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Official death count of soldiers is closer to 9000 than it is to 1400

Nearly 9,000 U.S. troops dead? A NATIONWIDE CALL FOR INFO FROM SURVIVORS.Author
peaceseeker
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29 Jun 2005
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Has the Bush administration drastically understated the U.S. military death count by redefining "death"? The following article suggests that it has, and it calls for a nationwide campaign to honor deceased service members by naming and counting them.
According to the article: "...DoD lists currently being very quietly circulated indicate almost 9,000 [U.S. military] dead"; this far exceeds the "official" death count of 1,831. How can this be? It's largely because "U.S. Military Personnel who died in German hospitals or en route to German hospitals have not previously been counted."
Nearly 9,000 U.S. troops dead? A NATIONWIDE CALL FOR INFO FROM SURVIVORS.Author
peaceseeker
Date Created
29 Jun 2005
Date Edited
29 Jun 2005 09:37:33 PM
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Current rating: 0
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This work is in the public domain
Has the Bush administration drastically understated the U.S. military death count by redefining "death"? The following article suggests that it has, and it calls for a nationwide campaign to honor deceased service members by naming and counting them.
According to the article: "...DoD lists currently being very quietly circulated indicate almost 9,000 [U.S. military] dead"; this far exceeds the "official" death count of 1,831. How can this be? It's largely because "U.S. Military Personnel who died in German hospitals or en route to German hospitals have not previously been counted."

In other words, "death" has been redefined.

WHAT YOU CAN DO RIGHT NOW:

1. If you know (or know of) service members who've died in Bush's wars, look for their names on the full, alphabetized "official" Pentagon death list, at  http://www.tbrnews.org/Archives/list.htm. IF THEIR NAMES ARE NOT INCLUDED, PLEASE SEND A REPORT TO: tbrnews (at) hotmail.com. You're also encouraged to notify your Congress members, your local newspaper, and other interested parties.

( Note that the alphabetized list is updated regularly at tbrnews.org. It currently includes deaths reported up through early June. )

2. FORWARD THIS WEB PAGE TO ANYONE YOU KNOW WHO MAY KNOW SERVICE MEMBERS WHO'VE DIED.

3. Forward this web page to veterans' groups, other organizations, responsible journalists and respectable elected officials.

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"The Bush Butcher's Bill: Officially, 80 US Military Deaths in Iraq from 1 through 21 May, 2005 - Official Total of 1,831 US Dead to date (and rising)"

( THE FOLLOWING TEXT IS FROM  http://www.tbrnews.org/Archives/a1682.htm )

U.S. Military Personnel who died in German hospitals or en route to German hospitals have not previously been counted. They total about 6,210 as of 1 January, 2005. The ongoing, underreporting of the dead in Iraq, is not accurate. The DoD is deliberately reducing the figures. A review of many foreign news sites show that actual deaths are far higher than the newly reduced ones. Iraqi civilian casualties are never reported but International Red Cross, Red Crescent and UN figures indicate that as of 1 January 2005, the numbers are just under 100,000.

by Brian Harring, Domestic Intelligence Reporter

Note: There is excellent reason to believe that the Department of Defense is deliberately not reporting a significant number of the dead in Iraq. We have received copies of manifests from the MATS that show far more bodies shipped into Dover AFP than are reported officially. The educated rumor is that the actual death toll is in excess of 7,000. Given the officially acknowledged number of over 15,000 seriously wounded, this elevated death toll is far more realistic than the current 1,400+ now being officially published. When our research is complete, and watertight, we will publish the results along with the sources In addition to the evident falsification of the death rolls, at least 5,500 American military personnel have deserted, most in Ireland but more have escaped to Canada and other European countries, none of whom are inclined to cooperate with vengeful American authorities. (See TBR News of 18 February for full coverage on the mass desertions) This means that of the 158,000 U.S. military shipped to Iraq, 26,000 either deserted, were killed or seriously wounded. The DoD lists currently being very quietly circulated indicate almost 9,000 dead, over 16,000 seriously wounded* (See note below. This figure is now over 24,000 Ed) and a large number of suicides, forced hospitalization for ongoing drug usage and sales, murder of Iraqi civilians and fellow soldiers , rapes, courts martial and so on -

I have a copy of the official DoD casualty list. I am alphabetizing it with the reported date of death following. TBR will post this list in sections and when this is circulated widely by veteran groups and other concerned sites, if people who do not see their loved one's names, are requested to inform their Congressman, their local paper, us and other concerned people as soon as possible.

The government gets away with these huge lies because they claim, falsely, that only soldiers actually killed on the ground in Iraq are reported. The dying and critically wounded are listed as en route to military hospitals outside of the country and not reported on the daily postings. Anyone who dies just as the transport takes off from the Baghdad airport is not listed and neither are those who die in the US military hospitals. Their families are certainly notified that their son, husband, brother or lover was dead and the bodies, or what is left of them (refrigeration is very bad in Iraq what with constant power outages) are shipped home, to Dover AFB. You ought to realize that President Bush personally ordered that no pictures be taken of the coffined and flag-draped dead under any circumstances. He claims that this is to comfort the bereaved relatives but is designed to keep the huge number of arriving bodies secret. Any civilian, or military personnel, taking pictures will be jailed at once and prosecuted.

...This listing program is finished so act accordingly. If there is an actual variance of, say, 10 names, that is acceptable. 50 would indicate sloppiness and anything over 100 a positive sign of lying. As of June 16, TBR has received 32 new, unlisted names

*The latest on the wounded: "Landstuhl Regional Medical Center in Germany, is a 150-bed hospital that's already seen over 24,000 wounded military patients from Iraq and Afghanistan since the commencement of hostilities ". Knight Ridder Newspapers June 6, 2005 (Note: The Pentagon refuses to publish accurate lists of any wounded. Ed)

LINK TO FULL, "OFFICIAL" ALPHABETICAL LIST:  http://www.tbrnews.org/Archives/list.htm
(The list is updated regularly.)
If true, this information would end the war now. 01.Jul.2005 10:29

xoxoxoxoxoxoxo

If this information is true, and thousands more US troops than the 1,800 or so currently being reported have died from action in Iraq, then there's the smoking gun.

There is the proof positive information needed to finally drum Bush and his fellow War Criminals outta office.

Forget the impeachment campaigns.
Forget the investigations into vote fraud allegations.
Forget the outcry over the torture and renditions.

Insipid, craven US public opinion only responds to one and only one thing as regards war, and that's the US body count. Period. Fortunately, the 1,800 figure has been enough to warrant serious and possibly terminal public impatience with the Bush war crimes in the Middle East. Witness Shrub's declining poll numbers and recent grotesque TV propaganda appearance.

If it can be shown that they've been underreporting the body bags by 2/3 or more, then it will all finally crumble away.

"But we never lied, we never misrepresented the numbers. They were always there for everyone to see. It's just the way the media reported those numbers. What, they couldn't add this column and that column?"

Rumsfeld will certainly say something to this effect when and if the truth ever comes out. I would expect that.

And ultimately, the US corporate media will have no one to blame but itself. For they have just gone along for this insane and purely political blood soaked ride.

We all need to fervently pray that someone in the corporate press does latch onto this issue, develops the needed courage, and exposes the aweful truth. Amerika only responds to what's on TV or the movies. That's it, and those media are controlled by the corporations.

So there doesn't appear to be much hope. But maybe someone, somewhere in some TV newsroom will decide to stake their career on this issue. And get it done.

I know, I know. Don't hold my breath.

The Media of Control 01.Jul.2005 11:15

Sheepdog

After being filtered through many levels ( unless someone sneaks into the teleprompter room) the truth cannot be alowed to come out.
Does anyone remember Pres. Carter having the sound cut off durring his post election address to the nation?

I hate to do this, but this is not rational 01.Jul.2005 14:12

So I am going to check the sources FOR you

First off, there are literally HUNDREDS of people involved in the process of recovering, cataloguing, shipping and notifying relatives of the fallen. If the death rate were anything like 5 times that reported, the secret would be out, and corroborated by many more than one lonely reporter. So, I guess I ought to look this one over.

Try a google search and you will find that this unfortunate piece of tripe may have been bandied about the world in several other publications, but this Herring person is the source for every one of them, and TBR News is... well read it here:

 http://www.tbrnews.org/aboutus.htm

According to the above link, this article was written by a guy calling himself William Storch. Yes, that's right, on the page linked above the author says straight out that content with other names on it is usually writen by him using another name.

Look, folks, I am very very against the Bushite agenda and I would love to get more evidence to hang him on, but let's none of us get so rabid as to ignore the process of verification, no matter how choice the info would look in an indictment.

Tell you the truth, I am GLAD this is not a real, verifiable story. If it were, 7000 more of our troops would be dead, and we would STILL be in that horrible hell hole Bushco have created in Middle East Asia with nothing to show for it.

Keep up the good fight folks. There's enough evidence against that madman and his crew to hang them all Nuremburg style already. Soon enough, the people will have the NeoCon Cabal's inhuman necks stretched and we can go about the arduous, generations long task of redressing the terrible crimes committed in our names....a task I will die content to see well begun.

Remember Vietnam? 01.Jul.2005 17:08

body counts were consisitently under reported

Why should this war be any different? bush lied to get us into Iraq, he (and his minions) will lie to keep us in.
The source of this particular report may be a nut and not to be trusted, but that doesn't prove that the notion of a (fictional) low number isn't true.

Rational??? 01.Jul.2005 17:48

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Mr. Rational above wrote:

"According to the above link, this article was written by a guy calling himself William Storch. Yes, that's right, on the page linked above the author says straight out that content with other names on it is usually writen by him using another name."


Um... I followed the link and it says no such thing. It does say this:


"I run this site all by myself with a little help from various friends, both inside and outside of the Beltway.

The articles not otherwise credited are usually written by myself although I do not take credit for them. The articles speak for themselves and I do not believe in beating my own drum as so many other journalists seem to enjoy doing. The message is always important; not so the messenger."

Thanks for the correction. 01.Jul.2005 22:07

"Mr Rational"

My bad man. I really did misread that, and your correction is appreciated.

This is, however, not doing anything to shore up the credibility of Mr Herring- oops I mean Harring's -story.