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"state-based religion", not vice versa; by larouche

SUBJECT: STATE-BASED RELIGION
From Lyndon LaRouche
April 3, 2005 (7:13pm) EDT
The delusion is, that the array of pro-Bush religious fruitcake collection, built of a partnership, forged in large part by Billy Graham, between Jonathan Edwards/Darbyite Protestant fruitcakes and dark-age fascist, nominal Catholics, is not a lobby directed to influence government; it is a Bush- government-created state religion, created and deployed to impose a de facto dictatorship on the U.S.A.
Think of the Gallican churches of France's pro-Frondist Louis XIV and the mimickry of Louis by Napoleon Bonaparte's imperial state religion. Think of the Roman Empire's use of its Pantheon as a state religion, and the action by Constantine to make Christian bishops agents of Constantine's Pantheon. Think of the Venetian-Norman ultramontane empire founded upon the presumption of the fraudulent "Donation of Constantine" dogma. Think of Venice's use of the Habsburg faction it created, as an adjunct of Norman Anjou heritage, to launch the religious warfare of the 1492-1548 interval against the institution of the nation-state created by the Fifteenth-Century Renaissance of Christianity.


Think of the way in which the fascist right wing, organized under the banner of the Bush faction's new state religion, has been used to mobilize the African-American clergy around the Moonies' pioneering in introducing a right-wing system of state religion in which the "faith-based initiatives" are recruiting pastors who used to be civil-rights loyalists, creating a network of churches assembled thus to worship money.


Look at the unity of George Bernard Shaw's key role in creating the British fascist movement of Chesterton, et al., which produced the Distributists and the thundering nitwits of the Nashville Agrarian. Think of William Yandell Elliot, and of Brzezinski, Huntington, Kissinger, et al. Think of the American Enterprise Institute's Novak and its penetration of the Catholic parishes and religious orders of eastern Europe. Think of the effort by the Anglo-Americans, to intimidate the Catholic Church to abandon its resistance to that evil which was and is the Enlightenment: another case of the effort to impose state-based religion as an instrument of Anglo-American imperial tyranny.


The only way to defeat this religious guise for a new fascist movement is to expose it for what it is in fact, another (explicitly anti-constitutional) state-based religion.

www.larouchepac.com
oh fuck OFF 22.Apr.2005 20:20

Andrew

We don't need fascist movements, capitalizing on sensationalism of other fascist movements. You Larouche minions are a bunch of fucking fools. Oh yeah, I would suggest working on your debate abilities, but I think most of the larouche "solutions" are half lies and decieving. "Hey lets go back to the kind of economic system of Hamilton, it worked so well! it was the protectionism!".
"What about slavery?"
"uh, inconsiquential"

I'm going to slap the next fucking minion that approaches me.
You are all Nazi's

 http://www.publiceye.org/larouche/

protectionism equals slavery??? 23.Apr.2005 00:45

tom

andrew,

your argument is grossly simple and factually wrong. perhaps you were unfortunately educated by some free-trade loving/imf dick-sucking economist in the school system. i suggest you read hamilton's "on the subject of manufactures" and henry c. carey's "slave trade, foriegn and domestic" for truth and hope. these gentlemen prove scientificly that slavery, economicly (not to mention morally), is guaranteed a failure. their conclusion is frankly, optimistic, precisely the reason for their exclusion from economic courses across america and the world.
have a glass of wine and sit down with a good book. develop some rigor and look back at larouche. he's a good guy.

ps. people are good...

Lyndon LaRouche (aka Lyn Marcus) is a wack job 23.Apr.2005 16:51

Not interested

It is more than a little interesting that the only defense of Lyndon LaRouche on the pages of Indymedia comes from someone who thinks that labeling a critic as "dick-sucking" is an insult.

Go to the pages of Public Eye and discover just how homophobic and anti-woman these wackos are. Who will they find to replace LaRouche when he dies - which should be shortly. Former Cardinal Ratzinger is no longer available.

the public lie 23.Apr.2005 18:05

tom

have either of you read anything by larouche. sure, you've read plenty about larouche, but really...if what you're saying is an honest reaction to his writings, then consider dropping out of whatever school you're in and demand some respect for yourself.

honestly, you're wrong. larouche is organizing an alternative to the imf system, you know, the system you've protested in the streets against. the nafta, free-trade lovin' system.

wow 23.Apr.2005 20:46

Andrew

Um, yeah, about a 1000 intelectuals and ECONOMISTS have articulated the downfalls of a neoclassical free-market system, in fact it is a critique that is as old as capitalist markets. If you think that the first guy who reckonizes that there are a large numbers of people vehemenently opposed to the "free-market" or there edificifial edifices the IMF, the World Bank and the WTO) is original, a stand up guy to support you are a tool. He is a clever fascist who has hijacked a ideology of sorts. I have read his work, it is sensationalist blabber, regurgitated ideas and concepts spun off as his own.

"Grossly simplistic, factually wrong" you are fractionalizing good causes and not even knowing it.

Throwing your support to this guy who thinks that he (that is right 1 man, a egomaniac) is going to solve the problems of Capitalism you are grossly SIMPLIST, and FACTUALLY wrong, capitalism is everything, the commodity consumes everything, it is canabalizing your life right now. Larouche is not just a cruisading optimist, he knows he can not change anything, but those are not his intentions, his intentions are to grapple for power, use you to push him there, creating a base of support that is profoundly misdirected IS an essential tool for any fascist of fascist wannabe. He wants the "Hegemony of the Left"

Tom, shut the fuck up. You are a Larouch minion, you are a Brown shirt, go try to fool some reactionary ideological who doesn't know up from down. Here we know the only cure to capitalism and the effects are its actual demise, not false prophets.

Hey Tom 23.Apr.2005 20:57

with fire

Aren't you that inarticulate puppet that packs a lip full of chew while you try your best to fool people? I know who you are...

We keep tabs on all the fascists we can.

larouche: not just a big mouth 23.Apr.2005 22:57

tom

larouche's new bretton woods was called for by resolution in the italian parliment. john conyers (d-MI) attended our town hall meeting to initiate conversation within the democratic party about the new bretton woods. top senate leaders are meeting with us for extended periods to intiate a process of understanding economics, the american system.
goto www.larouchepub.com and check out the claims for yourself. check out the expose of the christian coalition. read something by larouche and respond to the ideas presented.

Bla bla bla, it doesn't MATTER 23.Apr.2005 23:38

Andrew

Hey the system has to take steps to self-sustain itself, but that doesn't make it legitamate. As far as cooperation with the Senate or Congress, well that is great, maybe the Democrats have realized the appeal of Larouch and his real ability to manipulate, I do admire it in a way, I bet so do the Demo's. However it is a real step to disinguish the messianic pretensions of political parties from their organizational and real interests: what they think they are, from what they actually are. The Republicans are the hammer that does most of the work for the system, the Democrats are the slight of hand that gives us the illusion of balance.

To try to legitamize Larouch through the eye's of the democrats is to me like the drug dealer who rationalizes for me the utility and legitamacy of taking 2 lbs of acid.

So leading Democrat leaders are helping you what... understand what it is going to take for the Democrats to save the hegemony of Capitalist ideology over society, that is the American system? Atleast the republicans are more honest about their intentions, although they and all of the other "Marketeers" are continually producing a reciprocal force by pushing it too far. But hey, go to those town hall meetings, nod your head, say "Yeah, I Totally agree!" "Fair TRADE!" Then get in your car, go home, go to sleep wake up, get in your car, go to work, work...., get in your car go home, go to sleep, wake up, go to work, go home, go to sleep, wake up, go to work, go home, sleep, work, sleep. sleep. sleep. work. sleep. slork. woeep. You are rational, you will this habit. Because you have to do it, you are controled, you will fortify this control, you have internalized it. Because you have to work to survive, you (we) are the commodity, you are the product, nothing more, nothingless. We can not escape this truism.
Anarchy, Socialism, anything thats fundemental effect is towards oblivion.

enough convoluted talk, I'm nuts and irational, and that is positive

andrew strikes truth 24.Apr.2005 01:15

tom

andrew, i agree with the following: " But hey, go to those town hall meetings, nod your head, say "Yeah, I Totally agree!" "Fair TRADE!" Then get in your car, go home, go to sleep wake up, get in your car, go to work, work...., get in your car go home, go to sleep, wake up, go to work, go home, go to sleep, wake up, go to work, go home, sleep, work, sleep. sleep. sleep. work. sleep. slork. woeep. You are rational, you will this habit. Because you have to do it, you are controled, you will fortify this control, you have internalized it. Because you have to work to survive, you (we) are the commodity, you are the product, nothing more, nothingless. We can not escape this truism."

yes, most folks involved in the dem party that wish to change it take part in the above mentioned behavior. they don't realise simply hoping change will occur won't do shit. it's true, being rational according to accepted modes of thought in the current system of acceptable thought won't enable escape from now to eternity. however, the question arises, how does one escape? consider something seemingly unrelated: imagine an economy based upon burning wood to provide heat for a variety of uses. consider what will happen to that society if it destroys peoples imaginations/creativity. suddenly, the society won't be able to discover a solution even though clearly the number of trees left in the surrounding area are almost gone. what is needed is a new IDEA! a new discovery of principle, perhaps the usefulness of coal. consider the dem party...most in the party can't think worth a shit. an obvious statement, i know, considering they managed to lose to dumbya twice. now, inject reason, a new idea into the party, and suddenly you have a chance.

the american system i'm talking about is not free trade capitalism that worships the money god. the american system has a totally different conception of people. hamilton in the first pages of his "on the subject of manufactures" states very clearly that the development of all human minds in an economy is its greatest resource. and he means it, not just some humans, or white humans, he means all humans. check it out yourself, because this blanket statement that capitalism is bad is an effect of fascist propaganda. it's not true and can be discovered relatively easily. the tragedy of our generation is the way in which our rage plays into the hands of cheney/schultz and co. development of our intellect will provide the means to duke it out in the realm of ideas and ensure the future will be ordered in accordance to what is best for all humans. i'm commited to that goal, because i know shultz is committed (and fighting) to destroy civilization. that's knowable.

asdf 24.Apr.2005 09:42

asfsa

I meant anarchy, socialism, are counter weights to the direction that capitalism pushes and pulls us