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I will see you in the concentration camps

A friend told me he just read an article that claimed Bush has ordered some tropps to return for training for the internment camps (FEMA). I would suggest all of us to prepare and spread the word. And if you are a police officer I will tell you this you most likely not be an exception to the rounding up (sure at first they will use you with excuses to protect the good of the society, but where will you draw the line.. at the minorities? at the anarchists? at your neighbors? at your children? at your spouse? at your parents?).

"They came for the communists, and I did not speak up because I wasn't a communist; They came for the socialists, and I did not speak up because I was not a socialist; They came for the union leaders, and I did not speak up because I wasn't a union leader;
They came for the Jews, and I didn't speak up because I wasn't a Jew. Then they came for me, and there was no one left to speak up for me."
Martin Niemoller, 1892-1984

Maybe the "liberals" will be assigned "red star", the homosexuals will get the "pink triangle", Pagans will get "pentegrams"....
(Read this if you think they have not considered labels:
 http://www.mydd.com/story/2005/3/2/194246/9774 )
Monday, March 07, 2005
Foundations Are In Place For Martial Law In The US
The Sydney Morning Herald
By Ritt Goldstein

Recent pronouncements from the Bush Administration and national security initiatives put in place in the Reagan era could see internment camps and martial law in the United States.

When president Ronald Reagan was considering invading Nicaragua he issued a series of executive orders that provided the Federal Emergency Management Agency (FEMA) with broad powers in the event of a "crisis" such as "violent and widespread internal dissent or national opposition against a US military invasion abroad". They were never used.

But with the looming possibility of a US invasion of Iraq, recent pronouncements by President George Bush's domestic security chief, Tom Ridge, and an official with the US Civil Rights Commission should fire concerns that these powers could be employed or a de facto drift into their deployment could occur.

On July 20 the Detroit Free Press ran a story entitled "Arabs in US could be held, official warns". The story referred to a member of the US Civil Rights Commission who foresaw the possibility of internment camps for Arab Americans. FEMA has practised for such an occasion.

FEMA, whose main role is disaster response, is also responsible for handling US domestic unrest.

From 1982-84 Colonel Oliver North assisted FEMA in drafting its civil defence preparations. Details of these plans emerged during the 1987 Iran-Contra scandal.

They included executive orders providing for suspension of the constitution, the imposition of martial law, internment camps, and the turning over of government to the president and FEMA.

A Miami Herald article on July 5, 1987, reported that the former FEMA director Louis Guiffrida's deputy, John Brinkerhoff, handled the martial law portion of the planning. The plan was said to be similar to one Mr Giuffrida had developed earlier to combat "a national uprising by black militants". It provided for the detention "of at least 21million American Negroes"' in "assembly centres or relocation camps".

Today Mr Brinkerhoff is with the highly influential Anser Institute for Homeland Security.

Following a request by the Pentagon in January that the US military be allowed the option of deploying troops on American streets, the institute in February published a paper by Mr Brinkerhoff arguing the legality of this.

He alleged that the Posse Comitatus Act of 1878, which has long been accepted as prohibiting such deployments, had simply been misunderstood and misapplied.

The preface to the article also provided the revelation that the national plan he had worked on, under Mr Giuffrida, was "approved by Reagan, and actions were taken to implement it".

By April, the US military had created a Northern Command to aid Homeland defence. Reuters reported that the command is "mainly expected to play a supporting role to local authorities".

However, Mr Ridge, the Director of Homeland Security, has just advocated a review of US law regarding the use of the military for law enforcement duties.

Disturbingly, the full facts and final contents of Mr Reagan's national plan remain uncertain. This is in part because President Bush took the unusual step of sealing the Reagan presidential papers last November. However, many of the key figures of the Reagan era are part of the present administration, including John Poindexter, to whom Oliver North later reported.

At the time of the Reagan initiatives, the then attorney-general, William French Smith, wrote to the national security adviser, Robert McFarlane: "I believe that the role assigned to the Federal Emergency Management Agency in the revised Executive Order exceeds its proper function as a co-ordinating agency for emergency preparedness ... this department and others have repeatedly raised serious policy and legal objections to an 'emergency czar' role for FEMA."

Criticism of the Bush Administration's response to September11 echoes Mr Smith's warning. On June 7 the former presidential counsel John Dean spoke of America's sliding into a "constitutional dictatorship" and martial law.

Ritt Goldstein is an investigative journalist and a former leader in the movement for US law enforcement accountability. He revealed exclusively in the Herald last week the Bush Administration's plans for a domestic spying system more pervasive than the Stasi network in East Germany.

posted by GREG ERICSON at 9:30 PM



Tommy Franks: Martial Law Will Replace Constitution After Next Terror Attack


Gen. Tommy Franks says that if the United States is hit with a weapon of mass destruction that inflicts large casualties, the Constitution will likely be discarded in favor of a military form of government.

Franks, who successfully led the U.S. military operation to liberate Iraq, expressed his worries in an extensive interview he gave to the men�s lifestyle magazine Cigar Aficionado.

In the magazine�s December edition, the former commander of the military�s Central Command warned that if terrorists succeeded in using a weapon of mass destruction (WMD) against the U.S. or one of our allies, it would likely have catastrophic consequences for our cherished republican form of government.

Discussing the hypothetical dangers posed to the U.S. in the wake of Sept. 11, Franks said that �the worst thing that could happen� is if terrorists acquire and then use a biological, chemical or nuclear weapon that inflicts heavy casualties.

If that happens, Franks said, �... the Western world, the free world, loses what it cherishes most, and that is freedom and liberty we�ve seen for a couple of hundred years in this grand experiment that we call democracy.�

Franks then offered �in a practical sense� what he thinks would happen in the aftermath of such an attack.

�It means the potential of a weapon of mass destruction and a terrorist, massive, casualty-producing event somewhere in the Western world � it may be in the United States of America � that causes our population to question our own Constitution and to begin to militarize our country in order to avoid a repeat of another mass, casualty-producing event. Which in fact, then begins to unravel the fabric of our Constitution. Two steps, very, very important.�

Franks didn�t speculate about how soon such an event might take place.

Already, critics of the U.S. Patriot Act, rushed through Congress in the wake of the Sept. 11 attacks, have argued that the law aims to curtail civil liberties and sets a dangerous precedent.

But Franks� scenario goes much further. He is the first high-ranking official to openly speculate that the Constitution could be scrapped in favor of a military form of government.

The usually camera-shy Franks retired from U.S. Central Command, known in Pentagon lingo as CentCom, in August 2003, after serving nearly four decades in the Army.

Franks earned three Purple Hearts for combat wounds and three Bronze Stars for valor. Known as a �soldier�s general,� Franks made his mark as a top commander during the U.S.�s successful Operation Desert Storm, which liberated Kuwait in 1991. He was in charge of CentCom when Osama bin Laden�s al-Qaeda attacked the United States on Sept. 11.

Franks said that within hours of the attacks, he was given orders to prepare to root out the Taliban in Afghanistan and to capture bin Laden.

Franks offered his assessment on a number of topics to Cigar Aficionado, including:

President Bush: �As I look at President Bush, I think he will ultimately be judged as a man of extremely high character. A very thoughtful man, not having been appraised properly by those who would say he�s not very smart. I find the contrary. I think he�s very, very bright. And I suspect that he�ll be judged as a man who led this country through a crease in history effectively. Probably we�ll think of him in years to come as an American hero.�

On the motivation for the Iraq war: Contrary to claims that top Pentagon brass opposed the invasion of Iraq, Franks said he wholeheartedly agreed with the president�s decision to invade Iraq and oust Saddam Hussein.

�I, for one, begin with intent. ... There is no question that Saddam Hussein had intent to do harm to the Western alliance and to the United States of America. That intent is confirmed in a great many of his speeches, his commentary, the words that have come out of the Iraqi regime over the last dozen or so years. So we have intent.

�If we know for sure ... that a regime has intent to do harm to this country, and if we have something beyond a reasonable doubt that this particular regime may have the wherewithal with which to execute the intent, what are our actions and orders as leaders in this country?�

The Pentagon�s deck of cards: Asked how the Pentagon decided to put its most-wanted Iraqis on a set of playing cards, Franks explained its genesis. He recalled that when his staff identified the most notorious Iraqis the U.S. wanted to capture, �it just turned out that the number happened to be about the same as a deck of cards. And so somebody said, �Aha, this will be the ace of spades.��

Capturing Saddam: Franks said he was not surprised that Saddam has not been captured or killed. But he says he will eventually be found, perhaps sooner than Osama bin laden.

�The capture or killing of Saddam Hussein will be a near term thing. And I won�t say that�ll be within 19 or 43 days. ... I believe it is inevitable.�

Franks ended his interview with a less-than-optimistic note. �It�s not in the history of civilization for peace ever to reign. Never has in the history of man. ... I doubt that we�ll ever have a time when the world will actually be at peace.�




There over 600 prison camps in the United States, all fully operational and ready to receive prisoners. They are all staffed and even surrounded by full-time guards, but they are all empty. These camps are to be operated by FEMA (Federal Emergency Management Agency) should Martial Law need to be implemented in the United States.

The Rex 84 Program was established on the reasoning that if a mass exodus of illegal aliens crossed the Mexican/US border, they would be quickly rounded up and detained in detention centers by FEMA. Rex 84 allowed many military bases to be closed down and to be turned into prisons.

Operation Cable Splicer and Garden Plot are the two sub programs which will be implemented once the Rex 84 program is initiated for its proper purpose. Garden Plot is the program to control the population. Cable Splicer is the program for an orderly takeover of the state and local governments by the federal government. FEMA is the executive arm of the coming police state and thus will head up all operations. The Presidential Executive Orders already listed on the Federal Register also are part of the legal framework for this operation.

The camps all have railroad facilities as well as roads leading to and from the detention facilities. Many also have an airport nearby. The majority of the camps can house a population of 20,000 prisoners. Currently, the largest of these facilities is just outside of Fairbanks, Alaska. The Alaskan facility is a massive mental health facility and can hold approximately 2 million people.

A person named Terry Kings wrote an article on his discoveries of camps
located in southern California. His findings are as follows:

Over the last couple months several of us have investigated three soon-to-be prison camps in the Southern California area. We had heard about these sites and wanted to see them for ourselves.

The first one we observed was in Palmdale, California. It is not operating as a prison at the moment but is masquerading as part of a water facility. Now why would there be a facility of this nature out in the middle of nowhere with absolutely no prisoners? The fences that run for miles around this large facility all point inward, and there are large mounds of dirt and dry moat surrounding the central area so the inside area is not visible from the road. There are 3 large loading docks facing the entrance that can be observed from the road. What are these massive docks going to be loading?

We observed white vans patrolling the area and one came out and greeted us with a friendly wave and followed us until we had driven safely beyond the area. What would have happened had we decided to enter the open gate or ask questions?

This facility is across the street from the Palmdale Water Department. The area around the Water Department has fences pointing outward, to keep people out of this dangerous area so as not to drown. Yet, across the street, the fences all point inward. Why? To keep people in? What people? Who are going to be it�s occupants?

There are also signs posted every 50 feet stating: State of California Trespassing Loitering Forbidden By Law Section 555 California Penal Code.

The sign at the entrance says: Pearblossom Operations and Maintenance Subcenter Receiving Department, 34534 116th Street East. There is also a guard shack located at the entrance.

We didn�t venture into this facility, but did circle around it to see if there was anything else visible from the road. We saw miles of fences with the top points all directed inward. There is a railroad track that runs next to the perimeter of this fenced area. The loading docks are large enough to hold railroad cars.

I wonder what they are planning for this facility? They could easily fit 100,000 people in this area. And who would the occupants be?

Another site is located in Brand Park in Glendale. There are newly constructed fences (all outfitted with new wiring that point inward). The fences surround a dry reservoir. There are also new buildings situated in the area. We questioned the idea that there were four armed military personnel walking the park. Since when does a public park need armed guards?

A third site visited was in the San Fernando Valley, adjacent to the Water District. Again, the area around the actual Water District had fences logically pointing out (to keep people out of the dangerous area). And the rest of the adjacent area which went on for several miles was ringed with fences and barbed wire facing inward (to keep what or who in?) Also, interesting was the fact that the addition to the tops of the fences were fairly new as to not even contain any sign of rust on them. Within the grounds was a huge building that the guard said was a training range for policemen. There were newly constructed roads, new gray military looking buildings, and a landing strip. For what? Police cars were constantly patrolling the several mile perimeter of the area.

From the parking lot of the Odyssey Restaurant a better view could be taken of the area that was hidden from site from the highway. There was an area that contained about 100 black boxes that looked like railroad cars. We had heard that loads of railroad cars have been manufactured in Oregon outfitted with shackles. Would these be of that nature? From our position it was hard to determine.

In searching the Internet, I have discovered that there are about 600 of these prison sites around the country (and more literally popping up overnight do they work all night). They are manned, but yet do not contain prisoners. Why do they need all these non-operating prisons? What are they waiting for? We continuously hear that our current prisons are overcrowded and they are releasing prisoners because of this situation. But what about all these facilities? What are they really for? Why are there armed guards yet no one to protect themselves against? And what is going to be the kick-off point to put these facilities into operation?

What would bring about a situation that would call into effect the need for these new prison facilities? A man-made or natural catastrophe? An earthquake, panic due to Y2K, a massive poisoning, a panic of such dimensions to cause nationwide panic?

Once a major disaster occurs (whether it is a real event or manufactured event does not matter) Martial Law is hurriedly put in place and we are all in the hands of the government agencies (FEMA) who thus portray themselves as our protectors. Yet what happens when we question those in authority and how they are taking away all of our freedoms? Will we be the ones detained in these camp sites? And who are they going to round up? Those with guns? Those who ask questions? Those that want to know what�s really going on? Does that include any of us? The seekers of truth?

When first coming across this information I was in a state of total denial. How could this be? I believed our country was free, and always felt a sense of comfort in knowing that as long as we didn�t hurt others in observing our freedom we were left to ourselves. Ideally we treated everyone with respect and honored their uniqueness and hoped that others did likewise.

It took an intensive year of searching into the hidden politics to discover that we are as free as we believe we are. If we are in denial, we don�t see the signs that are staring at us, but keep our minds turned off and busy with all the mundane affairs of daily life.

We just don�t care enough to find out the real truth, and settle for the hand-fed stories that come our way over the major media sources television, radio, newspaper, and magazines. But it�s too late to turn back to the days of blindfolds and hiding our heads in the sand because the reality is becoming very clear. The time is fast approaching when we will be the ones asking "What happened to our freedom? To our free speech? To our right to protect ourselves and our family? To think as an individual? To express ourselves in whatever way we wish?"

Once we challenge that freedom we find out how free we really are. How many are willing to take up that challenge? Very few indeed, otherwise we wouldn�t find ourselves in the situation that we are in at the present time. We wouldn�t have let things progress and get out of the hands of the public and into the hands of those that seek to keep us under their control no matter what it takes, and that includes the use of force and detainment for those that ask the wrong questions.

Will asking questions be outlawed next? Several instances have recently been reported where those that were asking questions that came too near the untold truth (the cover up) were removed from the press conferences and from the public�s ear. Also, those that wanted to speak to the press were detained and either imprisoned, locked in a psychiatric hospital, slaughtered (through make-believe suicides) or discredited.

Why are we all in denial over these possibilities? Didn�t we hear about prison camps in Germany, and even in the United States during World War II? Japanese individuals were rounded up and placed in determent camps during the duration of the War. Where was their freedom?

You don�t think it could happen to you? Obviously those rounded up and killed didn�t think it could happen to them either. How could decent people have witnessed such atrocities and still said nothing? Are we going to do the same here as they cart off one by one those individuals who are taking a stand for the rights of the citizens as they expose the truth happening behind the scenes? Are we all going to sit there and wonder what happened to this country of ours? Where did we go wrong? How could we let it happen?



psych-ops 20.Mar.2005 21:35


It's all psych-ops. They leak all this crap to make you believe they're going to go Nazi on us all. It's just to make us paranoid and discombobulated with fear, like color coded 'terror' alerts.

Can I have some more information 20.Mar.2005 21:44

I Are ReTarD

on the concentration camps? I've been waiting for so long, longer than the end of times even. I hope it happens soon.


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Mock Camps 21.Mar.2005 09:50


I've seen these pix before. They're supposedly from a mock-up POW camp somewhere in Oklahoma, used for training back in the Korean era. Doesn't really look too secure now, does it? A little razor wire, a rickety guntower, and a too-obvious street sign spelling out 'POW CAMP" does not a concentration camp make. They can barely keep the present prison population under control inside the most secure lockups in history. You think that ridiculous cow pasture with a bedframe for a gate is going to keep thousands of angry Americans at bay? This is dumber than that obviously photo-shopped pic of the oil tanker 'Condoleezza Rice' that's everywhere.

the high efficiency of FEMA 21.Mar.2005 10:19

greg snyder

Ask the residents of the state of Florida how effectively FEMA helped them cleaning up after the 4 hurricanes that slammed it last year. It isn't exactly the picture of efficiency. However, the incentive of instituting a fascist state under martial law might prove more incentive than helping out after a natural disaster. Still, it's hard for me to believe that FEMA could do anything effectively, whether it's disaster relief or rounding up whatever the government considers to be its opposition.

Spot the spin... 21.Mar.2005 10:40

Tony Blair's dog

"This is dumber than that obviously photo-shopped pic of the oil tanker 'Condoleezza Rice' that's everywhere."

Well, regarding that Chevron actually named one of their tankers after Rice, should we regard the rest of your comment as disinformation too?

bow wow 21.Mar.2005 13:17


Bow Wow doggie- I just KNEW that was coming. I never said the tanker story was false. I just said a lot of websites printed a photo-shopped picture of the tanker, although the paste job was way obvious. Here's the fake one (with the Chevron symbol) and the real one from ABC News.

Funny... 21.Mar.2005 14:17

Tony Blair's dog

how I must have missed all those sites "everywhere" carrying the fake image.

Who the fuck needs prison camps? 21.Mar.2005 14:22

Eduardo Plata

What makes any of you think this government intends to use 'prison camps' other than that it's been done in the past? Past is indeed prologue, but in this instance the answer you were looking for is right under your nose, and has been since Nancy suggested you "just say no" to drugs.

In 1980 at the inception of the 'War on Drugs' there were 19,000 people in prison in the US on drug charges. In 2001, the Bureau of Justice Statistics reports that number was 246,100. The rise in violent crime concurrent with the 'crackdown' on drugs, users, and dealers contributed to an almost five-fold increase in the number of violent criminals in jail from 173,300 in 1980 to 596,100 in 2001.

States and localities nationwide leapt on the "NEED MORE PRISONS" bandwagon. Highlighting the bipartisan nature of this looming threat to your security, in the 1990s "the rated capacity of State public and private prisons rose 81% during the decade" (  http://www.ojp.usdoj.gov/bjs/pub/pdf/p00.pdf ).

More than two million men and women are currently incarcerated in the US, making us the world's leading jailer. Not China. Not Iran. Not Zimbabwe. Not Cuba. America.

What does any of this have to do with prison camps? Not a hell of a lot. All I'm suggesting is that -if there's martial law, a political crackdown, or some other Doomsday scenario- there are plenty of high-security beds in our own patriotic Lil' Abu Ghraibs scattered all across this country.

When someone comes for you, your bed will still smell like the hapless crackhead they just kicked out of it to make way for you. Did you mistake the noose around your neck for capitalism's reassuring embrace?

derrr.... 21.Mar.2005 15:59


Oh wow doggie- if YOU didn't see the pic, it must not be happening, huh? Try googling "Condoleezza Rice Chevron Tanker photo" and see how often that dumb pic pops up on 'alternative' news & opinion sites. Over and over again. Just because someone puts together a web page full of paranoia and snapshots from the set of 'Hogans Heroes' doesn't mean the new Auschwitz is just around the corner. I notice you never have any in depth comments or points to make. You're like a nasty little Greek Chorus of one. And Tony Blair freakin' blows bigtime. Why identify with him or his dog? Anyway, I just have to laugh at the gullibility of people. Eduardo is right on. They already have PLENTY of room for more prisoners. You want concentration camp? Try Sheriff Joe in Maricopa County (Phoenix) Arizona and his 'Tent City' jails, with green bologna sandwhiches every day, pink underwear, and chain gangs.

Mississippi Militia? 21.Mar.2005 18:19

Not a credible source

I noticed some of the photos come from the Mississippi Militia. Sorry, but I'd like to see some non-militia confirmation of this news. No offense to right-wing conspiracy-freak gun nuts, of course.

They don't want us in prison camps, morons 21.Mar.2005 19:39


They want busy at work. America is a big fucking plush prison already. Now GET TO GOD-DAMNED WORK!

2 detailed posts on RED AND BLUE category death camps, same as Nazis... 21.Mar.2005 23:39



Coming American Holocaust (police state murder infrastructure in place)BOX CAR DEATH CAMPS
author: Willie Martin

With a seven-inch thick portfolio filled with photographs, news articles, correspondence, etc., Mr. Sea (intentionally anonymous) is a former inspector for the Joint Chiefs of Staff and the Department of Defense, with 31 years of federal service in the military, nine with the Department of Defense, including two years with the Air Staff --- holder of the Bronze Star, the Purple Heart, the Defense Meritorious Service Medal, three awards of the Joint Service Medal --- spoke of the coming American Holocaust of the Government's plans for dealing with the non-New World Orderites --- infrastructure that has already been set up to incarcerate and execute Americans, and the locations of the facilities...all with photographs --- Mr. Sea: "On August 6, 1994, I toured the Amtrak Railcar Repair Facility at Beech Grove, Indianapolis, Indiana. There are at least ten maintenance barns at this facility, covering 129 acres, with two separate fences with the tops leaning inward. The windows of several buildings have been bricked up....There are three helicopter 25-knot aviation wind socks (which aren't the correct ones to use for chemical spills which require 10-knot wind socks). There are high security NSA-style people turnstiles, and high intensity/security lighting for 24-hour operation. The box car (gas chamber) building fence is marked with special 'RED/BLUE Zone' signs [visible in the photo ]. This corresponds to the 'mission' of the RED/BLUE Lists which surfaced in June and July of 1996. Under martial law, this will become a death camp. They're only going to handle category one and two (RED and BLUE) people there. This box car facility will be used for execution.


Title: SHACKLED BOXCARS in OR,TX,,MT,NH, NC; & intervew w/imported NATO crack troops
Author: your 'need to know' basis promotion
Date: 2004.03.02 02:16
Description: It has since been learned that GUNDERSON STEEL FABRICATION is under secret contract from the U.S. government to produce these prisoner boxcars. The company received an order from the federal government to build 107,200 full length railroad boxcars with the shackles inside. Gunderson has a satellite factory for making the boxcars with shackles in Texas. Interestingly, Gunderson became the launching pad where then-presidential candidate Governor George W. Bush introduced his plan for social security reform on May 16, 2000, a major part of the current president's platform. Apparently, Mr. Bush has some special relation with Gunderson. --- It is no secret that the U.S. steel industry, which has undergone one of the most horrific depressions of any domestic industry over the past 30 years, is emerging from this long decline with remarkable rapidity. We reported in a Gold-Eagle [investment news] column in January 2001 that shares of leading U.S. steel maker Bethlehem Steel were being enormously accumulated by insiders. --- Since that initial report in January 2001, Bethlehem Steel shares have risen in excess of 400%. Such an impressive percentage gain in such a short period of time (especially considering the slow-moving nature of this sector) bespeaks of something extremely unusual on the horizon that will improve the fortunes of America's languishing steel industry. --- THAT SOMETHING IS MARSHALL LAW PLANS AND THE CONSTRUCTION OF A POLICE STATE INFRASTRUCTURE. --- Gunderson got over 2 billion dollars. --- One of the cars was seen by Phil Schneider in a rail yard in NORTH PORTLAND, OREGON.


duh 22.Mar.2005 03:16


I thought Martial Law was supposed to start right after the election.

Or something.

What's the Southeast Portland paranoid party line this month?

More BS 22.Mar.2005 10:29


We're supposed to believe this "Mr. Anonymous" because the source is highly decorated by the armed forces? No one is more decorated than Bo Gritz, and he's one of the biggest assholes in the country. Choo-choo Casey Jones. Amtrak is lucky it can make it to the next stop, much less become the Genocide Express.

Red and Blue 23.Mar.2005 08:11


Maybe we will luck out and the "Red and Blue" areas will be for the dunderheads that belong to the two (or is it one) respective parties.