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Mossad - The Israeli Connection To 911; Odigo in Mossad "home town" in Israel, more

I think this is a nice summary of the criminals in charge. And some interesting points I didn't know like:

1. "Odigo, like many Israeli software companies, is based and has its Research and Development (R&D) center in Herzliya, Israel, the small town north of Tel Aviv, which happens to be where Mossad's headquarters are located."

2. and RICHARD LAUDER: "[The cosmetics magnate Ronald S. Lauder], president of the Jewish National Fund and former chairman of New York Governor George Pataki's Commission on Privatization, is the key individual who pushed the privatization of the WTC and former Stewart Air Force Base, where the flight paths of the two planes that hit the twin towers oddly converged [in upstate New York before finding their way to the two different Towers]. [Thus it is presumed] Ronald Lauder played a significant, albeit unreported, role in the preparation for 9/11."

3. And was Ptech a Mossad cut-out company? "Oussama Ziade, a Lebanese Muslim immigrant who came to the U.S. in 1985, founded Ptech in 1994. But the company's original manager of marketing and information systems was Michael S. Goff, whose PR firm, Goff Communications, currently represents Guardium, a Mossad-linked software company. And Goff comes from a well-to-do line of Jewish Masons who have belonged to Worcester's Commonwealth Lodge 600 of B'nai Brith for decades. So, why would a recently graduated Juris Doctor in Law leave a promising law career to join forces with a Lebanese Muslim's upstart company sponsored with dodgy funders in Saudi Arabia?"
Ladies and Gentleman, I bring you President Sharon
Ladies and Gentleman, I bring you President Sharon
Mossad - The Israeli Connection To 911
By Christopher Bollyn
Exclusive to American Free Press
4-14-2005


U.S. investigators and the controlled media have ignored a preponderance of evidence pointing to Israel's intelligence agency, the Mossad, being involved in the terror attacks of 9/11.

From the very morning aircraft smashed into the World Trade Center (WTC) and the Pentagon, news reports have indicated Israeli intelligence being involved in the events of 9/11 - and the planting of "false flags" to blame Arab terrorists and mold public opinion to support the pre-planned "war on terror."

Shortly after the destruction of the twin towers, radio news reports described five "Middle Eastern men" being arrested in New Jersey after having been seen videotaping and celebrating the explosive "collapses" of the WTC.

These men, from a phony moving company in Weehawken, N.J., turned out to be agents of Israeli military intelligence, Mossad. Furthermore, their "moving van" tested positive for explosives.

Dominic Suter, the Israeli owner of Urban Moving Systems, the phony "moving company," fled in haste, or was allowed to escape, to Israel before FBI agents could interrogate him. The Israeli agents were later returned to Israel on minor visa violations.

The Assistant Attorney General in charge of criminal investigations at the time was Rabbi Michael Chertoff, the current head of the Dept. of Homeland Security. Chertoff, the son of the first hostess of Israel's national air carrier, El Al, is thought to be an Israeli national.

One of the Israeli agents later told Israeli radio that they had been sent to "document the event" - the event which took the lives of some 3,000 Americans.

Despite the fact that the Israelis arrested in New Jersey evidently had prior knowledge or were involved in the planning of 9/11, the U.S. mainstream media has never even broached the question of Israeli complicity in the attacks.

ISRAELIS FOREWARNED

On September 12, 2001, the Internet edition of The Jerusalem Post reported, "The Israeli foreign ministry has collected the names of 4,000 Israelis believed to have been in the areas of the World Trade Center and the Pentagon at the time of the attack."

Yet only one Israeli was killed at the WTC and two were reportedly killed on the "hijacked" aircraft.

Although a total of three Israeli lives were reportedly lost on 9/11, speechwriters for President George W. Bush grossly inflated the number of Israeli dead to 130 in the president's address to a joint session of Congress on September 20, 2001.

The fact that only one Israeli died at the WTC, while 4,000 Israelis were thought to have been at the scene of the attacks on 9/11 naturally led to a widespread rumor, blamed on Arabic sources, that Israelis had been forewarned to stay away that day.

"Whether this story was the origin of the rumor," Bret Stephens, the Post's editor-in-chief wrote in 2003, "I cannot say. What I can say is that there was no mistake in our reporting."

ODIGO INSTANT MESSAGES

Evidence that Israelis had been forewarned several hours before the attacks surfaced at an Israeli instant messaging service, known as Odigo. This story, clear evidence of Israeli prior knowledge, was reported only briefly in the U.S. media - and quickly forgotten.

At least two Israel-based employees of Odigo received warnings of an imminent attack in New York City more than two hours before the first plane hit the WTC. Odigo had its U.S. headquarters two blocks from the WTC. The Odigo employees, however, did not pass the warning on to the authorities in New York City, a move that could have saved thousands of lives.

Odigo has a feature called People Finder that allows users to seek out and contact others based on certain demographics, such as Israeli nationality.

Two weeks after 9/11, Alex Diamandis, Odigo's vice president, reportedly said, "It was possible that the attack warning was broadcast to other Odigo members, but the company has not received reports of other recipients of the message."

The Internet address of the sender was given to the FBI, and two months later it was reported that the FBI was still [squashing the] investigating [of] the matter. There have been no media reports since.

Odigo, like many Israeli software companies, is based and has its Research and Development (R&D) center in Herzliya, Israel, the small town north of Tel Aviv, which happens to be where Mossad's headquarters are located.

Shortly after 9/11, Odigo was taken over by Comverse Technology, another Israeli company. Within a year, five executives from Comverse were reported to have profited by more than $267 million from "insider trading."

Through Israeli "venture capital" (VC) investment funds, Mossad spawns and sponsors scores of software companies currently doing business in the United States. These Israel-based companies are sponsored by Mossad funding sources such as Cedar Fund, Stage One Ventures, Veritas Venture Partners, and others.

As one might expect, the portfolios of these Mossad-linked funding companies contain only Israeli-based companies, such as Odigo.

Reading through the strikingly similar websites of these Israeli "VC" funds and their portfolio companies, one can't help but notice that the key "team" players share a common profile and are often former members of "Israel's Intelligence Corps" and veterans of the R&D Department of the Israel Air Force or another branch of the military. Most are graduates of Israel's "Technion" school in Haifa, Mossad's Interdisciplinary Center (IDC) in Herzliya, or a military program for software development.

The IDC, a private, non-profit university, is closely tied to the Mossad. The IDC has a "research institute" headed by Shabtai Shavit, former head of the Mossad from 1989 to 1996, called the International Policy Institute for Counter-Terrorism.

The IDC also has a "Marc Rich Center for the Study of Commodities, Trading and Financial Markets" and a "Lauder School of Government, Diplomacy and Strategy."

The cosmetics magnate Ronald S. Lauder, who is a supporter of Israel's Prime Minister Ariel Sharon and his far-right Likud Party, founded the Lauder school.

Lauder, president of the Jewish National Fund and former chairman of New York Governor George Pataki's Commission on Privatization, is the key individual who pushed the privatization of the WTC and former Stewart AFB, where the flight paths of the two planes that hit the twin towers oddly converged. Ronald Lauder played a significant, albeit unreported, role in the preparation for 9/11.

Pataki's wife, Libby, has been on Lauder's payroll since at least 2002 and reportedly earned $100,000 as a consultant in 2004. According to The Village Voice, between 1994 and 1998, Gov. Pataki earned some $70,000 for speaking to groups affiliated with Lauder.

THE PTECH CUTOUT

Ptech, a mysterious software company has been tied with the events of 9/11. The Quincy, Massachusetts-based company was supposedly connected to "the Muslim Brotherhood" and Arab financiers of terrorism.

The firm's suspected links with terrorism resulted in a consensual examination by the FBI in December 2002, which was immediately leaked to the media.

The media reports of the FBI "raid" on Ptech soon led to the demise of the company.

Ptech "produced software that derived from PROMIS, had an artificial intelligence core, and was installed on virtually every computer system of the U.S. government and its military agencies on September 11, 2001," according to Michael Ruppert's From the Wilderness (FTW) website.

"This included the White House, Treasury Dept. (Secret Service), Air Force, FAA, CIA, FBI, both houses of Congress, Navy, Dept. of Energy, IRS, Booz Allen Hamilton, IBM, Enron and more," FTW reported.

"Whoever plotted 9/11 definitely viewed the FAA as the enemy that morning. Overriding FAA systems would be the most effective way to ensure the attacks were successful," FTW reported. "To do this, the FAA needed an evolution of PROMIS software installed on their systems and Ptech was just that; the White House and Secret Service had the same software on their systems - likely a superior modified version capable of 'surveillance and intervention' systems."

But did the U.S. government unwittingly load software capable of "surveillance and intervention" operations and produced by a company linked to terrorism onto its most sensitive computer networks, or was Ptech simply a Mossad "cutout" company?

Oussama Ziade, a Lebanese Muslim immigrant who came to the U.S. in 1985, founded Ptech in 1994. But the company's original manager of marketing and information systems was Michael S. Goff, whose PR firm, Goff Communications, currently represents Guardium, a Mossad-linked software company.

And Goff comes from a well-to-do line of Jewish Masons who have belonged to Worcester's Commonwealth Lodge 600 of B'nai Brith for decades. So, why would a recently graduated Juris Doctor in Law leave a promising law career to join forces with a Lebanese Muslim's upstart company sponsored with dodgy funders in Saudi Arabia?

"As information systems manager [for Ptech], Michael handled design, deployment and management of its Windows and Macintosh, data, and voice networks," Goff's website says. "Michael also performed employee training and handled all procurement for software, systems and peripherals."

AFP asked Goff, who left the Worcester law firm of Seder & Chandler in 1994, how he wound up working at Ptech. "Through a temp agency," Goff said. Asked for the name of the agency, Goff said he could not remember.

Could it be Mossad Temps, or maybe Sayan Placement Agency?

Goff, the original marketing manager for Ptech software, said he did not know who had written the code that Ptech sold to many government agencies. Is this believable?

Goff leaves a legal practice in his home town to take a job, through a temp agency, with a Lebanese Muslim immigrant who is selling software, and he doesn't know who even wrote the code?

AFP contacted the government agencies that reportedly have Ptech software on their computers, and IBM, to ask if they could identify who had written the source code of the Ptech software.

By press time, only Lt. Commander Ron Steiner of the U.S. Navy's Naval Network Warfare Command had responded. Steiner said he had checked with an analyst and been told that none of the Ptech software has been approved for the Navy's enterprise networks.

Finis

no more 14.Apr.2005 21:42

ofthiscrap

The whole Israeli employee evacuation theory is false, stop posting this crap, thanks. To all other citizens of Indymedia i suggest a brief denouncment when things such as this are posted.

"It's very good," 1st words of ex-Israeli PM Netanyahu, on 9-11... 14.Apr.2005 22:08

more

Odigo issue is not false. Odigo/Mossad in same hometown is not false either!

The Odigo story was even appearing in Israeli media. And only a handful of Israeli citizens did die in the WTCs.

Hell, if you are even slightly informed, you know that only a handful of all people and all nationalities turned up for work at the WTC on 9/11/01. However, only three Israelis is a seriously low number--particularly when BushLie attempted to stress that 130 died in the "attacks". Which by that speech after 9-11, his whole ZioMafia staff already knew that was a lie.


The Five Dancing Israelis Arrested On 9/11

On the day of the 9-11 attacks, former Israeli Prime Minister Benjamin Netanyahu was asked what the attack would mean for US-Israeli relations. His quick reply was: "It's very good... ... .Well, it's not good, but it will generate immediate sympathy (for Israel)"

A Mossad surveillance team made quite a public spectacle of themselves on 9-11.

The men set up cameras by the Hudson River and trained them on the twin towers.

Police received several calls from angry New Jersey residents claiming "middle-eastern" men with a white van were videotaping the disaster with shouts of joy and mockery.

"They were like happy, you know ... They didn't look shocked to me" said a witness.

[T]hey were seen by New Jersey residents on Sept. 11 making fun of the World Trade Center ruins and going to extreme lengths to photograph themselves in front of the wreckage.

Witnesses saw them jumping for joy in Liberty State Park after the initial impact. Later on, other witnesses saw them celebrating on a roof in Weehawken, and still more witnesses later saw them celebrating with high fives in a Jersey City parking lot.

"It looked like they're hooked in with this. It looked like they knew what was going to happen when they were at Liberty State Park." ...for the rest of the story...

 http://www.whatreallyhappened.com/fiveisraelis.html


"...it is only a matter of time before suicide bombers will terrorize your cities." --Former Israeli prime minister Binyamin Netanyahu, now Sharon's emissary to the US Congress, Capitol Hill, April 10, 2002. What does he know?
"It's very good... ... ," Netanyahu said of 9-11...
Netanyahu
Netanyahu

No Friend of Zionists 15.Apr.2005 03:08

But

Mossad is headquartered in Tel Aviv, not Herzliya, and even if it were, such "proof" of a connection between it and Odigo is nothing more than "guilt" by geographic association.

And, besides being wrong about the 130 Israeli deaths at the WTC, Bush also erroneously said that dozens of Pakistanis and 250 Indians also died there.

The fact of the matter is that a lot of Jews did die at the WTC on 911. Shouldn't a "warning" have gone out to them, as well?

Postings like this one are meant to inflame rather than inform. And, some people like to blur the distinction between anti-semitism and anti-Zionism. They are not the same thing, except in the minds of narrow-minded bigots.

Mossad attacked on 911 with U.S. ProZionist Official Help 15.Apr.2005 04:57

researcher

In yesterday's www.worldnetdaily.com Aaron Klein reports that EU is calling Hamas, "freedom fighters."Mr. Sharon is reacting to this negative attention and U.S. pressure by trying to create a Palestinian state in Gaza, so that the Zionist" war on terrorism," war on Israelis neighbors, will continue, not withdraw, as there are so many rumors The US wants to pull out troops from Iraq. He's trying to buy time to get a US draft going, so the US will effectively help fight Iran.



Israel's had no reservations in sacrificing its own citizens in the past, the Israelis who dressed as Arabs not only killed British rulers, but also Israeli citizens. Israel also killed American allies in their attack on the U.S. Liberty.



Sharon thinks he can buy off the settlers with compensation, as Israel did with the survivors of the Liberty murders. Congress never investigated the case, nor demanded further explanation from Israel, despite the fact that Israelis have admitted to trying to sink the ship.



Given the fact that "terrorist" was coined by the British press to refer to the Israelis who dressed up as Arabs and bombed the King David hotel and given the long history of Mossad and Zionists even turning against their own allies (US Liberty) for the sake of the Israeli State I can understand Hamas saying they're freedom fighters, and that Israeli carried out 911.



After studying the evidence I agree with them. Two books  link to www.the7thfire.com pieces the puzzle together, by showing how there were active Mossad agents in this country then, and many false flag operations. Other 200 Mossad agents were found with explosives in the Mexican Parliament, some with videos of the Sears Towers, some with nuclear U.S. Power plant plans, some posing as art students checking out Defense buildings.



Other glaring in discrepancies of the official 911 version ::Attars' passport was stolen and found blocks away from the Towers, the extremely impossible behavior of the "doubles in Florida, and Las Vegas, the demolition of building 7 by its owner Silverstein, the warnings to Odgio and only three deaths of Israelis in the disaster, one of which David Levin , a member of Israel's top commando team, as a cover to throw suspicion away from Israel, shot with a gun brought through Logan airport owned by Israeli businessmen. The Pentagon was hit (probably a missile, (see for yourself the photographs in this book and on other 911 sites), to cover Pentagon involvement, no stand down action, the fact FEMA was in NY the night before, the put options showing somebody knew in Israel.



The site,  http://www.antichristconspiracy.com/HTML%20Pages/AntichristConspiracyHTML.htm explains how infiltrated the government is with pro Zionist leaders. These 200 found Israeli Mossad agents were deported with the help of Michael Chertoff, an American with dual citizenship, born to Israeli parents. 7 of the so called highjackers from Saudi Arabia are alive. Someone else was doing this, someone who knew about remote control, and these planes were guided to their targets. Then the trade center was demolished with controlled demolitions and the evidence carted off pdq to do away with the evidence, by another Israeli company.

Other cases lead support, the imprisonment of Lt.

Veerland, the Navy Lt who wrote down most of the attack sites three weeks before it happened, stating he didn't think Bin Laden was responsible, but "our brothers in faith." He noted the World Trade Center, Pentagon, Sears Towers?, Malaysia, Haidar among others.

Given the sex scandal of child abuse in Washington, many Congressmen and many higher ups in the administration, might have traded their votes and loyalties out of fear of blackmail. This even included the former President Bush. And how do you explain their perversion to visit Bohemian Grove and go through rituals like "The cremation of care"? Donning hoods and robes the elite jetsetters burn a body to throw away their cares before a tall Owl Statute. What about Trance Formation in America? All fiction?



All this was very convenient for Plans already under way to attack Afghanistan and Iraq. By duping Americans into fighting Moslems the Washington heads now have a green light to achieve Full Spectrum Dominance = World Control.



Zionists and Jesuits have entered into a plan to make Jerusalem the city of the earthly ruler, and Zionists may yet even double cross American interests by creating another financial depression through the manipulation of the privately owned Federal reserve banks who pay for the printing of money and then lend it back to the U.S. and other governments, thereby driving up the national debt, and through calling in foreign debtors to demand collateral, Western lands, signed by President Nixon)or carry out attacks to get American Jews to move back to Israel and having the President imitate martial law in this land.



They've placed the expansion of the State of Israel higher that the religion they profess. History shows the Mossad will kill innocent people, even their own.



The recent Tsunami may have prematurely started with a nuclear device, thereby getting rid of millions of their enemies, even Veerland's note mentions Malaysia. He's now locked up in solitary confinement for child prostitution charges in Colorado and his interview notes says he knows some people who knew George Bush personally.



Knowing Ariel Sharon blocked the escape of thousands in a massacre in the state of Israeli's interest, it's not impossible he'd ok the Mossad to act by deception to draw America in to fight Israel's greatest enemies( as it did in WW1. and WW2) We're now being told by him something has to be done about Iran. Latest I've read, a business man, Sarfraz Haidar was killed for selling 6 Russian KH-55 cruise missiles to Iran. These missiles are said to have a nuclear 200 killoton warhead and can travel 3000 kilometers.

about Zionist complicity: Zim International vacates WTCs 15.Apr.2005 14:34

add it in

Another point that has slipped off the collective 'map' of 9-11 is that the shipper/trader organization, Zim International, broke its lease in the days before 9-11. It vacated rather quickly.

What is interesting about Zim International is that it is a corporation half owned by the Israeli Government.

Another point that is interesting is that despite the cover being "rent was high," why loose $40,000 right then and there for breaking your lease? And is money really all that important when you are half owned by a subsidy-based state like the State of Israel?

And as far as I can read, there is nothing "inflaming" in the original post except THE TRUTH.


EIGHT OTHER ZIONIST/MOSSAD SIGNS OF THEIR IMPLEMENTATION OF STRIKES OF 9-11


just grouping the posts: more here:

1. ISRAELIS were 9-11 short sale stock buyers, betting on WTC terror strikes, story killed...
00:40 Apr-11 (19 comments)
 http://portland.indymedia.org/en/2005/04/315296.shtml

2. Israel Honors Lavon Affair Terrorists Who Attacked U.S. in '54, attempted to blame "Arabs"
21:20 Apr-03 (2 comments)
 http://portland.indymedia.org/en/2005/04/314824.shtml

3. 9-11 False Flag Operation
author: Vicky
Link to a video This is a must see video.
"9/11 is an _Expression of a Deep and Abiding Crisis in the Capitalist
World Order: 9/11 a CIA- MOSSAD False Flag Operation," by Ralph Schoenman
911 PEOPLE'S INQUIRY SF, 2004, www.globalresearch.ca 18 February 2005
The URL of this article is:
 http://globalresearch.ca/articles/SCH502A.html CLICK TO VIEW VIDEO
 http://portland.indymedia.org/en/2005/02/312329.shtml

4. newswire article reposts united states 11.Feb.2005 18:39
9.11 investigation
DID ISRAEL ATTACK THE UNITED STATES WITH CHERTOFF'S AID?
author: Phillip Yardley
It is a little known, but historical fact that Israel has attacked the United States several times. Yet, we now know that our New Homeland Security Chief helped Israel to do so.
 http://portland.indymedia.org/en/2005/02/310503.shtml

5. newswire article coverage united states 11.Feb.2005 18:24
9.11 investigation
NEW HOMELAND SECURITY CHIEF IN ALLIANCE WITH 9-11 TERRORIST
author: Dr. David Duke
There is hard, factual evidence that Michael Chertoff, the new Homeland Security Chief, has ties with the financiers of 9-11.
As incredible as this news may seem, it has now been revealed that the nominee of President Bush for the new Secretary of Homeland Security, Michael Chertoff, has ties with a man suspected of financing the 911 attacks, Dr. Magdy Elamir. There is also convincing evidence that Chertoff as head of the Criminal Division of the U.S. Justice Department shielded this financier of 911 from prosecution in a terrorist case.
 http://portland.indymedia.org/en/2005/02/310501.shtml

6. newswire article reposts united states 11.Dec.2004 05:05
9.11 investigation
Silverstein admits PRE-RIGGING WTC7 to "pull it" on 9-11; & 1 BLOCK OVER,collects insur.?!
author: pink elephant in the room watch
Price of false cover story on 9-11 getting bigger and bigger...as it frays thinner and thinner.
 http://portland.indymedia.org/en/2004/12/305694.shtml

7. newswire article announcements global 10.Nov.2004 06:43
9.11 investigation | media criticism | police / legal
Censored Fox News series available: MOSSAD trails/helps[?] false flag terrorists of 9-11
author: repost
Fox News Series On Israeli Spying NOW AVAILABLE INSTEAD OF ORIGINALLY CENSORED AFTER 9-11-01.
To rewrite history, the 4 part series that aired in December 2001 was even removed from Fox News so-called archives!
However, the documentary is still available from another source, below:
 http://portland.indymedia.org/en/2004/11/302926.shtml
and
FASCINATING THAT FOX NEWS EVEN HAD THIS WEBSITE REMOVE CARL CAMERON'S STORY, EH?
 http://www.whatreallyhappened.com/spyring.html

8. and #8, The Zim International issue

crap- and lots of it 15.Apr.2005 18:46

c m schaefer

This inflammatory rumour has been going around for years now. Some researchers say that 9/11 was originally planned for 9/18- which, 2001, was Rosh Hashannah(Jewish new year), so most Jews would indeed not have been at work anywhere, never mind the WTC. It has been put forth that this plan was laid out so that just such rumours would be spread, but that, due to some glitch, it had to be pulled off early and so we have 9/11 instead of 9/18. Too bad we still have the new blood libel.

In any event- check out the lists of the dead and you will see many a Jew.

Also- even most Jews in Israel do not support the oppression of he Palestinians. They, like the US, are held captive by a theocratic bully elite. It's just much much *MUCH* worse for the Palestinians than it is for anybody here.

Why was FOX forced to remove the peice? Because even they recognized the lie. Astounding.

Do yourself and the world a favour and don't cave into racism.

select Israelis and others guilty for 9-11 despite the spin 15.Apr.2005 21:26

me

"Do yourself and the world a favour and don't cave into racism."

Empty statement: you are the one throwing that empty card around. plus, you introduce something that was not even mentioned above, and then "discredit" it. there's nothing about what you said above, you dumb fool.

How do you do it?

besides, the only racism i see is from neo-fascists presently in dominiation of the state of israel toward the palistinians.

and besides, it is very likely that the whole framework of 9-11 was planned as early as 1976, and it had nothing at the time to do with israel--and it was planned by then CIA Director George H. W. Bush who should be immediately with his son be taken in for custody:


US DoD McNiven RICO SUIT! BUSH SENIOR, CIA head, & his 1976 state terror plan to hit WTCs!
06:18 Mar-20 (16 comments)
 http://portland.indymedia.org/en/2005/03/313859.shtml

and for the 2001 9-11 events, look if israelis are guilty and complicity in 9-11, they are guilty! period. there is nothing spin like you can do to remove that fact. and there is so much information that leads to the easy conclusion that the only people who would really benefit from 9-11 were traitors in the U.S. and select groups of the Israeli government.

THE U.S. TRAITORS AND ISRAEL DID 9-11. AN ENTIRE PLANET IS AWARE OF THIS, MR. WINSTON SMITH, SORRY YOU DON'T GET IT.

Don't know why I bother with small minds 16.Apr.2005 08:43

C M Schaefer

Sorry you're so into conspiracy theories that you are not open to the possibility of Israel NOT being involved. A Tip, though- Zionism does not equal Judaism. That's where my charge of racism comes in. Most Jews do not agree with Sharon, et al, even as most Americans do not agree with Bush et al.

Also sorry that you're into name-calling. Very mature.

Also sorry that I didn't just restrain myself and heed the advice of the first poster. Oh, well, time wasted is time never got back.

PS- not everything that makes it into a book is fact- Anne Coulter has quite a bit of press, too.

How do I do it? With an OPEN mind.

anti-proof? 17.Apr.2005 13:57

C M Schaefer

I do try to be nice.

The part that *sounds* (reads) anti-semetically is the lie of "no Jews" dying in the WTC- which has been proven over and over to not be the case. It infers a connection between Zionism and Judaism per se. Not all Zionists are Jews, just as not all Jews are Zionists.

Sorry to say that I cannot "unprove" something. Anything is *possible*- though this theory (Mossad) is not particularly likely. There is FAR FAR FAR more proof that the Saudi/Bush connection has more to do with it. Were all three involved- Mossad, Bush and the Saudis? Not exactly your normal triad, eh?

Though I despise Sharon and his ilk, I doubt highly that there was any Mossad involvement even after viewing the "evidence" presented.

Emotional? Perhaps. I am Jewish and it pains me to see what is being done in Israel (which is why I do not live there). To support a system in which so many are oppressed (which really seems such a lightweight, throwaway word in this instance) is unthinkable. Especially since so much of what is done goes directly against so much of what Judaism teaches. But, there are many streams of Judaism, and it seems that Sharon and his company are mired in a stagnant, poisoned stream.

There is ample proof that Bush & co had warning but did nothing. The warnings in large part came from translations from field agents of the FBI. This makes Bush's decrying of "inaccurate intel. information" all the more loathesome. For once there was accurate information and nothing was done (well, unless you count watching and waiting as doing something).

In any event- I am open to ideas, but also free enough not to be bullied into believing that something is so just because someone says it is. You are, too. Good. Let's both keep our eyes open.

trace the lie 19.Apr.2005 15:31

c m schaefer