -- these coast of considerations give assurance that the day cannot be distant which shall witness the conveyance of the representatives from Oregon and California to Washington within less time than a few years ago was devoted to a similar journey by those from Ohio; while the magnetic telegraph will enable the editors of the "San Francisco Union," the "Astoria Evening Post," or the "Nootka Morning News," to set up in type the first half of the President's Inaugural before the echoes of the latter half shall have died away beneath the lofty porch of the Capitol, as spoken from his lips."

found at  http://careo.elearning.ubc.ca/cgi-bin/wiki.pl?Cascadia

agree bioregionalism is the answer 26.Apr.2006 09:15

a cascadian

let me add I do full heartedly agree with Brian.. we must see space and our relationship with "it" (Her.. Mother Earth) in a totally different way from the dominant Europeans that came to the western hemosphere to conquer and subjegate... bioregionalism sees space based on natural changes in terrain. But asking questions about governmental and specifically US Amerikan legitamancy is the begin of unraveling this empire.

if you look at all the varios bioregions they are based on how much water flows into the region and where that water comes from. Cascadia is really based on this Great Water cycle that flows, falls and filters from the Pacific to the Rockies and back.

"We forget that the water cycle and the life cycle are one. "
Jacques Yves Cousteau

Nestled between the North Pacific Ocean and the Continental Divide of the North American Continent lays a complex region formed from ongoing geological events and continuous climatic factors. Several regional mountain ranges catch the moisture of the Pacific as it passes on its way east. The Columbia, the Willamette and the Frazer rivers with their contributaries and other riparian systems cut through the basalt and granite mountains of this region providing rich alluvium soil. The region can be defined by this great water cycle that is powered and fed back into the Pacific Ocean. All the regional rivers, streams and creeks eventually flow back towards the Pacific. The region's farthest eastern frontiers lay on the western slopes of the Rocky Mountains where the spring melt begins its return to the Pacific. This is a region rich in biodiversity, history and cultures. It is a land that is shaped by geologic, oceanic, climatic and perceptional forces. This land is called Chinook Ilahee by the ancient inhabitants and reborn as Cascadia by its youngest offspring.

Cascadia is a bioregion encompassing the territories of the Alaskan Panhandle, British Columbia, Idaho, Washington, Oregon, northern California and western Montana as well as very small portions of other near by states and provinces.

Cascadia is geographically the Columbia River Watershed and the area around the Cascade Range. Cascadia's farthest extent is from northern California to the Alaskan Panhandle and from the Pacific to the Continental Divide. Cascadia Minor tends to be the states of northern California, Oregon and Washington with the province of British Columbia. The Scottish naturalist David Douglas named the Cascade mountain range after the powerful waterfalls that carved out this land and gave it so much biomass.

from  http://careo.elearning.ubc.ca/cgi-bin/wiki.pl?Cascadia

maybe we can finally deport all the Californians 26.Apr.2006 16:21



Remember Sagebrush Rebellion? 26.Apr.2006 19:34

I do

tried to fix a road cross the stream to get his cattle to the federally managed land he had contract rights to. Feds thought it an act of vandalism, aka vigilani-ism not to mention autonomy.

Theory was (facts back this position) that these several united states are in fact separate nations. autonomous states like france, germany, italy, mexico.....not counties of one federal state. Hence the phrase United STATES, not united COUNTIES.

Well, the rest is history, and continued colonization by our father who art on the Potomic.

Governor Romney of Mich learned the lesson when he tried to keep the MICHIGAN STATE MILITIA home. Prez said it was in reality just part of the national guard and he better step aside unless he wanted an ocupation. the resest is forgotten history