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US Military Fatalities In Iraq Surpass 1,900

with the latest IED and convoy attacks around Baghdad,

more than 1,900 US soldiers have now died in 'Operation Iraqi Freedom'.

over 1,800 of these 1,900 Americans were killed since the Bush administration declared "mission accomplished" on May 1, 2003.
also, as pointed out in a recent Portland Indymedia posting:
 http://portland.indymedia.org/en/2005/06/318911.shtml
 http://www.tbrnews.org/Archives/a1727.htm

these 'official' fatality figures ___do not___ take into account the US solders who have died en route to Germany, or stateside via Dover AFB, for hospital treatment, immediately after being evacuated (for serious or mortal injuries) from Iraq or Afghanistan.

 http://icasualties.org/oif/

civilian casualties in Iraq:
 http://www.iraqbodycount.net

homepage: homepage: http://icasualties.org/oif/

Details Count 16.Sep.2005 21:10

Tom Joad

That's fine. But remember these are only the officially recognized deaths that occurred *in* Iraq. This does not include those who died en route to the German hospitals. Nor does it reflect the number maimed or disfigured. Nor does it reflect those who will be mentally or emotionally scarred for life.

The actual number is probably closer to 10,000. But there is no *official* way to know.

Don't forget that about 231 US soldiers have died in Afghanistan in Operation Enduring Freedom.
At least according to *official* reports

fooling yourselves 16.Sep.2005 21:32

Sheepdog

Due to certain 'security' requirements, the official total death count is pure and pitiful fiction.
The real horror might not come out for years if they, the enemy can help it. Some of you are still laboring under naive illusions of truth with or from the masters. Or their cruel and total evil. Foreign nations are in great numbers among the unlisted.

But they died wearing a US uniform.
I used to push these homesick lambs through ft. Benning during infantry basic. Couldn't speak hardly any English. They learned the word 'Sargent' real quick, however.

damn it 16.Sep.2005 21:36

Sheepdog

Foreign Nationals. Opps.

Tom Joad is right... 16.Sep.2005 21:51

Can't say my name

Joad is right: the official U.S. military modus operandi for reporting combat deaths DOES NOT include the presumably THOUSANDS of military personnel who died while being in a plane, on a vehicle, or otherwise 'en route' to a military hospital for treatment. Reports from www.tbrnews.org have found the following very disturbing facts: "We have received copies of manifests from the MATS that show far more bodies shipped into Dover AFP than are reported officially. The educated rumor is that the actual death toll is in excess of 7,000. Given the officially acknowledged number of over 15,000 seriously wounded, this elevated death toll is far more realistic than the current 1,400 now being officially published. When our research is complete, and watertight, we will publish the results along with the sources. In addition to the evident falsification of the death rolls, at least 5,500 American military personnel have deserted, most in Ireland but more have escaped to Canada and other European countries, none of whom are inclined to cooperate with vengeful American authorities. This means that 26,000 U.S. military personnel shipped to Iraq have either deserted, were killed or seriously wounded. The DoD lists currently being very quietly circulated indicate almost 9,000 dead, over 16,000 seriously wounded and a large number of suicides, forced hospitalizations for ongoing drug usage and sales, rapes, courts martial and so on."
--Brian Harring

So, basically, you "the people", are being completely and utter fucked over and lied to by your federal government. Just thought you'd like to know!

--No name brand

Our Dear Leaders Care About Us, A Lot... 17.Sep.2005 08:59

this thing here

President George W. Bush II: "Everything looks, ah, pretty, pretty, good to me in Iraq. Right?"

Vice President Richard Cheney: "Our mission in Iraq is a success."

Chief White House Political Advisor Karl Rove: "The reason we're doing poorly in Iraq is just an illusion to fool the terrorists."

Secretary of Defense Donald Rumsfeld: "Damn you, trust me when I say we're doing just fine in Iraq."

Secretary of State Condoleeza Rice: "How could anyone know that soldiers would die in Iraq?"

Former First Lady Barbara Bush: "Most soldiers come from disadvantaged families anyway, so they should be happy to be resting in such beautiful coffins."

The total casualties do include...... 17.Sep.2005 14:29

rhondab moonshadows111@juno.com

those who died en route to Germany, etc., according to one of the above-cited links. Don't believe me? Read it at  http://icasualties.org/oif/Dow.aspx

We can also check the DoD postings each day and see that these troops are included in the total, which is horrendous enough.

RE: Afghanistan 17.Sep.2005 14:52

reapost

your point about the German hospitals/location of 'fatality' was noted in the body of original post, with references.

link to US Military Fatalities - Operation Enduring Freedom:


to "rhondab" - RE: casualties 17.Sep.2005 17:38

reapost

if you blindly believe The Pentagon figures as they post at their site,

or icasualties.org's unsubstantiated off-the-cuff disclaimer of "they are obviously mistaken",

then here is The Harring Report: The National Young Men's Meat Grinder

 http://www.tbrnews.org/Archives/a1838.htm

The Bush Butcher's Bill: Officially, 20 US Military Deaths in Iraq from 1 through 14 September, 2005 - Official Total of 2,021 US Dead to date (and rising)

by Brian Harring, Domestic Intelligence Reporter  brianharring@yahoo.com

Note: There is excellent reason to believe that the Department of Defense is deliberately not reporting a significant number of the dead in Iraq. We have received copies of manifests from the MATS that show far more bodies shipped into Dover AFP than are reported officially. The educated rumor is that the actual death toll is in excess of 7,000. Given the officially acknowledged number of over 15,000 seriously wounded (and a published total of 25,000 wounded overall,), this elevated death toll is far more realistic than the current 1,800+ now being officially published. When our research is complete, and watertight, we will publish the results along with the sources In addition to the evident falsification of the death rolls, at least 5,500 American military personnel have deserted, most in Ireland but more have escaped to Canada and other European countries, none of whom are inclined to cooperate with vengeful American authorities. (See TBR News of 18 February for full coverage on the mass desertions) This means that of the 158,000 U.S. military shipped to Iraq, 26,000 deserted, were killed or seriously wounded. The DoD lists currently being very quietly circulated indicate almost 9,000 dead, over 16,000 seriously wounded (This figure is now over 24,000 Ed) and a large number of suicides, forced hospitalization for ongoing drug usage and sales, murder of Iraqi civilians and fellow soldiers, rapes, courts martial and so on -

I have a copy of the official DoD Army/Iraq casualty list. I am alphabetizing it with the reported date of death following. TBR will post this list and when this is circulated widely by veteran groups and other concerned sites, if people who do not see their loved one's names, are requested to inform their Congressman, their local paper, us and other concerned people as soon as possible.

The government gets away with these huge lies because they claim, falsely, that only soldiers actually killed on the ground in Iraq are reported. The dying and critically wounded are listed as en route to military hospitals outside of the country and not reported on the daily postings. Anyone who dies just as the transport takes off from the Baghdad airport is not listed and neither are those who die in the US military hospitals. Their families are certainly notified that their son, husband, brother or lover was dead and the bodies, or what is left of them (refrigeration is very bad in Iraq what with constant power outages) are shipped home, to Dover AFB. This, we note, was the overall policy until very recently. Since it became well known that many had died at Landstuhl, in Germany, the DoD began to list a very few soldiers who had died at other non-theater locations. These numbers are only for show and are pathetically small in relationship to the actual figures (which we are now publishing.) You ought to realize that President Bush personally ordered that no pictures be taken of the coffined and flag-draped dead under any circumstances. He claims that this is to comfort the bereaved relatives but is designed to keep the huge number of arriving bodies secret. Any civilian, or military personnel, taking pictures will be jailed at once and prosecuted. Bush has never attended any kind of a memorial service for his dead soldiers and never will. He is terrified some parent might curse him in front of the press or, worse, attack him. As Bush is a coward and in denial, this is not a surprise.


yup, that's me... 17.Sep.2005 20:50

rhondab

...blind and gullible enough to "believe the Pentagon figures as they post to their site, or icasualities.org's unsubstantiated off-the-cuff disclaimer".

Actually, I believe there is NO limit to what the US is capable of or willing to do to hide or distort facts. On the other hand, I'm not credulous enough to unquestioningly accept posts to the IMC rumor mill based on speculations like, "There is excellent reason to believe..."

Here is one example taken directly from the DoD website at  http://www.defenselink.mil/releases/2005/nr20050830-4602.html of a troop who died OUTSIDE Iraq:

No. 890-05
IMMEDIATE RELEASE August 30, 2005

--------------------------------------------------------------------------------

DoD Identifies Army Casualty
The Department of Defense announced today the death of a soldier who was supporting Operation Iraqi Freedom.

Sgt. 1st Class Obediah J. Kolath, 32, of Louisburg, Mo., died on Aug. 28, 2005, in Landstuhl, Germany, of injuries sustained on Aug. 25, 2005, in Husaybah, Iraq, where an improvised explosive device detonated near his position. The incident involved three other soldiers whose deaths were announced on Aug. 27, 2005. Kolath was assigned to the U.S. Army Special Operations Command, Fort Bragg, N.C.

For further information related to this release, contact Army Public Affairs at (703) 692-2000."

To Rhondab 18.Sep.2005 19:20

GRINGO STARS

Simply because the DoD posts deaths of those en route to Germany does not mean that ALL such fatal casualties are reported, regardless whether others claim that "no" such casualties are reported.

analyze 19.Sep.2005 07:09

rhondab

The Harring report is being cited as the definitive reason to believe that Iraq casualties are being underreported. Within the body of that report is the statement, "There is excellent reason to believe that the Department of Defense is deliberately not reporting a significant number of the dead in Iraq. We have received copies of manifests from the MATS that show far more bodies shipped into Dover AFP than are reported officially. The educated rumor is that the actual death toll is in excess of 7,000."

So, the Harring report is compiling government stats to arrive at this, right? But the icasualties.org's data, which was also compiled from government stats, is being rejected on the basis of being unreliable. Do you see the inconsistency? And, yes, the deaths probably ARE underreported. That's all I care to say on the subject for now.

"yes, the deaths probably ARE underreported" 19.Sep.2005 17:40

reapost

of course.

what remains to be 'officially' documented (perhaps by independent researcher Brian Harring, or someone else with access to verifiable information) is precisely

BY HOW MUCH

they are being underreported.