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BYU Prof's WTC Demolition Theories on MSNBC's Tucker Carlson - 9/11 Truth Hits Mainstream

Unfortunately it appeared the Professor had never had such an interview before and was not prepared for the short time of the interview (5 min) or the fact that they wouldn't run the video he sent of the WTC collapse, or the types of questions being asked (i.e., don't you think this will be offensive to people to say that Muslims aren't to blame?). Nonetheless, he DID get some key points out there and has a great deal of courage and we should all thank him for that.
Questioning what happened on 9/11
Professor believes planes didn't cause all the damage around the WTC

Nov. 14: Did planes really bring down the World Trade Center? The Situation's Tucker Carlson talks to one professor who says he has evidence that bombs might have been planted in the towers.

TRANSCRIPT
MSNBC
Updated: 1:51 p.m. ET Nov. 15, 2005

Millions of people watched the horror of 9/11 right before their very eyes, live on television. Two planes, crashing into the World Trade Center. Less than a couple of hours later, both towers, of course, collapsing.

On Monday, Tucker Carlson welcomed Brigham Young University Professor Steven Jones to the 'Situation.' Jones, a professor of physics, believes that the hijackers may not have brought down the towers by themselves.

To read an excerpt of their conversation, continue to the text below. To watch the video, click on the "Launch" button to the right.

TUCKER CARLSON: Well, just sum up this-obviously your theory, just the one sentence that I just explained, in the intro, contradicts what we all think we know about how these towers collapsed. Quickly sum up your explanation for what's happened.
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STEVEN JONES, BRIGHAM YOUNG UNIVERSITY: ... What I'm doing, Tucker, is presenting evidence, but it's a hypothesis to be tested. That's a big difference from a conclusion, and so I just wanted to clarify that. But to sum up that I have looked at the official reports by FEMA, and so on... regarding the collapse of-yes, of these buildings. ...

I'd like to look at the collapse of building seven in just a minute. It was not even hit by a jet. So we'll look at that one.

CARLSON: The two towers. The explanation has been that the fire inside was so intense that it weakened the structural steel and that each floor collapsed down upon the next in a pancake fashion, and they imploded in on themselves. That's essentially, I think, what people think.

JONES: Yes, that's basically it, yes. And so what I've done is to analyze these reports.

I would like to do a little experiment with you, Tucker, if I could. I sent out a video clip of the collapse of Building seven, because most people haven't actually seen that one, and that's the crux of the argument.

CARLSON: Can you sum up very quickly the argument for us? You believe there were explosives in the buildings planted by someone, detonated?

JONES: Well, yes.

CARLSON: Is that correct?

JONES: ... There are two hypotheses here. One is fire and damage caused all three buildings to collapse.

CARLSON: OK.

JONES: The other is that explosives in the buildings may have caused the collapse. And so, then we analyze and see which fits the data better, and I've done that in my 25-page paper.

CARLSON: I want to read you a quote from the 'Deseret Morning News,' a paper in Utah, from you. I'm quoting now.

"It is quite plausible that explosives were pre-planted in all three buildings and set off after the two plane crashes, which are actually a diversion tactic. Muslims are probably not to blame for bringing down the World Trade Center buildings after all."

That's, I would think, pretty offensive to a lot of the people listening. Do you have any evidence for that?

JONES: Well, not-not to the Muslims, I might say.

CARLSON: Well, that's good.

JONES: I have a lot of e-mails.

CARLSON: I'm sure your writings greeted with just glee in Islamabad, and Peshawar and places like that. But for Americans.

JONES: Well, I haven't received notes from there, but just good people. I have Muslim friends. Let me read, for example, but I'm not going to let you off the hook. I really want to do this experiment with you.

CARLSON: We don't have a lot of time for experiments, Professor. But if you could just ... give us one thing to hold onto. How-you make these claims, or appear to make these claims ...

JONES: Tucker, sure, sure. Let's start with the collapse of Building seven. Can you roll the video clip that I sent to you?

CARLSON: OK. I am not sure if we can, but that is the World Trade Center. It's smaller than the other two it was not hit by a plane.

JONES: Let's try.

CARLSON: Of course, it collapsed.

JONES: Right. It's 47 stories.

CARLSON: That's right.

JONES: Twenty-four steel columns in the center.

CARLSON: Right.

JONES: Trusses, asymmetrically supported. Now, I can't see what you're seeing. Are we rolling that?

CARLSON: No. We just see the building. And just so our viewers know, the explanation that I think is conventional is that there was a large tank of diesel fuel stored in the lower level of that, which caught fire, and the resulting fire collapsed the building.

JONES: Well, that's basically it, yes, but as we read in the FEMA report, it says here, and I put this in my paper, of course. "The best hypothesis, which is the only one they looked at, fire, has only a low probability of occurrence. Further investigation analyses are needed to resolve this issue, and I agree with that."

CARLSON: OK.

JONES: But they admit there's only a low probability, and if you look at the collapse, you see what I have studied is the fall time, the symmetry, the fact that it first dips in the middle. That's called the kink. Which is very characteristic, of course, of controlled demolition.

CARLSON: Professor, I am sorry that we are out of time ...

JONES: Whoa, one other thing I want to mention.

CARLSON: Ok. If you can hit it - hit it quickly.

JONES: OK. All right. Here we go. Molten metal in the basements of all three buildings.

CARLSON: Right.

JONES: And yet all scientists now reasonably agree that the fires were not sufficiently hot to melt the steel, so what is this molten metal? It's direct evidence for the use of high-temperature explosives, such as thermite, which produces molten iron as an end product.

CARLSON: OK.

JONES: It's very short time, but people will read the paper, then I talk about the molten metal, the symmetry of the collapse, and the weaknesses and inadequacies of the fire hypothesis.

CARLSON: Professor, we are going to have to leave it to our viewers who are interested enough to follow up to do just that. We appreciate you coming on, even if I don't understand your theories, we appreciate you trying to explain them. Thanks.

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Y. professor thinks bombs, not planes, toppled WTC
By Elaine Jarvik
Deseret Morning News
 http://deseretnews.com/dn/view/0,1249,635160132,00.html

Utah local news interview video link is here
 http://kutv.com/topstories/local_story_314234334.html

The link to the professor's paper is here:
 http://wtc7.net/articles/stevenjones_b7.html

WTC7 / World Trade Center 7 Videos that they refused to show on MSNBC are here:
 http://www.wtc7.net/videos.html
'Scuse me? 15.Nov.2005 18:33

Lombada Penetrada

Tucker Carlson? "Main Stream? WHat the fuck planet are you from?

i don't know if this qualifies 15.Nov.2005 20:33

as a corporate repost

"Professor, America is offended that you don't hate Muslims enough!"

MSNBC's new slogan: "Maybe not quite as awful as Fox News."

reaching for the sun 16.Nov.2005 01:21

WATCH - IT - GROW !

Proff. Jones makes a strong argument, because the truth is so obvious. Just telling it to others will cause it to grow. Remember how long Global Warming was burried. Now it's big news.

Thanks to you all in the 911 truth movement. Good darned work!

*ucker Carlson says, "US taxes support Terrorism"! 16.Nov.2005 07:08

truth activist

Considering the absolute media censorship of this topic even MSNBC counts as mainstream. Previously the only mention of the topic of 9/11 Truth was on CSpan. Using the words "world trade center" & "planned demolition" in the same sentence on TV is a first, at least since the live coverage of the event.

I also watched *ucker Carlson's follow up mention of the interview last night (Tues the 15th) and was quite amused. He mentioned on air that the interview generated a much larger response than he's used to getting and that almost all of the response was positive. He then played a voice message left by a viewer saying the segment should have been 20 min. or longer.

Of course he had to make the divisive remark that people who believe the professor "should leave the country". Afterall he is told what to say or perhaps just overly programmed himself. He also said in a joking manner that Americans who believe the government could do this should feel bad (?can't remember the exact quote) because their taxes have supported terror events. He said it in an accusatory manner but I prefer the subtext.

I haven't paid any taxes since 2001 for precisely that reason. I'll be damned if I'm going to give money to am organization that's bombing American cities.

THIS IS HOW THE MEDIA DEALS WITH FACTS IT CAN NO LONGER IGNORE 16.Nov.2005 08:07

Dave

This will change nothing. MSNBC merely had him on so they can say they've done the story. Now they can move on to the next propaganda campaign for the next war.

Know this:

Half of all Americans believe the lies about 9/11 not because they lack facts.

They believe the warm and fuzzy government lies because the alternative is too terifying to consider.

They would believe down was up if they didn't have to believe their government was a cabal of monsters who slaughter them for profit and power.

That's why logic and science has no effect on these people. Their opinions and beliefs stem not from logic, but from feelings.

That's why we keep being led into one war after another and it will never change.

public officials 16.Nov.2005 21:58

and their tinfoil hat theories

Obviously Osama bin Laden destroyed WTC 7 with his psychic mind rays.

I mean, what other explanation is there?

Dig Deeper 17.Nov.2005 08:42

nostradamus

Actually the 9-11 hoaxers have gotten it all wrong. The twin towers were not destroyed by explosives planted inside the building by special operations units working for You Know Who. Far from it. They were actually mechanically lowered below ground by massive hydraulic lifts into secret silos buried deep beneath the streets of NY, cameoflauged by smoke and scattered mock debris deployed to make it 'appear' that they collapsed

Why, you might ask. Silly rabbit. This was done as a defensive measure after the aircraft impacted, in order to prevent closer examination of the actual inner workings of the WTC - which actually functioned as the global nerve center and headquarters of the notorious and secretive Bavarian Illuminati.

We have to keep pushing the meme "9/11 - controlled demolitions" 18.Nov.2005 11:02

waiting for godot

Certainly the American population has been dumbed-down and narcotized by a culture of consumption (and real drugs) to such an extent, that they are probably not likely to act based on scientific understanding or even common sense.
Any fool can see that they blew up the Towers (and WTC7), well after the "attacks".
That's obvious, even from the news broadcasts of the controlled media.
Americans will take to the streets when economic and social conditions have deterriorated so much that they have no choice.
The continuing wars launched under the rubric of the psy-op "War on Terror" will also lead to major radicalization of the population.
We have to keep pushing the "9/11 inside job" meme in order to arm people psychologically, so they will settle for nothing less than the complete overthrow of this regime and its globalist owners.

American popular rage will follow the disastrous course of war and economic collapse.
The evidence that 9/11 was an inside job (especially the controlled demolitions) should be used as a weapon to stoke that growing mass rage,
especially among young people as they increasingly rebel against the realization that there is no future in America as it exists.
We must direct that rage and focus it sharply on the truly fascist character of the American corporate elite, their political flunkies and their gatekeeping agents in the Democratic Party and establishment "left".

9/11 has to be used to ensure that there is no compromise, no half-steps, when it comes to dealing decisively with the globalist criminals responsible for it.

9/11 theorist clearly hits a nerve 18.Nov.2005 12:36

repost

MSNBC Tucker Carlson: "Those saying gov't was behind 9-11 don't *really* think that . . ."


November 16, 2005 | 9:16 a.m. ET

9/11 theorist clearly hits a nerve (Tucker Carlson)

We've never had an e-mail response like the one we got after Monday's segment with Stephen Jones, a professor in the department of physics and astronomy at Brigham Young University. Jones believes that the World Trade Center buildings were likely brought down by bombs, rather than by hijacked planes on 9-11. "Use of powerful, pre-positioned explosives in the WTC buildings would imply an 'inside job'," Jones writes in a paper available on the BYU website. "Clearly, we must find out what really caused the WTC skyscrapers to collapse as they did."

When one of my producers first told me about him, my first thought was: Stephen Jones is insane. And he may be. On the other hand, he does have a legitimate job and a responsible-sounding title. He's not living in the park, or writing me letters in crayon. How crazy could he really be? In the interest of open-mindedness, we booked him.

That was probably a mistake. Talking about 9-11 is a lot like discussing someone else's religion: You can do it, but you've got to tread carefully. Most of the time, it's best to stick to platitudes and move on. The subject is still too raw for debate, particularly here in the New York area. (The little town where I live lost six people on September 11th; the town next door lost more than 20.) Professor Jones wasn't up to the job. If you saw last night's show, you know what an uncomfortable six minutes it was. If not, I'll summarize: Jones was almost totally incapable of explaining his own ideas. By the end of the interview I understood no more about his hypothesis than when it began. He was an epically bad guest.

Yet - and here's the interesting part - he seemed to connect with a huge number of viewers. Some who e-mailed were offended that Jones would dare question the official version of 9-11. Some were confused by what he was trying to say. But the overwhelming majority wrote to thank me for my "courage" in putting him on, and to complain that we didn't give him more time to explain the conspiracy.

In other words, a lot of people seem to think it's possible that the U.S. government had a hand in bringing down the World Trade Center buildings.

Ponder that for a second: The U.S. government killed more than 3,000 of its own citizens. For no obvious reason. Then lied about it. Then invaded two other countries, killing thousands of their citizens as punishment for a crime they didn't commit.

If you really thought this - or even considered it a possibility - how could you continue to live here? You couldn't. You'd leave the United States on the next available flight and not come back. You'd have no choice. Continuing to pay taxes to a government capable of something so evil would make you complicit in the crime.

So of course most of the people who wrote to say they think the government might have been behind 9-11 don't really think the government might have been behind 9-11. For whatever reason, they just like to say so. Which as far as I'm concerned makes them phony and irresponsible.

Incidentally, we still have an open mind here on the Situation, even after Professor Stephen Jones. So if evidence ever does arise that the government lied substantially about what happened on September 11th, we'll be on it immediately. I promise.

Keep those e-mails coming to  Tucker@msnbc.com

homepage: homepage:  http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/8063563/#051116a

Love it or leave it 18.Nov.2005 15:02

it's not just a bad idea, Tucker thinks it's a natural law

Bleah.

Don't throw out the barrel with the bad apple 18.Nov.2005 23:10

Paul Revere

Big logical fallacy there that "if the government did such a horror we'd all have to leave the country."
It wasn't "the government" as a whole, only a criminal clique within it.
This country belongs to us, the people, and not to the rogue network as Tarpley calls it - a few arrogant bad eggs who stink to high heaven, so they think they must be god.
Anyway, where would 300 million Americans go?
Stick around, we'll ride the rogues out on a rail yet.