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House votes to require Portland to flouridate water

The Oregon House passed a bill requiring cities with more than 10,000 people to add fluoride to their drinking water - this means Portland! Time to call your reps and senators and the gov. Porland currentlyhas some of the best water in the nation.

The bill passed by a 36-22 vote.
Alert: The Oregon House passed a bill requiring cities with more than 10,000 people to add fluoride to their drinking water - this means Portland! Time to call your reps and senators and the gov. Porland currently has some of the best water in the nation.

The bill passed by a 36-22 vote.

Check your favorite corp news site for full story, but get on this it's bad news for all of us if this bill moves forward!

"Dentists say adding fluoride to drinking water is a cost-effective way to cut back on tooth decay." I say let's keep dentists out of our drinking water! Why stop at Fluoride, why not add vitamin C and calcium too. This makes me mad, grumble.

jbk

vitamin C and calcium too 22.Mar.2005 12:20

why stop there

There are a lot of substances which might be healthy in small doses, but are definitely toxin in large doses (just like rat poison... I mean fluoride). Here's some things I think we should add to our water:

* aspirin
* xanax
* pomegranates
* red wine
* potassium

what does this stuff really do? 22.Mar.2005 13:15

Wanna No

Someone please tell me why the stupid oregon state legislators want me to drink a poison. Those dumb geeks are not qualified to dress themselves and they want to pollute my water with flouride. Everyone of those bastards should be voted out of office a.s.a.p. What is wrong with pure water?

Sue Them and Stop Them 22.Mar.2005 13:40

$$$

There was an activist in Arizona that informed each and every one of his representatives that if they voted for and proceeded to poison his drinking water with flouride he would pursue them in the courts individually for damages caused to him personally for poisoning his water.

He made a convincing argument to the crooks where he lived and they backed off. It is at least worth a try here. No one likes being sued personally, especially when the scientific evidence is overwhelmingly in favor of those arguing damages from flouride.

I believe the man's name was Ralph Epperson who threatened to sue in Arizona perhaps his case can be useful.

to contact the state senators 22.Mar.2005 13:58

.

Remember this is an easy issue to win with republicans or democrats.


More Information 22.Mar.2005 14:08

jbk

Here's a bit more info I've gathered this morning:

The OR House Bill is number that passed is HB2025, the Senate Bill that is in the works is number SB539 - It passed the house but needs to pass the senate and have the gov sign it to be law (if I recall my school house rock process correctly). Then city government in Portland could also fight it i guess.

Voting Record in the House Bill was:

Voting Yes: (36) Gordon Anderson-R, Brad Avakian-D, Jeff Barker-D, Phil Barnhart-D, Vicki Berger-R, Terry Beyer-D, Deborah Boone-D, Brian Boquist-R, Alan Brown-R, Scott Bruun-R, Billy Dalto-R, Jackie Dingfelder-D, Linda Flores-R, Larry Galizio-D, George Gilman-R, Mitch Greenlick-D, Bruce Hanna-R, Gary Hansen-D, Mark Hass-D, Dave Hunt-D, Bob Jenson-R, Derrick Kitts-R, Betty Komp-D, Greg Macpherson-D, Steve March-D, Mary Nolan-D, Andy Olson-R, Chuck Riley-D, Arnie Roblan-D, Mike Schaufler-D, Wayne Scott-R, Chip Shields-D, Patti Smith-R, Carolyn Tomei-D, Kelley Wirth-D,Brad Witt-D.

Voting No: (22) Robert Ackerman-D, Peter Buckley-D, Chuck Burley-R, Tom Butler-R, Kevin Cameron-R, John Dallum-R, Sal Esquivel-R, Bill Garrard-R, Paul Holvey-D, Wayne Krieger-R, Jeff Kropf-R, Jerry Krummel-R, John Lim-R, Jeff Merkley-D, Susan Morgan-R, Dennis Richardson-R, Diane Rosenbaum-D, Greg Smith-R, Speaker Karen Minnis-R, Mac Sumner-R, Kim Thatcher-R, Gene Whisnant-R.

Excused: (2) Debi Farr-R, Donna Nelson-R.

Full Text can be found on this link:
 http://landru.leg.state.or.us/05reg/measures/hb2000.dir/hb2025.a.html

The senate bill (SB539) is in the ways and means committee, so that's a good place to start if you want to contact your senators...

jbk

this is bullshit...these voting "yes" reps have had 22.Mar.2005 16:29

they're asses bribed

to vote this way...follow the money trail and see who benefit's most...it not us!

good! 22.Mar.2005 17:27

gk

Fluoride in drinking water at 1 part per million reduces dental decay in children. Here are some sites: www.dhs.ca.gov/ps/cdic/cdcb/medicine/oralhealth/fluoride/ and
www.doh.state.fl.us/family/dental/fluoridation

Do a google search and find lots more sites documenting fluoridation.

yes but 22.Mar.2005 17:49

why stop there

There are many studies contradicting the benefits of fluoride. Wine has a much better track record, so why don't we just put wine in our water system.

It's funny how some people know the government can't be trusted, and then continue to trust them.

gk, you can feed your family as much rat poison as you like, but let the rest of us choose for ourselves.


to be clear 22.Mar.2005 18:30

researcher

There is no conclusive evidence linking fluoridation of water with the decline in tooth decay. There has been a decline in tooth decay observed over the past several decades among all western countries, regardless of whether that country chose to fluoridate its water. Among countries that have mixed areas, such as the United States or New Zealand, it has often been found that tooth decay is less prevalent is non-fluoridated areas once other factors (such as socio-economic status and access to dental care) were taken into account. Government propaganda that suggests that the research is conclusive should be summarily dismissed. Now the truth may be that fluoride in extremely controlled amounts (which one is not likely to get out of one's faucet) may help prevent tooth decay, or it may not, there is certainly some research supporting both cases. But I think, as others have noted, there is a huge question as to whether this is truly a public health issue, to be decided by the state, or a personal health issue, to be decided by the individual. If it is to be decided by the state, than one might want the evidence to be fairly conclusive. Given that many western European nations have rejected fluoridation due to the lack of evidence in support of it's alleged benefits the United States citizens may wish to examine what research they feel leads them to be more convinced of the short-term and long-term safety of altering their water supply.

World Health Organization - Tooth Decay Trends
World Health Organization - Tooth Decay Trends

DUMBING DOWN PORTLAND 22.Mar.2005 19:37

justmemyselfandI

Who do we fear the Most, well i will tell you its not the flunkies, Or a average joe with only a limited comprehention strength, Lets face it Portland Has the Highest grade levels in the USA, we are Just to Dame SMART, and we also are a problen for the Neo cons and Dictators who Like Hitler thought the controling of minds was a tool to heard masses willingly into there traps, If im aware of the enemy and too smart to let them get away with it, they fear My Knowledge, I am the Goverments worste Nightmare if i have a brain and I am not a Loyal servant too the regeim, Floride works against the nerotransponders, basically creating a cloudy mind, dumbing you down, citys that have floridated water geographically you can see the the Poeples of these regions are dramatically Dumber, or for better terminalogy, Severly slower in the cronium. they want to make you too stupid to stand up for your own rights basically disarming your most powerful weapon, your MIND....

Response to GK 22.Mar.2005 20:35

fluori

Response to "gk", who said:

"Fluoride in drinking water at 1 part per million reduces dental decay in children. Here are some sites: www.dhs.ca.gov/ps/cdic/cdcb/medicine/oralhealth/fluoride/ and
www.doh.state.fl.us/family/dental/fluoridation
Do a google search and find lots more sites documenting fluoridation."

Dear GK,
I'm a medical professional. Fluoride is also a wonderful enzyme inhibitor.

I agree, fluoride is great against cavities (caries), so I'd consider it a medication. I'd like to keep my drinking water, however, free from all medications. One reason is because I like to drink lots of water (a healthy thing to do). However, I might drink more than the standard person for whom the fluoride dose was conceived. What effect does that have? (No answers from politicians or pharmaceutical industry). And what about my kids, who, being kids, weigh a lot less than an adult, for whom the dose was calculated? (No answers from politicians or pharmaceutical industry) I also vaguely recalled reading a publication on fluoride and colon cancer at one point -- can't my finger on it at the moment.


Keep your fluoride in your toothpaste and out of your tap water.

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Here's some additional reading for those who "don't have a book" right now:



Caries Res. 2004 May-Jun;38(3):258-62. Related Articles, Links
Click here to read
Systemic versus topical fluoride.

Hellwig E, Lennon AM.

Department of Operative Dentistry and Periodontology, Dental Clinic and Dental School, Albert Ludwigs University Freiburg, Freiburg, Germany.  hellwig@zmk2.ukl.uni-freiburg.de

The actual mechanism of fluoride action is still a subject of debate. A dogma has existed for many decades, that fluoride has to be ingested and acts mainly pre-eruptively. However, recent studies concerning the systemic effect of fluoride supplementation concluded that the caries-preventive effect of fluoride is almost exclusively posteruptive. Moreover, epidemiologists have cast doubt on the validity of the 'old' studies dealing with fluoride use. The concept of the posteruptive fluoride effect is supported by in vitro and in situ investigations demonstrating that the mode of action of fluoride can be attributed mainly to its influence on de- and remineralization kinetics of dental hard tissues. Therefore, topical fluoride application (e.g. in the form of fluoridated dentifrices) should be encouraged. There are still important questions open that need to be answered despite existing knowledge about the caries-preventive effect of fluoride. Copyright 2004 S. Karger AG, Basel

Publication Types:

* Review

More on Fluoride: HOw it works 22.Mar.2005 20:40

fluori

You'll have to go photocopy this article at OHSU.

GK: Do more MedLine and less goooogle searches for medical studies.


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Gen Dent. 2002 Mar-Apr;50(2):118-22, 124, 126. Related Articles, Links

Fluoride: after 50 years, a clearer picture of its mechanism.

Wynn RL.

Department of Oral-Craniofacial Biological Sciences, Dental School, University of Maryland at Baltimore, USA.

Publication Types:

* Historical Article


PMID: 12004705 [PubMed - indexed for MEDLINE]

some history on fluoride 22.Mar.2005 22:59

CaptainPlanet

From a previous PDX Indy article on fluoride:

Sodium fluoride, a hazardous-waste by-product from the manufacture of aluminum, is a common ingredient in rat and cockroach poisons, anesthetics, hypnotics, psychiatric drugs, and military nerve gas. It's historically been quite expensive to properly dispose of, until some aluminum industries with an overabundance of the stuff sold the public on the terrifically insane but highly profitable idea of buying it at a 20,000% markup, injecting it into our water supplies, and then DRINKING it. Yes, a 20,000% markup: Fluoride--intended only for human consumption by people under 14 years of age--is injected into our drinking water supply at approx. 1 part-per-million (ppm), but since we only drink 1/2 of one percent of the total water supply, the rest literally goes down the drain as a free hazardous-waste disposal for the chemical industry, where we PAY them so that we can flush their expensive hazardous waste down our toilets. How many salesmen dream of such a deal? (Follow the money.)

Independent scientific evidence repeatedly showing up over the past 50 years reveals that fluoride allegedly shortens our life span, promotes cancer and various mental disturbances, accelerates osteoporosis and broken hips in old folks, and makes us stupid, docile, and subservient, all in one package. There are reports of aluminum in the brain possibly being a causative factor in Alzheimer's Disease, and evidence points towards fluoride's strong affinity for aluminum and also its ability to "trick" the blood-brain barrier by looking like the hydrogen ion, and thus allowing chemical access to brain tissue.

MUCH more here:
 http://portland.indymedia.org/en/2004/06/291665.shtml

It doesn't matter.... 23.Mar.2005 08:04

StevetheGreen

The issue is not whether or not fluoride would help reduce tooth decay in children.
And for me, the issue isn't even if it is safe.

The issue is whether we use our public water system as a "medicine delivery system".

As others have already pointed out, there are many substances that could be added to the water that might benefit people. But that is not the purpose of providing water to the public.

Anybody that chooses to get fluoride for the children can access it easily.
But those of us who prefer our water to be pure can not remove fluoride.

If the decisions were really based on the dental health of children, the various purchasers of the Bull run water supply could take the money designed to pay for the fluoridation of water and give vouchers to people to purchase fluoride if they so desired.

But fluoride comes from alumninum waste and if you can sell your waste by transforming it into fluoride, somebody somewhere is making some cash.

Maybe we should call the Department of Homeland Security 23.Mar.2005 09:20

PHH

Tell them there is a conspiracy to put RAT POISON into the PUBLIC WATER SUPPLY.

New Action on this Issue 23.Mar.2005 19:43

jbk

Hi people - thanks for all the responses, but let's not forget sight of the fact that this is not yet law. It's in the Oregon State Senate ways and meaqns committee right now (SB 539). This means your contacting of your state senentor CAN STILL make this go away. Also, bugging the Gov. (who would need to sign this) and the Portland city government won't hurt.

Talk about this with people we need to get the word out.

Thanks,
jbk

ACTUALLY YOU'RE RIGHT THERE "HOME CHEMIST" 23.Mar.2005 22:59

retired public works engineer

you're quite right there. there is cheap way to nullify the fluoride put in the water.

perhaps, as you state, it's best to wait till the political drama plays out to see how it really goes and enjoy the theatrical performances these bought 'n' paid-for whores
will put on before informing as to the simple technique to make mockery of their efforts

folk's, it's really inexpensive and though it takes a little work, it still easy to do!

townships / counties must decide, not state 24.Mar.2005 02:34

wootster

researcher gets it: putting fluoride in water is "a public health issue, to be decided by the state, or a personal health issue, to be decided by the individual."

If the water we drink is getting too polluted then there must be small-scale ways to solve this over time, not large-scale statewide blanket laws. Approach this challenge from the local "township" perspective, not the other way around. People must be able to vote on this or reach a consensus & not let Salem bureaucrats decide for them.

how do you remove fluoride from drinking water? 24.Mar.2005 09:01

Sal sal@electrobotanica.org

First, I would like to point out that fluoride treatment is accessible and inexpensive as there are fluoride toothpastes and mouthwashes available. I would be surprised to learn that a dentist would not prescribe concentrated fluoride paste for use after brushing if asked.

My question is whether there is an easy way to remove fluoride once it is in the drinking water supply? Would something like a Brita filter do the job? Several posters have said that there is but how is this done? Does it mean that you have to purchase drinking water?


fluoridation: a testament to a crumbling society 13.Apr.2005 08:50

Andy abernahi@yahoo.com

Fluoridation is forced medication and contrary to everything Americans hold dear. What right does a community have to force people to ingest a chemical for their health. Whether it works for some is another issue, the bottom line is a persons right to decide whether he or she, or his children, want to ingest a chemical which has no relation to water safety. Courts have skirted this issue by ruling that people have the choice to drink or not drink the water. What crap. Even foods and sodas are prepared with fluoridated water. There is no escape. Skin aborption is another source, though unstudied.

I've been working on this issue for ten years now, writing letters, emails, etc. The fluoridation industry is winning this war. The source of fluoride is industrial waste from the fertilizer industry. A waste which would be very expensive to dispose of is turned into a product which is sold to us and added to the water. The government can feel like they are doing something for the poor who have little or no access to dental care. The whole thing stinks.

Writing letters is futile. The only way to stop this is a massive drive to put a proposition on the ballot to stop the insanity of fluoridation. Many communities have been successful, including Santa Cruz, CA, Vancouver, BC, and a few others.

WArning: If you are feeding your infant formula, do not use tap water to prepare it. Avoid fluoridated toothpaste for small children who may eat it. When you go to the dentist, do not, do not allow them to give you or your children the fluoride rinse. Children have died from swallow this stuff. Most filters do not remove fluoride. Only Reverse Osmosis or distillation will remove the fluoride. Many health food stores have reverse osmosis units and sell water for around 40 cents a gallon.

Get the government out of my food and water! 22.Apr.2005 16:52

Deborah

I'm so weary of the food police telling me what chemicals I should ingest in my food and water and what supplements I am not allowed to ingest, according to their bogus (hear $$$$) research! How about just giving us CLEAN CLEAR CHEMICAL FREE food and water and LET US make the decision what to add to it!? Flouride is supposed to be used as a TOPICAL. One article I read said you may as well put face cream in your water, and that's the truth. Remember when we were kids and we were taught to STOP, LOOK, and LISTEN? Now you sit 5 minutes at a stoplight at midnight when there's no traffic because some idiot sitting at a desk decided to put up a stoplight. And who paid for the "improvement?" Me, that's who! And you know.. nobody asked ME if I needed a stoplight to cross the street. They're brainwashing us, people, and we're following like sheep. You want the truth and to get the C*ap scared out of you, go to the Organic Consumer's Association website and read about what's going on with our food and water supply. Then boycott anything touched by Monsanto! People are always yapping about how we're going to destroy the earth. We aren't going to destroy the earth, we're going to kill ourselves off. Then the earth will heave a big sigh and regenerate herself.

UPDATE PLEASE 23.Feb.2006 22:35

Phil

It's now February 2006, I need an update on this issue. Did this thing pass???

water fluoridation; what's the latest 12.Mar.2008 08:41

Andy

Have they actually followed through with this? I hope not.