The real John Murtha -ties with 9/11?

the incident was needed for a vote to be taken - wasnt it:

403-3 in favor of staying the course in iraq..

this is excellent precursor to a new something where bin laden states the numbers:

'403-3' (or the correct)

and says something like, 'this is why we were successful in operations yet again...'

or something to the accord.

dick cheney X incident diverting tactic from Bush in China disaster and the laughs still ring out in my head. of course the headlines also read 'Report: Zarkawi killed in Basra...' or was it Mosul or Falluja... and so today it is X's and 'Zarqawi's days are numbered.' But whose X's are do they belong to - surely not you or i.

i Wouldn't be at all surprised to find that Murtha had a player part in the 9-11 drama. But, as for the war in Iraq, the heavy lifting has already been completed there. Saddam is gone; we're permanently based; wielding large political and economic influence; the place is totally controlled chaos, just the way we like for containment; and a good lot of the money's already been made; so it's a damn good time to roll on out of town. Back a bit. To a secure position. With way less foot print. The central mesopotamia, and especially baghdad is an arcade of death. And John Murtha knows that his comrades are in a no-win war from now on. Hell, we won the first phase, hands down. But we're bogged down in urban guerilla warfare which can, and will, go on for bloody-ever. We don't have the will to win such a war of slow mortal attrition. And why should we. Which is precisely why Murtha is saying that it's time to pull back; and it's time to listen to reason and do it.

Now, if we ease back, some of us will leave, but the bases will still host our forces. You can be sure that we will remain to guard our vital interests. The Oil Ministry will not cease to function, no matter what happens. But the visible foot-print needs to be smaller and less conspicuous to the bomb guys.

Cheney can't even dare to challenge this guy. Cause' he's a real marine, not like Dick and his dick-n-the-chicken-hawk cabal. John Murtha is the leading demo on the Appropriations Sub-Committee of the Senate Armed Services Committee. So the guy matters money-wise to the miltary boys. Big time. Moreover, he has big street credit, being as he was a real fighter. Even Dr. Evil Cheney has to keep in mind just who actually fights our wars. John Murtha is the Pentagon's way of telling the Cons. that time is up on this one. They have had enough of fighting a losing battle, and it's time to let them make an decent exit.

This is the right guy to get it done, the one who can get u.s. an ending from inside the beltway.

At least we've gotta' hope.

Oh, certainly it is theatre, what we're watching now with Murtha
playing his role for global elite. I believe the U.S. job is really about
done in Iraq. We went there to break up the country similar to what
we did in Yugoslavia (see article copied from NY Times below for a
small taste of this), to incite civil war with one of our favorite
tactics, manufactured terror - SOMETHING SURPRISINGLY SEEMINGLY NEVER
EXAMINED BY PEOPLE IN THE 9/11 TRUTH MOVEMENT WHO HAVE SOME EXPERIENCE
WITH EXAMINING U.S MANUFACTURING TERROR AND BLAMING OTHERS -
attributed to different sectarian sides, forment islamic
fundamentalism terror, to ensure that the new iraqi gov't will be
under islamic fundamentalist sharia law - all the real reasons
we're in Iraq in the first place, not for the fucking oil or
reconstruction contracts (which is just another part of the theatre).
In this way, the anti-war opposition, even some Democrats now with
Murtha, are just part of the plan because anti-war has always and only
been about withdrawal - never seriously considering what the hell
we are really there for and have actually done - and that withdrawal
was part of the plan after same, so now anti-war gets more
play and from seemingly suprising people and has generally rec'd
better coverage than under previous actions. What a joke in yesterday's
news - about how Iraqis - all sides, Shia, Sunnis & Kurds - want u.s.
soldier withdrawal on time frame. People must realize, or at least
should realize that we are still in control in Iraq and no sides ever
say anything other than what we want them to say!!! Withdrawal, and
support for withdrawal is part of the plan. Mission's been
accomplished and anti-war movement is as clueless as ever and
dutifully playing their role as fake opposition, the only kind that's
ever visible in this country. **See two articles below, 1st about the breakup of Iraq as well as an article from today's New York Times' with funny but telling title which shows how our guys (our iraq puppets wearing
their uniforms) are accomplishing this.

Angie
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1st Article:

New York Times

November 20, 2005

Sectarian Hatred Pulls Apart Iraq's Mixed Towns

By SABRINA TAVERNISE

BAGHDAD, Iraq, Nov. 19 - Abu Noor's town had become so hostile to
Shiites that his wife had not left the house in a month, his family
could no longer go to the medical clinic and mortar shells had been
lobbed at the houses of two of his religious leaders.

"I couldn't open the door and stand in my yard," he said.

So when Abu Noor, a Shiite from Tarmiya, a heavily Sunni Arab town
north of here, ran into an old friend, a Sunni who faced his own
problems in a Shiite district in Baghdad, the two decided to switch
houses. They even shared a moving van.

Two and a half years after the American invasion, deep divides that
have long split Iraqi society have violently burst into full view. As
the hatred between Sunni Arabs and Shiites hardens and the relentless
toll of bombings and assassinations grows, families are leaving their
mixed towns and cities for safer areas where they will not
automatically be targets. In doing so, they are creating increasingly
polarized enclaves and redrawing the sectarian map of Iraq, especially
in Baghdad and the belt of cities around it.

The evidence is so far mostly anecdotal - the government is not
tracking the moves. In a rough count, about 20 cities and towns around
Baghdad are segregating, according to accounts by local sheiks, Iraqi
nongovernmental organizations and military officials, and the families
themselves.

Those areas are among the most mixed and the most violent in Iraq -
according to the American military, 85 percent of attacks in the
country are in four provinces including Baghdad, and two others to its
north and west.

The volatile sectarian mix is a holdover from the rule of Saddam
Hussein, who gave favors to Sunni Arab landowners in the lush farmland
around Baghdad to reinforce loyalties and to protect against Shiites
in the south. Shiites came to work the land, and sometimes to own it.
Abu Noor moved to Tarmiya in 1987 after the government gave his father
land.

"The most violent places are the towns and cities around Baghdad,"
said Sheik Jalal al-Dien al-Sagheer, a member of Parliament from a
religious Shiite party. "It was a circle. It was invented. It did not
exist before."

One result has been carnage on a serious scale. In Tarmiya, a close
Shiite friend of Abu Noor who helped pack his furniture and drove it
to Baghdad received a letter warning him to leave the town or be
killed. Nineteen days later he was shot to death in his carpentry shop
in front of his father and brother. In all, at least eight of Abu
Noor's friends and close relatives, including a brother, have been
killed since the beginning of 2004.

The motives for the attacks are often complicated. The complex webs of
tribal affiliations and social status that rule everyday life in Iraq
do not always line up as simply as Shiite against Sunni. But
increasingly, despite the urging of some Shiite religious leaders and
Sunni politicians, the attacks have been. A mostly Sunni Arab fringe
is carrying out vicious attacks against civilians, often Shiites,
while Shiite death squads are openly stalking Sunnis for revenge, and
the Shiite-dominated government makes regular arrests in Sunni Arab
neighborhoods.

Expressions of prejudice have been making their way onto walls and
into leaflets, too.

In Tarmiya, writing was scrawled on the walls of the city's main
streets: "Get out of here, Badr followers! Traitors! Spies!" it said,
using a reference to an armed wing of a religious Shiite party. In
Madaen, a mixed city south of Baghdad, a list of names appeared on the
walls of several municipal buildings in a warning to leave. Many did.

In Samarra last fall, leaflets appeared warning in clumsy childish
script that Samarra is a Sunni city.

"We thought at first that they were written by kids and that someone
would discipline them," said Sheik Hadi al-Gharawi, an imam who left
Samarra, north of Baghdad, a few months ago and now lives in Baghdad.
"But later we found they were adults and they were serious."

His nephew, Ahmed Samir al-Gharawi, 15, who moved separately with his
family in September, was one of two Shiites in his high school class
in Samarra. In January, classmates were probing to see whether his
family had voted in a national election. "They were joking to find the
truth," he said. "I didn't tell them."

Samarra is a holy place in Shiite Islam with two sacred shrines, and
Shiites have lived there for hundreds of years. Even so, in a pattern
similar to that in Tarmiya, Shiite imams were attacked and businesses
became targets, Sheik Gharawi said, and Shiites began to leave.

Emad Fadhel, a Shiite business owner who settled there 38 years ago,
estimated that 200 to 260 Shiite families lived in the city before
2003, a figure he said he learned while delivering medicine to poor
families. Of those, fewer than 20 remain, said Mr. Fadhel, who moved
with his family last August, shortly after a hand grenade was thrown
at his father.

The terror hit Ali Nasir Jabr, a 12-year-old with sad eyes, on Aug.
20, when four men with guns entered his family's house in Samarra and
began remarking about the family's Shiite identity. Ali, who was
feigning sleep on a mat on the floor, said he heard his mother answer
that the family had been living in the city for more than 18 years.

Then the men shot to death his mother and father, two brothers and a
sister. Ali ran to a neighbor's house to call for help, and he then
returned alone to wait for rescue workers.

"I checked them, I kissed them, one by one," Ali said, sitting in a
mosque in central Baghdad, his pants cinched tight with a small belt.
"Maybe somebody was still alive."

Ali now lives in Kut in southern Iraq with his uncle. Requirements for
autopsies, death certificates and funeral plans forced him to travel
to three cities with the five bodies in the summer heat. He helped
wrap and carry each one. At the funeral in a mixed area north of here,
a dozen friends with guns stood guard, his uncle said.

Some Iraqis, despite years of mass killings of Kurds and Shiites
during Mr. Hussein's rule, still argue that sectarian divides did not
exist in Iraq before the American invasion. But scratching just
beneath the surface turns up hurt in most Shiite homes. Abu Noor
recalls asking a high school teacher in Tarmiya the meaning of the
word shroogi, a derogatory term for Shiite. Shiites tried to hide
their last names. The military had a glass ceiling.

These days, sectarian profiling on the part of the government, which
is Shiite, runs in reverse, with some people buying fake national
identity cards to hide last names that are obviously Sunni Arab.

For the people who have stayed in their mixed neighborhoods, life has
become circumscribed. In Ur, a neighborhood in Baghdad that is 80
percent Shiite, Wasan Foad, 32, a Sunni Arab, grew finely tuned to the
timing of suicide bombings. Mr. Foad recalled feeling people's eyes on
him and hearing whispering in the market against Sunnis after a big
bombing in Hilla this winter.

"We were like prisoners in our home," said Mr. Foad, who moved this
summer with his wife and their three young sons to the majority Sunni
neighborhood of Khudra.

Migration patterns are different for Sunni Arabs. Threats to them have
come less often from anonymous letters than from large-scale arrests
by the police and the Iraqi Army, largely Shiite, criticized by Sunnis
as arbitrary and unfairly focused on Sunni neighborhoods. Sheik
Hussein Ali Mansour al-Kharaouli, who is associated with the Iraqi
Islamic Party, said Sunni families have been moving from Jibelah,
Muhawail, Iskandariya and Haswa, all south of Baghdad, to escape arrests.

The net is wide, and the treatment can be rough. Thiab Ahmed, a Sunni
Arab from Madaen, a town of severe sectarian strife south of Baghdad,
said his brother, Khalid, died in custody in an Interior Ministry
prison on Oct. 20, seven days after Iraqi police commandos arrested him.

Mr. Ahmed, speaking at a Sunni Arab rights organization, Freedom
Voice, showed photographs of a man whose body was mutilated and
riddled with drill holes, a method often used by Shiite interrogators.

"I found him in the morgue," Mr. Ahmed said, his face hard. "He was
labeled 'unknown body.' "

Arrest warrants were the reason Abu Noor's Sunni friend wanted to
leave Baghdad. Two of his brothers were wanted by the police, Abu Noor
said, and the family thought it would be best to leave the area, a
largely Shiite neighborhood in northeast Baghdad called Huriya. The
family had tribal roots in Abu Noor's town and felt safe there.

The families breathe easier in their new lives. A whole community of
Shiites from Samarra, Tarmiya and other largely Sunni cities is living
comfortably in modest houses along the narrow shop-lined streets of
Huriya.

But there is bitterness. A former officers' club that Abu Noor helped
turn into a makeshift mosque for Shiite prayer services in 2003 has
been turned into a playground, he said. He struggles to keep hard
feelings out of his relationship with his Sunni friend. Every month
the man comes to collect the difference in rent: the Baghdad apartment
is more expensive, and Abu Noor pays the $140 difference.

Last week, Abu Noor applied for a job in the new Iraqi Army. It is the
way he can legally take revenge, he said.

Mr. Fadhel, the Shiite businessman from Samarra, now lives not far
from Abu Noor. When asked if he would return to his old home, he told
an Iraqi fable. In it, a father leaves his son to care for a dancing
snake that gives golden coins. The greedy son tries to kill the snake
to take all its gold and is fatally bitten, but not before he cuts off
its tail. The father returns and finds his dead son and the wounded
snake. He tries to make amends in vain.

The snake replied that the man would never forget his son and it would
never forget its tail. " 'We can never be friends again,' " Mr. Fadhel
said.

Reporting for this article was contributed by Hosham Hussein, Sahar
Nageeb, Dexter Filkins and Khalid al-Ansary.

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2nd Article:

New York Times
November 23, 2005

Gunmen in Iraqi Uniforms Kill Senior Sunni Leader

By THE ASSOCIATED PRESS
Filed at 10:06 a.m. ET

BAGHDAD, Iraq (AP) -- Gunmen wearing Iraqi army uniforms broke into the home of a senior Sunni leader Wednesday and killed him, his three sons and son-in-law, according to his brother and an Interior Ministry official.

Khadim Sarhid al-Hemaiyem, who lived on the outskirts of Baghdad, was the leader of the Sunni Batta tribe and the brother of a candidate in the Dec. 15 election, Maj. Falah al-Mohammedawi said. One of the slain man's brothers said the family has been attacked before.

''A group of gunmen with Iraqi army uniforms and vehicles broke into my brother's house in the Hurriyah area and sprayed them with machine gun fire, killing him along with three sons and his son-in law,'' said Nima Sarhid Al-Hemaiyem. ''His eldest son was assassinated a month ago in the Taji area, northern Baghdad, when unidentified men shot and killed him.''

Al-Mohammedawi said government forces were not involved and that the investigation was focused on insurgents.

''Surely, they are outlaw insurgents. As for the military uniform, they can be bought from many shops in Baghdad,'' he said. ''Also, we have several police and army vehicles stolen and they can be used in the raids.''

One of al-Hemaiyem's sons was a police officer, the other had recently quit the force.

The Batta tribe is one of Iraq's largest Sunni tribes from the area north of Baghdad. Dozens of people went to al-Hemaiyem's home, where the bodies were laid out and wrapped in blankets before the funeral.

The slaying follows a big push by U.S. officials to encourage Sunni Muslim participation in the election, which will install the first non-transitional government in Iraq since the 2003 invasion.

Some Sunni-led insurgent groups have declared a boycott of the election and have threatened politicians who choose to participate in it.

The Association of Muslim Scholars, a Sunni organization, called the slayings ''cowardly.'' It also condemned the killings of a Sunni cleric and his brother in Khan Bani Saad, a town about 20 miles northeast of Baghdad.

Reading from a statement, association spokesman Abdul Salam al-Kubaisi said Iraqi soldiers had arrested the two men two hours before they were found dead and said he thought the troops were involved.

''We warn the government against continuing with this tyranny,'' he said.

In the mostly Shiite neighborhood of Sadr City in Baghdad, a group of gunmen blocked the road leading to the Communist Party's branch office Tuesday, just after the party began its election campaign, a statement said.

The unidentified men broke into the party building and killed two activists, it added.

''This cowardly act coincides with our preparations for the upcoming election and it targets the political process,'' the party said. ''The government should bear the responsibility of providing the necessary protection in order to ensure a safe atmosphere for the elections.''

U.S. and Iraqi troops launched an operation in predominately Sunni western Iraq on Tuesday to prevent insurgents from stopping the vote in that city, a U.S. military statement said.

The operation in Ramadi, 70 miles west of Baghdad, is the third in the city since Nov. 16. The operations killed 32 militants and seized and destroyed surface-to-air missiles, rocket-propelled grenades, mortar rounds, artillery rounds, hand grenades, small arms and bomb-making equipment, the statement said.

Meanwhile, a U.S. official close to the trial of Saddam Hussein and seven others for a 1982 massacre of 148 Shiites said the court expects defense lawyers to attend Monday's hearing, despite their threat to boycott the trial.

The official told a news briefing that the court has ''standby'' defense lawyers to step in if the defense team makes good on its threat to boycott the Nov. 28 hearing, the first since the trial opened Oct. 19.

The threat followed the assassination of two members of the defense team since Oct. 19. They have since demanded protection for themselves and their families, as well as a U.N. investigation of the killings.

In another development, a senior government official said a representative of an unidentified insurgent group responded to an offer by President Jalal Talabani to talk with those willing to lay down their arms.

Presidential adviser Lt. Gen. Wafiq al-Samaraei told Al-Jazeera television he had received a call from someone ''who claimed to be a senior official of the resistance.''

''I informed him that I would welcome him in a meeting to hear from him, but this doesn't indicate our acceptance of their demands,'' he said.

Al-Samaraei, a former head of military intelligence under Saddam, did not identify the caller, and it was unclear whether the overture represented a breakthrough.

Shiite government officials criticized Sunni-led insurgents, saying a legitimate resistance movement should not kill civilians or destroy its own country.

''We are tired of the slogans that call for the departure of the British and the Americans,'' Prime Minister Ibrahim al-Jaafari said during a seminar on an anti-terrorism law passed last month. ''We are now under the umbrella of the United Nations. ... we should all work for tolerance and to strangle terrorism.''



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The FBI uses polygraphs to eliminate suspects.

interesting,
Murphy seems to make a lot of speculation that day.
think about this as well...
Tom Ridge, was the governor, did he know too much?
so he was promoted, as a fellow neo-con to the group.
i have to wonder as well, what the mayor knows, and the ATC guys involved with flight 93 ???

Rep. John Murtha, D-Johnstown, said last night he could only guess that the plane's likely target was "a second shot at the Pentagon or the Capitol or the White House itself."
"The destination sure wasn't an open field," he said. "It's fortunate it didn't come down sooner, on Johnstown."
Murtha also said the Pentagon denied reports that the 757 was being shadowed by U.S. military aircraft. But he suggested that terrorists would have picked the 757 because it would have worked as a fuel-packed bomb. A 757-200 can carry up to 11,276 gallons of fuel.
"Since they couldn't have explosives on the plane, the next best thing is aviation fuel," he said.
Flight 93 may have gotten as far west as Ohio before turning around. The Cleveland mayor's office told The Associated Press that an airplane in distress had passed through Cleveland-area airspace before being handed off to Toledo, although it was not clear that the plane was Flight 93.
As the plane neared Pittsburgh, Mayor Tom Murphy stayed in contact with the FBI and the Federal Aviation Administration.
"We were in communication with the FBI and the FAA about the jet as to where it was," Murphy said. "They had the jet coming out of Cleveland and losing it when it came into Pittsburgh airspace, and there was no communication with it, and we were concerned."
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