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There is a significant likelihood that the United States is going to experience a nuclear attack. This attack will probably take the form of the destruction of more than one American city, and will be designed to cause maximum casualties.
This seems inevitable because the steps necessary to prevent it have not been taken, and perhaps cannot be taken. While some efforts have been made by Homeland Security to secure our borders and ports against the importation of illegal nuclear materials, the reality is that a determined enemy will eventually get such things through.

But who has both the motive and the means? Certainly, al Quaeda would appear to have the motive, as would any number of other terrorist groups, Islamic and otherwise. There is more to it than that, though.

While I cannot prove it with documentary evidence, I can speculate that there is a hidden group, not really organized in any overt way, that, taken together, possesses both the motive and the will to engage in this horrific act.

I am not so sure that it is as simple as an Islamic Terrorist group. That's part of it, but the waters run even deeper.

The reasons for this are many, chief among them the fact that there are elements within the United States government who are deeply committed to destroying this free society, and rendering it powerless to prevent their larger aims in the world, which are to fulfill a modified version the racial and social objectives that were formed in Germany during the twenties and thirties of the last century.

The power centers of this group are three: Saudi Arabia, Munich, and Texas. Elements of these three communities are connected by a secret bond of loyalty that was forged during and after World War II, in the German prisoner of war camps in South Texas, in the Islamic Center of Munich, and among Texas oil men and the Saudi kingdom.

Beginning in 1942, the British began to be unable to house all the German prisoners they were taking in North Africa, then, as the war wound down, in Europe. By late 1944, the western Allies were refusing the surrender of German soldiers, and simply disarming them and sending them home. The Russians were briefly interning them and then killing them like cattle.

Prior to this 650,000 German prisoners were sent to internment camps in the United States. A number of these camps were located in Texas, in Hearne, in San Antonio and other places, mostly in South Texas, because the soldiers had been captured in North Africa and the Geneva Convention required that they be interned in areas similar to those in which they had been captured.

Soldiers in these camps were governed by their own officers, which meant that a powerful Nazi presence existed in the camps. In fact, they were run by Nazis, with the full co-operation of the US government. Again, it was required under the Geneva Convention that officers of captured troops be allowed to remain responsible for the welfare of their prisoner-soldiers.

Also in South Texas was a substantial settlement of Germans who had come as a result of the urging of an early colonist of German extraction, Fredrick Diercks. At present, there are about 2.5 million Texas Germans, located mostly in the hill country north of San Antonio, San Antonio itself, and throughout south Texas.

I am, myself, a Texas German, and I do not mean to imply by anything that follows that I think that the majority of Texas Germans are in any way disloyal Americans, or even that people of German descent in Texas form the core of the present post-Nazi group I am discussing here.

However, Naziism was brought to Texas by Germans, and it has taken root there.

Prior to World War II, there was a significant Nazi movement in the United States. The FDNA, the American Nazi Party, was run from Germany until 1936, when it became the German-American Bund, an American-run replacement that was designed to be less unpopular with the American people.

In South Texas, there were about 2,000 registered Bund members when war broke out between Germany and the US. Most of them were in south Texas, specifically in San Antonio and the counties to the south and east of that city. They were interned in camps in Crystal City and Kenedy, Texas, along with German aliens who had been in the United States at the time war was declared.

This was done to prevent them from sending money to Germany via Mexico. Like the more public Union Bank, which had been created by Prescott Bush with the support of influential Germans, the purpose of this was to enable Germany to replenish its gold reserves, which had been severely depleted after World War I. After WWII began, Germany's need for gold became more urgent, because of the demands of the war.

There was much communication between German nationals and US Bund members interned in Kenedy and Crystal City, and Nazi officers interned at Fort Sam Houston in San Antonio. This was accomplished by US Army intelligence officers who moved between the three groups trying to find out how US dollars were moving from South Texas to Mexico, where they were being used to buy gold to send to Germany.

Profoundly loyal relationships were developed between some Texans, Germans and others, and members of the Nazi party interned in the various camps. These relationships survived the war, and after it was over, the overseers of Project Paperclip, which was a program that brought German scientists of use to the United States into this country, determined that Air Force installations near San Antonio would be a good place to base such scientists, who would find a relatively more receptive community in which to live.

At the same time in Germany, an event was taking place that would form the basis for the connection between Saudi Arabia and the Nazis and, ultimately, oilmen among the Texas Germans, who have brought their loyalties forward, at this point, two generations.

During the war, large numbers of Red Army soldiers deserted to the Wehrmacht, and many of these soldiers ended up in West Germany after the war. As they learned more about Nazi ideology, they discovered in its occult roots a connection to Islam that drew them toward that religion, but not entirely because they believe in the words of the Prophet in the same sense that an ordinary Muslim does.

By 1958, ex-Nazis had founded a mosque in Munich, which, on the surface, was a place of Moslem worship, but which was also a center for Nazi recruitment and maintenance of the Nazi organization throughout the world. There was a need for funding, and this was found by following the traces of the old gold path back through Mexico to the Texas Germans. The movement took on its Moslem appearance and character when it became clear that existing Arab ad-hoc financial systems, which primarily involved cash transfers based on coded telegrams, would be an ideal means of funding substantial activities, which included, by that time, very extensive political operations throughout Latin America, as well as a slow process of infiltration of the American political system.

Information about how to access these Arab financial systems, and how to gain the confidence of the Saudis was provided by representatives of ARAMCO, the Arab-American Oil Company, Texas Germans who were sympathetic to the larger aims of the Munich group.

The infiltration of the American political system was accomplished by reconstructing the links that had existed before the war between the German-American Bund and the followers of Father Charles Coughlin, an influential Nazi sympathizer of the thirties.

Originally a supporter of the New Deal, by the late thirties Father Coughlin had abandoned his National Union of Social Justice and created the Christian Front, which is the foundation, in one way or another, of many modern extremist political organizations that characterize themselves as Christian.

Increasingly, in the late thirties and early forties, Father Coughlin became more pro-Nazi and anti-Semitic. An FBI raid on Coughlin's headquarters in 1940 revealed evidence that the group planned the murder of many Jews and other political leaders, and Father Coughlin faded from the national scene.

After the war, many of Father Coughlin's followers sought other means of expressing their anti-Communism and anti-Semitism, and their relationships with members of the German-American Bund.

There is no structured organizational link between the old Bund, Father Coughlin, and modern extremists on the left and the right in the United States who, mostly without realizing it, are members of groups that support the larger objectives of Naziism, which is a vitally alive and active, if concealed, political presence in the modern world.

However, when you see members of the left claiming that they are "anti-Zionist," not anti-Semitic, and sometimes defending blood-soaked forgeries such as the "Protocols of the Elders of Zion," a fabrication created in the late nineteenth century by elements of the Okrana, the Czarist secret service, to justify economic expropriation of Jewish assets by cash-strapped Imperial Russia, you are seeing unconscious Nazis doing the work of the larger organization, which remains to eliminate democracy as a form of government, and to eradicate the Jewish race.

Similarly, when you see radical Christian groups claiming that the Nazi stronghold Colonia Dignidad in Chile had innocuous aims, and calling for the replacement of the American republic with a "Bible republic," you are seeing groups carrying out, for the most part unconsciously, the objectives of world Naziism.

Modern Nazis do not express their sympathies openly. The American Nazi Party, for example, has no more to do with them than do publicly visible racist organizations in Germany and Russia. Rather, they are Nazi by their sympathies and their beliefs, not in name or by virtue of membership in political organizations.

There is one world shrine, however, that many of them visit from time to time. This is a grove of trees in Berchtesgaden, near the site of Hitler's mountain chalet, which was destroyed after the war and is now occupied by a hotel. The postwar West German state forbade the placement of votives or memorials on the site of the chalet itself, but it still drew silent visitors from around the world. The grove is its replacement.

Whether worshipers at the grove or not, these people, with their shared beliefs and loyalties, and their successful avoidance of discovery by the press, have come very close to Hitler's objective, which is world domination by a central authoritarian government that would function as an umbrella over all other governments. However, there is a difference now. In order for such a profoundly inhuman, not to say inhumane, organization to control the life of man, it would need to be a deep secret. In fact, it would need almost to be tacit, an organization of shared beliefs and agreements, rather than anything on paper.

This is what it is, in fact. Its members, at this point, are bound more by family ties and a belief that they have a superior ability to govern, than by any sentimental connection to Adolf Hitler. For the most part, they would never dream of visiting Berchtesgaden, nor do they feel any connection with Nazism. They are Nazis, however, in that their personal ideology is authoritarian and racist in the same ways, and for the same reason, that Nazism is authoritarian and racist, and arises from the same deep currents of fear, personal arrogance and tribalism that gave rise to the Nazi movement.

The link with Saudi Arabia has three roots: money, Islam and anti-Semitism. The mosque in Munich appears now to be a thriving center of radical Islam and anti-Semitism, carefully concealed to avoid violating German law. Money travels freely around the world, borne on the tide of an ancient system of finance that is cash based and, at this point, completely untraceable. It gets its cash from the Saudis and from counterfeiting operations located throughout the world, most notably in Syria, Iran and Myanmar. Indeed, counterfeit dollars are at this point so perfect that they cannot be distinguished from real currency at all. Nobody knows how much American cash is fake, but billions of dollars a year are poured into the world economy in the form of artificial American cash.

Returning to the roots of Nazi influence in modern America, and why this is leading to a nuclear attack on the United States, it is necessary to explore the current situation, so that we can understand why the Nazis, as close as they are to goals they have been pursuing for two generations, would suddenly feel so threatened.

It is first necessary to understand that they began the process of gaining control of the United States back in the fifties, when they began to act, behind the cover of an extensive and cancerous system of "classification," through which all important information was routinely withheld from the public, to consolidate their power within the military, the cutting edge of space science, and the human behavioral arm of the intelligence community.

Dwight Eisenhower was well aware of this problem, and in his last speech as president of the United States warned against the growth of the very "military-industrial complex" that has come to dominate American society, and has preserved itself past the cold war by manufacturing an artificial atmosphere of crisis, without regard for the welfare of the nation or the lives of its citizens, or those of any other nation.

After John F. Kennedy was elected to office, Eisenhower warned him that these people had taken over a small piece of American soil called No-Name Key, where the International Penetration Force was being trained. Kennedy accordingly put a stop to activities on No-Name Key and aborted the planned invasion of Cuba.

This outraged a group of right-wing Texas oilmen, among them H. L. Hunt and others, who began to seek the assassination of Kennedy. Whether they succeeded or not remains a source of controversy, but certainly they wanted Kennedy dead.

During the fifties, also, various CIA-sponsored mind control experiments, among them Operation Bluebird, MK-ULTRA and others, sought to create, and did create, assassins, of whom Robert Kennedy's murderer, Sirhan Sirhan, was almost certainly one.

The Kennedys were killed not only because of Cuba, but because they did not intend to extend American operations in Vietnam, and, above all, were aware of the fact that Nazis and Nazi sympathizers were getting involved in the American political process, most particularly in Texas.

It was also at this time that George H.W. Bush, with his knowledge of the old gold path gained from his father and his father's Union Bank records, moved from Connecticut to Houston. He brought with him a hidden connection both to German Nazis and to Saudi anti-Semites, and effectively consolidated the movement in Texas, removing the last traces of it from the hostile northeastern United States, and placing it firmly among the more congenial Texas German community.

Whether he did this consciously or not I do not know. But I do know that he moved to Texas because there were like minded people there, who were not disturbed by his father's wartime miscalculation and, indeed, may even have found it laudable.

There are deep sympathies among some Texas, especially connected to the oil industry, that coincide with the interests of the Munich mosque, the Saudis, and American authoritarians who seek to establish a world government that controls local puppet states across the planet, without regard to how they function locally, as long as they act toward the great corporations that are the real seat of elite power, as they are bidden to act.

Over time, the objective of this elite is to establish itself as a kind of international royalty that will rule a planet of what will essentially be pacified slaves. In general, human beings will no longer be able to move between countries freely, will no longer have access to a free exchange of ideas, and will be caught in an economic trap from which, without any meaningful organizations among the general population to balance the power of this authority, there will be no escape.

As was true when the Roman republic collapsed, the appearance of free government will be maintained. The Roman senate continued to sit, and apparently to govern a republic, for hundreds of years after all power had, in fact, passed to the emperors. City officials continued to be elected as before, throughout the empire. But, in fact, it was not a free society, and eventually succumbed, as this new one will, too, to the cumbersome inefficiencies of authoritarianism.

Sadly, we will face, on a larger scale, the same fate that befell the Romans, who celebrated in the streets when the brutal imperial tax collectors came no more. Within two generations, most of the western Roman empire had degenerated into starved and miserable communities isolated from each other by a lack of roads, by the decline of Latin into a polyglot of slangs, by the isolation of government to the point that the only real order any leader could impose, for example, in Gaul, extended only as far as a soldier could march in a day. Money was forgotten to the point that, when it began to be reintroduced a few hundred years later, it was regarded as a form of magic. Literature, the arts and science declined into a confusion of superstitions that led to the dictatorship of the church, a malign barbarism that lasted a thousand years.

It is impossible to estimate just how much mankind lost of hope and freedom when the Roman republic collapsed, or how much more with the collapse of the empire, but certainly we are as we are today, mired in this strange and malignant state of wars, alarms, disasters, and concealed leaderships because we have never managed to truly democratize, to finally establish an economic and governmental system that flows from the individual and not the various institutional forms that have arisen, in endless variety, over the millennias-long struggle of this species to free itself from those who would impose the will of the few on the many.

It may seem a long leap from there to the Kennedy assassinations, the shoot-down of TWA Flight 800, 911, the London bombings and the threat to Carl Rove that has emerged in recent months, but it is not.

It is difficult not to think that this silent, almost ad-hoc movement of authoritarians is not deeply invested in the United States military and in the government, and acting to further its objectives from positions of power, that are protected by the political leadership because it is no longer powerful enough to dislodge them, or does not care to do so, or cannot find them.

Despite the absurd explanation for the presence of a missile track in a video of the Flight 800 disaster offered by the CIA after the event, it still remains true that the plane was shot down. The one vessel known to be in the area at the moment the plane exploded that was probably involved—a small boat that headed out to sea at high speed immediately after the incident—was the only craft not investigated by the FBI. The CIA's explanation of the missile track is childish propaganda, as silly as the explanation for why the 757 that struck the Pentagon on 911 mysteriously vaporized.

It is my belief that Flight 800 was shot down by elements operating within the United States government, and using its facilities and resources, in order to prevent documents that had been placed aboard the plane from reaching Kennedy associate Pierre Salinger in France. I fear that these documents would have proven connections between people like Roy Hargraves of No-Name Key fame, H. L. Hunt, and a number of other Texas millionaires who have been heavy political contributors over the years to both US political parties, both of which have accepted this tainted money and become its victims.

Judging from his statements at the time, Mr. Salinger was well aware of what was coming his way, which was why he so vociferously maintained that the plane had been shot down. He knew it, I suspect, certainly, but was led, through a lack of sophistication, into making a fool of himself over the matter.

What happened on 911 is that a consortium involving the Bin Laden family and their friends in Texas engaged in an operation that was, to an extent, co-opted by the errant Bin Laden brother into a much more extensive attack than the rest of the conspirators had expected. They did not count on suicide bombers, nor on the fact that the World Trade Center could be entirely destroyed. They sought a spectacular and terrifying event, not a catastrophe on the scale that actually unfolded. However, they did receive the benefit of the event, which was exactly the same benefit that Adolf Hitler received after the burning of the Reichstag in 1933: a transformation in popularity inspired by public fear.

They are in an even worse position now than they were then. George W. Bush is one of the least popular presidents in American history. Through greed and a lack of expertise, his administration has gotten itself into a quagmire in Iraq which the public will not tolerate much longer, but which cannot be ended "with honor" for the foreseeable future.

Now the whole administration is threatened with being unraveled over the Valerie Plame affair. If any serious attention is paid to Carl Rove and his background by the press, a great deal of information could become public, information that would inevitably lead to the discovery and subsequent destruction of the entire secret infrastructure that I am discussing here.

I do not know if the president--or any president, for that matter--has been consciously aware of the existence of this malign structure. I'm not suggesting that the Bush administration would engage in an act of terrorism to boost its popularity.

What I am suggesting is that there are elements who operate within the government, and have access to its resources, who might well do that, and who have been doing it for many years.

However, if Mr. Rove's associations in Texas are scrutinized carefully, some of these people are going to be exposed for what they are, probably to the shock and surprise of most of the administration, Rove included.

This could have happened during any previous administration from Eisenhower's on, and would have been done BY the Kennedy Administration, had he lived, or his brother.

If the public wakes up, a vast historical change could then begin to unfold. As ordinary people across the world realize that the whole system of beliefs, dogmas, ideologies, hostilities, battles and rivalries by which we live are an illusion created by a cynical leadership, and do not emerge out of the hearts of the people, it could be that mankind will refocus on the only thing that has ever mattered, from the beginning of history: that each individual obtain sufficient prosperity and happiness, in a peaceful context, to express all of his potential into the world, and taste of this life to the fullest.

This desire is the great current of human life, the vast, unstoppable river, as it were, of souls seeking to ascend into a new realm of freedom. Standing against it, and thinking of themselves as carrying the banner of a desperate elite against the torrent of a despised horde, are the inheritors of the traditions of race and entitlement that go as deep, and were briefly given voice by Adolf Hitler.

If these people do not get what they need, and fast, they are going to falter. The US midterm elections will be a catastrophe for the Christian right, and thus also for them, for they hide themselves among the many good and sincere people who give that movement its importance by their loyalty to it.

This will result in a new congress, one that is about evenly divided between moderate Republicans and Democrats, that will be willing to pursue investigations that must not be pursued, if the elite is to continue to hold sway. It will lead to a revitalization of the press, which has been in thrall to the power of government since 9/11.

It will lead, in short, to the destruction of a system that has, from the assassination of Kennedy to 911 and beyond, come within inches of the goal it has held for generations, which is domination of this planet.

Another small terrorist attack in the US will not be sufficient to stop the unraveling that is threatened. In fact, that will only weaken an administration whose one area of popularity remains its effectiveness against terrorism. No, something much larger is needed now, and the sudden expansion of discussion about the possibility of nuclear terrorism should be taken as a sign and a warning. There is great peril now. If the administration begins to collapse, and that does not seem far off, given Mr. Rove's troubles, a gigantic terror attack on American soil would seem to be one way this malign presence might choose to shore it up.

The president will act as he did last time, doing everything he can by his own lights to help the people, and, I would hope, never imagining for a moment that elements within the government were involved in the catastrophe, any more than Bill Clinton knew that Flight 800 was an act of terrorism, or that this fact was protected by a skillfully disempowered FBI investigation.

We can only hope that they will hesitate to pull the trigger until it is too late for them to do so, in the event, by the grace of God, that time might come.

(Whitley Strieber)
how many trillions of dollars will it take 13.Jul.2005 20:03

to keep us SAFE from our BIG SCARY WORLD

> This seems inevitable because the steps necessary to prevent it have not been taken, and perhaps cannot be taken.

Hmmm ... are they real worried about nuclear terrorism in Finland? In Rumania? The only step necessary to prevent this sort of thing is for America to withdraw its troops and its war machines back to its own territory, where they belong, and to sell off its capital assets in foreign countries, which Americans have no business owning in the first place.

aliens probed my behind 13.Jul.2005 20:26

and told me it was osama's fault

Hmmmm ... the "extreme left" (that's US, people) are Nazi sympathizers because we're not "Zionists"? We promote the "Protocols of the Elders of Zion"? JFK was a dove on Vietnam and Cuba? Osama bin Laden not only -- from some cave in Afghanistan -- arranged the hijacking of four commercial aircraft and a missile strike on the only unoccupied wing of the Pentagon but also planted the charges that brought the WTC down?

Uh, nice try Whitley, but maybe you'd better stick to the UFO stuff. You're still making beginners' mistakes as a terrestrial conspiracy researcher.

add to this article by Whitley is this one by Paul Joseph Watson 13.Jul.2005 20:55


A Warning To The World

Paul Joseph Watson & Alex Jones/Prison Planet | July 12 2005

The London bombings are a clear indication that the Globalists have not changed tactics and are getting ever more desperate to advance an agenda based on a simple time tested manipulation of fear.

It is now time for all governments who still operate outside of the control of the Globalists to come forward and join humanity in unveiling the real terrorists who are attempting to deform the world into a prison planet.

The message is clear, if you do not surrender all national sovereignty and control to the new world order, you will be targeted for elimination. They are coming for you. Sitting back and hoping it never comes to fruition is merely delaying the inevitable. The only hope your country and its future generations have will be protected by you standing up in unified opposition to the Globalists and helping to expose their state terror paradigm.

It is better to die on your feet than live on your knees.

This is a beacon call to all government officials in every sector of the command structure. You will be the first ones to be fed into the meat grinder when the bell tolls. They have no compassion, no loyalty towards you. You are safer out here in the light with the rest of us than skulking around in the dark continually seeking justification for your ignorance and obliviousness.

Look at our whistleblowers page and read about the brave individuals who have already stepped forward.

Throughout history governments have used terrorism against their own people and created paper tiger enemies as a means of obtaining and retaining the trust of the masses in the process of gradually enslaving them.

The Anglo-American establishment that controls the military-industrial complex of the West has been caught over a hundred times carrying out bombings and other terrorist attacks around the world to further their corporate aims and to blame their enemies.

The US government has been caught planning to carry out attacks and carrying out attacks. The British government has been caught red-handed as well. Members of Vladimir Putin's FSB were caught planting bombs in a Russian apartment building in 1999 by the Moscow police.

This is not speculation. Kermit Roosevelt admited on NPR radio that in 1953 the CIA and British intelligence carried out a wave of bombings and shootings in Iran. He then went on to brag about how they subsequently blamed the bombings on Iran's President, Mossadegh. Do you understand, these people brag about what they do 40 years later.

In any crime you look at history and motive, The British government has been caught in multiple examples of carrying out bombings in London which were then blamed on the IRA. They even had one of their own MI5 agents wihin the Omagh bomb squad. Click here for an archive of this evidence.

In what was called 'the strategy of tension,' Operation Gladio, a CIA/MI6 controlled state terror program swept Europe over three decades.

In sworn testimomy, a Gladio agent, Vincenzo Vinciguerra, made the following comment.

"You had to attack civilians, the people, women, children, innocent people, unknown people far removed from any political game. The reason was quite simple: to force ... the public to turn to the state to ask for greater security."

And we ask the question, isn't it convenient for the kingpins of the war on terror that none of the terror attacks ever harm the establishment they are supposedly aimed at?

Pentagon document Field Manual FM 30-31B openly discusses launching terrorist attacks in nations that "do not react with sufficient effectiveness" to the geopolitical demands of the Globalists.

How many of the family members of the London subway bombing victims are aware of the fact that in a 2000 investigation the Italian Senate concluded that the 1980 Bologna train bombing that killed 85 people was carried out by "men inside Italian state institutions and ... men linked to the structures of United States intelligence."?

Gladio was continued by way of Central American death squads and that policy is being ressurected today in Iraq.

The right wing extremist groups are still controlled by the state to this day. A 2003 court case embarassed the German government when it was discovered that one in seven Neo Nazis was a secret service agent, and in many cases had been for decades. The Neo-Nazis are controlled by the government and used as a means to restrict any form of alternative political speech.

There is no limit to which the Globalists will go in trying to tick off their objectives within their set time frame.

We are calling on all whistleblowers to reveal themselves now and stand with us in the corner of truth and the future of this species. These bastards are indiscriminate killers and witholding information only paints a bigger target on your forehead. Your words need to be heard.

We are at a threshold of awareness and enlightenment. Shortly after 9/11, to say the government was involved was made tantamount to insulting the dead victims. Now four years later in the wake of the London bombings a sizeable portion of the thinking world is saying the same thing, the only people to gain from this and the ones who have been caught doing it before are the government. The evidence already points to them too.

For those who still try to justify this and be reasonable about it by convincing themselves that "they would never do that," don't make the mistake of filtering the actions of your government through your own moral code.

Smarmy neo-liberals and neo-cons have been revelling in the aftermath of the bombings, claiming that the public need to understand the tyranny of dispersed terrorist groups and their true power. They criticize those that dare question the leaders that we supposedly chose to elect in the paranoid fallout of the attacks. Look at the truth of history. How many times have loose-knit organizations constructed tyranny in comparison to state governments?

This is a warning to the world. There is no more time for procrastination, choose your side. On an individual level anyone who isn't doing their part to expose these killers is just as responsible for the killing.

On a governmental level the challenge is here before you. Either scream from the rooftops about government orchestrated terrorism or sit back and watch your country become a victim of it as it is wrestled away from your hands and placed in the domain of a black and cancerous global dictatorship.

Re: Aliens... 14.Jul.2005 00:51


After your very clever and original title, you twice misinterpret (purposely?) what any fifth grader would understand is being said in the following paragraph........

"What happened on 911 is that a consortium involving the Bin Laden family and their friends in Texas engaged in an operation that was, to an extent, co-opted by the errant Bin Laden brother into a much more extensive attack than the rest of the conspirators had expected."

Your reply:
"and told me it was osama's fault"
"Osama bin Laden not only -- from some cave in Afghanistan -- arranged the hijacking of four commercial aircraft and a missile strike on the only unoccupied wing of the Pentagon but also planted the charges that brought the WTC down? "

Putting the author in the "UFO/Conspiracy researcher" box is an effective tool - Just look how much mileage the right is getting out of the "liberal" name calling - but you ultimately undermine your position by misrepresenting a single paragraph and carelessly dismissing the majority of the article, which is historical fact.

ooh 14.Jul.2005 03:55

now we play "who's the disinformation agent?"

Destruction of the World Trade Center, the buildings exploding one floor at a time and falling to the ground, was, by itself, the most disastrous event of 9/11/01. What was Bin Laden's "much more extensive attack," exactly? The most extensive attack was clearly an inside job. Blaming it on Bin Laden, or anybody else who didn't have the access and authority necessary to plant explosives on every floor, is promoting a substantial and misleading element of the official story. That's what I said, and it's still true, fifth graders or no fifth graders.

And Whitley Strieber is well known as a self-identified UFO abductee. It's by far his largest claim to fame. Don't blame me, he wrote the book.

some authors 14.Jul.2005 12:23

should just stay on Rense.com (no offense Jeff) - mouse

Some authors should just stay on Rense.com. Aliens may be real, but if they're the scary assholes WS describes, who the hell cares? His X-Files take on E.T. in general has always smacked of spooky Hollywood Science Fiction, if not pure disinfo designed to scare people away from the most classified subject in America. What a perfect vehicle to spread paranoia about the worst possible terror outcome, a nuclear blast in a city. Might as well pack up and move to Truk Island I guess. Whitley sez the Big One is coming. So did my 2nd grade teacher as I ducked and covered under my desk, but that great white flash never lit up the classroom. Funny how you never hear much about contactees who say that a lot of E.T.'s appear as human as you or me. No, according to Whitley S. they all have pointy ears, bug eyes, and a tendency to scare the living crap out of anyone unfortunate enough to attract their nefarious interest. So these bug characters are the rulers of the universe? Is God that bereft of imagination that the best he could come up with was cheesy-looking fifties Japanese movie martians? The fear surrounding the alien question is mostly generated by our own leaders so we're scared away from the subject altogether. From the 'Men in Black' to Ridley Scott's brain-sucking orbiting slime-fests, Aliens keep getting a bad press. WS should know that ET has actually temporarily disabled nuclear missle facilities in many different nations. All the world's military knows aliens have the capability to PREVENT WWIII if they wish to. I prefer to put more faith in that scenario, but then I'm just a cockeyed optimist.

When Bush looks bad, bad things happen. Like the London Bombings 14.Jul.2005 13:25

George W Bush International Terrorist

When Bush looks bad, be afraid. Mass Murderers who Kill Civilians by the Tens of Thousands in Iraq and Afganistan make no distinction between that and Killing Civilians in New York, London, Beruit, or Madrid.

yeah 14.Jul.2005 14:28

but radiation

is ALWAYS bad for Wall Street. Can't cash in for half a million years!

Aliens or no aliens 14.Jul.2005 14:44


I'm also skeptical of Striebers' past work, but I think his speculation here is astute.
I think the more the alarm is raised- the more that they know we are wary of such a specific distraction, the less likely they'd be to use that particular strategy because it would seem so obvious.
Though I'm biting my tongue because I hate to buy into their world of fear, I think Portland in particular should be guarded, considering that we are a well known bastion of leftist freethinkers. What better lesson for the rest of the country to see that the city who wouldn't co-operate with the patriot act ended up having a devastating event happen there? I know it's an unconscionable and repulsive thought, but so was the idea that our own gov't could somehow be involved w/ 911.