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David Ray Griffin Interview
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ausome! 02.Jun.2005 08:40

dz

ausome ausome ausome, i had heard this was on the way, thanks for the scans and the heads up!


9/11blogger is a bogus site 02.Jun.2005 11:05

researcher

Yes it's a big deal about Griffin, but the 9/11blogger site wants you to view Griffin ONLY THROUGH HIS SITE so he can push disinfo at you (like no-commercial-jets at the WTC, missiles at the Pentagon, letsroll911, swapped planes, etc) via crappy DVDs that are not promoted by ANY legitimate 9/11 organization.

David Ray Griffin should not be used to traffic bogus information.

researcher? 02.Jun.2005 11:23

me3

nice name change. Better than 'Repost'. You have more names than Beezelbub! Here's the best news all month about the 911 movement and all you can do is regurgitate your usual negativity. Like you're some pro on military technology. You're our own Debbie Downer! On the bright side, about a third of military personnel probably whack the monkey to Hustler. Not to mention Cops, firemen, politicians, and a host of horny Homeland Security operatives. Flynt may be an ugly little pervert but he's shaken up the political world many times before and is not afraid of anything or anyone. I can hear Rummy now: "What a revoltin' development this is!"

trolls of many names, smell just as bad; thanks for post 02.Jun.2005 12:41

me4!

"like no-commercial-jets at the WTC, missiles at the Pentagon, letsroll911, swapped planes, etc"

Why? That's exactly what occurred.

Tell me troll, do you only get fired if Bush goes to jail, or as accessory to mass murder and an obstructor to justice, can we put you in jail as well? The best FOIA inquiry would be to get the real names off all the FBI and CIA drones who populate the media and blogs.

and haha! to me3: good pounce!

and thanks for the original post. If magazines like Hustler can get this story out, does that make an obfuscatory Wash Post lower than a porno mag journalistically speaking? ;-)

Unfortunate 02.Jun.2005 14:49

facts

It's unfortunate that Griffin chose to lead with the no-plane-at-the-pentagon issue - this divisive topic will likely turn off a lot of readers and is used almost constantly to smear the 9/11 movement.

The Pentagon No-757-Crash Theory: Booby Trap for 9/11 Skeptics
by Jim Hoffman
first published: October 7, 2004
revised: November 15, 2004

excerpt:

As I show in this essay, many common errors in no-757-crash theories are easily exposed. Most of the no-757-crash arguments evaporate when scrutinized with attention to empirical data about the behavior of airframes in high-speed crashes, and the geometry of the Pentagon crash scene and vantage points of post-crash photographs. The remaining arguments are easily disposed of by assuming the crash was engineered, consistent with the presumed motives of the perpetrators to discredit the skeptics. Conversely, the abundant eyewitness accounts provide strong evidence for the crash of a 757 or similar aircraft.

In recent high-profile attacks on the work of 9/11 skeptics, defenders of the official story have consistently focused on the no-757-crash theory as indicative of the gullibility and incompetence of the 9/11 "conspiracy theorists." Researchers including myself have contributed to this vulnerability by endorsing this theory without either weighing all the available evidence (such as the eyewitness accounts) or considering less obvious interpretations for the paucity of physical evidence of a 757 crash. The Pentagon crash is an intriguing area of research because of its many unresolved mysteries. The promotion of theories about what hit the Pentagon in highly visible media do not advance that research but instead provide our detractors with ammunition with which to discredit us, and eclipse easily established and highly incriminating facts such as where the Pentagon was hit, the astounding failures to defend the 9/11 targets, and the obvious controlled demolition of Building 7.
 http://911research.wtc7.net/essays/pentagontrap.html

troll above me 02.Jun.2005 15:31

good citizen

say troll; (post directly above) check out "911 Special Effects Pure Hollywood" story today. You lowlife troll!

You guys aren't really buying this mag for the story 02.Jun.2005 15:55

I mean, come on...

You'd rather spank the monkey over that photo of the topless woman who got her head dunked in the toilet. That's Larry Flynt's version of erotica? And journalism?

Troll Shit!!! 02.Jun.2005 18:03

Anarchy-nonymous

I've read both of Griffin's books, The New Pearl Harbor and 9-11 Commission Omissions and Distortions, and Griffin is academic and objective throughout. In The New Pearl Harbor, Griffin assimilates only the assertions of critics that can be supported with strong references, many of which are published interviews with prominent neo-conservatives, to present a documentation of evidence that supports the conclusion that 9-11 could not have happened without some complicity by some members of the government. The extent to which that evidence implicates high ranking members of the Bush Administration fades the closer you get to the Oval Office itself, but it does prove to the standard that OJ got acquited that there was at the very least stonewalling of several investigations in the FBI that could have prevented 9-11.

In ...Omissions and Distortions the author presents, as the title suggests, all of the information (much of which is cited in The New Pearl Harbor) that was intentionally (or with gross negligence) not included by the Keane Commission. The Keane-Zelikow Commission, he notes in the first chapter, was hardly an independent party to lead the investigation. Both Keane and Zelikow, in fact, had long standing ties to the neoconservative leadership of the Republican Party and the Bush Admin itself. This fact alone is one of the venerable Sonoma State University's Project Censored's top uncovered stories in US media. The second section of the book addresses distortions of facts, versus the documented evidence that exists regarding some of the greater mysteries of 9-11 like the 1200% increase in put options purchases in the days prior to 9-11. Almost comically, the Keane-Zelikow Commission found that there was nothing unusual with the speculation occuring in the markets that day.

I strongly recommend that all Americans who care about democracy and the future of their children and humanity as a whole read The New Pearl Harbor and ...Omissions and Distortions. It's fast and satisfying reading. Don't listen to trolls, make up your own mind.

sex, love, and laughter is freedom in a repressive society 02.Jun.2005 21:10

pun-ographer

hey troll! keep changing the subject all you want. hee hee

back to 911:

Flint and pornography in general in the U.S.--given the total fascist mind control peer pressure system they have almost perfected in the USA--porn has historically been a route of truth telling, as sad a statement that is on the true boobs reading cuecards (pun intended!) on the nightly news...

for instance, Flint has helped out before with a bit of truth on Bush hypocracy.

Title: Bush 'Paid For Abortion' Says Pornographer Larry Flynt
Author: mkultrawatch
Date: 2004.02.19 09:45
Description: Larry Flint (and of course Bush family and many others in Canada and Mexico, Saudi Arabia, and Haiti) is connected to the MK ULTRA networks in Kathy O'Brien's autobiography about her victimization in the CIA/DIA's program.
 http://portland.indymedia.org/en/2004/02/280816.shtml

If some Republican buys his magazines and reads them in the bathroom and gets a true picture of the naked Bush (pun intended!), I think that's great. The Emperor really has no clothes. (pun intended!) 911 is a lie. Bush is using 911 as his fig leaf (pun intended!).

I think its great that ANY U.S. media has the balls to take this story on. (another pun, intended! quick stop me before I pun again!)

porn mags only an honest place to talk about Bush family crimes 02.Jun.2005 21:38

pun-ographer

Because the Bush family is a PORNOCRACY.

What with Bohemian Grove --- The Franklin Cover-up --- snuff filming drug dealing Satanists --- Bush Junior was suspect #1 for a mass murder slaying (and mass skinning of the victims) in the mid 1980s, in a Brownsville, TX, kill-cult investigation; Bush Junior investigated for six months until his daddy VP called off the dogs and let his son go free --- Jeff Gannon's sleepovers in the Bush Junior White House, particularly on Christmas and New Year's Eve/Day --- Bush's paying for illegal abortions for his female sex friends --- Bush killing off other females who say they were raped by George when they dared to file formal charges against George --- midnight tours of the White House in 1989 for young male call boys for his old dad, George H. W. Bush and his minions --- let's remember that it was a Black American named Larry King who was part of the whole Franklin Cover-up, and that King was simultaneously making snuff films, auctioning young children for sex at DC parties, delivering children for sex and death at Bohemian Grove, and running a national drug muling organization--at the same time King was singing the Star Spangled Banner for George H. W. Bush at his 1988 Republican Nominating Convention. --- his daughter Jenna Bush stripping out of her panties on a public beach to change into a bathing suit --- all the devil signs they throw at the public whether both their dauters, his wife, or Bush Junior himself --- porn star Mary Carey (ran for Governor of California) dining in the Bush White House and with Bush and Rove in the middle of June because her producer is a bigwig porn producer who gave lots of money to the Republican Party

I can't think of a better place to talk about the Bush family than a porn magazine.

and it's much deeper than you imagine:

Title: VIDEO:GRIGGS whistleblower,homosexuality as U.S. state blackmail in drug running/terrorism
Author: spread widely
Date: 2005.03.28 03:50
Description: keeping in mind the whole Gosch/Gannon issue, this fits right into it, lock and key. You want to know a major "administrative" network running the world? And in terrorism operations in the West, from behind the scenes: everything from drug running, organized crime, pedophilia, The Franklin Cover Up, Gannon/Gosch, war profiterring in munitions corporations, compromised whole General Staff of the U.S. military, state terrorism operations, fake wars, homosexual/heterosexual 'hazing' rituals for later blackmailing purposes in the miltiary and in the intelligence services, Zionists of NYC, German Nazis, the Nazi Krupp corporate state family, Eisenhower, Bohemian Grove, psychological 'ruining' effects of such 'hazings,' sponsored lower economic class boys who are 'turned' to be willing lackeys to a power structure that is bisexual, parasitial, and operating as a dual informal power structure across all networks of formal power. She says, it's called "The Joint".
 http://portland.indymedia.org/en/2005/03/314409.shtml

A porn mag spreading the truth (no pun intended this time) on Bush crimes is only appropriate, given the crudity and visciouness of this human scum family in the White House.

Hey! Who has the picture of his daughter Jenna Bush stripping out of her panties on a public beach to change into a bathing suit? The Bush family deserves nothing better than to be exposed in a porn mag. (damn it, a pun totally accidentally!)

GEORGE BUSH AND HIS WHOLE FAMILY IS PORNOGRAPHY.
"Cheney, is that an oil well or are you just glad to see me?"
When they aren't screwing each other, they're screwing the whole country
When they aren't screwing each other, they're screwing the whole country
"Mr. President, thanks for the times a male whore like me slept in your house."

SAFE 02.Jun.2005 22:58

mr. paranoid

I guess if they haven't come to get you yet, the rest of us must be sorta safe for now. If you know what I mean.

transcript of article 03.Jun.2005 02:14

researcher


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Griffin video, audio, book 03.Jun.2005 14:26

more

[1] David Ray Griffin's "New Pearl Harbor", full text online:
 http://vancouver.indymedia.org/news/2004/06/141355.php

[2] [FROM APRIL 2005] David Ray Griffin's talk at the University of Wisconsin-Madison: "9-11 and the American Empire: How Should Religious People Respond?"
VIDEO:  http://www.911blogger.com/2005/04/proper-release-of-griffin-in-madison.html (81 min., 25 MB, .wmv version)
VIDEO:  http://www.911blogger.com/2005/04/proper-release-of-griffin-in-madison.html (81 min., 150 MB, DivX version)

[3] [FROM APRIL 2005] David Ray Griffin's talk at the University of Wisconsin-Madison: "9-11 and the American Empire: How Should Religious People Respond?"
AUDIO:  http://www.yourbbsucks.com/davidraygriffin_cspan.mp3 [33.5 MB]

[4] FROM APRIL 2005] David Ray Griffin's talk at the University of Wisconsin-Madison: "9-11 and the American Empire: How Should Religious People Respond?"
STREAMING AUDIO:  http://homepage.mac.com/duffyb/nobush/iMovieTheater306.html (81 min.)

[5] [FROM 2004] David Ray Griffin's talk on his book "911 Commission: Ommissions and Distortions" (QuickTime movie, 1 hour, 47.5 MB):
VIDEO:  http://movies12.archive.org/0/movies/drgriffin/drgriffinon911commission.mov

Bush is.....(porn)LORD!! 03.Jun.2005 14:47

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9/11blogger is a bogus site feeding off Griffin like a parasite 03.Jun.2005 15:21

researcher

The 9/11blogger site has discovered it can act as Griffin's personal parasite by promoting his work through its maze of disinfo (like no-commercial-jets at the WTC, missiles at the Pentagon, letsroll911, swapped planes, etc) via crappy DVDs that are not promoted by ANY legitimate 9/11 organization.

David Ray Griffin should not be used to traffic bogus information.

Tsunami Time !!! 03.Jun.2005 15:55

Mike

Hey forget any skeptism, now is a golden oportunity for us to support and pressure Flint to polish up his "War Chariot" and deliver a Tsunami death blow to the N.W.O. The 911 article is just the earthquake, a bunch of people world wide will be purchasing a copy, this monetary fuel should be utilized for Flint to let his loose cannon deliver a huge salvo, prime time on your local-global tv.Every month a new article on 911 and call for a real investigation.Some 911 girls! It is an opportunity, rare one, to gain a lot of attention.If what my image of Mr Flint being true, polical correctness is null.

Flint is cool 03.Jun.2005 19:10

Anarchy-nonymous

On the subject of Porn...

There should be nothing immoral, assuming a free market society, about a woman selling her image to those who find it appealing.

The argument of conservatives often comes back to the fact that many women are forced by economic necessity to sell images of themselves to those who find it appealing for economic gain.

LOGIC TIME!!!

If the capitalist system provided ample opportunity to earn a comparable living without selling images of oneself to those who find it appealing, would there be any supply of such images? Keyens, Friedman, Smith, etc, would say "no!"

So the very existence of the sex trade itself is NOT the result of immorality in spite of "morality," but the realization of "rational" people behaving in a "utility maximizing" form of behavior.

This is truly a paradox of conservative rhetoric in America, because for a party that espouses the virtues of supply side economics, such philosophy is immediately disowned when it comes to any and all sex trade (except perhaps for the slimey politicians who have been "Flinted").

alex jones 03.Jun.2005 20:34

tronkon

hey the article looks promising but hustler should be talking to alex jones he predicted that 911 would happen and that the government would blame it on osb

 http://www.prisonplanet.tv/articles/august2004/082604alexwarned.htm


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Readers of Hustler 03.Jun.2005 22:43

Roaman

I'm a little concerned that there won't be enough Republicans that actually read Hustler since so many of them prefer Playgirl. The number of secretly gay GOP members is mind-boggling.

why all the hate? 03.Jun.2005 23:20

dz

why is it that everytime anyone references 911blogger.com that this mystery man jumps out of the closet to attack it? here is what was just said about 911blogger.com: by promoting his work through its maze of disinfo (like no-commercial-jets at the WTC, missiles at the Pentagon, letsroll911, swapped planes, etc) via crappy DVDs that are not promoted by ANY legitimate 9/11 organization. you would be hard pressed to find anything this guy is claiming on 911blogger.com.. there are no links to letsroll911, there are no posts on the 'pod', all there is is a section with 9/11 related videos which includes reopen911.org's DVD and 'loose change'.. and for that reason (as i understand it) this user finds it necessary to hunt down any reference to my site and bash it, never offering any alternative sites, and never trying to contact me or have a real discussion.. here is just a quick sampling of a search of '911blogger' and 'bogus' in which this person has attacked my site: http://faketerror.blogspot.com/2005/06/hustler-interviews-griffin-what-if.html http://www.indybay.org/news/2005/05/1736563.php http://mke.indymedia.org/en/2005/04/203225.shtml http://houston.indymedia.org/news/2005/05/39757_comment.php http://portland.indymedia.org/en/2005/05/316986.shtml i am a real person, who is devoting alot of time and money to trying to help all i can.. why is it that from day one i am attacked for my efforts by this person? i have received alot of support from alot of people involved in '9/11 truth', both in suggestions, and helpful comments, and by submitting news and supportive words.. but this guy is going out of his way to bash bash bash, and its just getting rediculous really. as for his comments about me trying to capitalize off of griffin.. i have done my best to cover griffin's work.. i find him to be a great opportunity for 9/11 to reach the mainstream.. as such i have done everything i can to cover him, including hosting his CSPAN appearance before it aired on CSPAN (i bought it from a local TV station crew which recorded it as well).. because the readers of my site want to help spread the word of griffin they often reference my articles, and are often followed up by this attacker.. i am trying my best here to spread information to anyone and everyone i can, as are ALOT of people out there (including alot of good people here), whereas this guy is trying HIS best to attack my site anywhere and everywhere he can, and it just doesn't fit.. if anyone has questions, or helpful comments, or anything i am easily accessable, but just attack attack attack anywhere and everywhere does noone any good. this person should spend his time attacking the sites out there that suppress other sites, and support extremist theories, not my site which links to every major 9/11 site i know of (including oilempire.us which i beleive this guy runs), and does its best to cover all the 9/11 related news without enforcing personal opinions. i hope we can get over this bickering sooner or later and focus on the good news and spreading the word.. spending our time on that sort of thing is alot better use of time than these types of attacks.

why all the hate? 03.Jun.2005 23:36

dz dz@911blogger.com

bah, my formatting was messed up in my previous post.. sorry for the double post..

why is it that everytime anyone references 911blogger.com that this mystery man jumps out of the closet to attack it?

here is what was just said about 911blogger.com:
by promoting his work through its maze of disinfo (like no-commercial-jets at the WTC, missiles at the Pentagon, letsroll911, swapped planes, etc) via crappy DVDs that are not promoted by ANY legitimate 9/11 organization.

you would be hard pressed to find anything this guy is claiming on 911blogger.com.. there are no links to letsroll911, there are no posts on the 'pod', all there is is a section with 9/11 related videos which includes reopen911.org's DVD and 'loose change'.. and for that reason (as i understand it) this user finds it necessary to hunt down any reference to my site and bash it, never offering any alternative sites, and never trying to contact me or have a real discussion..

here is just a quick sampling of a search of '911blogger' and 'bogus' in which this person has attacked my site:  http://faketerror.blogspot.com/2005/06/hustler-interviews-griffin-what-if.html
 http://www.indybay.org/news/2005/05/1736563.php
 http://mke.indymedia.org/en/2005/04/203225.shtml
 http://houston.indymedia.org/news/2005/05/39757_comment.php
 http://portland.indymedia.org/en/2005/05/316986.shtml

i am a real person, who is devoting alot of time and money to trying to help all i can.. why is it that from day one i am attacked for my efforts by this person? i have received alot of support from alot of people involved in '9/11 truth', both in suggestions, and helpful comments, and by submitting news and supportive words.. but this guy is going out of his way to bash bash bash, and its just getting rediculous really.

as for his comments about me trying to capitalize off of griffin.. i have done my best to cover griffin's work.. i find him to be a great opportunity for 9/11 to reach the mainstream.. as such i have done everything i can to cover him, including hosting his CSPAN appearance before it aired on CSPAN (i bought it from a local TV station crew which recorded it as well).. because the readers of my site want to help spread the word of griffin they often reference my articles, and are often followed up by this attacker..

i am trying my best here to spread information to anyone and everyone i can, as are ALOT of people out there (including alot of good people here), whereas this guy is trying HIS best to attack my site anywhere and everywhere he can, and it just doesn't fit.. if anyone has questions, or helpful comments, or anything i am easily accessable, but just attack attack attack anywhere and everywhere does noone any good.

this person should spend his time attacking the sites out there that suppress other sites, and support extremist theories, not my site which links to every major 9/11 site i know of (including oilempire.us which i beleive this guy runs), and does its best to cover all the 9/11 related news without enforcing personal opinions. i hope we can get over this bickering sooner or later and focus on the good news and spreading the word.. spending our time on that sort of thing is alot better use of time than these types of attacks.

Bohemian Grove...Franklin Cover Up..Jeff Gannon 04.Jun.2005 00:13

Mthearth

Finally I have found someone who has taken notice!!! I have been amazed by the ignorance of people...Doesn't anyone read and research anymore?? Over the past few months I have brought up Bohemian Grove..Franklin Cover Up..Boys Town etc..to several people and everytime I get the same response, WHAT ARE YOU TALKING ABOUT? I've been deeply troubled by the lack of exposure..Reading the above has given me hope that people will eventually take notice and realize that maybe next time they will do their homework before they cast a vote.

RESEARCHER! NO ONE IS LISTENING! 04.Jun.2005 10:39

rat

no one is even reading your shit anymore, much less believes any of it. See "911 Special FX: Pure Hollywood". You stupid troll.

reader responds 04.Jun.2005 11:20

reader

>>you would be hard pressed to find anything this guy is claiming on 911blogger.com.. there are no links to letsroll911

I just found 4 links to LETSROLL911 in the DVDs section. Took all of three seconds.

>>i am a real person, who is devoting alot of time and money to trying to help all i can.

That's fine. Then why promote DVDs that say there were no commerical jets at the WTC when MOST of us can guess this will only turn off people to 9/11 truth?

Why promote Jimmy Walter's tour in the EU the features people pushing disinfo and associated with antisemitic publications? Christopher Bollyn was on David Duke recently (4/30/05). Why should 9/11 truth advocates be on David Duke? Not THAT hard to figure out. Walter's site also promotes 'nuclear detonation' at the WTC. We have zero evidence for this.

Why promote Team8 that says planes were swapped when we have virtually no evidence of that?

Why promote Karl Schwartz, whose 9/11 articles are only on No-plane at the Pentagon, the incident used most often to smear the movement?

Why promote AMERICAN PATRIOT FRIENDS NETWORK?

Etc., etc.

I don't run oilempire and I tried to offer you advice previously which you ignored. I have no obligation to email you personally. I responded to your comments here -

A visitor made this comment,
>>i do have both of these videos in my 9/11 related videos section.. but i also have alot of other films listed..

Having 'lots of other films' doesn't make having the worst disinfo films okay. Sorry, you can't just wave your hand and say 'they're all good!' They are not. They are damaging the 9/11 movement by promoting false claims with no evidence.

>>when you said 'no commercial jet hit the towers' i was thinking you were referring to the 'hologram' theories that some push.. i do not promote awareness of 9/11 by showing 'pod' footage, or 'hologram' footage, or anything of the sort..

Both of the videos you promote on your site describe theories that commerical jets did not hit. We have ZERO evidence to support such a claims and they only serve to paint the movement as a group of nutcases.

>>i just blog 9/11 related news and was trying to make a quick list of 9/11 related films for people to research

Maybe you should watch your own films - they are slick and they are promoting lies. If this is such an off the cuff thing you're doing ('just blogging'), where is your money coming from for the bandwidth?

>> not make personal judgements as to which films are right and which are wrong..

Research into the events of 9/11 is not about personal judgements, its about scientific inquiry and fact gathering. These films are non-scientific and have already been debunked elsewhere.

>>in fact, you could post a comment to those threads with your opinions, thats what comments are for..

I'm doing that here.

>>>>second, wingtv's link will soon be removed because of their new feud with alex jones

>>Glad to hear that, although if you look on their front page, there are many reasons beyond Alex Jones to remove them. Why did you have them there in the first place?

>>i did a graphics work for them not too long ago for their 9/11 on trial segment.. up until recently i had overlooked their bashing of ruppert (which perhaps wasnt in my best judgement).. but since they do routinely discuss 9/11 i put them as a link on my site..

Any 'blogger' who knowingly supports and links to a site which openly makes personal attacks on researchers is supporting the attacks themselves by the link. You are implicated now that you're involved by linking there.

>>as for karl's site linking to letsroll911.org.. he links to tons and tons of sites on his.. he probably is linking to everything that is available and leaving it up to his viewers to do their own research..

This is the classic mantra of those who want to spread disinfo in the guise of 'it's all good!' People promoting disinfo try to intimidate those who spot the disinfo tucked away amongst the 'tons' of links by accusing them of 'making judgements' and being 'controlling,' etc. This is a false argument - having good links doesn't make having disinfo 'okay.' Trying to camoflague the disinfo amongst links to everything under the sun doesn't make you an asset to the movment, it makes you a problem.

You are spreading disinfo knowingly and with a great deal of bandwidth at your disposal.

>>as for your friend emailing me.. i just did a search on my emails and came across a long email from oilempire.us.. im assuming thats the one you speak of.. i will look through it again.. i am somewhat familiar with this site, but did not pay much attention to the email due to the amount of email i have gotten and because the email was just a flooding of links, not someone asking me a question or making suggestions..

I've made numerous suggestions on here and you've done nothing. Right now you're saying one thing, then changing it by the next comment. Looks like you're buying time so you don't have to actually do anything.

>>in any event.. i am trying to promote awareness, not get involved with the constant infighting between the 'pod' people and the non-'pod' people, etc..

Then why the link to one of the most vitriolic websites in existance (Wingtv)? Sounds like you've already decided you want to push people who are right-wing, attacking people or promoting theories that the planes were swapped and passengers were herded onto other flights and dumped in the ocean (Team 8). Can't get any more bizaare.

>>in fact i decided to go public with my blog in the hopes of getting away from all the constant infighting in the 9/11 community..

See note above.

>>it is not my goal to promote or endorse specific theories such as the 'pod', or in plane swapping, etc. etc.

But by promoting them with no disclaimer, you are endorsing them.

>>what i am trying to do is tell people to pay attention and do their own research and come to their own conclusions..

So you think that we should be teaching creationism in schools so that people can 'come to their own conclusions'? You're throwing around a grenade and saying its nothing. Putting out disinfo and claiming you want people to come to their own conclusions is still disinfo. Swapped planes, no commericial jet, missiles etc. are all over the links you are pushing. It's clear disinfo.

>>i hope you can see that not getting involved in the arguements in the community but rather just covering anything new about 9/11 that i can peak intrest in viewers to pay attention and to start their own researching..

Funny how fast you're getting the stories that you are. I would bet they'll go nowhere. In the end, you can lead a horse to water, but . . .

>>i am not coming out on my website trying to shove my opinions down people's throat, i am just blogging any new 9/11 related news.

Passive disinfo. So what? Still disinfo.

>>i hope in the future you might not attack someone trying to be active in the 9/11 community as that is exactly the thing that keeps us all divided.

Disinfo is what's keeping us divided, as well as the promotion of those who are attacking others (WingTV) and pushing pods, missiles (Karl Schwartz via Letsroll promotion), etc - you're an active participant in both . . .

And from the looks of it, you're working Full Time.

-reader
 http://mparent7777.blog-city.com/read/1247232.htm

Trying to label my posts as 'hate' is inaccurate and exaggeration. They are calling you on the disinfo you have on your site.

You could choose to let some of it go, and focus more on legitimate info. When you do, I won't have to call you on your promotions of missiles, pods and no commericial jets. It would save me a lot of time, so please go ahead.

911blogger ROCKS! 04.Jun.2005 12:16

poopy pants

Don't miss the audio from Mike Ruppert's 6/3 Portland speech:
 http://portland.indymedia.org/en/2005/06/318721.shtml

This idiot troll who's on a mission to discredit 911blogger.. where to begin. Let's let 911blogger dude speak for himself:
 http://portland.indymedia.org/en/2005/06/318576.shtml#182973

I look at  http://www.911blogger.com and I see it loaded to the gills with the best 911-Truth sites, files etc. Look yourself (something "reader"/"researcher" would obviously prefer you DON'T DO). Not to mention I got HERE because of 911blogger's linking to it. Enough said.

Hey you want a REAL CIA ASSET masquerading as a 911-Truther? Take a look at WING-TV.net. They pop up like a weed, ostensibly just a couple of amateurs operating on a shoestring, yet capable of putting together slick "always free" daily webcasts where production & bandwidth funding appears to be NO PROBLEM. Yeah, always free, paid for by your tax dollars and the Empire's global narco trafficing profits destroying your community. WING-TV's attempt to wedge and conquer the 911-Truth Movement is as naked as the Chimperor himself. They seek to destroy Rense. Then Ruppert. Then Alex Jones. Who next? Griffin? Who knows I haven't checked into that hokey site for weeks, maybe they are trying to work over Griffin now.

Here's some articles at Rense debunking WING-TV:

"WING - Trashing The Truth"
 http://www.rense.com/general65/wwing.htm

"WINGs NOT Over The UK"
 http://www.rense.com/general65/wing.htm

Anyways, believe in Peak Oil or believe in "abiotic" and that Peak Oil is a corporate conspiracy-- what's the common ground? That oil's going up and it'll crush the global economy. Keep your eye on the ball and don't be divided and conquered by the provocateurs.

Believe the pentagon was hit by a 757, a Global Hawk, or a missile. What's the common ground? That 911 was an inside job and the federal government and mainstream media are not our friends or allies. Keep your eye on the ball and don't be divided and conquered by the provocateurs.

This idiot troll who's on a mission to discredit 911blogger.. where to begin. Let's let 911blogger dude speak for himself:
 http://portland.indymedia.org/en/2005/06/318576.shtml#182973

I look at  http://www.911blogger.com and I see it loaded to the gills with the best 911-Truth sites, files etc. Look yourself (something "reader"/"researcher" would obviously prefer you DON'T DO). Enough said.

Hey you want a REAL CIA ASSET masquerading as a 911-Truther? Take a look at WING-TV.net. They pop up like a weed, ostensibly just a couple of amateurs operating on a shoestring, yet capable of putting together slick "always free" daily webcasts where production & bandwidth funding appears to be NO PROBLEM. Yeah, always free, paid for by your tax dollars and the Empire's global narco trafficing profits destroying your community. WING-TV's attempt to wedge and conquer the 911-Truth Movement is as naked as the Chimperor himself. They seek to destroy Rense. Then Ruppert. Then Alex Jones. Who next? Griffin? Who knows I haven't checked into that hokey site for weeks, maybe they are trying to work over Griffin now.

Here's some articles at Rense debunking WING-TV:

"WING - Trashing The Truth"
 http://www.rense.com/general65/wwing.htm

"WINGs NOT Over The UK"
 http://www.rense.com/general65/wing.htm

Anyways, believe in Peak Oil or believe in "abiotic" and that Peak Oil is a corporate conspiracy-- what's the common ground? That oil's going up and it'll crush the global economy. Keep your eye on the ball and don't be divided and conquered by the provocateurs.

Believe the pentagon was hit by a 757, a Global Hawk, or a missile. What's the common ground? That 911 was an inside job and the federal government and mainstream media are not our friends or allies. Keep your eye on the ball and don't be divided and conquered by the provocateurs.

sorry for the twice pasted text above 04.Jun.2005 14:18

poopy pants

at first I wasn't sure if it was an indymedia glitch or my own, but it was a paste-job from the other indymedia page about Ruppert's Portland speech so I'll assume I pasted it 2x by accident. Hey you try typing with a stinky load in your pants.

some of us knew that sept 11 was an inside job from day one ... 04.Jun.2005 15:52

ABU ALI MUHAMMED ABUALINJ@AOL.COM

On Sept 11 2001 . I was working for plumbing supply company . I had before that always been following the political scene . About a decade ago after reading an article in the washington post about a f-16 fighter jet being found with millions of dollars of "Hard white " cocaine on it . I felt that an American military jet being found with coke un board brought me inot the research of politics.
MY allegations at first was just that allegations, but now we know Larry Silverstein the owner of the WTC Complex all 7 buildings . He has admitted on the record thathe ordered the controlled demolition of the WTC 7 the OEM(Office of Emergency Management ) was brought down by controlled demolition .(THAT I BELIEVE IS EXPLICIT) That is insurance fraud , and premeditated mass murder .. As people who care about justice we need to take care of this .. for us and for our children ...

missing page 3 04.Jun.2005 17:36

correction

By mistake, Page 32 was uploaded twice
There is also a transcript available at
 http://faketerror.blogspot.com/2005/06/hustler-interviews-griffin-what-if.html

there is growth in the truth movement 04.Jun.2005 18:15

slig

Disinfo is everywhere and I have spent over 18 months of dedicated research reading and reading and reading. I've seen it all, by now. I was suckered by In Plane Sight, the now-obvious misinformation hit piece. Thanks to Jim Hoffman's film review for "freeing" my mind.
As a note, I'd like to comment that it is interesting that In Plane Sight and 911 DEBUNKED in Popular Mechanics both came out in March of 2004, the same time the Citizens Justice Inquiry began its press conferences in San Fransico and Toronto. "The man" succeeded in slowing down the expansion of truth and movement, but unless something dreadful happens to the internet, the truth will inevitable surface. There are thousands -- if not hundreds of thousands -- of people on the internet willing to researching, learn, and keep an open mind. There is a growing movement of dissatisfaction with a corrupt system of homeland insecurity and mythical terrorists.
The problem is, I suggest, is that 911 cynics are too busy trying to "solve the mystery." To "reveal the truth." The truth is burried, shipped to china, and sold for scraps.
We have to find common ground. Not just the 911 cynics, but the corporate-greed cynics, the protestors around the country and the world who have one commonality: dissatisfaction with capitalist oligarchy.
I am a Canadian journalism graduate. I feel powerless as a Canadian because I have no right to 'lead a movement.' All I can do is try to contribute to the discussion. I don't have the answers, but I what the end result ought to be. It's sometimes known as "revolution," but in todays climate having said that might make me a classifiable "terrorist" -- the government is corrupt and a new party (Ie. the Democrats) will not fix it. The people have to take the power back. What a scary proposition.
the debate continues.... please email me if you have a response as I will likely not remember to come back to this particular site. I'm at  sligovision@hotmail.com

reader 04.Jun.2005 22:26

dz

it sounds like all of your gripes with my site could be fixed by removing my 9/11 related movies section.. i dont update this section routinely, i just created it for those looking for 9/11 related videos to watch.. do you have any suggestions as to other 9/11 related video listings to link to instead?

also, you brought up wingTV, i don't link to them, so its pretty much a pointless arguement.. as for linking to letsroll911, they are linked for downloading movies in that same 9/11 related movies section, asside from that they are rarely (if ever) mentioned on my site.

would you like to listen to all of my music too and tell me which of those are ok?

i am not going to change my site just to appease someone who hunts me down throughout the whole web to bash me and my site.. i am however willing to hear what you have to say and see if there is a compromise.. i am looking for help and helpful comments, i would think that would have been your first action instead of just tracking and bashing.

as for 'working full time' or paying for bandwidth, your right, i work countless hours to try to spread 9/11 related news, and im not the only by any means.. as for the bandwidth, i have paid for it personally or through donations, so instead of using that as ammo to say im disinfo, use it to prove that i am dedicated to the cause.. perhaps if you took all of your bashing time and devoted it to helping out we could get somewhere.

again, you can reach me at  dz@911blogger.com

I'm With You Abu 05.Jun.2005 09:30

Anarchy-nonymous

I was just turning on the TV moments after the first tower was hit. As I saw the second plane approach, I thought that was very odd. Why wasn't the sky buzzing with F-15s? However, it was the collapse that immediately made me think that something was not right. I took physics. I knew there was no way those planes could have brought down a structure of that size. When the media dutifully started spitting out the melting theories, I knew it was BS. Then one of Bush's appearance talking about the attacks, "Well, I think.... I know this was an act of war... and uh... and uh..."

And how did anything ever get to the Pentagon???

dz 06.Jun.2005 14:05

re

>>>it sounds like all of your gripes with my site could be fixed by removing my 9/11 related movies section.. i dont update this section routinely, i just created it for those looking for 9/11 related videos to watch.. do you have any suggestions as to other 9/11 related video listings to link to instead?

 http://911busters.com/ is the best place to get coverage of 9/11 activists speaking, rather than slick DVDs that are often including disinfo. Lots to see on there so they're worth promoting.

There's no reason to link to letsroll911 for anything. Get the source elsewhere.

>>also, you brought up wingTV, i don't link to them, so its pretty much a pointless arguement.. as for linking to letsroll911, they are linked for downloading movies in that same 9/11 related movies section, asside from that they are rarely (if ever) mentioned on my site.

They shouldn't be on there at all. Would you include a link to Karl Rove's site if he were offering DVDs on 9/11? That's about the effect when you link to someone who: 1) has openly called for harassment of other 9/11 activists, 2) promoted unsubstantiated bogus claims about missiles to government officials in DC, and, 3) promotes nonsense about 9/11 which discredits legitimate efforts at outreach. The missiles and pods are not supported by ANY significant evidence. Legitimate 9/11 organizations never promote this stuff.

>>i am not going to change my site just to appease someone who hunts me down throughout the whole web to bash me and my site.. i am however willing to hear what you have to say and see if there is a compromise.. i am looking for help and helpful comments, i would think that would have been your first action instead of just tracking and bashing.

I posted those comments before and you ignored them. If you want to post stuff that links to pods and missiles that discredits the tons of hours of real work that many other people have put in, I will speak out.

On that note, I appreciate the disclaimer you added about the DVDs. It suggests you are interested in compromise.

>>as for 'working full time' or paying for bandwidth, your right, i work countless hours to try to spread 9/11 related news, and im not the only by any means.. as for the bandwidth, i have paid for it personally or through donations, so instead of using that as ammo to say im disinfo, use it to prove that i am dedicated to the cause.. perhaps if you took all of your bashing time and devoted it to helping out we could get somewhere.

I am helping out, by exposing the problems. I don't have your kind of cash to host bandwidth.

Now you need to lose the promotion of the bogus 9/11 EU tour. Do YOU think there were NUKES at the WTC? That's one of the top stories promoted on reopen911.

essential truths 06.Jun.2005 22:16

pokiemon

by the 2nd "pun-ographer"

"What with Bohemian Grove --- The Franklin Cover-up --- snuff filming drug dealing Satanists --- Bush Junior was suspect #1 for a mass murder slaying (and mass skinning of the victims) in the mid 1980s, in a Brownsville, TX, kill-cult investigation; Bush Junior investigated for six months until his daddy VP called off the dogs and let his son go free --- Jeff Gannon's sleepovers in the Bush Junior White House, particularly on Christmas and New Year's Eve/Day --- Bush's paying for illegal abortions for his female sex friends --- Bush killing off other females who say they were raped by George when they dared to file formal charges against George --- midnight tours of the White House in 1989 for young male call boys for his old dad, George H. W. Bush and his minions --- let's remember that it was a Black American named Larry King who was part of the whole Franklin Cover-up, and that King was simultaneously making snuff films, auctioning young children for sex at DC parties, delivering children for sex and death at Bohemian Grove, and running a national drug muling organization--at the same time King was singing the Star Spangled Banner for George H. W. Bush at his 1988 Republican Nominating Convention. --- his daughter Jenna Bush stripping out of her panties on a public beach to change into a bathing suit --- all the devil signs they throw at the public whether both their dauters, his wife, or Bush Junior himself --- porn star Mary Carey (ran for Governor of California) dining in the Bush White House and with Bush and Rove in the middle of June because her producer is a bigwig porn producer who gave lots of money to the Republican Party

I can't think of a better place to talk about the Bush family than a porn magazine."

This response I would think can easily be interpreted (in the world of official-trolldom) and especially with regard to conspiracy theories as a "plan C" or possibly "D". All you have to remember is the simple and truthful statement by Ghandi...we've all heard it, "First they ignore you...", etc. Fortunately, there is considerable reason to believe that it will prove fruitless. Of course, when it comes to being cautious...there is no room for any..."stand-downs"...pun VERY intended.

hmm 07.Jun.2005 11:04

watching

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mr. paranoid link


"I guess if they haven't come to get you yet, the rest of us must be sorta safe for now. If you know what I mean."

This should probably be seen as something "of interest" on the Portland Indymedia site, and might at very least be considered somewhat curious, especially when considering the topic of this thread. Very brazen indeed and probably indicative of things to come (both on the site(s), and the quite possibly, the not-so-implicit content of the message.