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Tansy Point Indian Village Bombarded by English Schooner

Proposed LNG site smack dab on Historical Indian Site Could it be designated Historical or reclaimed by Clatsop/Chinook Tribes? Does anyone know?
A little more about the Tansy Point Indians
It does not pay to be peaceful citizens and mind your own business. (see the story)


Celiast, whose christian name is Helen, is the daughter of Coboway (incorrectly written Commowool by Bancroft), and dates her birth in the year 1804. Her father was the chief of the Clatsops, a tribe whose boundaries extended from the mouth of the Columbia river southward to Ecahni Mountain (Carni), eastward thence to Swallalahost or Saddle Mountain, and thence by Young's river back to the Columbia. The Clatsops were a quite and peaceable people, having the same language as the more numerous tribe of the Chinooks. They were possessed of many arts and accomplishments, which, although of a different order from our own, betrayed no less the inventive genius and predominance of the human mind. Their houses, often sixty feet in length, and made of split cedar planks sometimes twenty feet long and three feet wide, the canoes hollowed from cedar trees by means of chisels and mallets, and steamed and strained to a greater width by means of a fire kindled in the hollow after the process of chipping out was nearly completed; the salmon seines made of wild flax threaded and twisted into chords; and lastly the clothing made of the skins of wild animals and of frizzled cedar bark, with elaborate ornamentations of shells, pebbles, quills, feathers, and later of beads, - were all specimens of industry, and o f ingenuity which would tax the skill and patience of the European. For some years before the birth of Celiast, the Clatsop Indians had carried on a trade with the passing ships fro strap and scrap iron, of which they made their chisels and knives and for beads. The traders of Astoria still later supplied them with cloths, and to some extend with firearms.
Coboway, chief of this people, held his title as did the chiefs of the most of the native races, - by virtue of his intelligence and activity. He was a faithful and honest man, of much service to Lewis and Clarke, and was intrusted by them with the certificate announcing their arrival and wintering at the mouth of the Columbia; and this document, as by request the chief delivered to the captain of the first vessel entering the harbor. Among other duties of the Indian chief was the delivering of the stories, legends and beliefs of the tribe to his successors; and from her father the young Indian girl learned all the myths of Ecahni, Tallapus and Old Thunder with the faiths and maxims of the tribe delivered as they were in rhythmic language with vivid narratives. From the regular and clearly carved features, the lofty brow and large expressive eyes of this now venerable woman of more than eighty years, we may suppose that in her youth she was of unusual beauty. Soon after reaching womanhood, in accordance with the custom of the Hudson's Bay Company, she was sought and married by one of the employés of the organization, a Frenchman by the name of Porier, the baker at Fort George or Astoria. She bore him three children, and in the removal to Vancouver in 1824 accompanied him thither.
It was during her residence at the latter point that there occurred an event which must have been exceedingly distressing to her feelings. This was the bombardment of the Indian village at Tansy Point by a British schooner. The sanguinary affair was brought about as a result of the wreck of the bark William and Ann at the Columbia bar, and a difficulty in obtaining the wreckage. This was one of the few occasions upon which McLoughlin showed severity; and his course has been justified on the ground that the Indians had murdered the crews of the vessel. This charge has, however, ever been earnestly denied by the remnants of the Clatsop Indians; and it seems hardly just to let it stand without their protest and explanation. By their account, and indeed by all authentic records, the William and Ann, in company with the American schooner Convoy, Captain Thompson, sought to enter the river late in the day, in the month of February or early in March (the month of smelt). The schooner was in the lead, and passed safely into Baker's Bay; but the bark missed the channel and struck on the middle sands, holding fast. A boat from the schooner, as appears from the accounts of a sailor of the Convoy, attempted to go to the relief of the unfortunate crew; but the wind rising brought them into peril, and compelled them to return without reaching the bark. During the night the William and Ann went to pieces; and, as the Indians said, the crew were drowned. The Convoy went up the river bearing the tidings; and in due time a boat party came from Vancouver to investigate the wreck. They found no trace of the crew; but much of the cargo was in possession of the Indians. among other effects of the ship was a boat with the oars, found in the hands of a sub-chief of the Clatsops. This Indian declared that he found it floating in Young Bay. He moreover incited the others, and confirmed them in their intention to retain the wreckage which they had gathered, all but one of the Indians refusing to give up any of the property. Upon pressure and threats from the English, the saucy chief produced a small, decrepit, bail dipper, and said that he would send it (with his respects) to the chief factor. This ultimatum carried back to Vancouver brought as a response an armed schooner, which shelled the village, and from which an assault was made; and the recalcitrant chief, with two of his men, was killed. The village was also ransacked for the lost goods, and generally pillaged. The bombardment, which occurred, not upon the loss of the crew, but two months later upon the refusal of the Indians to give up the plunder, seems to have had an adequate cause, not in the belief of the English that the crew had been murdered, but that it was dangerous to allow any Indians to hold their old view that they might call their own anything that they found or that came from the ocean; but that the property of the English was everywhere sacred, and must be given up on demand.
Using Indians' despair for your own ends 15.Apr.2005 01:13

Disgusting

This kind of crap really pisses me off! Great DRAMA! A real tear jerker, as if you care about the clan that lived at Tansy Point and were of the Clatsop tribe of the Chinook Nation.

If you have to ask if someone of that clan or if the Clatsops or if the Chinook can reclaim it or should reclaim it then you obviously haven't been interested enough in the Indian's problems or concerns for the last quarter of a century and using them now that YOU are loosing YOUR land (or its value or your way of life) is disgusting. Do you even know if the village was located at the same site where LNG terminals are proposing to be? Do you even know what a Clatsop villiage looked like or consisted of? Of course not, nor do you care.

This is just so pathetic. Clatsop County hasn't cared for its indigenous people in the least until their comfortable middle class way of life is threatened and then suddenly its, "Oh, don't the Indians have a right to this land before an LNG company does?" Yeah, when it was Aunt Fanny's back yard then the Indians sure weren't invited to see if they have a claim to it! If the Indians started the process of fighting for it and tied the land up in courts for years until the LNG "pirates" went away, you all would be cheering for the Indians to lose and let the land revert, once again, back to the "people" to be rented out by the government until someone you didn't want tried to rent it and then you could just whip out the Indian card.

YOU ARE PATHETIC! Trying to play on the Clatsop's despair is about as low as you can get. GO PIRATES, put in the LNGs.

If a Clatsop canoe paddle was found in your backyard would you give up your home? Are you willing to allow it to be excavated to look for a tribal or clan site? ALL of the land belonged to the Clatsops, and other tribes of the Chinook Nation for that matter, from Tillamook to The Dalles. ALL OF IT, not just the pieces YOU don't want or don't want to fall into "undesirable" hands, (weren't Indians once considered "undesirable"?). Are you willing to give it all up, or are you just helping the Indians to another public screwing?

You know my heart? 15.Apr.2005 08:33

Snowed

Were begging for help and loopholes. If you don't care about what's happening to the Lower Columbia, then just say so.

Now we're the Indians 15.Apr.2005 15:48

flattened

For the apologist for the corporate conmen and their government sponsors who are looking to lock down the Columbia River--you be right. There hasn't been a lot of sympathy for the Chinooks by those who occupied the area and killed them off. And perhaps the most evolutionarily karmic event that could take place would be the destruction of the Columbia River system and its conversion into the LNG hub for the West Coast. I'll bet the old Chinooks would be happy about that development, huh?

Any suggestions about how we can work to redeem our destrcutive ways and learn to build a better world? Is striving for justice just a fucked-up, bourgeoise pastime?

Be just about it then 16.Apr.2005 02:58

calling you to account

Strive for justice all you want, leave those people for whom you have never given a rats ass of consideration out of it. Don't you get it, Clatsops aren't dead, these people still live and you using them to get something you want is WRONG, unless you are willing to give them EVERYTHING that is theirs. MANY, MANY clans and tribes of the Chinook Nation still exist, whether the US Government recognizes them or not, and using them in this manner is dehumanizing, almost even worse then not seeing them at all. Its inhumane.

Its not striving for justice to get what you want at the expense of another group of deprived people.

I am not denying you your right to be upset about something you feel fearful about. I cringe at your disregard for the feelings of your brothers and sisters who live amongst you, the Clatsops.

They are not "all dead" open your eyes, they are all around you. Dick Basch is a Clatsop, Joe Scovell is the chair of the Clatsop-Nehalem Confederated Tribes. If you really care, contact one of them and really make a contribution to the tribes.

If you are too focused on being in "survival" mode then your pirates have already won. They have consumed your life until it revolves around them. Do you think that their lives revolve around you? Do you want it to?

What to do about LNG companies renting property in your town? What can be done at this point? When you get your information "out there" what is it that you are wanting people to do with it? What is their role? Do you want people laying down in front of machinary? Say that. If you want the Indians to protest it, then out and out have the courtesy to ASK THEM.

What is it that you want? What action do you want to take place? What end result to you see happening and what will it take to get there?

DIG? 16.Apr.2005 13:05

Lex Luther

Tansy Point is a historic landmark; this is where 19 tribes signed their land over to the white man.
Tansy Point was the main village of the Clatsop Indians.
Tansy Point is going to be dug out and replaced with giant underground Lng tanks.
Since there is so much history at this site, should the Clatsop/Chinook Indians, at the very least, be allowed a full archeological dig?

Hey you! Using Indians Despair 16.Apr.2005 14:50

Tryan Hartill oc4sure@hotmail.com

Since you say put in the LNG, give us some reasons why:

Is it because you want cheaper gas? (sorry it's all headed for California)

Is it because you want your power rates to rise? (The LNG is for gas fired power plants in California and this power will compete with Bonniville's causing all of Oregon to spend more on power)

Is it it because you want Homeland Security to own the last 6 miles of the Columbia River?

Is it because you want tie up the river and piss off the shipping companies that handle Oregon's exports?

Is it because you are a Commercial fishermen advocate and you think the only time they should use the river is whenever Homeland Security says they can?

Is it because you only live once and there is no need to save Earth's energy, it must be used NOW?

Is it that you think large compainies should be able to make over a million bucks a day in profit from a Columbia LNG terminal, but only give 40 cents(at most)per day to each Clatsop County resident?

Is it that you like the letters LLC after the name of your local LNG company, so if anything goes wrong, the citizens of Clatsop County are responsoble for the mess?

It's best for you to do some research, to back up those words, "GO PIRATES, put in LNG"

I did the research calpine resistance 17.Apr.2005 21:01

disgusting

I have done considerable research on the Chinook Nation as well as some of the tribes and a few of the clans that are comprised therein. I did a little research into your resistance movement and the forum where you post. Looks like members of your group have posted a few other times on Indy as well, each time getting offended when questioned or offered advice, which you all asked for but didn't really want unless it was agreeable or easy.

"Lex" How do you know that Tansy Point was the "main village" of the Clatsops? What does that term even mean, in the context of Tansy Point and indigenous people of the Pac NW? You are trying to give a European term and concept to an Indian culture, and it doesn't even fit and never did exist.

Hartill/Calpine Resistance: Googled your name. Your a golfer on top of a wannabe activist. Atleast you have the descency to acknowledge that your letter was a weak attempt to get people to notice what may happen on the Columbia River. "Someone posted a very weak Indian/anti-LNG letter of mine on Indy. We can do much better. Almost anyone else on this site, including me, can write a much better post than that. If we are trying to get people around the State Oregon on our side, the next post to Indy needs to be much, much better."

You'd be a better activist if you'd quit being such a whiner and just answer people's questions. Your the one that brought your plight here. Your the one with the obligation to do the convincing.

Questions 18.Apr.2005 08:35

Tryan Hartill oc4sure@hotmail.com

What are people's questions?
What is a wannabe activist?
Do you want to help our cause?
Right now, we want to start making bio-diesel for future (huge) profits
We need help from all of Oregon.
Lng is terrible for Oregon's economy and future.

Creeps on the Columbia 20.Apr.2005 23:35

let 'er blow

Are you the misogynsitic asshole that runs that blog in Astoria?
www.bridgecity.homestead.com
If that is representing who we would have to work with to save your area from an LNG the hell with it, let it blow. Your just a bunch of white asshole men that denigrade womyn and indians. you don't know how to treat anyone do you?

Hey let blow 22.Apr.2005 15:29

TH oc4sure@hotmail.com

You obviously don't do any research before you post.
If you did, you would learn that I am not the owner of the website, nor have I ever met him.
You would also know that a woman degraded me on the forum just days ago, and I said I would not respond.

The Indian story is also a bit different than you think.
We were talking about the Indians on Tansy Point and I found that piece in an old online book, it was very interesting for me, so I thought everyone would want to read it. After I posted it, someone copied it and sent it to Indy, the headings were added to take it totally out of context.
Also, I could say the same thing about degrading women on any site, the only difference is, that we have the guts to put our names down, that is the only way anyone would know if a "White man" degrads a woman, on a blog.
I don't degrade women and the moderater only degrads assholes, whether it is a woman or not.
Grow UP!

Help 04.Oct.2005 20:03

Jalyin

I am like so confused.. Like Whats goin on here???? hey i jus ran across this while tryinn to do a project about the Chinook Indians. I think there...O.K. so was all the hating for?