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Howard Dean: Coward Hawk?

Howard Dean hopes Bush is "incredibly successful with his policy now that he's there."
From Democracy Now!

Howard Dean Supports Bush on Iraq

"The chair of the Democratic National Committee Howard Dean has come out in support of President Bush"s current Iraq policy.

In a speech earlier this week in Minnesota, Dean said, "The president has created an enormous security problem for the United States where none existed before. But I hope the president is incredibly successful with his policy now that he's there."

Dean said a US pullout could endanger the United States in three ways: By leaving a Shiite theocracy worse than that in Iran; by creating an independent Kurdistan in the north, with destabilizing effects on neighboring Kurdish regions of Turkey, Iran and Syria, and by making the so-called Sunni Triangle a magnet for what Dean called Islamic terrorists similar to the former Taliban-ruled Afghanistan.

Dean was portrayed as an antiwar candidate in the media during the 2004 presidential race."

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Are these Dean's true colors? Is Dean a closet hawk?

I have to say after this, I've developed a no-confidence attitude toward Dean here.

The GOP may be right after all. They said with him the Democratic Party would be flushed further down the toilet. Assuming Dean was the courageous anti-war voice within the party I thought he was, I staunchly disagreed, but now with this, I feel they just may have it right...just not in the way they necessarily meant, sadly, with the way Dean seems to be playing the same old card other Democrats, like Hilary Clinton, have been playing.

Throughout the Democratic primary, not to mention throughout much of the 2004 campaign, Dean boasted on and on about how he was one of the minority Democrats to vote against going to war, and challenged his opponents like Kerry, Edwards, and Lieberman for authorizing the war.

Now, all a sudden, he comes out and says though he believes Bush has made a huge costly mistake on national security, he is basically signing his permission slip to continue to go about his business.

THAT'S why I'm NOT a Democrat, rather a progressive-minded independent who's yearning to see a reformed Democratic Party.

That is NOT anti-war behavior. If you're truly anti-war, you're not going to let your anti-war guard down at any point in the game.

I'm telling you, and as a liberal, that the Democrats are just going to keep losing election after election until they recognize two things.

One, that they understand why millions even bother to embrace their party every four years in the first place.

The fact is, Iraq was a more serious issue among Democrats than it was among Republicans. In exit poll results, 73% of the overall 15% who thought Iraq was the most serious issue to them were Kerry voters, which Kerry voters almost unanimously disapproved of the war.

THAT'S why many Democratic voters even bothered to go out to the polls November 2nd, for they believed the Democrats would sharpen up to become the oppositional party voice of this country on issues like that.

Secondly, the other thing Democrats must realize is that the GOP have wandered far away from their roots, and, learning that lesson, try to cover up some ground they've retreated from, on values like veteran care, state rights, small government, the minimum wage, issues which the GOP have turned their back on as of late.

And there continue to be pockets of dissent within the party, like on the cloture bill, where some Democrats even joined the GOP on making it harder for families to file for bankruptcy. Even both Democrat Hawaiian Senators voted for ANWR drilling. And they don't even bother talking about the GOP backing away from state rights and such.

I really am not confident in Dean at all after this.

I believe I was right about one thing in particular before, however. That Dean has strong grassroots mobilization skills.

The only problem is, he's using them to rally in all the wrong ideas.

Sincerely,
Noah Eaton
Ha 22.Apr.2005 13:33

Not Surprised At All

The Democratic Party is just as imperialistic in nature as the Republican Party. The Democratic Party is no ally of anyone who seeks truth, honesty, justice. How many indications do you need? The Democratic Party exists to channel dissent from the left into the system where it can be successfully defused and controlled. They are the enemy of real change.

I'm Glad You See It Too 22.Apr.2005 15:40

Lloyd Hart dadapop@dadapop.com

While Dean Conned Anti War Vote Party Bosses Laughed

By Lloyd Hart

 http://portland.indymedia.org/en/2004/02/280833.shtml


He doesn't support Bush 22.Apr.2005 15:43

Jenni S.

Dean doesn't support Bush or his policy in Iraq. He was against the war beore and he is still against it now.

However, now that we are there, he is right in the fact that we can't just pull all our troops out and leave nothing behind. Doing so would just leave the country in shambles. Something would need to be left behind, such as a UN force that would help to keep the peace, rebuild the country, etc.

What he said was that he hopes Bush's policies are successful now that we're there because that success means soldiers and innocent bystanders aren't killed. It means that the country is left better than we found it.

I always hate it when people take a small statement out of context.

Dean is still very much against the Iraq War. He just wants our men and women over there to be safe as well as all the other innocents in the country.

The Author Must Be a Troll 22.Apr.2005 16:07

BethP

Jenni S. is right -- this comment or article has twisted Dean's position way out of context. He has said from the beginning that once we invaded Iraq -- and demolished their country -- that we owed it to the Iraqi people to clean up the mess we made there, and we owed it to the troops to support them. Anyone who was following the campaigns knew that. Dean was and is a straight-shooter, unlike the author of the article.

Such articles and comments are obviously the work of trolls.

Good Work, Noah 22.Apr.2005 16:33

Wallowed

Dean sympathizers may be beyond reach. Not only do they fail to recognize that Dean has never, ever been against the criminal invasion of Iraq, but they feel that the brainwashed US trooperz that have murdered, tortured, raped, and plundered Iraqis, somehow desserve to be supported in their actions, and should remain to continue their campaign. They should figure out how to liberate themselves, because they must claim a share of the credit in contunuing the horrendous massacre of brown people, claiming that it is for their own good.

Their arguements are nearly identical to the PNAC supporters that acknowledged that the US bears the bulk of the responsibility for bringing Saddam to power, and propping up his brutal dictatorship for decades. They also claimed that the US had to illegaly invade Iraq to correct past US policy "mistakes" and help the helpless, dumb brown folks achieve "freedom" and "democracy".

The other pro-war party 22.Apr.2005 19:50

Kevin Zeese

April 22, 2005
"We're There and We Can't Get Out"
Howard Dean, Leader of the Other Pro-War Party, Backs the Occupation
By KEVIN ZEESE
It didn't take long, the former anti-war presidential candidate has now become the pro-occupation leader of the Democratic Party. Just when a majority of the public is saying the Iraq War is not worth it, Howard Dean the new leader of the Democratic Party is saying: "Now that we're there, we're there and we can't get out."
Like the good partisan he is Dean blames Bush for a war most in his party voted for and an occupation that most in his party recently voted to continue to fund. Of the President Dean said: "The president has created an enormous security problem for the United States where none existed before. But I hope the president is incredibly successful with his policy now that he's there."
Chairman Dean does not seem to understand that the illegal occupation of Iraq is part of the problem, not part of the solution. In fact, the many fears he expresses regarding pulling out of Iraq are made more likely by the US occupation of Iraq.
According to an article in the Minnesota Star Tribune, Dean claims that an American pullout from Iraq could endanger the United States in any of three ways: by leaving a Shiite theocracy worse than that in Iran, which he called a more serious threat than Iraq ever was; by creating an independent Kurdistan in the north, with destabilizing effects on neighboring Kurdish regions of Turkey, Iran and Syria, and by making the Sunni Triangle a magnet for Islamic terrorists similar to the former Taliban-ruled Afghanistan.
From his comments, it is evident that Chairman Dean only believes in democracy if the voters support the kind of government the U.S. wants. U.S. officials find a puppet government led by U.S sympathizers preferable to what Iraqis want. Indeed, we find autocratic governments like Saudi Arabia and Egypt preferable to democratic governments that are likely to oppose U.S. interests.
The fears expressed by Chairman Dean indicate that we really don't want a democracy in Iraq. We want a government that will continue to keep Paul Bremer's decrees as law, decrees that make Iraq very friendly to U.S. corporate interests. The decrees allow complete foreign ownership of Iraqi industry, very low tax rates that allow profit to be funneled out of Iraq, no trade unions to be organized by workers and no lawsuits against U.S. contractors. And, where through our puppets we get a seat at the OPEC table and first dibs on Iraqi oil. And for our military interests, a government that allows the U.S. to build 14 permanent military basis so Iraq becomes the center of U.S. military dominance over the region.
If we wanted a democracy in Iraq we would have announced an exit timetable. Iraqis have shown in many ways that they want the U.S. to leave. Author Naomi Klien summarized the evidence for this proposition on Democracy Now! on April 20:
"A majority of Iraqis voted in the election for a political party, the United Iraqi Alliance. The second plank of their platform was calling for a timetable for withdrawal. Then you have all the people who boycotted the elections because they believed that a clear statement about withdrawal was the prerequisite for having elections, that you couldn't have elections before you had that commitment. So immediately after Iraqis have expressed this through opinion polls, through protests, through their votes . . ."
Add to her list the growing insurgency that seems to be primarily made up by Iraqis, religious leaders from both the Shiite and Sunni community calling on the U.S. to leave and recent protests involving hundreds of thousands and it is impossible to deny the obvious - Iraqis want the United States to leave. If we wanted majority rule in Iraq we would be announcing a timetable for U.S. withdrawal.
A responsible withdrawal plan will minimize the risks that Dean fears by stopping mainstream Iraqis from supporting the resistance to U.S. occupation. If Iraqis know they will be getting back their country and that there will be a dual withdrawal of U.S. troops and corporate interests in the near future the resistance will lose support. Our presence empowers anti-US views in Iraq - our exit will make the U.S. invasion truly into a liberation of Iraq from Saddam. Our continued presence makes clear this was not a war of liberation but a war of occupation and dominance of the region.
Democracy Rising has put forward a three step exit strategy that includes real elections under international, not U.S., supervision; an international peace keeping force from neutral countries, preferably in the region; and continued humanitarian aid to help rebuild Iraq. See: www.DemocracyRising.US for details on this exit plan.
Recently, Robert Novak reported that the Bush administration plans to get out of Iraq within a year. Wouldn't is be ironic if while the Democratic leadership - John Kerry, Hilary Clinton, Howard Dean - is calling for continued occupation, the Republican leadership announced a withdrawal plan!
Kevin Zeese is director of DemocracyRising.US. You can comment on this column by visiting his blog at www.DemocracyRising.US.
 http://www.counterpunch.org/zeese04222005.html

Dennis Kucinich, co-chair of the House Progressive Caucus 22.Apr.2005 22:17

Progressive Democrat

Dennis Kucinich hasn't changed his statement on the Iraq War:

"The war in Iraq was wrong. While the United States has won a military victory in Iraq, the Administration never justified the war, rendering it a diplomatic and foreign policy failure.

"America must make a dramatic reversal of course: we must acknowledge that the continued U.S. military presence in Iraq is counterproductive and destabilizing. We have a choice in front of us: either we change course, withdraw our troops and request that the UN move in, or we sink deeper into this occupation, with more U.S. casualties, ever higher financial costs, and diminished security for all Americans."

 http://www.kucinich.us/issues/iraq.php

There are probably more progressives registered independent or Green or Socialist than are registered Democrats. The problem is there aren't enough progressives -- meaning aware and activist progressives, including but not limited to voting. What happened a year ago when Kerry defeated Kucinich in the Oregon Democratic primary to give Kucinich a victory in Oregon? That would have been, should have been, a Kucinich victory with many independents and some Greens registering (even if temporarily) to make a positive anti-war statement.

But it didn't happen. The only thing we can do is to continue to educate the public. And hope that many more people will TURN OFF the corporate boob tube!

What Democrats like Dean are trying to figure out is how to reach a public that did NOT give Oregon to Kucinich in the 2004 primary. Do you think that Dean maybe figures that the American people do not want the U.S. to pull out of Iraq?

Or maybe it's just that all that "73% of the overall 15% who thought Iraq was the most serious issue to them were Kerry voters, which Kerry voters almost unanimously disapproved of the war" didn't disapprove of the war ENOUGH to think that it was the most serious issue in the 2004 election. That's why Kucinich is now promoting what he calls a culture of peace -- because a country that can't figure out that on-going unjust and stupid war is THE BIG ISSUE is a country in bad need of education.

What the American public is getting off corporate teevee is that the BIG ISSUE TOO MANY
"LIBERAL" (meaning in favor of protecting the environment) judges in the Federal courts! And too many of the American public are buying into that self-destructive (to themselves) fantasy.

When former Secretary of the Interior Udall was asked which what was the worst thing about the public -- ignorance or apathy? Udall replied, "I don't know and I don't care."

So are you a independent progressive or a Green progressive or a Socialist progressive or (like myself) a Democrat progressive? I don't know and I don't care.

Spot the spin... 23.Apr.2005 02:25

Tony Blair's dog

"Jenni S" says;

"However, now that we are there, he is right in the fact that we can't just pull all our troops out and leave nothing behind. Doing so would just leave the country in shambles."

"Beth P" says;

"He has said from the beginning that once we invaded Iraq -- and demolished their country -- that we owed it to the Iraqi people to clean up the mess we made there, and we owed it to the troops to support them."

Hehehe, priceless Bush propaganda spin.

Kucinich's Framework is Out of Date 23.Apr.2005 03:05

Wallowed

Re: "The war in Iraq was wrong. While the United States has won a military victory in Iraq, the Administration never justified the war, rendering it a diplomatic and foreign policy failure."

The war in Iraq IS wrong, it is criminal, it is in violation of International law, and of the US Constitution. The US military has won some BATTLES in Iraq, at the expense of slaughtering/torturing tens of thousands of innocent civilians, and the widespread destruction of the cradle of civilization. It stands as a diplomatic and foreign policy failure all on its own- justified or not. It is a strategic and economic catastrophe of biblical proportions for the US, and could easily result dissolution the empire.

Those in Iraq who are resisting the invasion have every right to do so. They are defending against a hostile foreign army that has invaded and decimated their homeland with brutal force. They are defending their right to self-determination. They are defending their friends and families from being humiliated/imprisoned/enslaved/tortured/raped. They are defending their traditions from being SUPERSIZED.

Iraq resistance is kicking the shit out of the US Trooperz, and the US has no chance of avoiding a humiliating defeat in Iraq. They never had the support of the population, and the heavy hand of the mind-washed Christian Imperial Army, has guaranteed that they never will.

The best that they can hope for is a successful fomentation of a civil war in Iraq, a 'look over there' bombing attack on Iran. They may even bring Abu Mussab al ZARQAWI in by magic carpet, to launch his 'nooculer' device attack, just like they said, that Osama said, he oughtta' do.
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Q- What happened a year ago when Kerry defeated Kucinich in the Oregon Democratic primary to give Kucinich a victory in Oregon?

A- A.B.B.

Q- Do you think that Dean maybe figures that the American people do not want the U.S. to pull out of Iraq?

A- Doesn't matter whether the American people want out or not, at this point. The US will be kicked out of Iraq (and Afghanistan) sooner or later, and the consequences of that result will be formidable.
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This is one of the most disgraceful episodes of our nation's history. The A.B.B. stampede that voted out of panic, must admit that they were very, very, wrong in supporting someone that helped legitimize the heinous occupation of Iraq, and that the brown people have a right to figure out what is best for themselves, without being subject to State sponsored Cor-Piracy and terrorism.

Until then, it will be very difficult to move forward.

Kucinich's Framework is Out of Date ? 23.Apr.2005 12:40

Progressive Democrat

Wallowed says --

"Doesn't matter whether the American people want out or not, at this point. The US will be kicked out of Iraq (and Afghanistan) sooner or later, and the consequences of that result will be formidable."

THAT is Wallowed's approach to educating the American people (meaning us!) -- Kucinich has a different approach, but the approach used by Kucinich is as valid (possibly more valid) than the approach taken by "Wallowed".

The problem with the Wallowed approach is that it could be taken as telling the people (us) to think of ourselves as utterly powerless. Kucinich would disagree with that idea: he believes that the people have power if they will only act. Thus, Dennis urges us to do everything possible to make the inevitable U.S. pullout come sooner rather than later -- and to work to pull ourselves together so that we will be better prepared to deal with the inevitable when it arrives.

(I'm not saying that Wallowed's analysis is wrong or inaccurate. Wallowed is involved, just as much as Kucinich, in an educational project.)

Not Powerless 23.Apr.2005 14:08

Wallowed

I am not here to educate the American people. I am here to offer my, not as humble as it could be, opinion, to the minority of people that are interested in these issues. I hope to do my small part in keeping this very important discussion going.

Re: "Dennis urges us to do everything possible to make the inevitable U.S. pullout come sooner rather than later..."

Nope. Sorry. Dennis ultimately 'urged' us to vote for a man that had stated plans to add 40,000 more US Trooperz to the illegal occupation of Iraq, and offered to do a better job of decimating that country.

Dennis owes us an explanation/apology for that endorsement.

The people are ALL powerful, in these matters. The choice is ours.

Dennis is our only hope for a peaceful future 24.Apr.2005 12:24

Clark

Kucinich for President 2008.

Precisely my point 24.Apr.2005 13:30

Saruman

To paraphrase the words of the evil wizard of Middle Earth: "what victory do you think we have won in Iraq?" I respect Kucinich's anti-war stance, however, at some point or the other it is necessary to wake up and smell the coffee. No victory has been won in Iraq. A lot of skirmishes have taken place, a horrible number of people have been killed, an entire country ecologically devastated, but what exactly has been accomplished? Any realistic planner, engineer, or construction contractor, will look at the situation in Iraq and tell you that at least ten years will be required to rebuild the country's infrastructure. And these estimates are based on a cohesive, stable social order - which Iraq has anything but.

Look at Afghanistan and Pakistan. After four years, what has been accomplished there? Most honest observers will tell you that the situation there is far worse than before the war started in Iraq. Excuse me for bringing up a faith-based concept: "vengeance is mine, saith the Lord". Maybe there is a reason for this bit of scriptural advice. In a sweeping campaign of vengeance - under the ruberic of making the world safe from terrorists - the United States attacked Afghanistan and Iraq, and now threatens to attack Iran. And what has been accomplished? How has the quality of life improved anywhere on this wretched planet? How much closer than ever before are we to nuclear Armageddon?