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Green Energy in Oregon

By law, Oregon utilities must provide consumers with Green (renewable) energy options. Green powere costs a bit more than brown power but it does put a powerful option in the hands of caring people. If you are concerned about air pollution, global warming and/or sustainable, renewable energy, please sign up with your local utility.
Below is some information from the Citizen Utilities' Board Press Release. I was glad to discover Oregon leads the nation and that 4.7% of consumers choose Green power. That is positive news but it also means that 95.3% don't. I've included the linsk below so you can get signed up.

"One important aspect of the Portfolio Options program is that all the renewable energy sources included under its auspices must be "new" renewables, developed since July 1999. This ensures that utilities are actually going above and beyond what standards might already have been in place without this voluntary customer participation. Every kilowatt hour of green energy produced, and -- more importantly -- purchased, displaces a kilowatt hour of brown energy. The Portfolio Options program creates new demand for clean energy, and that demand sparks new production. All of which serves to keep Oregon moving in the right direction for a clean and sustainable energy future.

The Portfolio Options program was mandated by SB 1149, which CUB helped to write and to pass in the Oregon Legislature. We are proud of our work catalyzing and shaping this renewable energy program, and glad that 4.7% of eligible customers are participating in the program. Let's make that number even higher.

If you are not already buying green power, go to Pacific Power ( http://www.mypoweroptions.com/bluesky/form.php) or to the PGE ( http://www.mypoweroptions.com/bluesky/form.php) or to the PGE ( link to www.portlandgeneral.com) website to sign up now. "
Green Power...yes. Public Power...YES! 07.Apr.2006 10:53


While it's true that green energy is the ultimate way to go, we also need to stop the raping and pillaging of consumers and our economy by the Corporate Power Pirates at PGE & PPL.

PGE just requested an 8.5% rate increase, on top of their already higher than average rates. We need public power. Support Public Power.

Is the hell you know is better than the heaven you don't?

hmmmm 07.Apr.2006 12:08


There used to be a boycott of Green Mountain. Searched and found this website  http://www.boycottgreenmountain.com/

However, the info there seems...dated (lots of 1999 and 2000). Does anyone have an update on this? Wouldn't I just be paying more to underwrite tax write-offs for BP/Amoco/Green Mountain?

Bluesky 07.Apr.2006 13:00


I have the Bluesky wind power program through PPL. They sent me a letter in January that said that I saved the CO2 equivalent of driving 18,000 MILES by using Bluesky in 2005!

the doubter in me 07.Apr.2006 15:37


I think clean energy is great, but I do wonder how much it really matters if we request it. The truth is that a wind farm is going to generate all the electricity it can with wind. It's not going to waste wind. A geothermal facility is going to generate all the geothermal it can. It's not going to waste heat. And a water facility isn't going to let water go by without utilizing it. From that perspective, I really don't see that any one user is actually using more green energy.

On the other hand, part of the extra expense goes towards promoting the use of green energy, which means that somewhere down the road there's going to be a greater number of windmills out there. So I support this but I'd rather have public energy. Just imagine it. We could have large rate cuts and STILL pump a lot of OUR money (no longer THEIR money) into expanding the amount of renewables we use.

Anyway, it'd be great if somebody were able to explain to me how it's accurate to say that my choosing clean energy actually did reduce the amount of pollution over the course of a year.

some people not understanding how this works 07.Apr.2006 17:29


When you choose "green" energy from your utlity, you're not getting for example wind power directly connected to your residence (or business, wherever you're using the energy account). All the electricity goes to "the grid" and is pooled together, there's no way to choose what gets used at the user end. However, when you pay a higher bill for "green" energy, some of the money is earmarked to expand options like solar, wind, or geothermal. The more people subscribing, the more they can build, with the ultimate goal hopefully of replacing all less-sustainable options eventually.

I wish utilities were more up-front with the accounting of it, I'd like to see just what my bill money gets spent on if I'm choosing to fund an energy option.

Your $$$$ goes to green energy projects 08.Apr.2006 10:34


It has been a while since I've heard all the facts so don't quote me. To get the real scoop I'd call the Citizens' Utility Board (503-227-1984).

All the additional money paid by consumers of Green Energy is pooled and used to invest in non-polluting renewables. All the windfarms going up in Washington and Oregon were subsidized or partially funded by these extra funds to make them a better investment for the utilities.

These extra funds also prove to the utilities that consumers are willing to pay a small premium to have clean energy.

The electricity is simply added to the grid so everyone gets a little piece of the clean power but the clean power reduces coal and gas fired electric plants.

A better idea 09.Apr.2006 07:42

raped payer

Instead of us raped payers being asked to fork over the bucks to finance wind energy, why not REQUIRE the rapists on the boards and in the executive suites of PPL and PGE to finance it with the hundreds of millions that they STOLE from us through collection from us of taxes that they've never paid to the state or feds and through their illegal the inflating of prices? Also, how about requiring them to finance it with money that they otherwise spend on lobbying and full page ads in the newspapers to convince the public that our elected officials should stop investigating PGE for its illegal practices?

Instead of Peggy Fowler raking in millions every year, let's see her income reduced to under $200K. Then I'll consider paying extra for the green energy that should be costing less than the subsidized non-green energy.

Raped Payer 10.Apr.2006 15:51


I'm just offering realistic solutions for this world as a way to get green energy now.

Here's an Aesop fable you should ponder:

Belling the Cat

Long ago, the mice had a general council to consider what
measures they could take to outwit their common enemy, the Cat.
Some said this, and some said that; but at last a young mouse got
up and said he had a proposal to make, which he thought would meet
the case. "You will all agree," said he, "that our chief danger
consists in the sly and treacherous manner in which the enemy
approaches us. Now, if we could receive some signal of her
approach, we could easily escape from her. I venture, therefore,
to propose that a small bell be procured, and attached by a ribbon
round the neck of the Cat. By this means we should always know
when she was about, and could easily retire while she was in the

This proposal met with general applause, until an old mouse
got up and said: "That is all very well, but who is to bell the
Cat?" The mice looked at one another and nobody spoke. Then the
old mouse said:

"It is easy to propose impossible remedies."

A downtown Bus for Portland/ From Arotech website 28.Nov.2006 15:34

From Arotech website

Welcome to the Electric Vehicle Division of Electric Fuel

About the Electric Vehicle Division

The Electric Vehicle Divsion's mission is to bring about the deployment of commercial numbers of zero-emission zinc-air electric buses in fleets of transit systems and school districts, providing zero-emission transportation at reasonable costs.

Electric Fuel's revolutionary zinc-air fuel cell technology has been demonstrated in tens of thousands of kilometers of on-road driving in vehicles ranging in size up to 4.8 ton delivery vans in the service of European postal systems.

Phase IV of the FTA Zero emission zinc-air bus project was dedicated to exploring the steps necessary for commercializing the all-electric zinc-air/ultracapacitor hybrid bus. Milestones were successfully completed and we have seen continued improvement in our zinc-air bus performance. During the four phases of the FTA bus project since 2001 all milestones and various performance tests and on road bus demonstrations were successfully completed. We have also shown that commercially available zinc can be used in our zinc-air batteries, eliminating the need for the special zinc used to date.

And in Germany, the zinc-air electric van consortium has completed its multi-year government-funded program by successfully demonstrating the zinc-air van on-road. Consortium organizers expressed hopes that the program will lead to the future commercialization of high performance, clean electric transportation based on these technologies.

Nov. 1, 2004
Arotech Electric Bus Runs Successfully on Commercial Zinc

Phase IV Summary and Conclusions (140 kb)

Phase III Summary and Conclusions (161 kb)

Download brochures about the Zero Emission Bus Program and Zinc-Air Fuel Cell System
Bus Program (800 kb)
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