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a surprise found in PDX's afternoon bright skie's

this afternoon around 2:00PM, I was outside enjoying the odd-day of
local sunshine, when it occurred to me that the Sun was a lot brighter
than it normally is. Naturally, I wasn't going to look directly into
the Sun to risk burning my eye's retinas, but the more I thought about
it, the more curious I became...
...not being able to quell my curiosity, I eventually went into the garage and got out my
welder's mask. It'd been in there age's since I last used it, and finally finding it, I had
to clean off the mask, and simple opted to remove the glass piece ((a #10 welder's glass)) and
was back outside by around 2:45PM to then view the Sun directly with this viewing aid.

I was astounded at what I saw>>>there is "something" between us ((Earth)) and the Sun, and it
is rather large in appearance, and has a lot of smaller "stuff" around it, along with what I'm
assuming is a large dust cloud of whatever origins. It is very difficult to see even with a
#10 welder's glass, and you have to tilt the glass a little from direct perpendicular viewing
till it snaps into focus...when it does...you'll be amazed!

As far as relative size...here goes as to my estimation>>>taking the Sun to be the reference
circle, I'd say the object viewed is about the size of maybe 1/100th (+ or -) of the Sun's size, with the large dust cloud (what was visable by me) being maybe 10 times as large, thus
given it at approximately 1/10th the size of the Sun. The smaller swarm of objects were a lot
less in size and most difficult to estimate their relative size...they were small is how I'll
put it. After about 5 minute's of viewing, I gave up further viewing as I don't want to do
any damnage to my eyes. If you do decide to look...be sure that you do so with the utmost in
eye-protection...a #10 welder's glass is what I used...maybe there is something else that'll
do as well?

Anyway, if there is time yet today, please take a look-see and report what you saw too!

My next door neighbor also came over as he saw we doing this, and of course, I explained it all to him...he too saw the same thing and helped me come up with relative sizing. So, I say
this so you'll know this isn't some hoax. Check it out for yourselves. Then, let's find out
what in the heck it is all about!

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thanks, questioner, here's meterologist noting odd sun 'ships' 07.Feb.2005 16:56

me

any relation to these images:

Finally, TV meterologist puts up website on scalar weather warfare: www.weatherwars.info
 http://portland.indymedia.org/en/2005/01/307863.shtml

. . .

The Censored Sun

Best I can tell the RODS act like crochet hooks pulling at the Sun's magnetic field cleaning, unraveling, stimulating the development of prominences, and eruptions/ejections. Smaller ships sit in the corneal holes, the dark regions in the above picture, keeping the holes open. I am certainly open to ideas from others who have watched these guys working as closely as we are allowed.

NASA began running a filter over these images on May 28, 2004 and that greatly reduces the appearances of these workers.

Now we have to dig into the archives!

 http://portland.indymedia.org/en/2005/01/307863.shtml
 http://www.weatherwars.info/SOHO%20Index_EIT284.htm

What are the telescopes showing? 07.Feb.2005 18:20

sun gazer

Does this tie in to Jim McCanney's theory of the Physics of Sun-Earth Weather?

lens blemishes 07.Feb.2005 19:55

clamydia

The first thing that comes to mind is possible irregularties or blemishes on the lens you used. Did you try using a different lens to corroborate your findings?

Also, there are a number of ways to dim the sun enough to look at without damaging the eyes. This site recommends a #14 welder's lens among other things, so assuming that the number of the welder's lens increases with the amount of protection, your viewing may not have been safe. A quick google search led me to it:  http://sunearth.gsfc.nasa.gov/eclipse/SEhelp/safety.html

actually 07.Feb.2005 19:59

clamydia

Now that I think about it, I'm sure you probably moved the lens around a bit since you were holding it in your hand, which would make apparent the difference between objects in the sky and blemishes on the lens. Weird!

YOU'VE GOT TO TRY THIS 08.Feb.2005 00:39

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Get a pair of binoculars - or better yet, a telescope or spotting scope on a tripod.
Get a piece of white paper - or better yet, a piece of white cardboard.
Aim telescope at sun - DO NOT USE YOUR EYES TO FIND IT! Instead, hold paper a few inches from eyepiece and move scope around until you see bright spot on paper.
That's an image of the sun being projected onto the paper. Move the paper back, the projection enlarges.
If you darken the windows and make a tube from the window to the scope, you can get an image of the sun on the wall that is 4-5-6 feet across.
And you can focus it so clearly that sunspots can be seen in detail when they appear.
Try it, you'll like it.
And the moon too.

Careful 08.Feb.2005 08:36

mark focus

You can carefully use 35mm film negatives, two or three strips strips thick to be on the safe side.

re film strips 08.Feb.2005 10:47

clamydia

"...Experienced amateur and professional astronomers may also use one or two layers of completely exposed and fully developed black-and-white film, provided the film contains a silver emulsion. Since all developed color films lack silver, they are always unsafe for use in solar viewing..."
click the link

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