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Sheen on Kimmel Show- Kimmel is a Jerk

Don't hold your breath waiting for Hollywood to come to our rescue
So Kimmel finally mentions 911 after 5 minutes of Sheen talking about his new flick and line of toddler's clothes. Sheen mentions building 7 and the Pentagon 'crash' pictures. He gets some wild applause and it looks like a real discussion is in the works until Charlie mentions his dad. Just the opening Kimmel has been praying for as he switches the conversation in mid-sentence to Martin Sheen, joking about how he is the President and all. Everytime Sheen looked like he was taking a breath in order to say something, Kimmel sandbagged him with more chit-chat. It's nice that someone mentioned 911 truth on TV, but it's obvious that Kimmel was just out for some ratings and had no intention of actually trying to find out anything new about 911. A great opportunity was missed. Sheen himself didn't have to play along like a ventriloquist's dummy. He could have steered the conversation back to 911, but he was probably just so grateful to be invited anywhere somewhat friendly that he just 'went with the flow'. Too bad. But he did mention it so it was a small step forward. And Oprah? Well, don't hold your breath on that one either. She still thinks James Earl Ray killed MLK.
thanks 15.Apr.2006 17:01

weebot

thanks for the article rAT

well, 15.Apr.2006 18:42

of course,

it went down this way. what else would you expect. these t.v. talents and their producers didn't get to be out-front of the big media machine by letting the a little truth disturb the surface of their trip through the status-quo media-matrix. their ownership and assorted wire pullers demand nothing less, i'm afraid. but we can take some solace in knowing that they are now having to actively work at denying it.

and sheen did do some work in showing us what we need to do from now on--which is, to somehow get this thing to take-hold and grow from the grassy gound of the masses, while knowing that the truth will not be televised.

fuck kimmel 15.Apr.2006 21:49

jesus

kimmel is a racist,zionist piece o'shite
fuck'm

TV sucks 15.Apr.2006 22:42

Converse Murdoch umlaut@idir.net

What's really disappointing about Sheen is how self centered he is about this. It's not about the govt. killing it's own citizens, it's about the flak that HE gets to HIS comments. Like this whole thing is all about HIM.

The moral of the story: Beware of icons the media sets before thee.

It's up to "US" to break open the doors to '9/11 Truth' 15.Apr.2006 22:52

John

The total lack of attention given to Charlie Sheen and his coming forward with revelations of doubts of the so-called 'official-story' of what happened September 11, 2001, SPEAKS VOLUMES in terms of giving the '9/11 Truth Movement' credibility and power.

Generally, many people love to 'jump on the bandwagon' when it comes to attacking and criticizing others. Sad, but true. This includes celebrities (hate that word). If their so-called 'idols' happen to exhibit beliefs or actions 'out of the norm' or a threat to what is popularly accepted, then the barrage of attacks and insults are readily released without abandon. People get-off on it. Take Tom Cruise, for example. They're still on about whatever they seem to have a problem with relating to 'his issues' and what they see as his "crazy, out-there behavior". It makes for a great distraction from focusing on 'real issues' in life, where people's involvement and interest may actually make a difference.

Yet, with Sheen, people are choosing to ignore and refrain from a full-out attack and character smear. It has yet to take on the hysteria which people are prone to creating. But, "How can this be?", you may be wondering. When the masses love to join in for the fun of the attack. The answer is simple. They know where it will lead, and the truth frightens them. To give the subject of '9/11 Truth' any monicum of attention, even supposedly negative, only gives it strength and gives credence to it and justification for finding answers. People are consciously choosing to stay in the 'closet of denial' because they think there is safety there. But they're wrong, on so many levels.

Where Charlie S. is concerned, this onslaught of 'personal attacks' and widespread public scrutiny has yet to occur, and in my opinion is not going to happen. Why won't it? - When people so love a character assassination. The simple reason is—People are afraid to open this door because at an 'innate level' inside them, they know what he is saying is TRUE. C.S. is standing up and demanding the truth. As are all people of 'conscience' are now doing or are beginning to. (the awake and awakening) We, who stand for 9/11 truth, are waiting for the masses to stop being cowards and face reality. How can people not be sick and tired of ALL THE LIES that have resulted in SO MUCH DEATH? When is this insanity going to end???????????

People need to stop 'playing stupid' and end this whole sick 'denial game'. Grab control of your conscience for God's sake. For the sake of everything, all life. For the future of the Earth. How is it even possible for people to keep staying in denial?? I really can't comprehend it. I don't understand most people. . .they scare me.

Many people love to 'join in' and attack people personally because they see it as fun and brings them a twisted sense of pleasure to be part of the so-called 'popular consensus'. Most people are drones, void of any 'free-thought'. It's popular to be a 'robotoid' and follow others. Why people don't see the value of 'independent critical-thought', I'll never know.

Also, where Oprah is concerned, I have to agree and say I'm skeptical of expecting her to be our shining 'beacon of hope'. It would be great if she joined us in support of 'truth' and 'what's right' on this issue though. This really is up to us. All of us. "We are the Ones" we've been waiting for. Strength in numbers. If enough people spoke out on this subject, maybe then someone like Oprah might join us. Above all other issues, 9/11 Truth really is a 'movement' based on the 'power of the people' to let their voices be heard. This is where change takes place and what will make the difference in 'waking people the hell up'!

It's all about 'GRASSROOTS' advocacy and activism. The subject of 9/11 TRUTH is important and most people realize it. After all, this is what led us into war in the first place. Just keep spreading the word and speaking truth in the attempt to open people's minds to what REALLY happened. Make your alliances, find your power. Keep on keepin' on!

Bear in mind, we don't have time to waste on this. . .SERIOUSLY.

If you could only realize the power of YOUR voice. 'One voice' has the power to make a difference in changing the World.

Isn't Hollywood 'part' of the New World Order? 16.Apr.2006 10:21

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Kimmel deserves credit 16.Apr.2006 11:24

5atori

What did the article author expect?
A full half our spent on 911 Truth?

This was the first MENTION of 911 truth topics on network TV.
It's worth a lot more than just voicing complaints.

Ellen Degeneres had Charlie on earlier in the day.
Why not complain about her NOT mentioning 911? sheesh

Notice too that it was live television, Kimmel could have really attacked Sheen, but he didn't. He was respectful. If this topic continues (as it has been) to get mentioned in mass media momentum increase exponentially.

People should be thanked for bringing up the topic not critisized for even addressing it.

ummmm, actually it was a good thing 16.Apr.2006 14:32

old time truther

from:
 link to infowars.com

Following the broadcast of the Jimmy Kimmel Live show, Alex Jones spoke with Sheen about his views concerning the interview. Sheen made the following statement:

"This is a landmark moment in the 9/11 Truth Movement. We have fired a flaming arrow into the heart of the myopic propaganda posing as the irrefutable official story. Come one, come all, the floodgates have opened! Reveal your patriotism."

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This should be viewed as an opportunity to get the topic discussed by a wider audience.
Complaining that it wasn't perfect doesn't help anyone. I think Kimmel was respectful.
Compare this interview to Tucker Carlson's interview of Prof. Jones. Can ya see the difference?

BULLSHIT 17.Apr.2006 12:56

rAT

So why didn't Sheen open his mouth all on his own on the Ellen show? Is he REALLY a Jerry Mahoney doll or what? Does he have to be freaking PROMPTED? And calling it a "landmark moment" is really stretching it. It may have been described as a breakthrough if it was Letterman or Leno. But Kimmel? Most people are asleep. And Alex "Send 'em all back to Mexico" Jones? It's his lucky day isn't it? Having a bonafide Hollywood Superstar to call his own? Let's be fair. I called it a step forward, which it was. But a Landmark it wasn't. Someone posted the interview here as an MP3. Check it out for yourself. See if Kimmel doesn't jump on every opportunity to 'be funny. HAHAHAHAHA- 911 is SO funny. I dunno- it all seemed very anti-climactic considering all the pre-show hype. The "floodgates" have not been opened, despite Mr. Sheen's well-honed Hollywood Hyperbole. Here's a guy with MILLIONS of dollars he could be using to help spread the word, and he thinks he's doing his part by mentioning a few tidbits on a third-string latenight talk show. ARGGGGGGGGGHHHHHHH!!!!!
ghost towers-2003 photo
ghost towers-2003 photo

? for rAT 17.Apr.2006 19:48

Converse Murdoch umlaut@idir.net

In terms of effecting a change which would be more effective: e-mailing CNN to pat Charlie on the back or e-mailing your senator and telling them that in your opinion 911 was an inside job ?

If CNN got that much response to what little Sheen did maybe the time is right to shift gears. Imagine some senator getting twenty thousand e-mails a day expressing the opinion that the govt. orchestrated 911. It would force the issue and they might have to come up with a form letter in response.

Imagine the white house getting two hundred thousand e-mails a day accusing Bush of doing 911. It might not stop him but it might slow him down and keep him off balance.

I think it would be more direct action and more to the point. What do you think ?

LAUGH. . .while our country and the World CRIES 17.Apr.2006 20:56

inquiring-mind

I can relate to the anger and frustration you feel rAT. I'm so f*cking sick and tired of people and their APATHY! When are people going to take the subject of what really happened on 9/11 seriously?! I just don't understand. I don't get where people's heads are at. . .well I know "in the sand". But I mean, how can people not care enough to start asking more questions and actively look into this issue more? ARE ALL THE PEOPLE WHO DIED ON THAT DAY, AND CONTINUE TO DIE FROM THE RESULTING WARS—ARE THEIR LIVES NOT WORTH ANYTHING?! How can more people not f*cking care? I JUST DON'T GET IT!

I've had it with all the comedy talk-shows that try to laugh and joke about politics, war and the state of the World. I guess I just don't see what passes as entertainment; the mixing of this 'subject matter' and humor eludes me. It's sad when this is the "media" people choose as a means to supposedly be "informed" by. Such a large percentage of people rely on shows like the "Daily Show", and their ilk, for political information. I understand the need to cut-loose in the attempt to try to 'take your mind off things' and laugh. But, all things considered, the point we are at RIGHT NOW in this country—with the fascism, state-sponsored terrorism, 'Globalist' tyranny, never-ending death and destruction; HOW can people watch "political-humor" shows and actually laugh lightheartedly and be entertained by jokes about the 'idiot puppet president' and his murderous 'regime' administration with its New World Order ties and agenda?

Our country's priorities are so fucked-up right now. It's time to Wake Up and Get Real and start taking things seriously. I realize many people do care, but more people need to.

P.S.- I like the picture you posted of the 'ghost towers'. I HOPE it makes people stop and think.

pat on back? 18.Apr.2006 10:41

rAT

Converse- I always dig your posts, but the only pat on the back CNN and the Senate deserve is a swift kick in the ass.

well, it is ABC 18.Apr.2006 11:47

rAT

After loooong thought, I guess I should give Kimmel some credit for even mentioning it at all, considering that he works for ABC/Capitol Cities, the broadcasting equivalent of Darth Vader. Once, during the Clay Shaw trial, Jim Garrison was interviewed on the Johnny Carson show. It was the only instance of "JFK Truth" that ever made it to TV back then. Let's hope Sheen's gig wasn't the last word on 911 either. But it very well may have been. I guess I really blame Kimmel more than Sheen, but it's hard to shed my anti-Hollywood baggage. I don't want to discourage anybody from stepping forward.

9/11 and The Rise of The Fascist Zionists 28.Apr.2006 13:43

Poseidon

Abstract:

This is an analysis of the present global situation and the programme employed to effect it. Note that anti-Zionism is not anti-Jew; it is opposition to global enslavement by an international fascist oligarchy that runs a protection racket for its puppet "national" governments.

The Rise of The Fascist Zionists

Criminals are the root of the problems, not a particular race or religion. Imagine a flow chart with four boxes. On the bottom level are C and M: the nominally Christian Western democracies and the Muslim nations. The next level up, in the centre, is a J box, for Jewish people. Above this is a box labelled Z, for Zionist crime syndicate. There are six straight lines connecting each box with each other (draw the C and M boxes so that J doesn't block them from Z. The bottom three boxes represent the vast majority of the world's people - all religions and races; these are the decent, honorable majority. The top box are the criminals whom we should target for prosecution, conviction, and subsequent removal from the scene.

The horizontal line between C and M represents how the Christian and Muslim people are played off against each other. This ranges from wholesale killings such as the Iraq war to the anti-Islam cartoons furore which led to "only" some 15 to 20 deaths in a single day. The two diagonal lines from J to C and M denote how Jews are being played against everyone else. The criminals exploit Jews' fears of persecution, and also hide behind the Jewish people's coat-tails by claiming that attacks on the criminals are attacks on "the Jews". In this situation, the Zionist criminals are able to recruit Mossad agents by telling them that they are needed to "save Jews" around the world. The Mossad agents loyally warn their own people of forthcoming attacks, e.g. WTC, London 7/7, Amman, Dahab, etc. So there is the overt war against "Muslim militants", and the covert false-flag operations by Israeli agents, who are only foot soldiers and no more culpable than the troops in Iraq. The three remaining lines from the Z box down to J, C and M represent the Zionist cabal's malign influence.

Now to explain the Zionist programme for setting up this situation:

(1) Establish a mighty banking empire (e.g. Rothschilds) to raise the seed money for the forthcoming political operations.

(2) Buy up and take control of the press (in the wealthier nations; the developing nations would provide a less worthwhile return on investment.

(3) Start a political movement (Zionism) to obtain a sovereign state (occupied Palestine / Israel).

(4) Start a new religion (Holocaustianity) about a "Holocaust" of a very large number - e.g. "six million" - of the minority religious group (Jews). Jews are selected as the allegedly persecuted group, merely because they are the minority group.

(5) Set up an organization (Anti-Defamation League) in order to deflect any criticism of Zionism by claiming it is an attack on Judaism and Jews. If anyone comes after the criminals, label them as an "anti-Semite".

(6) When (3) and (4) do not succeed, start a World War.

(7) Start a revolution (Bolshevik).

(8) When (3) and (4) have still not succeeded and (7) starts to lose its potential for ethnic cleansing and looting because your own candidate (Trotsky) was defeated and killed, start a Second World War.

(9) Seize any opportunity to promote the new Holocaustianity religion. If, say, concentration labor camps employ Zyklon B (hydrogen cyanide) in delousing rooms in order to save lives by reducing the toll from typhus amongst the slave labor inmates, then claim that these were really "extermination gas chambers", and propose a ludicrous conspiracy theory about a plot to murder six million Jews - in the absence of an iota of credible supporting evidence. Admittedly, this is clearly a major paradigm shift for many. For a tactful introduction to the "disinfestation rooms were really gas chambers" myth, I recommend the link

 http://www.vho.org/GB/Books/loth

which offers a free .pdf download. The author is now in a German jail, which demonstrates that the criminals are desperate to try to keep the lid on this hoax. The irony is that if one persists with the mythical official historical account, the resulting theories are either racist or include absurdities about governments practising genocide on their own people, or one is left floundering with a fuzzy notion of an "Illuminati".

(10) Pay some of the minority (Jewish) community to phony up hate crimes against themselves, e.g. vandalising their own cars, desecrating Jewish graves, slashing their clothes and drawing a swastika on the stomach with a marker pen, etc.

(11) As a consequence of (9) and (10), the Jewish people are fearful of persecution. They will accept that tough measure against "terrorists" and "haters" are necessary.

(12) As a consequence of (11), it is possible to recruit a clandestine army of terrorists (Mossad), who will stage false-flag attacks that exploit divisions between the Christian (Western democracies) countries and Islamic nations, in the belief that these are necessary in order to protect and save Jews.

(13) Obtain nuclear weapons for your sovereign state. Assassinate any president (Kennedy) that exhibits resistance.

(14) Ratchet up the bribery and blackmail of world political leaders, with the aid of (12) and (13), to the point where you have a de facto protection racket for governments, run by the Zionist international crime syndicate. As a consequence of (12), it is possible to recruit the armed forces of Western democracies as your own proxy army, de facto private mercenaries who will loot and decimate the population of Muslim nations, thereby neutralising opponents of your very own nuclear-armed sovereign state (Israel).

For a full narrative, please see:

 http://www.takeourworldback.com/zionistcrimes.htm

In conclusion, anti-Jew sentiments serve the interests of the criminals who seek to establish a prison planet. The idea that someone should be targeted and persecuted merely due to their race or religious beliefs is of course deplorable, and anyone with sufficient hatred of some group to want to do them harm is a dim-witted, sick individual who ought to be locked up. However, it is only to be expected that in the initial phases of suspecting that there is more than meets the eye, members of one racial or religious affiliation will regard the others with suspicion. It is high time we moved beyond these primitive tribal differences, and progressed to a new alignment based upon ethics rather than ethnics.