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The New New Pearl Harbor

The last time Bush had these bad of numbers was right before 9/11. Basic sequel rules for action flics,you need at least 2-3 times the explosions for a hit. This is the mentallity of the actual terrorists so everyone might want to start thinking of things to look out for. Start a list.
Published on Thursday, June 30, 2005 by the Zogby Poll
No Bounce: Bush Job Approval Unchanged by War Speech
Question on Impeachment Shows Polarization of Nation
Americans Tired of Divisiveness in Congress—Want Bi-Partisan Solutions—New Zogby Poll

President Bush's televised address to the nation produced no noticeable bounce in his approval numbers, with his job approval rating slipping a point from a week ago, to 43%, in the latest Zogby International poll. And, in a sign of continuing polarization, more than two-in-five voters (42%) say they would favor impeachment proceedings if it is found the President misled the nation about his reasons for going to war with Iraq.

The Zogby America survey of 905 likely voters, conducted from June 27 through 29, 2005, has a margin of error of +/-3.3 percentage points.

Just one week ago, President Bush's job approval stood at a previous low of 44%—but it has now slipped another point to 43%, despite a speech to the nation intended to build support for the Administration and the ongoing Iraq War effort. The Zogby America survey includes calls made both before and after the President's address, and the results show no discernible "bump" in his job approval, with voter approval of his job performance at 45% in the final day of polling.

Where voters live has some impact on their perceptions. The President's job rating remains relatively strong in the South, with 51% rating his performance favorably; in all other regions, those disapproving his performance are in the majority.

In a more significant sign of the weakness of the President's numbers, more "Red State" voters—that is, voters living in the states that cast their ballots for the Bush-Cheney ticket in 2004—now rate his job performance unfavorably, with 50% holding a negative impression of the President's handling of his duties, and 48% holding a favorable view. The President also gets negative marks from one-in-four (25%) Republicans—as well as 86% of Democrats and 58% of independents. (Bush nets favorable marks from 75% of Republicans, 13% of Democrats and 40% of independents.)

Impeachment Question Shows Bitterness of Divide

In a sign of the continuing partisan division of the nation, more than two-in-five (42%) voters say that, if it is found that President Bush did not tell the truth about his reasons for going to war with Iraq, Congress should hold him accountable through impeachment. While half (50%) of respondents do not hold this view, supporters of impeachment outweigh opponents in some parts of the country.

Among those living in the Western states, a 52% majority favors Congress using the impeachment mechanism while just 41% are opposed; in Eastern states, 49% are in favor and 45% opposed. In the South, meanwhile, impeachment is opposed by three-in-five voters (60%) and supported by just one-in-three (34%); in the Central/Great Lakes region, 52% are opposed and 38% in favor.

Impeachment is overwhelmingly rejected in the Red States—just 36% say they agree Congress should use it if the President is found to have lied on Iraq, while 55% reject this view; in the "Blue States" that voted for Massachusetts Democrat John Kerry in 2004, meanwhile, a plurality of 48% favors such proceedings while 45% are opposed.

A large majority of Democrats (59%) say they agree that the President should be impeached if he lied about Iraq, while just three-in-ten (30%) disagree. Among President Bush's fellow Republicans, a full one-in-four (25%) indicate they would favor impeaching the President under these circumstances, while seven-in-ten (70%) do not. Independents are more closely divided, with 43% favoring impeachment and 49% opposed.

Americans Tiring of Partisan Division on Capital Hill

The same survey finds that a 55% majority of voters believe the two parties are too focused on their respective bases, and as a result, compromise—and results—have become impossible in Washington. Just 36% in the poll rejected that notion, saying the parties' organization provides as broad a base as possible, and that compromise is occurring.

A follow-up question found that seven-in-ten (70%) voters believe the parties should be broad-based, and should pursue compromise—while less than one-in-four (23%) favored putting base issues first, even if it means nothing is accomplished.

These views are held by members of both major political parties, as well as independents, although Republicans, whose party controls both houses of Congress, are more likely to favor the parties focusing on the desires of their base than are Democrats and independents, with 31% of Republicans favoring this approach—more than the 20% of Democrats and 17% of independents who hold that view.

Pollster John Zogby: "The nation continues to be split down the middle but there appears to be a deep and growing concern about how polarized we are. The President tried to address the situation on the ground in Iraq and hoped to allay the fears of the nation. It looks like that did not happen. Meanwhile, opposition to the war reveals that Americans are just as hostile and intense as they were the day after the 2004 election. The message seems to be pretty clear for Mr. Bush: lay off the partisan rhetoric and work to find compromise solutions."

Zogby International conducted interviews of 905 likely voters chosen at random nationwide. All calls were made from Zogby International headquarters in Utica, N.Y., from June 27 to 29, 2005. The margin of error is +/- 3.3 percentage points. Slight weights were added to region, party, age, race, religion, and gender to more accurately reflect the voting population. Margins of error are higher in sub-groups.


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I think not. . . 03.Jul.2005 23:32

Steve Ongerth

I think--at this point--if the Bush cabal tried another 9/11 (And I DO believe they are responsible for the first) it would make them look WORSE. It would be seen as evidence that they are "losing" the "war on terror".

Mmm Hmm 04.Jul.2005 00:53


I know. I refuse to buy into their world of fear and destruction, but as the focus turns on the REAL evil doers, I can't help but be afraid that they'll lash out in desperation to distract us.....with no michael jacksonesque parade-of-the-moment, it could be anything, anytime now.....
Funny that they've pushed so hard trying to make me afraid of outsiders, but it's the closest insiders I'm worried about.
Think good thoughts...think good thoughts....think good thoughts.....

And a couple seconds later, you wont care anymore. 04.Jul.2005 05:57

Reverend X Reverend_x@blastedreality.net

Sorry, I wasn't thinking of it that way. I meant a list, extrapolated OKC and WTC patterns, timeline events MO... etc. I think we have a better chance of catching Neocon Agents strapping c-4 to the silver globe thingy at Epcot than we do of convincing Kurt Busch Fans that Stealth Bomber flyovers of race tracks are wasteful. Duct tape and saran wrap the furthest thing from my mind. I will not fear. Fear is the mind killer. The little Death. etc. and I dont really have the attention span for it. ADD has it's good points... which is how I got this far off topic already. Oh yeah, Face it, everyone of us will die within the next century. A huge percentage of us will waste away in chronic pain. I've never worried about death. A couple of seconds after you die, You wont care anymore.I'm gonna start the list on my site.. I prefer the color scheme there. It'll be linked at the bottom. think of it like this.
1) unnecessary yet official orders to close sections of building f0r SECURITY,
2) ETC

but they don't care 04.Jul.2005 06:00


They don't care about what polls say. They never have...God tells Bush what to do. That is all his followers need to know. There are not enough people with backbones in Congress to push an impeachment through. They are too chicken to set up a vote about it to prove a point for later war crime trials too.

... 04.Jul.2005 07:39

this thing here

given the bush admin.'s desperation, and given their M.O., which is to generate a massive amount of political capital (an excuse) through an orchestrated event, i think that it's a realistic concern to be worried about what they might do.

i'm thinking that an orchestrated event on as large a scale as 9-11 isn't neccessary, because it might very well backfire on them. so perhaps a smaller event, but one with key timing.

in my opinion, i think the draft is a real possibility, as well an open war with iran. but without a good excuse for starting another war or starting the draft again, especially ones that sounds like "we're losing, we need more boots on the ground", or "we want to do another war in iran too", doing so is going to be a very very very difficult and controversial move. so, they need an excuse for starting the war and the draft, they need a reason.

what better excuse than an orcestrated "terrorist attack" coming right during some national period of debate about restarting the draft, perhaps blamed on some iranian "terrorist" group, to stoke that fear once again.

to the people who have caught on to it, the bush admin. M.O. is totally obvious. but that's not going to stop them. if they are desperate enough, and they are, and they think they can fool close to half the people of this country, they'll do it. they don't care if they don't convince 100% of us. that's not important. they only need to scare a little more than half of us, for a certain period of time, at just the right moment, to get what they want. this is why we all need to be vigilant...

use your own powers 04.Jul.2005 07:50

someone somewhere

"Fear leads to anger. Anger leads to hate. Hate leads to suffering...Fear is the path to the dark side."

Light your heart's light and you will get the guidance to do and say the right things at the right time. In times of doubt pray sincere thanks for guidance and it will be provided.

Watch out 04.Jul.2005 08:42


I, too, have this premonition feeling that something incredibly dirty is about to happen. No, I don't think it's the "Deep Impact" comet contrary to a few omens, but it could be another event designed to bring about fear. But this time it would be a lot harder to get the same kind of mass hysteria he was able to exploit the first time (you can't always get fooled again, at least not everyone who fell the first time will) since there's already such a big anti-Bush sentiment about the first war, about the way he handled 9/11, etc.

But honestly I'm more half-shaking with fear, half this warm heroic feeling that maybe "our time will finally come." Fear and heroic joy about the Second Great Depression which could happen anytime now. A housing bubble, rising interest rates, crushing private and public debt, falling wages, the list continues...Everything looks to be in almost perfect setup for this to happen, and very soon I might add. In that scenario there would be a lot of chaos, protest and definitely a fertile breeding ground for radical movements once people really start getting thrown out into the streets, totally lose their businesses to corporations, see the prisons overflowing with their friends. We need to be ready for this and make the most of it.

And if the US goes into a deep recession it would drag down the economies of Europe, Asia and the 'developing' world too. Many European countries already have high unemployment rates, a heavily disenfranchised youth, and deep deficits so if they get shocked it will cause some real pain. And you know how they can react, right? The Communist and Neonazi parties both have seen a dramatic increase in parts of eastern Germany. France, which recently rejected the EU largely on economic grounds, would probably end up in a revolutionary state first. Though Italy also has a strong history of resistance; it will be interesting to check out what happens there. Eastern Europe is also a place to keep an eye on if you like this kind of stuff. Then of course there is Latin America; workers are seizing control of factories in Argentina now, and any more signs that capitalism has broken its promises would solidify support for Chavez, not someone like Bush or Vicente Fox.

Who knows what the next curve ball is going to be? I just know there will be another one, saying when is in another world.

Reasons for Hope 04.Jul.2005 10:16


The good news is that the cabal behind the Neocon cabal is growing increasingly dismayed with Bush, Cheney, etc. Prominent members of the Council on Foreign Relations, Trilateral Commission, etc., are losing patience with Bush and would like to see him gone before he totally destroys Western control of the Middle East. He's no longer just a threat to oil stability and corporate interests, he's also a threat to the New World Order itself.

I've always felt that Bush Sr., James Baker, and his circle have their own Hitleresque ambitions that run contrary to David Rockefeller's Mussolini-like dreams of fascism. I think there is serious infighting among elites right now.

yuck 04.Jul.2005 11:20


let's not compare the communist and neo-nazi groups; that's like comparing Bush to Christ.

Know what ya mean... wha? 05.Jul.2005 07:34

Reverend X Reverend_x@blastedreality.net

Yeah seph, I too was waitin for the bell to ring, therre are a lot of us who've been patiently awaiting "Our/My fight". But then I went and screwed up my plan.. I spawned/bred/reproduced my genetics. Funny how quickly the mind shifts. Now I gotta stop a war, save the environment, protect my kids from future drafts, world hatred and retribution and f'n Disney! Course, some have called me a wee bit obsessive. But I dig what your sayin. oh yeah,
Rosa... Wha? Communism and fascism are precisely the same style of government in practice. Only in delusional theory and utopian writings do the appear opposite. the wings of the Political Spectrum flow in a circle not a line.
Thought I'd point that out.
I keep hearing about Right Wing factioning and fracturing, but I don't see it yet. I think we might be makin more of a few things than we should. I am fairly certain the core planners saw a 2nd term slowdown. It happens to all 2 term Presidents. Clinton was able to keep the attention off his with the impeachment victim bit. Reagen went senile during his. One terms all Jelly Beans, the next you got fruit loops. The only issue I am really not worried about is Social Security. 2 months ago Greenspan shot it down, quietly, in a statement calling it "stable", and Bush's plan "Flawed". That was it for that. If you think I'm crazy, just wait. You'll get to see where a lot of this countries power rests. And the Treasury Dept never grandstands or schedules photo ops in churches. "They all seek power, f*** the fame" Ice-T

Man, went way off topic there..

"IF" he lied? 07.Jul.2005 04:05


What do they mean by "IF he lied about Iraq"? IF - As if it was some hypothetical question. He DID lie! The evidence is out there. There are no f***ing if's! The only IF there is, is whether the media will ever report the truth that's already been proven.

Iran did it 07.Jul.2005 12:44

Catalina Eddie

God told me. Actually he told GW, but the filling in my left molar is on the same frequency and I heard it.