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Utah rave shut down by "police officers" with assault rifles and dogs

i hate rave music, but this could be any outdoor gathering or festival. good times with the new fascism. lets party.
Here is the video footage: http://homepage.mac.com/apexgrin/FileSharing2.html Knick of Evol intent puts the night's events into his own words:: Last night, I was booked to play an event about an hour outside of Salt Lake City, Utah. The hype behind this show was huge, they presold 700 tickets and they expected up to 3,000 people total. The promoters did an amazing job with the show.. they even made slipmats with the flyers on them to promote in local shops. So, we got to the show around 11:15 or so and it was really cool. It was all outdoors, in a valley surrounded by huge mountains. They had an amazing light show flashing on to a mountain behind the site, the sound was booming, the crowd was about 1500 people thick and everything just seemed too good to be true really. Well... At about 11:30 or so, I was standing behind the stage talking with someone when I noticed a helicopter pulling over one of the mountain tops. I jokingly said "Oh look, here comes big brother" to the person I was with. I wasn't far off. The helicopter dipped lower and lower and started shining its lights on the crowd. I was kind of in awe and just sat and watched this thing circle us for a minute. As I looked back towards the crowd I saw a guy dressed in camoflauge walking by, toting an assault rifle. At this point, everyone was fully aware of what was going on . A few "troops" rushed the stage and cut the sound off and started yelling that everyone "get the fuck out of here or go to jail". This is where it got really sticky. No one resisted. That's for sure. They had police dogs raiding the crowd of people and I saw a dog signal out a guy who obviously had some drugs on him. The soldiers attacked the guy (4 of them on 1), and kicked him a few times in the ribs and had their knees in his back and sides. As they were cuffing him, there was about 1000 kids trying to leave in the backdrop, peacefully. Next thing I know, A can of fucking TEAR GAS is launched into the crowd. People are running and screaming at this point. Girls are crying, guys are cussing... bad scene. Now, this is all I saw with my own eyes, but I heard plenty of other accounts of the night. Now this isnt gossip I heard from some candy raver, these are instances cited straight out of the promoters mouth.. - One of the promoters friends (a very small female) was attacked by one of the police dogs. As she struggled to get away from it, the police tackled her. 3 grown men proceeded to KICK HER IN THE STOMACH. - The police confiscated 3 video tapes in total. People were trying to document what was happening out there. The police saw one guy filming and ran after him, tackled him and his camera fell, and luckily.. his friend grabbed it and ran and got away. priceless footage. That's not all though. Out of 1,500 people, there's sure to be more footage. - The police were rounding up the staff of the party and the main promoter went up to them with the permit for the show and said "here, I have the permit." The police then said, "no you don't" and ripped the permit out of his hand. Then, they put an assault rifle to his forehead and said "get the fuck out of here right now." Now.. let's get the facts straight here. This event was 100% legal. They had every permit the city told them they needed. They had a 2 MILLION DOLLAR insurance policy for the event. They had liscenced security guards at the gates confiscating any alcohol or drugs found upon entry (yes, they searched every car on the way in). Oh, I suppose I should mention that they arrested all the security guards for possession. Oh another interesting fact.. the police did not have a warrant. The owner of the land already has a lawsuit against the city for something similar. A few months ago, she rented her land for a party and the police raided that as well. And catch this, the police forced her to LEAVE HER OWN PERSONAL PROPERTY. That's right. They didnt arrest her, but made her leave her own property!!! Don't get it twisted, this is all going down in probably THE most conservative state in the USA. And this is scary.. a gross violation of our civil liberties. The police wanted this party shut down, so they made it happen. Even though everything about this event was legal. The promoters spent over $ 20,000 on this show and did everything they had to to make it legit, only to have it taken away from them by a group of radical neo-con's with an agenda. This was one of the scariest things I have ever witnessed in person. I can't even begin to describe how surreal it was. Helicopters, assault rifles, tear gas, camoflauge-wearing soldiers.... why? Was that really necessary? This needs to be big news across the USofA. At least in our music scene (edm as a whole)... this could happen to any of us at any time. When we're losing the right to gather peacefully, we're also letting the police set a standard of what we can get away with. And I think that's BULLSHIT! The system fucked up last night... They broke up a party that was 100% legal and they physically hurt a lot of people there at the same time. The promoters already have 6 lawsuits ready to file with their lawyers and the ACLU is already involved. I'm sure some pictures (and hopefully some video) will surface soon. I'll make sure to post them up here on 404, so you can see the Police State of America at work.
the video with sound they didnt want you to see
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CONTACT UTAH LEGISLATURE!!!
----------------- Bulletin Message ----------------- From: Joanna aka Syze Date: Aug 21, 2005 11:59 PM UTAH PARTY I WAS PLAYING AT .... SAD Hey everyone, by now most of you know that I was set to perform at the Versus 2 in Salt Lake City Utah last night August 20th 2005. I am mad, sad, and disturbed at what happened. Here is more info and thank you all for your kind words.......please spread this all around and write letters so we can be heard and fight this. Ravers mauled by K-9s, beat up by police, CAMERAS CONFISCATED & DESTROYED, SWAT brandishing ASSAULT RIFLES, women KICK IN THE STOMACH by cops, TEAR GAS dispersed! Make sure to check out Knick's post, linked towards the bottom of this blog. Utah Raves Forum: http://forums.utrave.org/showthread.php?t=19971 My story on Seattle DNB http://www.seattlednb.com/forum/viewtopic.php?t=2840 Knick from Evol Intents story http://www.404audio.com/forum/viewtopic.php?t=14814
CONTACT UTAH LEGISLATURE!!!

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this is very scary shit 22.Aug.2005 13:58

regular reader

i watched the video and those were NOT cops busting up the event. they were soldiers in military gear.

i've heard Bush is visiting Utah soon; that could be part of why this was done.

also, Burning Man is coming up, Aug. 29-Sept. 5. [  http://www.burningman.com/ ] this could be a warning to that event, or a precursor of things to come. i don't say that as a way of warning people away, by any means; just a speculation that They might be targeting that magical event next.

be kind to overloaded servers 22.Aug.2005 14:50

use p2p

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tick tock, tick tock... 22.Aug.2005 14:50

anti-imperialist

So, I guess the unfortuantely inevitable question is...when is BURNING MAN and the RUCKUS SOCIETY (for example) going to come together and integrate one another? And/or the American Indian Movement with the Mobilization for Global Justice and Dawn?? If not soon, pity for us all.

It's as if the powers-that-be are directly challenging us to form into a TRULY Revolutionary movement. Well, if we accept that challenge, the infighting better stop...soon...very soon.

It's getting down to the wire, folks. I suggest we take what we learned from Seattle till now, and begin moving again....

tick tock, tick tock....

how can they legally stop the filming? 22.Aug.2005 15:33

fake cop

WTF?! how can they stop someone from filming, there is no law against it. this seems to happen all to frequently. watching this short clip pisses me off.

torrent 22.Aug.2005 15:41

jebba


movie stills 22.Aug.2005 15:53

helper

some stills taken from the posted movie file

more 22.Aug.2005 15:53

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more photos

feature photo? 22.Aug.2005 15:54

helper

I also shrunk this one down for a feature (cause I think it should be featured)

oops 22.Aug.2005 15:55

clumsy helper

for a feature (hopefully)

Promoting ed2k 22.Aug.2005 16:02

video dude


Excerpts from firsthand accounts 22.Aug.2005 16:40

Reposter

US Soldiers, local sheriffs and SWAT officers violently shut down a legal, permitted, outdoor electronic music event dubbed "Versus II" taking place the evening of Saturday, August 20th in the Diamond Fork area of Spanish Fork Canyon in Utah County.

excerpts from various individuals accounts taken from:
 http://www.utrave.org/showthread.php?t=20020&page=1&pp=10

"Before coming to the event I researched it extensively. The party was %100 percent legal and legit with all permits and necessary security required by law being acquired. The event was well organized, with garbage cans, porta potties, and rope lines blocking off parts of the area that you could no go into."

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"Ironically, he was right. That was a paddy wagon from the Utah National Guard. After a little while I saw flashlights coming toward us. I leaned over to my friend at my right and mentioned how I think the cops are here. I was pretty wrong since no longer than thirty seconds had passed when we had assault rifles pointed at us."

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"At around 11:00 I was enjoying the good vibes and great music. Then at about 11:30 pm a helicopter began circling the party. Out of nowhere huge semis filled with national guard, swat, and the police rolled up. Soldiers came out of the bushes and rushed down to the party. Carrying M-16s, Ak-47s, nightsticks, and tazers. They proceeded to attack random people and push their might around on people who had done nothing wrong.

I saw about 7 people attacked (before being forced to leave). I saw two of them right in front of me. One was a guy who was walking around with a camcorder stunned at what was happening. A soldier told him to give him the camera now. The raver said no it is my camera. The soldier then proceeded to grab the camera, throw it to the ground and then began beating the kid. In the end they threw him to the ground violently an put their knee into his back while handcuffing him. All for wanting to keep his property. When I last saw him he was knocked out and unmoving.

Another girl next to me said to one of the soldiers that she didn't know how to get home as they had just arrested her friend. The soldier told her to walk home. My friend tried to grab her to bring her with us, but the soldier began yelling that she had touched him (which she hadn't). WIthin seconds, five soldiers had jumped on her and were literally beating the crap out of this innocent women. She was punched in the face, thrown to the ground, and kicked while down. All for worrying how to get home safely.

The soldiers proceeded to attack anyone with cameras or camcorders, obviously wanting to restrict the film that got out about it. This was not a legal attack, it was a blatant violation on our rights as American citizens. And the swat, police, politicians who authorized this, and the national guard knew this. That is why they were removing potential evidence."

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"Now this isnt gossip I heard from some candy raver, these are instances cited straight out of the promoters mouth..

- One of the promoters friends (a very small female) was attacked by one of the police dogs. As she struggled to get away from it, the police tackled her. 3 grown men proceeded to KICK HER IN THE STOMACH.

- The police confiscated 3 video tapes in total. People were trying to document what was happening out there. The police saw one guy filming and ran after him, tackled him and his camera fell, and luckily.. his friend grabbed it and ran and got away. priceless footage. That's not all though. Out of 1,500 people, there's sure to be more footage.

- The police were rounding up the staff of the party and the main promoter went up to them with the permit for the show and said "here, I have the permit." The police then said, "no you don't" and ripped the permit out of his hand. Then, they put an assault rifle to his forehead and said "get the fuck out of here right now."

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"It came back and hovered over the confused crowd, as National Guardsmen in full camoflauge, helmets, boots, gas masks, and armed with assault rifles and dogs swarmed into the crowd. They first made their way onto the stage, grabbing people and forcing them onto the ground to handcuff them. I saw at least two people being beaten on the ground while barking, snarling dogs are held just a few feet from them. Weapons were being pointed at unarmed, peaceful civilians."

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"At this time I heard a Woman next to me say "The Police Are Here, Everyone Has to Leave" Lots of people were disappointed, but noone was: rioting, fighting, or being insubordinate. People merely began to file towards their cars. At this time I actually got a look at my surroundings. Dozens of Men in Full Camo, Kevlar Vests, Gas Masks MP5 Navy's AUG's and many other fire-arms. Attack Dogs, were barking somewhere ahead of me. Suddenly I saw the sight that disgusted me. A person whom I had met before was on the ground face first, 4 Reservists had their guns pointed to his head, and were handcuffing him. Their attack dog was mauling his: Shoulder, Neck and Torso areas. I was quickly shuffled along but was very disgusted. I had attempted to record the man on the ground with my Camera-Phone, but a soldier approached me and took my phone and said "move Along" I still have not recovered it.

I also was witness to the blunt beatings using shoulder rests of weapons. My friend Katie Mercer was hit in the side of the head with an MP5 because a soldier took her camera, and she was trying to recover it from him. I was witness to numerous people being held at gunpoint, people being handcuffed, Attack Dogs, Guns, Malice, Hatred."

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"It was 1145... i had 30 min before my set, so i was running around lookin at the mountains and the people dancing, laughing , the crazy visiuls they even had prjecting on the mountains. i will share photos once i can see them. All of the sudden a helicopter comes in with massive spot lights .. all on the people circling everyone ... and within minutes like out of some fuckin movie , soldiers with guns (fucking rifles )come in out of the grass, like some vietnam shit. The police in full riot gear come in, big trucks ... next thing you know they are throwing tear gas at people, setting dogs on people, arresting kids. 4 big guys on one dnb fan kicking him down tieing his hands .... making kids sit in the dirt with their hands tied all in a line, now you must remember in this whole time NO ONE was resisting arrest or making a big deal, everyone peaceful started to walk out... but yet they were throwin tear gas..."

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"A man in uniform approached me and barked the order that I was to return to my car with no delay and leave. Even though previous experiences were less intense, I had been in that possition a time or two before, I feel a little veterened in handling such a situation. You win some, you lose some, I knew I was going home this time, but there's never any harm in a quick dialog between bystander and enforcement. In more words or less, I made it apparent that I was on my way out, I would passivly comply with whatever was needed to make this go easy, but I wanted to know under which grounds I was being evicted from my peacefull, private gathering. Usually when you show a voice of reason and zero threat of violence, you can at least talk with an officer for a bit. I was only able to ask my first question in a series that I had carefully planned, but the response I recieved was a curled lip, even more violent shouting, a gun pointed at me, and the threat that if I asked a single other question I would be detained or disabled my any means necessary. This is when I saw the dogs attacking people, and other kids being tackled by 3-4 of these "civil servents" at a time. I felt violated."

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"At this point i am confused. The chopper began to come in closer to the stage with a search light focused on the crowd. I got nervous and still very confused and walked over to find my two friends I had arrived with earlier. Just as soon as i did that I looked over at my friend and asked "whats going on". That is when I was greeted by a man in full army attire, gas mask and all. He said to leave. I said what whats going on, at which point i was brutally attacked. Thrown to the ground and in the scuffle punched in the face by swat. That was not it either. I suppose i posed some a threat as another swat member rushed over to subdue me to the ground puting his knee in my back and arresting me. At that point I am screaming to a patron "whats going on?" He is just as confused as I am. At that point another swat member came over and kicked me in the leg. Let me tell you that I also only weigh 130 pounds. I had three grown men attack and beat me and throw me to ground for absolutely no reason at all. Not to mention being dragged to a van and violently being tossed in and taken to jail. Fined for resisting arrest and another outrageous charge. I do need to mention also that while this is all happening to me at the same time my two friends, a boy and girl were trying to reach out and stop them, at that point they were attacked and arrested as well."

please don't forget that these thugs that did this evilness 22.Aug.2005 17:12

are likely to be Mormons

this gives a flavor of what it'd be like under the Mormons! BAD NEWS!
More found at....www.mormonconspiracy.com

link to another firsthand account, from one of the performers 22.Aug.2005 18:11

a tribe.net user


Check out this DEA .pdf on Utah. . .These people don't get out enough!! 22.Aug.2005 18:33

Southern California

Here's a link to a file on Utah created by the DEA: there is an info box on raves about midway thru it. . .

 http://www.usdoj.gov/ndic/pubs3/3619/3619p.pdf

Bush is in town-and we're just gonna sacrifice some scum ravers in his honor.. 22.Aug.2005 19:05

rAT

Utah isn't even really the USA. It's a Mormon fiefdom. It's where they recruit most of those guys you see in 911 photos, walking around the Pentagon lawn pretending to look for evidence. Don't forget all those evil clowns that surrounded Howard Hughes! Utah is the capital of brain-blistered born-again neo-con Zionist/Christianed zombies. The Guard? In Utah, they can do whatever they want if DRUGS may be involved. It's the governor's private army. Fuck the Posse Comitatus act. They're calling in the Marines for doobies! I GUESS THEY JUST WANT US TO KNOW THAT THEY REALLY ARE FUCKING NAZIS AFTER ALL. THE PEOPLE OF IRAQ GO THROUGH SCENES LIKE THIS 24 HOURS A DAY 7 DAYS A WEEK. FROM THE SAME CHARACTERS. WELCOME TO OUR FUTURE. PRAY FOR MASSIVE ALIEN INTERVENTION.

another account 22.Aug.2005 21:04

reader

My experience of what happened went pretty much like this:

I was standing on the side of the main stage talking to a friend when we heard the helicopter start circling above us. We joked about the military showing up to bust the party as we stared up at the sky, and when i looked back down again, there were soldiers with guns pointed at us yelling at the top of their lungs. I made my way off the side of the stage and grabbed my records and started walking towards my tent, which was about 20 feet in the opposite direction of where they were telling people to go.

One of the cops saw me walking that direction and ran up and grabbed me by the neck and threw me to the ground. Another guy ran up and pointed a very large, scary looking gun inches away from my head as the other cop searched my record bag.

As this was going on, I watched my friend filming people getting the shit beat out of them as he walked towards the parking lot (this is the footage that was shown on all the news stations). Two cops then proceeded to knock his camera to the ground and literally body slammed him into the dirt. All for doing nothing but filming as he was walking away. I watched in awe as I saw bewildered kids getting pushed around and huge guys with guns running around tackling people. I couldn't fucking believe it.

The cops finally let me walk to my tent to get my car keys so I could leave (btw: tents come down in record time when there are 3 cops with machine guns and dogs watching your every move), but as I was leaving, I saw another kid on the ground tackled by 3 soldiers being punched in the head repeatedly. Anyone who was so much as said a word to the guards were being screamed at with weapons pointed in their face.

I am still in absolute shock about what happened. The helplessness and anger I felt that night as I watched my friend being attacked for no reason and knowing there wasn't anything I could do about really got to me. This whole thing is EXTREMELY disturbing to me.

They didn't need to use that kind of force, but they wanted to. They wanted every person at that party to be terrified of them. They wanted to instill fear as intensely as they possibly could. I felt like we were a part of some sort of terrorist camp that had just been discovered by the military. There is absolutely no reason that kind of force and weaponry should be unleashed upon the public in an unjustified manner like that. I feel so fucking violated.

Radio talk show 22.Aug.2005 21:17

reader

Here are links to part A & B of an internet radio show about the raid

 http://freetalklive.com/files/FTL082205A.mp3
 http://freetalklive.com/files/FTL082205B.mp3

Torrent does not work at all, as always !?!!? 22.Aug.2005 22:08

stunted

So I went to indytorrents.org to try to dl this torrent. Doesn't work at all. I tried to "log in" to the site, doesn't work at all, display "401 Unauthorized" on a blank screen. Why is this ? Is the news server being hacked/DOS'd ? Or what ???

just click the link above or below 22.Aug.2005 22:31

p2p helper

Just click this link or copy it into bittorrent or azureus and it should work fine. I just downloaded it at 150KB+.


not good at computers 23.Aug.2005 00:07

chops freebeebumble

i have a power pc g3 mac with os x version 10.2.8 and want to play videos like this and others on portland independent media center
i cant figure it out and i feel like this computer is to old understand the programs needed to play these videos
i feel wierd for asking on the imc but maybe someone can point me in the right direction
i want to show these vids to others who come over
 freebeebumble@yahoo.com

try this 23.Aug.2005 00:13

p2p helper

Go here:  http://www.bittorrent.com/ and download the mac version of bittorrent (or the appropriate version for anyone else). Then click the above link, or save the torrent file to disk and drag it into bittorrent. You should see it download and it should be very fastas you will receive it from a large number of people who are sharing it. Then as long as bittorrent is open you can help share it with others.

Training?? 23.Aug.2005 02:26

Northern Neighbor (Canada)

This was just a training exercise. Getting ready to use these techniques at anti bsuh gatherings. What the F&*k is going on in your country??? It's like all the worst case fears are half as bad as the reality of what is happening in the UPSA (United Police States of America)

As your northern neighbor, your government is scaring the shit out of us. Of course Bush's buddies own most of our media as well so I never saw any of this on the "news".

EUROPE: POLICE ATTACK ON RAVE-FESTIVAL AND ON DISCO 23.Aug.2005 04:01

anarcho-communist


Paperdoll 23.Aug.2005 09:19

Maxim maxim@paperdoll.be

For those that are having trouble to view the clip, I've put it on my website.

http://www.x-forceonline.com/buttons/czech.jpg

This shit is heavy..


first they came for the ravers... 23.Aug.2005 09:23

another canuck

"This was just a training exercise. Getting ready to use these techniques at anti bsuh gatherings. "

that was my first thought too. though what scares me even more is that when (if?) bush leaves office, his admin will have left a legacy of paramilitary policing which could very well turn in to latin-american style death squads in ten years when the oil starts running out.

america. get your house in order. we don't want that shit spilling north, yhear?

if any local politician campaigns for more money for cops or guard or soldiers, or even suggests it, protest their ass. hound them. make them unelectable. start a copwatch (google for tips on how) and police accountability coalitions. start making FOI requests. do not let any more money be funneled from social programs to policing. make connections with your communities (even the assholes) so neighbourhoods don't clamour for policing. do education and harm reduction campaigns around drugs since the pretense of the "drug war" is how the police armories keep getting bigger. and more. do all the unsexy reform work today or you're not going to have any space for the radical work (or partying) tomorrow when they've got assault rifles everywhere.

Bored? 23.Aug.2005 10:10

DAL Drink-A-Lot@web.de

Seems like the US-army is getting bored, because they have to be carefull with punishing the prisoners in iraq after the world wide press noticed it...
So they decided: "We want to beat the shit out of someone... if guilty or not, doesn't matter... so let's take the visitors of EDM partys and say it is because of the drugs" or something like that. ;)

Such things scarieing me... first that festival at Tszchechia, now that... hope our government won't copy that, too, like all the other things coming from your side of the ocean... ;)

don't let them kick your rights with feets! resist!
greets from germany

comment 23.Aug.2005 11:17

copass grinder

"said one of the neighbors, who would not give his name. "It woke me up," he said, "but when I realized they weren't coming for me, I went back to bed."

 http://seattlepi.nwsource.com/local/237602_raid23.html

MIRROR to reduce loading 23.Aug.2005 12:46

Fredric L. Rice frice@skeptictank.org

 http://www.skeptictank.org/fascism.wmv

Jesus Fucking Christ. This is Bush fascism, something Americans can expect more of as this fascist regime really starts digging in and their war crime atrocities in Iraq become ever more exposed.

 http://www.skeptictank.org/fascism.wmv

I've mirrored the video so that we can reduce the load a bit and to make sure that if these Nazi mother fuckers start taking down sites ho0lding the video, it won't easily disappear.

MAKE COPIES!


Other coverage of the incident 23.Aug.2005 16:56

Politicus sal@electrobotanica.org

Here's the Utah Indymedia story.

Local media stories: KSL , KSL , KSL , and KUTV .

DailyKos story.

Progressive U story . The thing that immediately stood out was the quote from the Progressive U story, "several police informants had reportedly infiltrated the rave and observed widespread illegal activities". Once this happens, as any Palestinian could tell you, it's a free for all for the police at that point because the infiltrators can give the police the appearance of cause for the use of force.



this story absent in the main-stream media 23.Aug.2005 19:54

LG

i searched for this story at CNN...nothing.
CBS...nothing.
NBC...nothing.
is this a serious cover-up, or what!?

FREEDOM? i think NOT!! 23.Aug.2005 20:05

FRANK

FREEDOM? why does america continue to allow unjust acts happen like this? why hasnt there been a stop? when police brutality occurs the public should be informed immediatly, and they're not. these are not humane acts but acts of cave-man who want to move up in the food chain and the only way is by force and violence!!!!

Republican Partei gave ze orders says Utah anon. gov't source 23.Aug.2005 21:06

Nazi watch

[If true, the same thing--a privatized paramilitary political use
of the police--was done in New York City in 2004--where the police
building where hundreds were illegally mass-swept off the street, was
instead of being in the public domain, a holding tank owned and under the
jurisdiction of the REPUBLICAN PARTY. Thus: the same kind of paramilitary
extralegal one-party state use of the military/police in....(correct)
Nazi Germany.]



Utah Concertgoers attacked by "troops" Aug 20, 2005

A source inside the Utah government reports that this action was
undertaken out of fear that the Rave would be used to rally support for
the protest against Bush's Utah visit. [that occurred on Aug 22]

Also, Utah is refusing to air Cindy Sheehan's commercial stating:
"inappropriate commercial advertisement for Salt Lake City."

 http://members.cox.net/cowicide/conservativevideo.html

what else is there 23.Aug.2005 22:23

anon

it was stated this event was in theDiamond Fork area of Spanish Fork Canyon in Utah County
first thought isn't about big brother fascism, it's WHAT THE FUCK IS AROUND THAT AREA THAT THE MILITARY WANTS TO PROTECT

4 million pounds of explosives 23.Aug.2005 22:41

off highway 6 in spanish fork

Earlier in August: " The material aboard a truck that blew up in Spanish Fork Canyon ...."

Ensign-Bickford employees melt a mixture of TNT and PETN, one of the strongest known high explosives. PETN - pentaerythritol tetranitrate - is used in some land mines and as the explosive core of detonation cord.


"We probably make at least 4 million pounds of explosives a year. Four to 5 million is a typical year," Bennett said

one and one equal two - major munitions plant is the reason for bust at event


Documentation 24.Aug.2005 01:10

xshesaiddestroy nuclearxwinter@gmail.com

Does the person who organized the event have any other copies of documentation showing the legality of the event? It is *very* important that we get copies distributed in order to do anything about this. People seem to think that this was an illegal event.. (and even if so the acts commited against these people were atrocious) .. Who knows anything about where this documentation can be found?


this story goes worldwide 24.Aug.2005 03:49

brainwash

condoleces from germany [ part of old europe ;) ]

its sad to hear from those incidents. it was a party that ended like a jerry bruckheimer style film...all terroists killed or locked up, and the proud officer/soldier has safed america from the evil threat that been ravers.
storys like that are disgusting, america seems for us to be like germany 60 years ago...

the good thing is that this story is making waves in the internet, i saw alone 3 german forums with topics at this incident.
also on dogsonacid, a big musicans/community forum...

u are not alone.

peace

sad its just sad..... 24.Aug.2005 04:05

klaus

first of all i'm speechless,there are no words for this....

what is the next level?they come directly to the party/festival and shoot us?

no tanks?

only arrestet party people are good people?

what is the sence of it?

klaus from germany

re: 4 million pounds of explosives 24.Aug.2005 05:16

syn

this taken from the Utah County webpage...

>During the summer of 2005 the Utah County Sheriff's Office has seen an increase in the number of large Rave parties that have occurred within Utah County. Approximately four weeks ago the Sheriff's Office became aware of another possible Rave party that was to occur somewhere in Utah County on August 20, 2005.

>Utah County mass gathering ordinance prohibits the gathering of two hundred and fifty or more persons without a permit, bond, and Utah County Commission approval.

 http://www.co.utah.ut.us/News/DeptNewsDetails.asp?wn_system=SHERIFF&ID=17759


If they were nervous about the explosive plant, why not justify it with that excuse? 'homeland (in)security' would be convincing enough to the general public.

The article also says the law enforcement was SWAT, state and local...not fed.

DO NOT exaggerate 24.Aug.2005 07:06

makes portland IMC lose credibility

Hey,
to whoever wrote that there were soldiers involved busting the Utah rave: please avoid publishing exaggerations in the future, it makes everyone look bad. US cops are often decked out in full battle dress uniform, flak jackets, and assault rifles, but their training and jurisdiction remains largely that of a police force. They´ll be taking your ass to jail, and you´ll get a bust number and receipt for your stuff, and still probably won´t be travelling to camp XRay or some navy brig in the indian ocean.

As long as there is a speck of difference between military and police, please report accurately. If active duty troops are involved next time, it will be a bigger deal, so avoid crying wolf.

If national guard or active military units are involved in future actions, please give us a unit that they´re from (or shoulder badges, chest tags, or something).

USA gets scary... 24.Aug.2005 08:23

Daniel Duarte (Portugal) dna-project@sapo.pt

Personally I think we've reached the point when people think twice before going to the USA. Not only that, the surrounding countrys and basically the world, have reasons to start worrying. I mean.. Think about it.. If China (or whatever great power) had been attacked by terrorist and decided to do what USA has done in the past few years, people would not tolerate that.. They would be shit scared.. A country that does not respect civil and human rights, a country that does not even respect other countrys and not even the United Nations...

I mean.. What the hell is going on? Some of you say "oh its bush's admin fault" .. Well.. You re-elected him!

We all share the same world... Its not only USA around the globe, you know? So why should we allow a country (a super power, by the way) to do whatever the fuck they want? Do you feel confortable thinking of Korea, India, Paquistan, Russia, China (etc etc etc etc) with nuclear weapons? Would you feel confortable if one of those countrys decided they were gonna do whatever the fuck they wanted even if it means disrespecting the UN and millions of people who didnt agreed with that?

You're not running a house there... Its a country... A big country with 52 (i think) states.... Personally Im just waiting for USA to fuck up really big against other countrys, to the point where those other countrys think "what the hell? Im not tolerating this shit no more".

Sorry if I sound harsh... Its just sick the way things are evolving lately.

Better see the signs 24.Aug.2005 09:12

Blup

This is MAD. Why is there no bigger resistance inside the US against all this Madness? Land of the free... that was long time ago.

i just watched one of the reports 24.Aug.2005 11:19

anaonymous

in this  http://kutv.com/topstories/local_story_235151602.html
the reporter states that some of those arrest may have been arrested for "driving under the innfluence". however, we that party goers not asked to leave under the circumstance of arrest by the officers as heard in the "party goer" footage?

Boycott Utah!! Do Not Ski/Snowboard/Travel. F'm where it hurts!!!! 24.Aug.2005 12:02

Wanka

BoyCoTT UtAH!!!BoyCoTT UtAH!!!BoyCoTT UtAH!!!BoyCoTT UtAH!!!BoyCoTT UtAH!!!BoyCoTT UtAH!!!BoyCoTT UtAH!!!BoyCoTT UtAH!!!BoyCoTT UtAH!!!BoyCoTT UtAH!!!BoyCoTT UtAH!!!BoyCoTT UtAH!!!BoyCoTT UtAH!!!BoyCoTT UtAH!!!BoyCoTT UtAH!!!BoyCoTT UtAH!!!BoyCoTT UtAH!!!BoyCoTT UtAH!!!

It's all right wing lies 24.Aug.2005 12:07

Fredric L. Rice frice@skeptictank.org

The initial reports coming out of this terrorist attack is that U. S. soldiers were mixed in with some SWAT and local police and some cop spokespertson confirmed that the majority of the terrorists -- which he admitted numbered about 90 -- were U. S. soldiers, not regular police.

It was also reported that the terrorists were scoping out the concert grounds before the actual concert started, staging their attack befoire hand. Claims that they attacked because of drugs, alcohol, or any other reason is false; the terrorists were planning their assault days in advance and no terrorist infiltrators were significant to anything.

Also all of the claims that some 60 drug users were arrested and that some 17 year old girl was overdosed on dope has _got_ to be false, just the typical right-wing Republinazi lies that's expected of the media. The majority of the victims were arrested for "resisting arrest" because they opened their yaps and demanded due process under the law.

And anyone who wants to claim that these fascists aren't terrorists, I suggest you fucking go run off and look up what constitutes terrorism and acts of terrorists.

 http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Terrorism

This was violence inflicted against young adults for political reasons. The mass murdering butcher George W. Bush was coming to town and the Salt Lake City Mayor was spearheading the pickets and protests against the butcher's war crime atrocities against humanity in Iraq.

If this wasn't a terrorist attack in retribution for opposing a fascist state, then nothing is.

Oh: The fact that the world's mainstream media is virtually ignoring this massive assault against Americans' rights, freedoms, and liberties -- not to mention against Democracy -- is another strong indicator that this was just one more premeditated act of terrorism inflicted against the American people by a mass murdering, brutal fascist regime.

So there. <smile> Strong words but political violence of this sort against a legal concert solely to crack heads before the world's worst terrorist visits the area is something that is _zero_ different than what we had in Germany of the 1930's.


better but still not good at computers 24.Aug.2005 13:09

chops

im using a mac g3 and asked for help and got it (thank you)
i now have bittorrent and the vp3
when i try to play the video on quicktime it plays only text (looks like code mabey)
ive been at this for hours and cant figure it out
i would really like to be able to show these videos to others
thank you for any help
 freebeebumble@yahoo.com

You know what *my* comment is going to be. 24.Aug.2005 13:14

Varro

Sue their asses. If you were at the rave, call the National Lawyers Guild at 212-679-5100 to ask about putting an experienced civil rights and police brutality lawyer on the case, and to preserve your observations and video for a future lawsuit.

Unfortunately, I'm not a Utah lawyer, but there's bound to be someone who can help you.

Can some on please post the MOV file to this site 24.Aug.2005 14:33

Can't get links to work

If some one can post the MOV file quicktime format. I would like to see the video.

Also the comment about Burning Man coming under attack is a good point and cause for concern.

Takes one to know one. 24.Aug.2005 18:01

Waveos

Cops get the best drugs. Anyone reading or posting from the border states of Utah? Have you ever had your stash confiscated by Utah State Troopers after a vehicle search? They go stright for the out-of-state plates, especially Colorado.I know it's happend. Cops take your stash, and tell you to head back where you came from, or get arrested.
The para-military cops seem like the ones on drugs. Utah is a big Meth state. Ultra vilolence, disrepecting civil liberties, amped, yelling , paranoid, thats bad drug behaivior right there, not the people attending. Cops do drugs too.

reclaim the streets 24.Aug.2005 19:07

Maryland

I love drum and bass and most breakbeat-variant-music. Party people, keep a loaded camera on your person!! See how important it is?

Reclaim The Streets and Farms!  http://guest.xinet.com/rts/

The Oath of Freedom 24.Aug.2005 22:19

Retired Marine rph60@hotmail.com

There is no doubt that a large majority of the law enforcement personel are prior military. To all veterans... We took an oath to support and defent the constitution of the United States of America against all enemies, foreign and domestic. DOMESTIC!!! That oath did not have an expiration date. We need to take a hard look at what is happening here. We swore our alegiance to the constitution which protects our rights. Not the ruling body which appears to be hell bent on systematically dismanteling the constitution through intimidation, fear, the Patriot Act, ect.

The time is fast approaching where we will have to stand together with one clear voice and vision. If we do not act soon our only option will be through violence. In my heart and sole, this is not an option. There is still time do bring about change at the polls and demanding that our local governments are accountable. I did not dedicate the better part of my life serving my country to see my family grow up in a world of oppression, hatred and fear of our neigbors.

This is a disgrace and a slap in the face to all of our brothers, past and present who sacrificed their lives for freedom. As veterens we have earned the right to be heard. More so, we have a moral obligation to defend ourselves and our families against those who will blatantly deprive us of the rights we swore to defend.

To those of you who are still serving, you may soon find yourselves faced with an absurd dilema. Will you fire on your brothers and fellow countrymen for excercising OUR right to gather and express ourselves peacfully? Listen to your inner voices. One day we will all be judged. Do not act against your conciences.

To those of you who were part of this outrageous act against society, how do you feel when you look in the mirror? If you do not feel disgust, I truly pity you. For those of you who feel shame the oportunity will come for you to redeem yourselves.

Semper Fi

reply 24.Aug.2005 22:39

an indy droid

"to whoever wrote that there were soldiers involved busting the Utah rave: please avoid publishing exaggerations in the future, it makes everyone look bad. US cops are often decked out in full battle dress uniform, flak jackets, and assault rifles, but their training and jurisdiction remains largely that of a police force."



A firsthand account says there were national guard as well as sheriffs and swat. Another account mentions a national guard vehicle on the scene. That is good enough for indymedia. The NYTimes has much credibility, but it is full of lies and is a force for evil in the world. If that is credibility, I want none of it. Let peoples voices be heard!

Looking at the video, there are no identifiers as police. Usually, police in military gear are still wearing something that says police, across the back, on the shoulder etc. They also usually have their own military style gear which is specific to their own uses. Those soldiers are wearing military helmets, and military belts and other gear. Police do not usually dress this way. There are differences.

But if it turned out that these are all 'cops', then what is the difference? These people are wearing masks and are not identifiable, therefore there is no accountability. At that point, dressed indistinguishable from soldiers, unable to tell their behavior apart, and unable to identify anyone, there is no meaningful difference left.

Posse Comitatus is violated in spirit, if not in the shifting letter of the law.

reply Pt2 24.Aug.2005 22:57

an indy droid

quoted from one of the event promoters

"To clear up any questions any of you had for the event at hand, we DID have all proper permits to host the event on the property that we did. The Utah national guard is one of the agencies that raided the show, and they were the worst ones. That girl you see [in the video] getting the [s***] beat out happens to be one of my good friends, keep in mind this girl does not drink, do drugs, or anything of the sort. All she is is a major DNB fan. We also have hand on eyewitnesses with writen statements stating thay had witnessed 2 of the ment in camo take a young intoxicated girl into one of the porto-potties during the main coarse of the raid while one of them stood outside a watch. In the mean time we presented the "Utah County Mass Gathering Permit" to the officer in charge and he said" No you do not have a permit for this and confiscated my folder w/ insurance policy, Permits, Business Licsense, and proof of permission to use property for the event."

Real article on utah.indymedia.org 25.Aug.2005 02:54

Parker Pinette

I wrote an actual article on this event, complete with separate paragraphs. Also, the article was written by me, and not cut 'n pasted from somebody's blog. If anyone is interested in reading it, you can find it at this link:

 http://utah.indymedia.org/news/2005/08/11330.php

COPIES, Security, and just a tactic 25.Aug.2005 08:20

#

and i'm sure the event promoter has copies of everything that was in that folder.
so if an agency has a munitions plant nearby and the real reason for the raid was to protect the plant, then this shows that agencies aren't communicating with one another. Woah, it's possible that the agency that permitted the event truly was unaware ofthe munitions plant nearby. Now THAT'S scary.
it's easy for me to say this cuz i wasn't there, but please keep on keepin' on and don't be scared from doin' what u do cuz of this obvious intimidation tactic. Solidarity from NYC.
did your news say anything about the munitions plant? where DID that info come from?

CZECHTEK05 26.Aug.2005 15:27

czechtek.freetekno.org

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reply to COPIES, Security and just a tactic 27.Aug.2005 04:05

munitions info came from google

The article mentioned
"The owner of the land already has a lawsuit against the city for something similar. A few months ago, she rented her land for a party and the police raided that as well. And catch this, the police forced her to LEAVE HER OWN PERSONAL PROPERTY. "

it got me wondering what was so special about Spanish Fork so I googled it
and that's when the article came up about the recent explosion and the
size of the munition's plant. The link I posted earlier from the Salt Lake Tribune is no longer valid so just Google "Ensign-Bickford explosion". It left a 70 foot wide by 30 foot deep crater (not your average pothole) and vaporized the truck. I had never heard of Ensign Bickford Company but now that I do, they make one helluva reserch project.

Utah rave vs. Kent State 28.Aug.2005 09:33

annie b.

I'm an old person, a sad person, a scared person. and i agree, protest and protest and protest. this is not the united states i used to know. this is such a swing to the uneducated jibbering right....starting with George and henchmen and filtering down into everything. everything!

Czechtek05 28.Aug.2005 14:11

XXX

 http://en.policejnistat.cz
Information in english, fotos and videos of police brutality on teknival in Czech Republic

.mov 28.Aug.2005 18:00

Anonymous


has all hell broke loose in USA? 29.Aug.2005 08:40

someone from germany

what the hell is happening in USA? looks to me like the behaviour of SS-men, who are stopping the uprising in the warsaw ghetto 1941...

!!???!!??? 29.Aug.2005 12:34

tekket

It is very alarming that represive actions like this one in utah are more and more common in whole so called "democratic and civilized world". Here is how Czech police ended czechtek. more info at  http://en.policejnistat.cz/

"The Garbage Chapter" as a reaction on local discussions 30.Aug.2005 02:14

Aleche Trash panicsauce@seznam.cz

"the garbage chapter"

this digital culture process is just another evolutionary step forward. people demanding freedom, these ones we are. we are at the age of total control now and soon we enter the perversion world of full nano biotechnological martyrdom where everything will hundred times precise. we enter new horizons an our desires old as the world itself entering this world with us.. do we change? no, we just take part of our present babylon into our dream. it s gently contaninated, cannot be pure. we leaving the cities to enjoy industrial era in nature but in fact we leaving the cities to enjoy nature with shapes of the cities everywhere around us. we cannot go back on the tree, so we call for more broken factories. we are here because we present protest against machinery of this technological age. yes, we use machines. computers. cell phones,.. but until we break the source they will be no place for any other anachronism..

i have to say that people always had tried to clean up the area after all czech teknivals. there was always good vilition to clean used and many times highly contaminated areas. also many times this good-will falled down. it had many or actually two reasons and one of these is really point of discussion. politics, police and all other concerned parts in negative stance against such spontaneous acts of freedom, the true danger for liberal conservatism ("freedom" meant by state), manipulating public opinions and shaking the facts in excessive endeavours to discredit the
rebelion of real freedom or its symptons.

so what do i speaking here about? police many times didn t allow to people to clean the areas. last year the good-will of cops to intercept clearage was really enormous. the aftereffects came next days thru massmedia in the form of uncompromising criticism type of "garbage caused damages which
the town will have to clear off on their own costs", "irresponsibilty of the people" and so on and so on. the cops always know what to do and how to use or create the disadvantage in any action against unwanted parts of the population. it s a psychological and neccessary part of the war, they
are trained and drilled for this by nature and these "intellectual techniques" doesn t surprise anybody. this hybrid programme is logical engine of heart-burning system. so people many times left the place without any cleaning because it wasn t possible to clean it because the cops intercepted to clean contaminated areas.
but police is to short. "organisators", well people, free individuals, who was participated in organisation of CzechTeks always did count with massive cleaning up. each sound system before the start of CzechTek giving a donation for cleaning garbage and later these money are used for cointainers and toilettes. these are the rules.
and this year it was the same. everything was organised in good policy to don t give the media and wrong side of the coin a chance to discredit the event. and i have to say that it was well organised, even better than years ago (also the area for CzechTek 2005 was legal).
so every year scenarion written by police and ravers seems to be like this.. push the ravers to leave the garbage and feed the media and public and later comming ravers clean up the garbage and stirred public estimation.

also what i have to mention here is that using used for example ex-military areas for such events became a neccessity. in our risky industrial era is hazardous to plunder any piece of land that still has its blank characters. there must be always good-will to find such areas they cannot
suffer more so to enter the virgin land is a kind of irresponsibility.

because we have to count with some level of damage.
for example CzechTek 2000 was really catastrophic. there was huge rain over the area for 3 days. the ground was completelly boggy. the cops arrived and "cleaned up" the area.. was really hard to clean it up and many garbage left and nearly no one came back to clean it..

but as a good example in all possible ways was CzechTek 2002. it was completelly illegal, spontaneous and the cops finally allowed us to clean the area. later some chiefs came and they said that there s no damage, everything is clean and in the condition as before (it was old military

area). also media on this year reported in more or less positive way, showed the pictures of cleaning people instead of boozed or exhausted crowd.. the point is the core of all responsibility (and freedom) lying on each other. on each other in every system or human allience or community. and nature is one of these that we have to respect more than any individual or common goal.

so the negative part of this problem it s not just about a police or state itself in spite of they are highly influenced. forget this. i see many irresponsible people they just don t care. they exist but working on well precise mechanized doom. you can see them, meet them everywhere and

probably you know some of them - consuming needles, the infection spikes they sucking the nature and the common idea. not just corporations but small, elementary prototypes of this concerns - called human beings.

remember, the question what each human being leave behind himself is also about his material

parts.. the indicator is relentless.

so it s up to us follow the good examples comming from us.

by Aleche Trash/Panic Sauce (Praha/Czech Republic)

utah rave party vs. czechtekk 31.Aug.2005 13:38

Richard Bohm gismo99@seznam.cz

I saw a video recorded during the police action at utah rave party and it's very similar to brutal police action at CZECHTEKK ( 30th july 2005 130 km southwest from Prague,Czech Republic ) . http://en.policejnistat.cz/ Please check the videos there, there is a lot of them . And Me personaly saw a much more horrible there !! !! Let's fight against police brutality and fight for our human rights worldwide )!!!

Hardcore4Eva 08.Sep.2005 11:29

our support is with you all... info@hardcore4eva.co.uk

Having stumble accross this story in my search for articals/material for our website in the UK - www.hardcore4eva.co.uk

I was totally horrified at the turn of events of the police themselves, being responsible of such an horrific "ILLEGAL" act. It is about time people made sure these authorities do their job correctly and to break up a perfectly legal event....well it would be like UK police breaking up a RADIO 1 ROADSHOW - held around this country every summer.

I personally have contacted the local registrar, on behalf of all at Hardcore4Eva and i tell you what i have told them.

THESE PEOPLE DESERVE TO BE IN THE INTERNATIONAL MEDIA AND SHAMED. THEY HAVE BROKEN THE LAW, IN MANY WAYS, OF ANY CIVILISED COUNTRY AND MUST PAY...NOT EVEN ALLOWED TO KEEP THEIR OWN HOMES IN ORDER TO PAY ALL THAT WAS IN ATTENDENCE AT THIS LEGAL EVENT (1500+).

I also told them that I have contacted our national media, BBC News, with the link to this site - hopefully, you will be heard, but not only locally - around the world. They report cases of police brutality, but all have been like kindergarten slaps compared to what you people encountered - alot of active servicemen would never encounter treatment like that.

Hope all you're lawsuits (hopefully 1500+) of them are successful to rid these neo-nazis from power.


Have your say 13.Sep.2005 07:50

Dance Robot

I hope everyone posting on here is taking the time to send your opinions to the official in charge of this outrage.

To make life a little easier following is a list of the emails for all 75 Members of the House of Representatives for Utah. Its not the greatest way to get heard but it is a way. Write an email let them know your feelings. Let them know where your from and that they cant just stamp out isolated groups of ravers cause we all look out for each other and there are a hell of a lot of us

 rmenlove@utah.gov,  bcferry@utah.gov,  cbuttars@utah.gov,  fhunsaker@utah.gov,  wyatt@bdalaw.com,  kwgibson@utah.gov,  gdonnelson@utah.gov,  jmurray@utah.gov,  neilhansen@utah.gov,  lshurtliff@utah.gov,  bdee@utah.gov,  dgreggbuxton@comcast.net,  pray@utah.gov,  coda@utah.gov,  daagard@utah.gov,  stuartadams@utah.gov,  jfisher@utah.gov,  rogerbarrus@utah.gov,  sherylallen@utah.gov,  awhardy@utah.gov,  jgowans@utah.gov,  cduckworth@utah.gov,  dbourdeaux@utah.gov,  rbecker@utah.gov,  rossromero@utah.gov,  dlitvack@utah.gov,  jdougall@utah.gov,  rozmcgee@xmission.com,  janicefisher@utah.gov,  jbiskupski@utah.gov,  lwiley@utah.gov,  ronbigelow@utah.gov,  nhendrickson@utah.gov,  koryholdaway@comcast.net,  markwheatley@utah.gov,  susanlawrence@utah.gov,  csmoss@utah.gov,  ehutchings@utah.gov,  jdunnigan@utah.gov,  patjones@utah.gov,  toddkiser@utah.gov,  pwallace@utah.gov,  wharper@utah.gov,  tcosgrove@utah.gov,  mwalker@utah.gov,  karenmorgan@utah.gov,  stevem@vmh.com,  lavarchristensen@utah.gov,  gcurtis@utah.gov,  greghughes@utah.gov,  dhogue@rep52.com,  dure@utah.gov,  gsnow@utah.gov,  jmathis@utah.gov,  dncox@utah.gov,  cfrank@utah.gov,  jferrin@utah.gov,  lfowlke@utah.gov,  bdaw@utah.gov,  mdayton@utah.gov,  jalexander@utah.gov,  stephenclarkcmc@hotmail.com,  blockhart@utah.gov,  atilton@utah.gov,  mikemorley@utah.gov,  ppainter@utah.gov,  rwheeler@utah.gov,  brad.king@ceu.edu,  bradjohnson@utah.gov,  blast@utah.gov,  bbowman@utah.gov,  mikenoel@kanab.net,  dclark@utah.gov,  surquhart@utah.gov

Keep partying and look after each other and my sympathies to those who were there

I've just sent this to the Utah gov people. 14.Sep.2005 07:30

Smiffy andrew.smith@uwe.ac.uk

Really sorry to read about what happened at that party.. It's aweful that this shit goes down and something needs to be done. This is what I said to all the Utah gov people:

Dear US Government representatives,

I read various internet news sites particularly those that report uncensored reports of government wrong doings. I am also a regular attendee of so called 'illegal rave parties' and even more legal parties. After reading the accounts on the following website of what happened at a party in Utah I felt I had to tell you how disgusted I am:

 http://portland.indymedia.org/en/2005/08/323417.shtml

How can anyone justify sending the military to shut down a party whether it is licensed or not? This seems extremely over the top. I have been to a lot of illegal raves in the UK that have been shut down by police but I have never seen the use of such unnecessary force as was exhibited in Utah by the police and armed soldiers! I have seen police brutality here but thank God they don't have guns yet. I thought the army existed to protect the country it served! Well this example is as far away from that as I can imagine! Shutting down this party using any means would have been ridiculous anyway as the organisers did everything the authorities asked in order to make sure it was a legitimate event. They had insurance, permits, security staff and the land was private and hired from the land-owner. In fact, the only illegal things that happened on that night were those perpetrated by the military and police! No 'ravers' have guns or want to hurt anyone so the physical violence you can see in the footage of the event was not just un-called for, it was criminal activity and there needs to be an investigation into why troops thought it was OK to kick, punch, set dogs on and point guns at people! In fact, I want to know who authorised the military force that night in the first place?

I'm trying not to get angry in my words but this event along with scenes at a similar event in the Czech Republic are making my blood boil. I understand to a certain extent why some illegal raves are shut down but there is never a need to involve the military! They should be saving lives not endangering them. Why aren't they in New Orleans doing their bit there? I hope you too are as disgusted as me and the whole rave community that I am part of. We span the globe and we find out when things like this happen. We are a peaceful bunch of people but we are also not prepared to keep quiet.

Please reply to me pesonally with your own words, not just a generic email and tell me there will be justice for all those physically hurt at this legal, completely legitimatly organised party. For Gods sake, some of your own children may have been there and if they were I hope they are OK.

Yours Truly, a very worried English man,

Andy Smith

Your still lucky 03.Oct.2005 10:50

A swede

This sort of action can be directly associated with a Socialist Police state, neither of wich either America or Sweden "publicly" is...
Unfortunatly it seems that latly Sweden has been used by the USA as a "testing" ground for how far you can violate civil and humanitarian rights without reprimand, since the Swedish politicans has allways aspired to be Americas 53'rd state or something like that, even aiding CIA opperatives in kidnapping Swedish citizens and exporting them to countrys like Egypt for no other reason that the guys brother in law's mothers sister's sons wife's neighbour MIGHT have been a terrorist, to there be tortured to se if he knows something about said neighbour...
I am sorry to say that this "raid" will only be the tip of the ice berg, it will get ALOT worse before long...

What to do about it... i dont know..
But its sad...

Good luck, perhapps you can find a way to break this trend of elitists constant violation of civil and human rights...

israeli stoner 17.Nov.2005 08:39

israeli stoner

i see your case from israel im shocked.... you should all leave the pot and start make a big big work
to move g.w bush away......... this dude and the american society is so so so so fucked im shocked
you should all spread the lsd

hydro wont help the us ,united states needs acid
sometime it seems that all the amercians are mental...heavly

guns against doobies !? are your government nuts !? make a big big big noise against theme
otherwise leave the us

email sent 03.Dec.2005 16:12

sean

I just sent to everyone on the list (I havn't slept in 23 hours though!!)

"Dear US Government Representative,

I recently read shocking reports of an atrocious assault made on the attendees of a legal, and fully licenced outdoor party, violating basic human rights. I just wanted to make known my opinion that in America, supposedly an example of relative freedom and justice, one would expect citizens to be safe from this kind of treatment.

The use of such excessive force, especially to stop recording of the violations, was and is despicable, and is bound to damage the appearance of the US authorities, both within your country and internationally.

I express deep disapproval of the actions of your state's authorities on the 25th August of this year.


Yours faithfully,

Sean Smith"


Will they add me to the FBI database? Or am I already in there??

I got a reply from Curtis Oda... 04.Dec.2005 05:32

sean

Mr. Smith,
You obviously do not have all of the facts. There have been many false accounts published by world media networks due to sensationalist media reporting here.
It is sad that we cannot trust the twisted reporting of the media any longer.

And This Is Not The First Time It Has Happened 15.Dec.2005 18:35

Jettia Errantseed1@aol.com

Reading about this , watching the video was enough for me it took me back to when that type of shit started, i live here out in cal, san bernardino but around 1990's there was a rave that went down every year at downtown. l.a. it was called Circa i don't know if anyone rembers it i have been tying hard to look for news about that night though, it ended up me and my ex went to Circa, at the same time everyone havinf a good time someone was passing a drug called fx it was in a liquiad form even the dj's stop to annuonce anyone with it throw the shit out well i think some people took it and had passed out the next thing i know i heard the helicopter, in my gut i know thee rave sence would for sure change in 2000. I looked up the news was already there , (my mom saw me on t.v.the news ) and the were milatary guys with those plastic sheilds, with tanks man it was crazy the next i know people were getting beat up i saw my freind bloody on the head, everyone was running, and there was alot of us in a gorup, yelling together hell no we won't go, dance !i was scared cause we had to go home by bus at think it was like 1:00 in the morning with fucking miltary around, WHy Do They use such force? And the news they just ate it up man it was all over about the rave Why do they deniy us the right to dance?and drugs , they r going to be alover no matter what,i'm drug free, i'v been going on 7 years now, why can't people just rave drug free man, it saddens me .... But what went down in Utah Rave , shame on you cops, not even cops more like animals....

(909)4250304

I just wrote to ABC NEWS and i hope you casn do the same 15.Dec.2005 19:56

jettia Errantseed1@aol.com

Since i could'nt really find any news other than here and Utah about this going down and i have seen to often it needs to stop, i went to abc.com and i wrote to them hoping to see if they willopen this story up. I worte why was there need for such brutalty to end this rave whichwas licensed and all, and plus its not the first time its happened, its gone down in l.a. and worldwide.
I wwas just hoping you guys out there could put up some commets or put your question to be answered to
abc.news.com put how you feel this type of story needs to be out there.
This raver is getting tried of being pushed around.... thanks

(909)425-0304

I DONT BELIVE WHAT YOU'RE SAYING 28.Dec.2005 07:42

RAVERBASHER iramos@crystalcruises.com

I see this guy talking about circa in downtown l.a.

as a native of los angeles and a faithful rave goer.... i can tell you THAT NO TANKS WOULD BE ABLE to get to downtown l.a. to break up a party.

http://4ravers.com
los angeles

I was there.... 08.Mar.2006 13:14

Teddie ashleyhayda@yahoo.com

Hey everyone. I love seeing you guys talk about this event... I was there.. it was probably the 10-20th rave i had gone to, but only the secong out door, and it was horrible, me and most of my friends made it out safe... but one got busted.. it really sucked.. i would love to discuss this kind of stuff with you more.. so hit me up  ashleyhayda@yahoo.com and also im looking for a rave in portland now... im in coosbay and i have never gone to a west coast rave.. so help a fellow raver out.. it will be most of my frineds first rave so YAY!


Typical of Utah Legislature 27.Mar.2007 19:56

Rako

This rave attack and beating is typical of the violence encouraged by Utah legislators.

According to the Salt Lake Tribune article "Weird Laws Clutter the Utah Code " : Utah parents can give written permission to teachers to hit their children," even though none of the public schools officially do it. (Dan Harrie and Judy Fahys, January 18, 1998)

The law was passed in 1992 and says:
"A school employee may not inflict or cause the infliction of corporal punishment upon a child who is receiving services from the school, unless written permission has been given by the student's parent or guardian to do so."
UTAH LAW 53A-11-802
www.le.state.ut.us/~code/TITLE53A/htm/53A0C034.htm

In other words, who ever a child lives with- be it an adoptive parent, step-parent, or uncle- can tell teachers to hit the child with a thick board leaving redness and welts. The thick board is called a "paddle" and was invented to beat slaves.

Since the end of slavery in 1865 America's schools and institutions have step by step abolished corporal punishment. Hundreds of global and US organizations like the United Nations, the US Parent and Teacher Association, and the National Association of State Boards of Education have passed resolutions against corporal punishment. They believe students have the same right to be protected from physical violence as do wives, animals, and criminals.

According to Ontario Consultants on Religious Tolerance, "the LDS church has consistently discouraged this approach to child rearing. President Hinckley: "called physical abuse of children unnecessary, unjustified and indefensible." He said: "I have never accepted the principle of 'spare the rod and spoil the child.' I am persuaded that violent fathers produce violent sons. Children don't need beating. They need love and encouragement." ( http://www.religioustolerance.org/lds_intr.htm)


5 years after the 1992 Utah law was passed, the Utah Senate tried to ban school beatings completely.

The Salt Lake City Tribune wrote an excellent editorial supporting the proposal. It explained that beating students in front of their peers "implies they are less worthy of respect, less human than those whose whose parents say "keep your hands off my child."
"Hands Off Those Students," 23 January 1997

But when the Senate sent the bill to the Utah House, the House disagreed and the bill died.


Now 10 years later the state Office of Education has a regulation against beating students but it does not override the law allowing beatings with guardian permission. Ontario Consultants on Religious Tolerance stated in a 2006 report that while it is not practiced, some school districts "do not have a formal ban in place."

While school staff may be under the impression that it is illegal, some districts are still printing handbooks saying teachers can beat students with permission.

For example, the Salt Lake Tribune reported that San Juan School District's school board unanimously opposed the idea of ending school beatings. Its handbook states:

SAFE SCHOOLS POLICY
A school employee may not inflict or cause the infliction of corporal punishment upon a student who is receiving services from the school unless written permission has been given by the student's parent or guardian to do so. This applies to students under the age of eighteen (18), or under the age of twenty three (23) if the student is receiving educational services as an individual with a disability.
 http://www.sanjuan.k12.ut.us/Policy/6000/6500/6510.htm

How is beating students with thick wooden board part of a "Safe School?"

And safe for who? Teachers who can't handle students criticizing them to their friends?

What kind of school lets guardians give permission to beat 22 year old disabled students?


Kane School District's handbook has the same policy.
 http://www.kane.k12.ut.us/html/policiesA.htm


In 1984, 1 in 2000, (about 240) students in Utah were beaten according to completely optional government surveys. The number does not show the number of instances these students were beaten. Furthermore, the Office of Civil Rights considers the optional surveys to be a significant underestimate.

On top of the disgusting policies of public schools like San Juan and Kane, Utah's law and State Board regulations have no effect on school beatings in private schools. In fact, the government does not collect statistics on hitting in private schools, so there is no way to know for sure whether it is being used.

Graduates from private boarding schools for American Indians remember "the 'hotline' in which the offending student was forced to walk a gauntlet of classmates wielding belts or sticks or hairbrushes."

"The girls had to walk the gauntlet and get the backs of their legs switched, and if the switcher was too light on the switch, they had to do it hard. These girls had legs that were swollen three times their size"
(American Indians Describe School Beatings , By Matt Kelley, The Associated Press , April 24, 1999)

In 2006 SURVEY USA found that only a tiny minority - 15% - of Utah citizens supported corporal punishment in school. Why should their unfortunate children be humiliated in front of their protected classmates?

The poll's results show that Utah legislators have a responsibility to enforce the will of the overwhelming majority of its citizens and free children once and for all from the threat of school beatings.


NOTES:

"Hands Off Those Students," Salt Lake City Tribune, January 23 1997
 http://www.corpun.com/ussc9701.htm

Utah House Education Committee,
Representative Gregory H. Hughes, Chair
Republican - District 51
 http://www.le.state.ut.us/house/members2005/bios2005.asp?id=51

For the other members, click on Committee Membership:  http://www.le.state.ut.us/asp/Interim/Commit.asp?Year=2007&Com=HSTEDU

ON THE CHURCH OF LATTER DAY SAINTS' OPPOSITION TO CORPORAL PUNISHMENT:

On the Matter of Spanking by Glenn I. Latham ,  http://deseretbook.com/mormon-life/news/story?story_id=754
Joseph F Smith's biography ,  http://www.lightplanet.com/mormons/people/joseph_fielding_smith.html
Parenting the Lord's Way by Allen Leigh ,  http://www.shire.net/mormon/parent.html
The Book of Mormon's Opposition to Corporal Punisment , an essay ,  http://www.nopaddle.com/frames.asp?ch=11&se=127 <===(click next page at the bottom to go to the next page of the essay)
Discipline and the Plan of Salvation by Nola Redd ,  http://lds.families.com/blog/discipline-and-the-plan-of-salvation

Typical of Utah Legislature 27.Mar.2007 19:58

Rako

This rave attack and beating is typical of the violence encouraged by Utah legislators.

According to the Salt Lake Tribune article "Weird Laws Clutter the Utah Code " : Utah parents can give written permission to teachers to hit their children," even though none of the public schools officially do it. (Dan Harrie and Judy Fahys, January 18, 1998)

The law was passed in 1992 and says:
"A school employee may not inflict or cause the infliction of corporal punishment upon a child who is receiving services from the school, unless written permission has been given by the student's parent or guardian to do so."
UTAH LAW 53A-11-802
www.le.state.ut.us/~code/TITLE53A/htm/53A0C034.htm

In other words, who ever a child lives with- be it an adoptive parent, step-parent, or uncle- can tell teachers to hit the child with a thick board leaving redness and welts. The thick board is called a "paddle" and was invented to beat slaves.

Since the end of slavery in 1865 America's schools and institutions have step by step abolished corporal punishment. Hundreds of global and US organizations like the United Nations, the US Parent and Teacher Association, and the National Association of State Boards of Education have passed resolutions against corporal punishment. They believe students have the same right to be protected from physical violence as do wives, animals, and criminals.

According to Ontario Consultants on Religious Tolerance, "the LDS church has consistently discouraged this approach to child rearing. President Hinckley: "called physical abuse of children unnecessary, unjustified and indefensible." He said: "I have never accepted the principle of 'spare the rod and spoil the child.' I am persuaded that violent fathers produce violent sons. Children don't need beating. They need love and encouragement." ( http://www.religioustolerance.org/lds_intr.htm)


5 years after the 1992 Utah law was passed, the Utah Senate tried to ban school beatings completely.

The Salt Lake City Tribune wrote an excellent editorial supporting the proposal. It explained that beating students in front of their peers "implies they are less worthy of respect, less human than those whose whose parents say "keep your hands off my child."
"Hands Off Those Students," 23 January 1997

But when the Senate sent the bill to the Utah House, the House disagreed and the bill died.


Now 10 years later the state Office of Education has a regulation against beating students but it does not override the law allowing beatings with guardian permission. Ontario Consultants on Religious Tolerance stated in a 2006 report that while it is not practiced, some school districts "do not have a formal ban in place."

While school staff may be under the impression that it is illegal, some districts are still printing handbooks saying teachers can beat students with permission.

For example, the Salt Lake Tribune reported that San Juan School District's school board unanimously opposed the idea of ending school beatings. Its handbook states:

SAFE SCHOOLS POLICY
A school employee may not inflict or cause the infliction of corporal punishment upon a student who is receiving services from the school unless written permission has been given by the student's parent or guardian to do so. This applies to students under the age of eighteen (18), or under the age of twenty three (23) if the student is receiving educational services as an individual with a disability.
 http://www.sanjuan.k12.ut.us/Policy/6000/6500/6510.htm

How is beating students with thick wooden board part of a "Safe School?"

And safe for who? Teachers who can't handle students criticizing them to their friends?

What kind of school lets guardians give permission to beat 22 year old disabled students?


Kane School District's handbook has the same policy.
 http://www.kane.k12.ut.us/html/policiesA.htm


In 1984, 1 in 2000, (about 240) students in Utah were beaten according to completely optional government surveys. The number does not show the number of instances these students were beaten. Furthermore, the Office of Civil Rights considers the optional surveys to be a significant underestimate.

On top of the disgusting policies of public schools like San Juan and Kane, Utah's law and State Board regulations have no effect on school beatings in private schools. In fact, the government does not collect statistics on hitting in private schools, so there is no way to know for sure whether it is being used.

Graduates from private boarding schools for American Indians remember "the 'hotline' in which the offending student was forced to walk a gauntlet of classmates wielding belts or sticks or hairbrushes."

"The girls had to walk the gauntlet and get the backs of their legs switched, and if the switcher was too light on the switch, they had to do it hard. These girls had legs that were swollen three times their size"
(American Indians Describe School Beatings , By Matt Kelley, The Associated Press , April 24, 1999)

In 2006 SURVEY USA found that only a tiny minority - 15% - of Utah citizens supported corporal punishment in school. Why should their unfortunate children be humiliated in front of their protected classmates?

The poll's results show that Utah legislators have a responsibility to enforce the will of the overwhelming majority of its citizens and free children once and for all from the threat of school beatings.


NOTES:

"Hands Off Those Students," Salt Lake City Tribune, January 23 1997
 http://www.corpun.com/ussc9701.htm

Utah House Education Committee,
Representative Gregory H. Hughes, Chair
Republican - District 51
 http://www.le.state.ut.us/house/members2005/bios2005.asp?id=51

For the other members, click on Committee Membership:  http://www.le.state.ut.us/asp/Interim/Commit.asp?Year=2007&Com=HSTEDU

ON THE CHURCH OF LATTER DAY SAINTS' OPPOSITION TO CORPORAL PUNISHMENT:

On the Matter of Spanking by Glenn I. Latham ,  http://deseretbook.com/mormon-life/news/story?story_id=754
Joseph F Smith's biography ,  http://www.lightplanet.com/mormons/people/joseph_fielding_smith.html
Parenting the Lord's Way by Allen Leigh ,  http://www.shire.net/mormon/parent.html
The Book of Mormon's Opposition to Corporal Punisment , an essay ,  http://www.nopaddle.com/frames.asp?ch=11&se=127 <===(click next page at the bottom to go to the next page of the essay)
Discipline and the Plan of Salvation by Nola Redd ,  http://lds.families.com/blog/discipline-and-the-plan-of-salvation