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Joint Statement against imperialist Democratic Party

Joint Statement against the influence in the antiwar movement of the imperialist Democratic Party and its numerous flunkies
1. We, the undersigned, condemn the Democratic Party as a bloodstained
instrument of imperialist politics and imperialist war -- on an equal
basis as the Republican Party. The Democratic Party is responsible to and
serves the same capitalist class which controls the Republican Party. The
Democratic Party is different than the Republican Party primarily in that
it plays a special role in the system of imperialist politics -- in which,
for example, it pretends to be a "friend" of the antiwar movement in order
to gain control of the movement and liquidate it.

2. We oppose the influence of the so-called "progressive" and antiwar
Democratic Party politicians, such as Jim McDermott, Cynthia McKinney or
Barbara Lee. These politicians (whether or not they are conscious of their
role) serve as fig leaves, as bait -- to promote the illusion that the
imperialist Democratic Party can be an ally of the antiwar movement -- and
to promote the idea that activists should invest their precious time
energy in the hopeless task of attempting to move this imperialist party
"to the left".

3. We believe that Democratic Party politicians (no matter how apparently
"antiwar") have no legitimate place speaking from the stage at antiwar
rallies. We urge activists to withhold applause or approval from these
mouthpieces of imperialist politics. If these politicians are so opposed
to the war in Iraq -- we ask why they base their careers on serving and
promoting a die-hard imperialist party? And, in particular, if these false
friends speak from the stage at antiwar actions -- we condemn as either
clueless or treacherous (as they case may be) those speakers who follow
them on stage and who refuse to unmask the nature of the Democratic Party
as a bloodstained and faithful servant of imperialism.

4. And we appeal to other activists -- who want to see more Democratic
(and Republican) Party politicians willing to pull the plug on the war --
and say to them the following:

> If we want a section of Democratic Party politicians to be more
> willing to argue within the government for acceding to the demand of
> the anti-war movement for immediate withdrawl--the most effective way
> to accomplish this--is to turn our backs on them--and make clear that
> we recognize them as the flunkies of the rich that they are. As the
> anti-war movement abandons illusions in saviors from within the
> establishment--the bourgeoisie (which keeps these "saviors" on a
> leash) will be forced to give them permission to move to the left in
> order to better maintain the illusion that the system of bourgeois
> democracy can be made to work in the interests of the masses. In this
> way the anti-war movement can help to transform the current political
> climate and greatly complicate the plans of the warmakers.

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Signature, date and attributions
(most recent signatures on top)
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* grok, Sept 15, subscriber to  http://groups.yahoo.com/group/marxist
* nick delac, Sept 15
* Marik, Sept 15
* Peter, Sept 15, AL Collective
* Ben, Sept 15, AL Collective
* Ben Seattle, Sept 14, supporter of Media Weapon community


This statement is available online at:
 http://MediaWeapon.com/2005/joint.htm
together with a forum where readers can
post comments, questions and criticisms


Posted to Indymedia by Ben Seattle  http://struggle.net/ben

homepage: homepage: http://struggle.net/ben

Wow... 17.Sep.2005 09:17

Kerenskyist

The Empire is indeed trembling in its boots...

The writers are full of it 17.Sep.2005 11:00

Anti-war Democrat

So, if a Democrat does something bad, it's bad. And if a Democrat does something good, it's bad.
Admit it: Some of you hate Democrats more than you do Republicans, and some of you would rather oppose Democrats than oppose the war. By the way, most Democrats (elected or otherwise) oppose the war, but according to the writers, that's a bad thing.

Now as in 1848 17.Sep.2005 11:02

more radical than thou

Section IV of the Manifesto of the Communist Party of 1848: "Relation of the Communists to the Various Existing Opposition Parties" -- QUOTE

The Communists fight for the attainment of the immediate aims, for the enforcement of the momentary interests of the working class ... In France, the Communists ally with the Social-Democrats(1) against the conservative and radical bourgeoisie, reserving, however, the right to take up a critical position in regard to phases and illusions traditionally handed down from the great Revolution.

In Switzerland, they support the Radicals, without losing sight of the fact that this party consists of antagonistic elements, partly of Democratic Socialists, in the French sense, partly of radical bourgeois. ...

In Germany, they fight with the bourgeoisie whenever it acts in a revolutionary way, against the absolute monarchy, the feudal squirearchy, and the petty bourgeoisie. ...

Finally, they labour everywhere for the union and agreement of the democratic parties of all countries. ...

The proletarians have nothing to lose but their chains. They have a world to win.

UNQUOTE

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SO HERE IT IS, for you revisionist idiots who couldn't find your yahoos with both hands:

In the United States, we fight alongside those elements within the Democratic Party that are acting in an anti-imperialist way, against the fascist power structure, against the global empire of capital, against the ultra-rightists.

"IF we want" 17.Sep.2005 11:14

inside/outsider

No "IF" about it. It's ALREADY happened at the Congressional level. Now what's needed is massive action on the streets, especially in Washington, D.C.!

There was the vote on the Woolsey Amendment, May 25, followed by Kucinich's courting of the handful of true conservatives among the Republicans developing into the bipartisan approach to the demand for immediate withdrawal (introduced and supported by conservative Republican Walter Jones and by progressive Democrat Dennis Kucinich); the "Pelosi resolution" brought out on June 14 by Nancy Pelosi (House Democratic leader); and, Congresswoman Maxine Waters' announcement of an "Out-of-Iraq Congressional Caucus" (progressive Democrats pledging to continue to demand withdrawal despite the May 25 defeat of the Woolsey Amendment). NOT EVEN TO MENTION Congressman Conyers confronting the beast in his den with a half-million signatures!

BTW: the vote on the Woolsey Amendment was 122 Democrats FOR (including all four of Oregon's Democratic representatives) versus 79 Democrats voting with 221 Republicans against it.
Ayes: 5 R's, 122 D's, plus one Independent (Bernie Sanders of Vermont)
Noes: 221 R's, 79 D's
Not voting: 4 R's, 1 D

Whoever you guys are, you already GOT what you want out of the progressives of the Democratic Party. Turn your back or whatever.

Well Well 17.Sep.2005 13:18

Billy T

"Admit it: Some of you hate Democrats more than you do Republicans, and some of you would rather oppose Democrats than oppose the war. By the way, most Democrats (elected or otherwise) oppose the war, but according to the writers, that's a bad thing."

When these parties stand for the same thing and agree basically on all issues yes they should be hated if not more.

"Section IV of the Manifesto of the Communist Party of 1848: "Relation of the Communists to the Various Existing Opposition Parties"

This was written a little more than 150 years ago! Conditions have changed and therefore communists attidtues towards so called progressive elements must change also. There is very little and probably nothing progressive about the democratic party and yet you still say we should join them. If John Kerry were president today we would have still had troops in iraq! Why because he never said we would get them out in the first place. "We gotta stay the course" We can't rely on democrats and never should. Marx was wrong on this point as can be seen because there are no real socialist states anywhere in the world. People have to see they are in a common situation and they must abolish their conditions themselves.

<< FINALLY ! >>- and as for "Anti-war Democrat" 17.Sep.2005 14:47

go ahead and make that your moniker

it doesn't make your 'party' or their platform any less full of shit than they are,

or any less supportive of Bu$h & Co. policies (what have they actively done to 'oppose'??) / beholden to corporate interests.

we can continue to support true liberal Democrats for Congress here and there (e.g. Earl Blumenauer is one worth supporting, and the vilification of McKinney in the statement above is basically meaningless, as she was already forced out of office in 2002 by a Republican posing as a Democrat, and got herself back in 2004 . . . she obviously does not support or represent the DLC. And it's not like the US corporate media pays any attention or gives air time to Kucinich or McKinney [esp. her 9/11 statements]) around our country, but with the knowledge that their national party platform - and supposed stance as 'opposition' - is basically a joke.

kudos to the authors of the above-posted statement - we need more coordinated effort in this direction (the streets, next?)

yes 17.Sep.2005 16:14

anti-imperialist

I completely agree with this post. The 2-party system of corporate-military colonialist globalization (say that 5 times fast!) is a parasite on the fabric of the entire planet and it needs to disband or collapse, allowing for the fundamental transformation process to begin. Some Native American prophecies point to the near future as the time of reckoning for us all. Destruction or Salvation....

Tell DeFazio to cut off funding for the Iraq war 17.Sep.2005 16:30

Lynn Porter

 http://portland.indymedia.org/en/2005/09/325020.shtml

Words are meaningless; votes count.

amen 17.Sep.2005 17:22

GRINGO STARS

Eight Years of Clinton-Gore: The Price of Lesser-Evilism
 http://www.isreview.org/issues/13/clinton-gore.shtml

The Democrats and War: Not a real lesser evil
 http://www.isreview.org/issues/26/democrats_war.shtml

For all you folks still in doubt about the Democratic Party... 18.Sep.2005 10:04

Mike Flugennock flugennock@sinkers.org

For all you folks out there who still can't let go of the friggin' Democratic Party, check out this big, fat, sloppy blowjob that ex-Gore '00 campaign manager Donna Brazile in the Sept.17 Washington Post, in response to his, big, fat, fake-assed, stage-managed Jackson Square Disneyland speech:


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I Will Rebuild With You, Mr. President

By Donna Brazile
Saturday, September 17, 2005; A21

New Orleans is my hometown. It is the place where I grew up, where my family still lives. For me, it is a place of comfort and memories. It is home.

Now my home needs your help, and the help of every American. Much of my city is still underwater. Its historical buildings have been wrecked, its famous streets turned to rivers and, worst of all, so many of its wonderful people -- including members of my own family and my neighbors -- have lost everything.

On Thursday night President Bush spoke to the nation from my city. I am not a Republican. I did not vote for George W. Bush -- in fact, I worked pretty hard against him in 2000 and 2004. But on Thursday night, after watching him speak from the heart, I could not have been prouder of the president and the plan he outlined to empower those who lost everything and to rebuild the Gulf Coast.

Bush called on every American to stand up and support the rebuilding of the region. He told us that New Orleans and the entire Gulf Coast would rise from the ruins stronger than before. He enunciated something that we all need to remember: This is America. We are not immune to tragedy here, but we are strong because of our industriousness, our ingenuity and, most important, because of our compassion for one another. We are a nation of rebuilders and a nation of givers. We do not give up in the face of tragedy, we stand up, and we reach out to help those who cannot stand up on their own.

The president called on every American to reach out to my neighbors in New Orleans and throughout the Gulf Coast. The great people of this country have already opened their hearts in the immediate aftermath of the storm, and their tremendous generosity has done more than just provide extra comfort -- it has saved lives. Now the crisis of survival is over. But the task of rebuilding remains, and the president made it clear that every single one of us has a role to play.

Each of us belongs to some group -- a church, a union or a fraternal organization, or even a book club -- that can make a difference. It is those groups that can pool resources and then reach out to their counterparts in the stricken states and ask, "What can we do?" Schools, Girl Scout troops, Rotary clubs -- this is the time for every community group to step forward to lend a helping hand. We need it.

The president also laid out the federal government's goal for rebuilding. It is unprecedented in its scope and ambition, matching destruction that is unprecedented as well. He made the challenge clear: This will be one of the biggest reconstruction projects in history. But he also made it clear that we can and will do this. New Orleans, Biloxi, all of the Gulf Coast will rise again. And the residents are ready to pitch in and do their part.

I know, maybe better than anyone, that there are times when it seems that our nation is too divided ever to heal. There are times when we feel so different from each other that we can hardly believe that we are all part of the same family. But we are one nation. We are a family. And this is what we do. When the president asked us to pitch in Thursday night, he wasn't really asking us to do anything spectacular. He was asking us to be Americans, and to do what Americans always do.

The president has set a national goal and defined a national purpose. This is something I believe with all my heart: When we are united, nothing can stop us. We will not waver, we will not tire, and we will not stop until the streets are clean, every last brick has been replaced and every last family has its home back.

Bush talked about how we bury our family and friends. We grieve and mourn. We march to a solemn song and then we rejoice and step out and form the second line. That line is now open to every American to join us in rebuilding a great region of this country. New Orleans will rise again. My hometown is down but not out, and with the help of every American, it will be back on its feet, bigger and brighter than ever.

Mr. President, I am ready for duty. I am ready to stir those old pots again. Let's roll up our sleeves and get to work.
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"Mr. President, I am ready for duty." D'ahh ha ha ha haahhh. Like Kerry, only worse. Piss on the Democrats.

Katrina Marches On Washington!
Katrina Marches On Washington!

What Else Could Brazille Say ? 19.Sep.2005 14:21

alsis39 alsis35@yahoo.com

As a Demo big wheel, she's been kissing the ass of Bush and a whole "bipartisan" coterie of Social Darwinists for years. She has no moral leg to stand on if she attempts to paint the Katrina disaster as the sole work of Republicans, and she knows it.

Out of Iraq, Out of Context 23.Sep.2005 17:12

Comandante Gringo ComandanteGringo@gmail.com

The person who thought they were QED'ing this thing by quoting from the Communist Manifesto, of course gets it all ass-backwards: the relationship of the U.S. Left to the U.S. Democratic Party today in NO way approximates the situation in Europe in 1848. If there were some damned actual U.S. communist party with representation in Congress, or even close to that, you'd have a point, if maybe just that.

But you don't. Not even CLOSE.

Fact is, it's VERY important to ditch the Democrats altogether -- including those lovable-leftie Congressperson types who tie us all up in illusions of endlessly trying to reform this irreformable capitalist party. And we must do this because we simply MUST create that other, missing Party and/or Movement. And there's no other easy way at this point, things having degenerated so much in North America that we are now faced with the very real possibility of the open installation of a fascist police-state. Quoting red-necked peckerwood scripture at us at that.

So you, too, stop quoting scripture you don't fully understand. It confuses the tyros.

Out of Iraq, Out of Context 24.Sep.2005 10:36

Comandante Gringo ComandanteGringo@gmail.com

The person who thought they were QED'ing this thing by quoting from the Communist Manifesto, of course gets it all ass-backwards: the relationship of the U.S. Left to the U.S. Democratic Party today in NO way approximates the situation in Europe in 1848. If there were some damned actual U.S. communist party with representation in Congress, or even close to that, you'd have a point, if maybe just that.

But you don't. Not even CLOSE.

Fact is, it's VERY important to ditch the Democrats altogether -- including those lovable-leftie Congressperson types who tie us all up in illusions of endlessly trying to reform this irreformable capitalist party. And we must do this because we simply MUST create that other, missing Party and/or Movement. And there's no other easy way at this point, things having degenerated so much in North America that we are now faced with the very real possibility of the open installation of a fascist police-state. Quoting red-necked peckerwood scripture at us at that.

So you, too, stop quoting scripture you don't fully understand. It confuses the tyros.