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Please do not allow the fluoridation of my drinking water!

Europe and Japan have virtually abolished water fluoridation. Why is it the most advanced and powerful nation on earth continues to dump tons of this toxic industrial waste byproduct into our water supply?
After watching this evenings corporate sponsored news drivel, I was amazaed to see that Oregon is now trying to change our water! and it goes before the senate next week!

This is horrible, I happen to KNOW fluoride is poison!!!

I immediatley went to this website, and emailed every senator I could find. http://www.leg.state.or.us/senate/senateset.htm

here is one website, they are SO many more!!!
 http://www.geocities.com/northstarzone/FLUORIDE.html

and an excerpt:

Fluoride has repeatedly been shown to be a carcinogen in cell cultures, animals and humans.


In the human populations fluoridation was not effective in reducing tooth decay. In fact, tooth decay has decreased more in some nonfluoridated communities than in fluoridated ones. Fluorosis is a disease (health effect) caused by fluoride. According to the National Research Council fluorosis affects 8 to 51% and sometimes as many as 80% of the children growing up in areas where drinking water contains one part per million (1 ppm) fluoride. Fluoride also can have a deleterious effect on bone growth and cause premature joint and ligament aging. The visible damage to tooth surfaces results in mottled, brittle teeth that are prone to fracture and may cost many thousands of dollars to cosmetically repair. I also give you the fact that RAT POISON, a Toxic Industrial byproduct, consists of only sodium fluoride. Europe and Japan have virtually abolished water fluoridation. Why is it the most advanced and powerful nation on earth continues to dump tons of this toxic industrial waste byproduct into our water supply?


I can send you hundreds of websites that verify this!

The time to act is now. Once it is in the water, the resistance and free thought slowly melt away!!

The Nazi's used this stuff in prison camps, to keep the prisoners DOCILE!!!

The first occurrence of fluoridated drinking water on Earth was found in
Germany`s Nazi prison camps. The Gestapo had little concern about
fluoride`s supposed effect on children`s teeth; their alleged reason for
mass-medicating water with sodium fluoride was to sterilize humans and
force the people in their concentration camps into calm submission. (Ref.
book: "The Crime and Punishment of I.G. Farben" by Joseph Borkin.)

from this website:
 http://www.apfn.org/apfn/water.htm


Are we going to let this happen?

HELLOOO?????? dont turn into sheeple pleaseeeee!!!!!!!!!

who is lobbying for it? 21.Mar.2005 18:06

indy

This bill to flouridate keeps returning like a bad cold. Who is pushing it? There are usually lobbyists in the background, or in this case in Salem, where legislators can receive checks from their sponsors and then go right back to the floor to vote on a bill that effects that sponsor, they are probably right around the corner--is it the agricultural industry pushing to get rid of currently non disposable effluent because it is too toxic for a landfill? So with the passage of this bill, they can now dump it into our water supply. I listened to the hearing today with witnesses claiming how wonderful flouride is and how it saved their children's teeth, etc. There are very real dangers with flouride, especially when it comes from fertilizer runoff, full of lead and arsenic. It seems it takes a full time job just keeping track of the ways our politicians are tyring to pull one over on us. Call your reps and senators, and then, as a counter measure to this insidious flow of money into our legislator's pockets, support campaign finance reform and Instant Runoff Voting--you can start here in Portland by supporting the Voter Owned Elections campaign.  http://oregonfollowthemoney.org/

Wrong 21.Mar.2005 18:35

gk

This article is purely hogwash and wrong. Fluoride in drinking water at 1 part per million is proven to reduce tooth decay. Even dentists checking recruits' teeth can tell if they came from a fluoride community water system area, it is so obvious. Scientific info is out there on its proven benefits. It will not turn you into a "witch," or any other baloney scare tactics.

Vancouver, WA, has fluorided its water for decades. I believe it began in the '60's. Don't believe nutcakes. Give children a chance with fluoridated water. Without teeth one's health is in jeopardy.

Fertilizer and aluminum byproduct 21.Mar.2005 18:56

disposed in drinking water 4 free

The fluoride compound added most recently 2 drinking water is usually hydrofluorosilicic acid. This usually is a byproduct from phosphate fertilizer and aluminum industrial process. If it is promoted by ADA as a health booster for teeth, it can be added to the public water at no charge 2 the corporations. Otherwise they would need 2 spend money to dispose of it as toxic waste..

Early fluoride experiments in Nazi Germany were shown to decrease the subject's will 2 resist. It effects the "survival mechanism" of the brain, so other mental functions appear normal, but basic instinct survival mechanisms are depressed. Garmany's IG Farben and America's Alcoa Aluminum (Rockefeller owned) traded information on the effects of fluoride on Nazi death camp inmates. Soon after Russia experimented on German POWs (2 keep them docile) and in the 1950's the fluoridation of American cities began with Grand Rapids Michigan. Most Americans are now drinking fluoridated water. If not from the faucet, from consumption of beverages like Pepsi/Coca-cola that are bottled in fluoridated cities..

Fluoride's effect on tooth enamel are forming a stronger bond by displacing a hydroxyl (-OH) group on the enamal and replacing with the stronger and more rigid (-F) fluoride compound. The teeth may seem stronger for a period of time, though eventually dental (and skeletal) fluorosis sets in and makes the teeth more brittle. The displaced (-OH) group allowed for greater flexibility in the enamel when dealing with extreme temps and such..

Reducing consumption of refined sugar is the best result for healthy teeth. Fluoride is another corporate ploy that accomplishes several agendas;

1) disposal of toxic compounds by corporations for free

2) placebo of tooth strengthening remedy without brushing or concern about refined sugar consumption

3) pacification of the population (conspiracy theory? go figure!!)

love, peace and justice,

luna moth

Check the fluoride alert website 4 more info, also email them and let them know about your local issues. They may print an article about it;


check the facts 21.Mar.2005 19:04

indy

Fluoride is approved only for topical post eruptive use,(as in toothpaste) not for systemic, ie, drinking water. It is a drug that the FDA has never approved for use in drinking water. Furthermore what is the source of the fluoride? Citizens for Safe Drinking Water say that it will be coming from fertilizer, which contains heavy metals, in addition to fluoride. Fluoride is already present in many foods and juices, so even if it were proven that ingesting fluoride is beneficial, there is no need to add any to our water supply, as you are already getting it thru other means. What's more, this should be decided on a local level. If Vancouver wants fluoride and the citizens vote on it, fine, but Portland has some of the cleanest drinking water in the country, and many of us do not want to add flouride. I personally stay away from all known flouride products, including toothpaste. We should have the right to vote on it in our own communities. For more info, go to:  http://www.keepers-of-the-well.org/on_point.html

PS--I'm getting tired of the old tin hat argument that anyone who argues the opposing side is a wingnut. Please, stick to the facts, and quit the name calling.

Are you totally deranged? 21.Mar.2005 19:09

the TRUTH will set us free

Excessive intake of fluoride supplements may also contribute to fluorosis.
If the water was the ONLY place Fluoride was found, you might have an argument!

 http://dentalresource.org/topics6.htm

Perhaps you are a dentist, trying to keep your job?

Another great site:
 http://pmeiers.bei.t-online.de/official.htm

There, biochemist Gerald J. Cox immediately fluoridated some lab rats in a study and concluded that fluoride reduced cavities and that: "The case should be regarded as proved." In a historic moment in 1939, the first public proposal that the U.S. should fluoridate its water supplies was made not by a doctor, or dentist, but by Cox, an industry scientist working for a company threatened by fluoride damage claims and burdened by the odious expense of disposing of tons of toxic industrial waste. Cox began touring the country, stumping for fluoridation.There, biochemist Gerald J. Cox immediately fluoridated some lab rats in a study and concluded that fluoride reduced cavities and that: "The case should be regarded as proved." In a historic moment in 1939, the first public proposal that the U.S. should fluoridate its water supplies was made not by a doctor, or dentist, but by Cox, an industry scientist working for a company threatened by fluoride damage claims and burdened by the odious expense of disposing of tons of toxic industrial waste. Cox began touring the country, stumping for fluoridation.

If you dont beleive me, check out the european and japanese laws AGAINST fluoride!!


as we've seen, research does not support the effectiveness of fluoridation for preventing tooth disease. Second, purported benefits are supposedly for children, not adults and senior citizens. At about age 13, any advantage fluoridation might offer comes to an end, and less than 1% of the fluoridated water supply reaches this population.(55) And third, fluoridation has never been proven safe. On the contrary, numerous studies directly link fluoridation to disease, including skeletal fluorosis, dental fluorosis, thyroid disorders, brain and kidney damage, Alzheimer's disease, lead poisoning, and several rare forms of cancer. This alone should force us to reconsider its use.

PLease people WAKE UP!!!

buy the book Health Wars and share! 21.Mar.2005 19:21

multiple purchaser

This is a great book I have found really can convince Americans that something is seriously, seriously wrong with a great deal of American so called health science. It is a book that covers all Americans on the total corporate health scams of the 20th century, from this fluroide issue to many many others. I have bought multiple copies of this book to give away myself:

find the book by Philip Day called Health Wars, sold through Credence Publications.

 http://www.credence.org/healthwars/press1.htm

HEALTH WARS - WHY IS OUR TECHNOLOGY KILLING US?

Probably one of the most significant health books coming in the new millennium, Health Wars, compiled by world-renowned UK health researcher Phillip Day, tears the lid off the shameful medical and corporate scandals that are killing our nations.

1. VESTED INTERESTS AT CORPORATE AND GOVERNMENTAL LEVEL are resulting in harmful and even fatal modes of treatment being sanctioned for the sake of industry and the shareholder. Today, Western healthcare and its drugs are the leading cause of death in the Western world. Day cites Journal of the American Medical Association and other health industry statistics to corroborate his astonishing and deeply disturbing conclusions.

2. VESTED INTERESTS IN THE MEDIA. Many of today's mainstream health writers and editors are in possession of well-researched life-saving information on many health issues and are being blocked from publishing it for the benefit of all. What are the media owners afraid of? Should they bear the brunt of responsibility for allowing the public to go uneducated on these vital issues?

3. DANGEROUS CONVENTIONAL TREATMENTS. Conventional drug regimes for cancer, AIDS and other so-called 'progressive' illnesses are highly toxic and known carcinogens, which have a well documented capacity for causing the very illnesses they are designed to defeat and killing patients indiscriminately. Many thousands of people are needlessly suffering and dying, their conditions in many instances curable with unpatentable, non-toxic and non-invasive nutritional treatments.

4. THE DANGERS OF VACCINATION AND VACCINE THEORY. Mass vaccination programs are on the increase, despite there now being firm evidence linking vaccination to serious chronic health problems, such as autism, permanent brain injury and death.

5. SUGAR (SUCROSE), ASPARTAME AND SACCHARIN. "Sugar feeds cancer," the medical experts agree. Almost all the population is addicted to the refined sugar, sucrose, or its partners, aspartame and saccharin, which have now been clinically linked to accelerated aging, cancer, heart disease, diabetes, Alzheimer's and over 100 other serious health problems that are being deliberately ignored or downplayed by the hugely influential and profitable sugar and sweetener industry.

6. WHY ARE CONVENTIONAL DOCTORS NEVER TRAINED IN NUTRITION? Nutrition plays such a vital role in maintaining good health. We are what we eat. Yet our doctors are trained in institutions funded by the pharmaceutical industry and are given little or no training in this vitally important area. Most of the diseases killing Western populations today are metabolic- or toxin-related, which means that drugs foreign to the body's metabolic processes are never addressing the underlying causes.

7. GENETIC ENGINEERING AND HUMAN CLONING. Crops and other foodstuffs are becoming increasingly bio-engineered to render greater output and fatter profits. But what price will the citizen pay in the future? With human cloning, tiny human beings are now being reproduced and then 'harvested' - killed in the name of 'scientific advancement'. Aside from the obvious areas open to brazen abuse, what are the health and moral implications of allowing 'sibling spare parts' to be lauded as a beneficial industry?

8. FLUORIDATION. For years, we have been told that fluoride consumption is a healthy necessity and safe. The shameful reality is that these 'fluoride' compounds do not prevent dental cavities and are in fact constituents of nerve gas and rat poison. Hexafluorosilicic acid, for example, the most widely used water fluoridation compound, is raw industrial hazardous waste. Why are we being mass-medicated without our consent when these compounds, designed to protect our teeth, in fact destroy them through dental fluorosis?

9. ENVIRONMENTAL TOXINS. Many of today's illnesses in the human and animal population are increasingly being linked to cumulative poisoning. Pesticides, fertilisers and other toxic materials, ploughed into our soils and subsequently our food-chain, produce the astonishingly broad spectrum of deadly diseases afflicting us today. What common household and personal care products we use every day contain potentially harmful chemicals that can damage us over the long-term? What cosmetics products, costing us a fortune, are giving us beauty to die for?

10. VETERINARY SCIENCE AND ANIMAL CARE. Animal illnesses are on the rise. Unknown to most people, many animals are being adversely affected by the effects of toxic conventional treatments, vaccination and contaminated feed coming from the little-scrutinised animal rendering and pet food industry.

Phillip Day: "The Journal of the American Medical Association has published figures showing that Western healthcare is now the third leading cause of death in America. Interestingly, the medical establishment is in possession of preventative nutrition information that could drastically cut the numbers of heart disease and cancer deaths, the leading two killers in our society today. This same medical establishment however has made the deliberate decision not to share or publicise this information. This implicates Western healthcare as the leading cause of death in our society today.

But this is not a local problem. The British Medical Journal declares that in America alone, 199,000 A YEAR are being killed by errant medical procedures. In the UK, blunders by doctors are killing 40,000 a year. In Australia, 1 in 5 are being killed by their own healthcare, and in China, bad medicine is killing 200,000 every year, with 60-80% of China's 10 million deaf-mute cases related to the use of inappropriate medicine.

This global medical catastrophe is growing worse with each passing year, but people are finally beginning to wake up and take action. This new century unfortunately, but through necessity, must be the age of the Health Wars."

Health Wars is published by Credence Publications
Release Date: March 2001

don't be so sure 21.Mar.2005 19:26

F is for Fluoride

1. Most of the time when I drink water I swallow. Thus the amount of fluoride that hits those teeth is minimal.


2. Fluoridated tooth paste is about 1000ppm in fluoride, so if you brush-that fluoride will be at those choppers with a much better contact time.


3. Do that math. a couple of moments at laow ppm concentration or a few minutes at a thousand times that. Clearly fluoridation is a way to get rid of waste fluoride from industry down the city sewers.


4. Just give the kids some god damn dental coverage and tooth past.

ps dont forget the floss

Fluoridation / Fluoride Toxic Chemicals In Your Water 21.Mar.2005 19:38

Bird Dog

They say that there is nothing wrong with mercury in the fish.
We already know that information was a load of SHIT!

Just like the facts they had saying that smoking did not cause any harm to the body.
Until of course the facts proving that they lied were released to the public.

We should also know that they would like to keep Americans dumbed down so they can lead us around like a bunch of sheep as most Americans are.
Makes a great slave race!

I'll say it again as I have said before.
Native Indians said it best, they speek with forked tongues.
They can't speak without telling a lie.

Here are the facts!!

 http://www.holisticmed.com/fluoride/

Fluoridation / Fluoride
Toxic Chemicals In Your Water
Note: For more information on health-building techniques, please see the Holistic Healing Web Page.


Fluoride compounds which are put in water (fluoridation), toothpaste and supplement tablets (including some vitamins) were never tested for safety before approval. Recent independent research by scientists not associated with dental trade organizations has shown the following:

1. Neurotoxic and Lowers IQ
In 1995, neurotoxicologist and former Director of toxicology at Forsyth Dental Center in Boston, Dr. Phyllis Mullenix published research showing that fluoride built up in the brains of animals when exposed to moderate levels. Damage to the brain occured and the behavior patterns of the animals was adversely effected. Offspring of pregnant animals receiving relatively low doses of fluoride showed permanent effects to the brain which were seen as hyperactivity (ADD-like symptoms). Young animals and adult animals given fluoride experienced the opposite effect -- hypoactivity or sluggishness. The toxic effects of fluoride on the central nervous system was subsequently confirmed by previously-classified government research. Two new epidemiological studies which tend to confirm fluoride's neurotoxic effects on the brain have shown that children exposed to higher levels of fluoride had lower IQs.

2. A study published in Brain Research shows that rats drinking only 1 part per million fluoride (NaF) in water had histologic lesions in their brain similar to Alzheimer's disease and dementia. In addition, evidence was seen pointing to possible damage to the blood brain barrier from extended fluoride exposure. This study was the third in a series of papers published by Varner et al. Brain Research Vol. 784 No. 12 p 284-298 (1998). Results of this recent study and other studies showing significant dangers from low-level fluoride exposure were presented at a recent scientific symposium.

3. Causes Cancer
The Department of Health in New Jersey found that bone cancer in male children was between two and seven times greater in areas where water was fluoridated. U.S. Environmental Protection Agency (EPA) researchers confirmed the bone cancer-causing effects of fluoride at low levels in an animal model. A new study has shown that fluoridation of water is linked to uterine cancer deaths.

4. Changes Bone Structure and Strength
Fluoride gradually builds up in the bones and causes adverse changes to the bone structure. Quite a few studies have shown that fluoridation leads to increases in hip fractures. The tensile strength of the hip is destroyed over time by fluoride ingestion.

5. Causes Birth Defects and Perinatal Deaths
A toxicologist in the United Kingdom recently found that perinatal deaths in a fluoridated area was 15% higher than in neighboring non-fluoridated areas. The fluoridated area had a higher socio-economic status and would have been expected to have less perinatal deaths. The fluoridated area also had a 30% higher rate of Down's Syndrome. Chile banned fluoridation because of research by the world-reknowned researcher, Dr Albert Schatz, which showed a link to infant deaths due to fluoridation.

6. Proven Ineffective
Fluoride compounds in water and in supplements do not provide any significant cavity-protecting effects. All of the recent large-scale studies of water fluoridation have shown that there are no positive effects. There is scientific evidence that increased fluoride exposure leads to increased levels of caries. That is why countries without fluoridation have shown an equal improvement in dental health as those with fluoridation. Even pro-fluoridation scientists admit that there is not any properly-conducted research showing that fluoride supplements help prevent cavities. (Note: check vitamins carefully to be sure they do not include fluoride.)

7. Impairs Immune System
Independent research has shown that fluoride impairs the functioning of the immune system. In the United States, where toxic fluoride compounds are regularly added to water and given to children since the 1960s and 1970s, we are beginning to see an overwhelming number of people of that generation who are developing chronic immune system disorders.

8. Causes Acute Adverse Reactions
Several double-blind studies have shown that fluoridated water can often cause acute adverse reactions (in addition to the chronic poisoning effects discussed below). Some of the effects seen in double-blind studies include: gastrointestinal symptoms, stomatitis, joint pains, polydipsia, headaches, visual disturbances, muscular weakness, and extreme tiredness. An enlightening review of a book by one famous and well-respected researcher from The Netherlands who found adverse reactions in double-blind experiments can be read here.

9. Causes Initial Stages of Skeletal Fluorosis
Fluoride can cause severe skeletal fluorosis at high levels. Chronic, long-term exposure to levels of fluoride commonly found in water and food in the U.S. can cause the beginning stages of skeletal fluorosis including: pains in bones and joints, sensations of burning, pricking, and tingling in the limbs, muscle weakness, chronic fatigue, gastrointestinal disorders, reduced appetite, backache, osteoarthritis, etc. In fact, decades of ingestion of fluoride from water and other common sources can be expected to cause these symptoms in large numbers of people based on calculations of fluoride intake and excretion. (Keep in mind that fluoride is a cumulative poison since it builds up in the body of years.) Very few healthcare practitioners are capable of diagnosing such a condition because healthcare practitioners are not trained to test for or recognize the effects chronic poisoning from fluoride.

10. Increases Lead and Arsenic Exposure
Fluoride compounds put into water are often contaminated with lead, arsenic and radio nuclides since the fluoride compounds are toxic waste byproducts which largely come from pollution scrubbers of fertilizer plants. A study published in 2000 showed that the dumping of toxic silicofluoride compounds into water ("fluoridation") causes an increase in blood lead levels in children.

11. Fluoride Causes Osteoarthritis
In a study published in Rhuematology International in 2001, researchers found a link between fluoride exposure and the development of osteoarthritis. The level of exposure that caused osteoarthritis is common in the United States.

12. Contributes to the Development of Repetitive Stress Injury
A clinical study in New Zealand showed that fluoride ingestion may be a contributing factor in the development of Repetative Stress Injury (RSI) since such ingestion may encourage the development of apatite crystal formation. Elimination of fluoride plus regular supplementation of magnesium appeared to help RSI patients considerably.

13. Causes Permanent Disfigurement of the Teeth in Many Children
A very large and increasing number of children are experiencing dental fluorosis which is a permanent adverse structural change to the teeth.

14. Inhibits Key Enzymes
As fluoride builds up in different parts of the body over decades it can disrupt the actions of many key enzymes. This fact has been known for a long time.

15. Supresses Thyroid Function
Fluoride was given at low levels during the early to mid 20th century as an effective way of supressing thyroid function and treating hyperthyroidism. Articles and research can be found on the Thyroid web page.

16. Causes Large Numbers of Acute Poisonings
Fluoride is an extremely poisonous substances at exceptionally low doses and has caused a large number of acute poisonings. This is why a poison warning is now required on fluoridated toothpastes sold in the U.S.

17. Independent Experts Oppose Dumping Fluoride Into Water
Over 1500 professionals at the US EPA, including toxicologists and risk assessment experts voted unanimously to oppose the fluoridation initiative in California because of the health risks involved. See summary or official EPA union statement. Even the Candian Dental Association Consultant and Researcher urged people to avoid drinking fluoridated water.

18. Unethical
Fluoridation amounts to forced medication of the water supply. Such practices demonstrate a complete lack of ethics on the part of its promoters. Studies as early the 1930s showed extreme hazards to man and the environment due to fluoride dumping and exposure. Companies and organizations involved used the promotion of "fluoridation" as a way to avoid lawsuits due to dumping toxic wastes and later for economic gain. Please read the short history of fluoridation for more detailed information.

19. Banned in Many Countries
Fluoridation is not legal or not used in the overwhelming number of countries including industrialized countries. Please see Fluoride Status of Countries web page.


Many independent researchers, organizations, holistic healthcare experts and a growing number of dentists who avoid the use of toxic substances are warning their patients to avoid fluoridated water and fluoridated toothpaste and to definately not give children any fluoride since they appear to be more susceptible to the neurological toxicity from fluoride.

If your water department adds toxic fluoride compounds to the water, the best course of action is usually to drink and cook with bottled "spring" water. Carbon filters do not remove fluoride compounds to any significant extent. Avoid putting fluoridated water in humidifiers. Many non-organic juices have large amounts of fluoride from pesticide residues. It is best to juice your own vegetables and fruits from organic produce or go to a health food store to purchase organic juices.

Avoid toothpastes that have fluoride even if the manufacturers claim that the fluoride came from "natural" sources. Even though topical fluoride treatment may have an effect to help remineralize cavities at the early stages, the combination of a healthy diet, proper dental hygiene and saliva can have a similar effect. It is impossible to avoid swallowing some fluoride from fluoridated toothpaste. I have tried various toothpastes and current use the natural Weleda toothpaste with baking soda. I like that fact that it does not contain fluoride or the detergent, sodium lauryl sulfate (SLS).

More detailed information about fluoride and proper dental care:

* Fluoridation Does Not Prevent Tooth Decay

* Fluoride: Detailed General & Scientific Information

* Fluoride: Journal of the International Society for Fluoride Research

* Parents of Fluoride Poisoned Children: Main Page / Toxicological Profile / Thyroid Page

* International Academy of Oral Medicine & Toxicology Position Paper on Fluoridation (Click on Download Article)

* Scientific Statement Signed By 1,500+ U.S. Environmental Protection Agency Scientists and Professionals

* NoFluoride.com (Statements by Scientific and Medical Experts)

* Fluoride Action Network

* Fluoride Issues Web Page

* Citizens for Safe Drinking Water

* Fluoride: The Deadly Legacy by Gary Null

* Book Review: The Fluoride Deception

* History of Fluorine, Fluoride and Fluoridation

* Article & Resources for Eliminating Dental Disease

* Alternatives to Fluoridated Water

* Preventive Dental Association

* Dental Fluorosis Prevention Program

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Natural, ha! 21.Mar.2005 20:30

gk

You people are determined to read contrary reports in attempts to keep water natural, ha. Natural tooth decay, that's what you get without 1 part fluoride in the water supply. Lots of dental work could be avoided with fluoridated water supplies.

Fluoride is controlled when it is added, not dumped. What you need to be concerned about is our government's dumping of depleted uranium in our weapons. Now THAT affects the air, dirt, sky, and bodies of repeated generations--and is not cureable.

gk Read F is for Fluoride 21.Mar.2005 20:55

lil F

gk Read F is for Fluoride.

You get your fluoride in tooth paste.

Think about it for a couple of minutes and relax.

call me old-fashioned 21.Mar.2005 20:57

old-fashioned

But the only thing that should be in water is water.

Like everything else that goes on in this country just follow the money. Allowing fluoridation is giving a pass to corporations who would otherwise have to pay to dispose of their chemicals.

There's a reason why many countries have stopped using or outright banned fluoride. Who here can honestly say with a straight face that they think that the US government knows best about human health?

But, hey I have nothing against individuals buying fluoride from the companies and putting it in their household drinking water (with their household's consent of course). More power to you. But, as with just about everything else, allowing the state to enforce it's decisions on individuals is just a bad idea.

For a good read, and some sane statments ("The goal of our public water facilities should be to provide water that is as pure and safe as possible and not as a vehicle for universal pharmacological treatments regardless of age, the health status of the individual, or the presumed benefit, which, in the case of fluoride, is highly questionable, to say the least.") read the following:


what the dentist says 21.Mar.2005 21:32

privileged john

My dentist often comments about how Portland natives have poor teeth. Do Portlanders fail to care for their teeth or hmmmm... maybe the big F in our water helps? I'm not saying "pure" water isn't healthier. It probably is in a number of ways. But let's not just hastily call it bad to have Flouride in our water without asking oh, say, DENTISTS!!!!!

Over the edge 21.Mar.2005 21:45

Edgar

"Why is it the most advanced and powerful nation on earth"

The U.S. may be the most powerful, but it certainly is not one of the most advanced. More like one of the most regressive. This country is insane. The U.S. is the single biggest threat to a healthy sustainable culture that is on the planet today.

Smile for the camera 21.Mar.2005 21:50

Grin

Many decades ago, a western dentist traveled around the world to make a study of the teeth of indigenous peoples. He left assuming their teeth would be in worse shape than those of people in more 'civilized' countries. What he found however, was that they had much better dental health.

Wasn't any flouride in their water.

Here's the problem: 22.Mar.2005 01:49

just get the drops

I'm over 12 years old. Therefore fluoride in my water will do NOTHING for my teeth, and have questionable effects on my general health. So, if the gov't is so concerned about protecting kids' teeth with fluoride, they can give out drops to parents which they put in their kids' water. It's true - if you're in Portland and want your kid to drink fluoride, go to your dentist and get a prescription, and don't push for the rest of us adults to get poisoned right along with your offspring (and, I actually think that it may help their teeth, but I have no idea what other effect it may have). Better yet, stop giving kids so much sugar, and make sure they brush their teeth. Problem solved!

My personal experience with Flouride 22.Mar.2005 05:43

Sara

I agonized over the wisdom of removing fluoride from my body. I read both sides of the issue and decided to give it a try. It was a major undertaking to remove as much added fluoride from my body as possible since it is added to my water and to my toothpate and to all processed food. Two years later, instead of the cavities that would be found on the semi-annual checkups my family's teeth improved so much that not only are there no more cavities but the early gum disease that some of my family mmembers were battling has cleared up. Not only that but my family dental hygentist says we don't have the tartar buildup anymore and she wants to know what is our sectet.

I can only imagine what else this deadly poison was doing to the parts of my body that aren't visable.

Two of my children had several fractures that required casts. One from dancing, the other from just playing. Also the youngest has had a fractured tail bone from just normal childhood activities. My oldest had to have an ingrown toenail removed twice. I believe this was all due to fluoride poisoning. Since removing flouride from our enviroment our family has had no health problems of any kind.

Oh yeah my Lupus has gone into spontaneous remission. After battling this autoimmune disease for years its symptoms have mysteriously gone away. Could this all be symptoms of fluoride poisoning?
I guess I'll never know for sure but I am willing to take extraordinary measures to keep this poison out of my body and I advise all reading this to do the same.

sans flouride, sans cavities 22.Mar.2005 06:13

pearl

So, I was born and raised in Oregon, which is definitely in the minority of states in that it does not add flouride to its water. With the exception of some extended travels I've been here all my life, and why not, it's quite nice (excepting the ever increasing influx of opportunist hipsters and yuppie Californians). Despite the fact that I was never given "a chance with flouridated water", my teeth are in fine condition, as are those of all my childhood friends. As a matter of fact, I've only been to the dentist twice in my life, the last time being some 17 years ago and I have never had a cavity, or any other oral condition neccessitating the attentions of a dentist. "Why?" you ask. Because my poor-ass family could only afford basic staple foods and, along with what grew in our garden, that's what we ate. Often times dessert was cobbler or pie baked with fruit we picked during the summer or fall, fruit sweetened with the raw honey we would get a couple times a year, in bulk, from the co-op a couple of towns away. I've carried these eating habits on into my adulthood and I am happy that I have.

I don't know about whether or not flouride is dangerous, but it is certainly not essential that we dump the crap in our water. We can give our bodies everything they need in natural forms.

they learned from WWII as well; DO RECANT FLOURIDE STANCE AS A LIE 22.Mar.2005 06:56

ulterior motive watch

flouridated water was used by the Nazis and Soviets in camps for "herd management" issues, because they found that at high concentrations it impaired thought processes and made prisoners more complacent. look it up.

besides there is no scientific link between, because any of their so called (false) claims about flouridation and teeth are reliant upon only topical treatment, and putting flouride in water has more to do with a psysiological bodily treatment. the only thing they could ever justify would be flouride tooth sprays.

they do not have the right to make such mass medication decisions for you, regardless of what they say, and regardless of the sciece they claim. Besides, how many times has sciecne only been found out to be a lie later? It is better to have a limited government than crazies who want to mass engineer society on ever little fad that comes along.


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The Dentist's Tale: flouride can kill.
Date Published: 22/09/2000
Author: George Glasser

Preprare yourself for the tragic fable of the chemist, the water board, the dentist and his life.

Once, there was a dentist. His name was Lester. For many years, like all the other dentists he knew, Lester believed that fluoride in the drinking water was good for everyone. Like all the other dentists, Lester had learnt in dental school that fluoride reduces tooth decay. And, like all the other dentists, Lester believed that fluoride was fluoride.

Then, one day, he met a chemist and began discussing drinking water fluoridation.

The chemist asked what kind of fluoride was being used to fluoridate the drinking water. Lester replied: 'We are simply adjusting the fluoride level in the water by adding one part per million of, well, just fluoride.'

'There is no such thing as "just fluoride",' said the chemist.

Lester scratched his head. 'But they told me that it was only fluoride they are adding to the water.'

The chemist laughed heartily. 'Fluorine is the most reactive, electronegative element and it's never found alone in nature,' he said. 'There are many kinds of fluorides: for instance, calcium fluoride is found naturally in water. Then there are other fluorides such as lead fluoride, aluminium fluoride, etc. If you add fluoride to the water it has to be a compound. You can't just add fluoride to the water, so which one is it?'

Lester felt silly. He didn't know.

The next day Lester went to the library to check the chemistry books and learnt that calcium fluoride is, indeed, found naturally in the water. He also discovered that calcium fluoride is almost insoluble and could not be easily absorbed by the body. And his friend the chemist was quite right - there were innumerable fluoride compounds.

Now intrigued, Lester looked up some scientific studies about water fluoridation. He read that in laboratory tests, workers use a very pure grade of sodium fluoride and purified water to do their research. He discovered that sodium fluoride is taken up by the body much more readily than calcium fluoride. His friend was right. The dentist wondered how anyone could say that calcium fluoride is the same as sodium fluoride.

The next day, Lester called his water department to ask if they were adding sodium fluoride or calcium fluoride to his drinking water. The WD manager said that they were adding a product called silicofluorides to the water. The WD manager said they bought a very low grade product because it would be too expensive to use a good grade and, anyway, the public health people would not pay for a good quality calcium fluoride, because, they said, fluoride is fluoride, no matter where it comes from. By now, Lester was completely bewildered.

'Where do you buy these silicofluorides from?' he asked. The WD manager said that the silicofluorides - known as hexafluorsilicic acid - are the toxic waste product from phosphate fertilizer pollution scrubbers. The dentist was aghast. 'You have to be crazy putting that stuff in the water!'

The water department manager agreed because, he said, the hexafluorsilicic acid also contains other toxic substances such as arsenic, beryllium, mercury, lead and many more. He said he didn't drink the city water because many of the contaminants in the fluoridation agent cause health problems. 'For instance,' he said, 'arsenic causes prostate, bladder, kidney, skin and lung cancers and there is no safe level for arsenic.'

Lester was appalled. He asked the manager why he did not stop fluoridating the water with this pollution scrubber liquor. 'And why would anyone add any amount of a known carcinogen to the water?'

Shrugging, the manager replied, 'I'm just doing my job. The public health people have their agenda, and I have a family to feed.'

After a sleepless night, Lester contemplated the fluoridation dilemma as he soaped himself in the shower. 'They say they are simply adjusting the level of natural fluoride in the water - which is calcium fluoride - but they are using a pure grade of sodium fluoride and very pure water for the rat experiments in the laboratory. But they are adding toxic pollution scrubber liquor to my drinking water!' It didn't make sense.

He called a man at the dental association and told him what he had learnt. The man said, coldly: 'If you value your licence to practise, don't ever mention this subject again!'

Lester was shocked.

He had worked hard and was very proud of his practice and his two classic cars. He couldn't bear to lose them. He thought about his wife and family and how they would miss their luxury home with its four bathrooms and a jacuzzi, the private schools and foreign vacations. After a while he made a decision. 'We won't drink the tap water. We'll buy bottled water.' But he was not a happy man as he walked into the reception room and greeted his first patient of the day.

Several months later he visited his friend the doctor for his annual check-up and was stunned to learn that he had prostate cancer. He recalled the words of the water department manager. 'Arsenic causes prostate cancer.'

Lester was shattered. He couldn't understand it. Yet there was a reason. Despite taking care to drink only bottled water, Lester didn't know that much more of the pollution-laced tap water is absorbed through the skin from bathing and washing clothes.

Poor Lester.

Although 64-91 per cent of exposure to waterborne contaminants is known to occur via dermal absorption, no studies have ever been done to determine the toxicity of pollution scrubber liquor - the fluoride used in water fluoridation schemes.

George Glasser is an investigative journalist who focuses on environmental issues.


 http://www.theecologist.org/archive_article.html?article=170&category=92

hmmm 22.Mar.2005 10:35

hmmm

gk has a closed mind. You know nothing about this issue, and provide no evidence to back up your kneejerk assertions yet call others nuts?

question 22.Mar.2005 13:09

kg

So if they do go ahead with this insane idea will the water filter attached to my faucet be able to filter out the fluoride??

If I want my flouride 22.Mar.2005 13:31

Dr. Do-little

Please be advised that if you want some flouride, all you have to do is swallow some of your toothpaste. You should probably read the government warning on the back of your package of toothpaste before you do. It seems that it could be poisonous and you will have to go to your nearest emergency room for medical treatment.----- if you have health insurance or can afford outragious costs. What's wrong with pure water?

something I always wondered about 22.Mar.2005 13:37

things that mamke you go hmmm

I think Dr. Do-Little has it right: those that want to ingest fluoride can just eat some toothpaste. But to me, that raises something I've always wondered about fluoridated water. I was always taught, by parents and dentists, to rinse my mouth after brushing my teeth and spit out the toothpaste. Are people anywhere taught to just swallow the toothpaste? And if not, doesn't that seem somewhat contradictory to the concept of fluoridating water?

sites 22.Mar.2005 17:32

gk

It's too bad our government is not trustworthy because fluoridation is a proven benefit. Just do a Google search and see. Here are some freebees: www.dhs.ca.gov/ps/cdic/cdcb/medicine/oralhealth/fluoride and www.doh.state.fl.us/family/dental/fluoridation

yes but 22.Mar.2005 17:49

why stop there

There are many studies contradicting the benefits of fluoride. Wine has a much better track record, so why don't we just put wine in our water system.

It's funny how some people know the government can't be trusted, and then continue to trust them.

gk, you can feed your family as much rat poison as you like, but let the rest of us choose for ourselves.


does anybody know 23.Mar.2005 01:37

what's in the water NOW?

It sure would be nice if there were no bad shit in our water except fluoride.

Answer to Flouride Filter Question 23.Mar.2005 07:03

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The molecular size of fluoride is so small no ordinary filter will remove it. Removal requires a specialized filter and it isn't cheap. But once you remove molecules the size of fluoride then you are also removing many of the other unknown drugs and chemicals that have gotten into the water you drink.
So yes one should get the specialized water filtration system not just to remove the fluoride but the other nasty pollutants as well. I use the Berkey System and the water tastes great.

read the fluoride deception (links) 23.Mar.2005 08:04

eyes closed tight

Excerpt from the FOREWORD - By Dr. Theo Colborn

"Bryson writes with the skill of a top-selling novelist, but it was not his convincing storytelling that made me finish the book. It was the haunting message that possibly here again was another therapeutic agent, fluoride, that had not been thoroughly studied before it was foisted on the public as a panacea to protect or improve health. Bryson reveals that the safety of fluoride became a firmly established paradigm based on incomplete knowledge. The correct questions were never asked (or never answered when they were asked), thus giving birth to false or bottomless assumptions that fluoride was therapeutic and safe. Certainly, the evidence Bryson has unearthed in this book begs for immediate attention by those responsible for public health...

While reading the book, I kept thinking back to 1950, three years after I got my BS degree in Pharmacy and the year I gave birth to my first child. Fluoride came on the market packaged in pediatric vitamin drops for infants. Mothers left the hospital with their new babies in their arms and prescriptions in their hands from their dismissing physicians for these fluoride-laced drops. About that time communities around the country began to add fluoride to their drinking water. The promised benefits of fluoride were so positive that my dentist friends began to wish that they had chosen dermatology instead of dentistry. At that same time pregnant women were being given a pharmaceutical, diethylstilbestrol (DES), to prevent miscarriages, as well as DES-laced prescription vitamins especially designed for pregnant women to produce big, fat, healthy babies. I felt good when I dispensed the fluoride and DES prescriptions - they were products designed to prevent health problems rather than treat them. Now I can only wonder how many children were harmed because I and others like me took the word of the National Institutes of Health (NIH), the USPHS, and the major pharmaceutical companies producing these products. We were caught up in the spin. We were blind to the corporate hubris and were swept along with the blissful enthusiasm that accompanies every new advance in modern technology and medicine...

Certainly the evidence Bryson presents in this book should cause those charged with protecting public health to demand answers about the developmental, reproductive, and functional role of fluorine in all living organisms."

DR. THEO COLBORN, co-author of Our Stolen Future:
Are We Threatening Our Fertility, Intelligence, and Survival?
A Scientific Discovery Story (1996)

Reviews:

"The Fluoride Deception by Christopher Bryson, just published in the US, examines the background of the fluoridation debate. Bryson, who has had the advantage of access to recently declassified files, concludes that fluoridation is a triumph not of medical science but of US government spin.'" - THE GUARDIAN, "A Kick in the Teeth", June 8, 2004

"The Fluoride Deception points to the suppression of medical information, the sacking of experts who found damaging evidence of potentially nasty side-effects that governments didn't want to hear and a powerful political lobby that grasped fluoridation as a cheap means of mass medication." - IRISH INDEPENDENT, "Teething Trouble", June 22, 2004

"This startling and terrifying book could not be more timely." - THE ECOLOGIST, "Book of the Month", September 2004

"'The Fluoride Deception' reads like a whodunit. There are conspiracies, cover-ups, human casualties, and broken careers. The prime suspects in this toxic thriller are compounds of fluoride; the coconspirators represent industry, the military, and the public health community. At the book's ending, the suspect chemicals are not proven guilty beyond a reasonable doubt, but we are left with compelling evidence that powerful interests with high financial stakes have colluded to prematurely close honest discussion and investigation into fluoride toxicity." - CHEMICAL & ENGINEERING NEWS, "Is Fluoride Really All that Safe?", August 16, 2004

"Journalists and watchdog groups regularly raise hell about just the sort of industry corruption of public health policy described in The Fluoride Deception. We don't brand the watchdogs as conspiracy theorists; we thank them for doing their job. After reading Bryson's account of our national infatuation with fluoride, it's hard not to wonder how we could have ignored so serious an issue for so long." - NATURAL RESOURCES DEFENSE COUNCIL, "On Earth" Newsletter, Fall 2004

ABOUT the AUTHOR

CHRISTOPHER BRYSON is an award winning investigative reporter and a television producer. He covered Guatemalan Army human rights abuses from Central America in the late 1980's for the BBC World Service, National Public Radio and The Atlanta Constitution. In 1989 he was part of an investigative team that won a George Polk Award and Sidney Hillman Prize with Jonathan Kwitny at Public Television's The Kwitny Report. In 1999 he won a Project Censored award with medical writer Joel Griffiths.

Excerpt from Interview:

1. What prompted you to write "The Fluoride Deception"?

I'm a reporter. I don?t know how many modern stories have the same epic reach of history and rich cast of characters as you will find in "The Fluoride Deception."

I stumbled on the story in 1993. I was working in New York as a BBC radio producer and was asked to find "an American angle" on water fluoridation. Ralph Nader put me in touch with a couple of government scientists (William Hirzy at the EPA and Robert Carton at the U.S. Army) who opposed water fluoridation, and explained how the science underpinning the nation?s fluoride safety standards was fraudulent...

I just kept reporting.
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article excerpt:

But what is distinguishable about fluoride politics is the connection between this ion and the prevention of dental cavities. Bryson shows us how fluoride's dental applications were skillfully used by corporate stakeholders in their campaign to derail more stringent air and occupational standards for industrial fluoride emissions. Similarly, defense lawyers exploited the positive side of fluoride to protect companies from worker-injury suits.

AS THE SAYING GOES in the public health community, adopting an antifluoridation position is a career breaker. This is illustrated in the book by the case of Phyllis Mullenix, a neurotoxicologist hired by the Forsyth Dental Center in Boston to investigate materials used in dentistry. Mullenix found evidence of fluoride neurotoxicity in experimental rats. Mullenix showed that with chronic exposure, the fluoride ion could cross the blood-brain barrier. Moreover, when fluoridated water was fed to pregnant rats, she found the offspring exhibited behavior resembling hyperactivity.

Mullenix recalls the response of a Forsyth administrator to her findings: "You are going against what the dentists and everybody have been publishing for 50 years, that this [fluoride] is safe and effective. You must be wrong. ... You are jeopardizing the entire support of this entire institution. If you publish these studies, NIDR [the National Institute of Dental Research] is not going to fund any more research at Forsyth." Her studies were published in Neurotoxicology & Teratology. But within days after the paper's acceptance, her contract with Forsyth was not renewed.

IS FLUORIDE REALLY ALL THAT SAFE? Full Article from chemical engineering news

 http://pubs.acs.org/cen/books/8233/8233books.html

Video interview with author:

 http://www.fluoridealert.org/bryson.htm

More reviews and commentary

 http://www.fluoridealert.org/fluoride-deception.htm

yes, flouride 23.Mar.2005 09:56

is proven

... to reduce tooth decay.

so what? that's no argument for putting it in the water. oral polio vaccine is proven to reduce the incidence of polio, by your logic we should put that in the water, too!

there's ways to administer medicine to those who need it other than putting it in the water supply and forcing it on everyone. such as public-health programs that distribute it to vulnerable populations. what's wrong with distributing fluoride rinses in the schools like they distribute vaccines?

that way, those who don't need the medicine, or those who simply don't want it, aren't force-fed it. as others have written, fluoride does have adverse health effects. as do most medicines. let those who don't think the trade-offs are worth it opt out.

fluoride is the only medicine distributed this way, and the usa is one of the only countries to do this with fluoride. that's bizarre.

finally, fluoride harms fish. it harms fish in extremely minute quantities. quantities comparable with what you get when a sewage plant in a city that fluoridates its water discharges effluent into a river.

Portland

what about absorption by the skin 23.Mar.2005 15:22

Indy

A poster above mentioned there is a way to filter out fluoride in your drinking water, but what about filtering it so that it does not absorb into the skin? Such as a shower head filter--does one exist that can filter out fluoride? I have heard that absorption of fluoride thru the skin is just as, if not more of a problem than drinking it. Anyone who has an answer, please tell us.

ahhhh Dentists and their advice! 23.Mar.2005 15:31

detoxing as we speak

Well, no, flouride never was proven to fight cavities. Unless you believe the same estabblishment that said smoking cigarettes is harmless. And whose idea was it to put mercury in everyone's mouths? If you've got "amalgam" fillings from mid 70s or later they are 50% mercury.


As for finding clean drinking water,
those reverse osmosis machines found at some food stores will remove flouride and cost about 30 cents per gallon.

have you ever noticed.. 28.Mar.2005 22:07

I use toothpaste -- it's flouridated

That the bottles of toothpaste say that you should contact a poison control center if you swallow more than a miniscule amount? Now what should that say about our drinking water? that we should then only drink a tiny amount?

FLUORIDE IS POISON! 20.Apr.2005 18:36

dmc dmcow@msn.com

My body inside was being eaten up with acid (fluoride) I didn't know what was wrong with me, all from fluoride in green tea and bottled water. I thought I had diabetes and more. Fluoride made my bones longer and aged me 15 years with wrinkles. When I was at my worst I was like one of these mad cows. I was so weak that I could not stand my own weight (105 pounds). The doctor ran tests. Everything was ok. Medical doctors don't know shit!! The next day I went to a naturpathic doctor. The test results came back that I was off the chart twice the maximum limit mercury poisoning. The acid fluoride had eaten into the almalgams in my mouth!! I was poisoned with fluoride and mercury and MORE!! My whole body inside was messed up!!
ANYONE who wants fluoride is sick!! Fluoride is a hazardous waste product!! Doctors and dentists are too stupid to know the truth about fluoride!! They don't want to know the truth because it's money, money, money! Promoters tell lies....fluoride is ALL about money and greed. More medical bills, more filling, more drilling, more billing. Doctors and dentists love fluoride.....it's BIG business! LOTS OF MONEY for them!! Wake up america! Rickets is back...know what that is? It's crippling disease....fluoride depletes and destroys calcium in bones and teeth! Fluoride depletes iodine, hence thyroid problems. Fluoride is ACID! Toxic waste chemicals are disposed of by feeding to humans, then calling it fluoride. It's in table salt, butter, cheese, bread, milk, where ever something is produced that has water in it where fluoride is...you got fluoride. Fluoride causes ALL kinds of health problems, fluoride causes MORE cavities. If whoever wants fluoride coated teeth....they can get it!! Leave the rest of us to our own choice!! Promoters, I hope you choke on it!!

EEgads 24.Apr.2005 22:39

Silva

I once lived in Vancouver Washington.
The water was never a big issue, so it was not something i was ever aware of. You go about your daily life and unless there are people who know such things you just live as you always do. I think that is the big problem, many, like me, get so caught up in the basic survival of their families, I.e. going to work, caring for kids and trying to get a good nights sleep that we all but ignore all the crap happening beyond that unless it ends up in the news.
After suffering sever and mysterious health issues in the last 4 years and reading all the commentary, it makes me wonder. Doctors have been stumped, tests come back "within normal range"
Now living in Central Oregon, i would hate to subject my family to all of it again. In vancouver, we were sent yearly reports of the water contents, i remember seeing cyanide in the list several times. Shit, if the lack of proper medical coverage and the smog and crime don't kill ya, surely the water will!
thanx for the info

Fluoride poisoned along with amalgam poisoning 14.Aug.2005 18:14

Former Beaverton resident dmcow@msn.com

My home of 25 years in Beaverton I was forced to sell because they fluoridated the water. I am NOT allergic to anything...I cannot even touch the water, or wear clothes that have been washed in it. I researched all possibilities to stay there, non of which were financially possible. My body was being eaten up inside with acid (fluoride) as I was poisoned on green tea and drank bottled water with fluoride a year before the water was fluoridated. The doctors thought it was ALL in my head. My heals burned as if someone had dragged me 10 blocks down the street. I didn't feel like even getting up in the mornings, I felt so awful. It got into my bones...my teeth are shot! On the outside it has aged me at least 10 years...on the inside I have bone cancer and not only that. When Beaverton fluoridated I drank some water by accident and it hit me again attacking the mercury fillings in my mouth. I was diagnosed by a naturapathic doctor as being twice the maximum limit off the chart with mercury poisoning. Also I had high levels of lead, low Calcium, Magnesium low, Zinc high, Copper high, Manganese low, Molybdenum low, in the mean zone with levels (low)of Iodine, Sodium, Postassium, Boron, Lithium, Selenium, Strontium and there's more!!

To all of you who "want" fluoride....YOU manage your own life and leave the rest of us alone! YOU eat, drink, and love ALL the fluoride YOU want! Fluoride is NOTHING BUT POISON!! I believe that Mad Cow disease is all about fluoride....because when I was at my worst I could not even hold my own weight...I was so weak, my mouth was foaming, I couldn't even think!! I just wanted to shoot myself!!

ALL you promoters....don't have a clue about fluoride. You're ALL in a power struggle. WHO's going to win? WIN! WIN! WIN! Beat the opponets out!! You ALL need to be poisoned with fluoride!! WAKE UP YOU BASTARDS!! Don't you have anything better to do than make decisions for everyone!! Just who do you think you are?

Fluoride makes you fat 08.Sep.2005 13:32

Naomi Carey naomicarey@att.net

If you look at areas where there is a high level of fluoride in the water. You will also notice the obesity rate for that area is also higher. Fluoride is toxic, and should not be consumed by humans. An excellent book to read is Natural Cures they don't want you to know about by Kevin Trudeau. If you consume any water it should be spring water only. Everyone needs to have a filters in there water systems, that eliminate the chemicals, particularly fluoride and chlorine.

Bellingham Washington Fights Fluoridation 16.Sep.2005 22:10

Fluoride Issue member@noforcedfluoride.org

Here is a great site on the fluoride issue in Bellingham, Washington. They are opposing fluoridation.

 http://www.noforcedfluoride.org
50 reasons to be against fluoridation
50 reasons to be against fluoridation