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Pentagon plane "mystery parts" not parts of a 757 jet engine and never have been. Oops!

The below post is #5 in Schwartz's series of "Pop goes the Bush mythology bubble"

Karl W. B. Schwarz lives in Little Rock, AR and is the author of "One-Way Ticket to Crawford, Texas, a Conservative Republican Speaks Out." He is the President and Chief Executive Officer of Patmos Nanotechnologies, LLC and I-nets Security Systems, a designer of intelligence and communications UAV systems.

"After the Pentagon attack, the video cameras and tapes at a nearby CITGO, the Sheraton Hotel along I-395 and Virginia DOT cameras were all confiscated by the FBI and they have yet to disclose any of the contents that were recorded by those cameras. Those cameras would have recorded what came in to hit the Pentagon and if viewed by the public, all the world would know that it was not a Boeing 757, American Airlines Flight 77, as we were told. All the world would know that Bush's assertion is in fact a huge lie. They cannot disclose those tapes without indicting themselves that it was the U.S. government and select "private sector outsourcing" that did the alleged terrorist attacks of 9-11. In short, our government would have to admit that it is al Qaeda and that this GWOT (Global War on Terror) is fabrication made up to provide excuses for a despicable U.S. energy and war policy."

The information in this article has been hand-delivered to New York Attorney General Eliot Spitzer.
U.S. govt internet block on researching this non-757 engine part: was @ Pentagon
U.S. govt internet block on researching this non-757 engine part: was @ Pentagon
"Keep acting calm: internet block is placed on the real Pentagon plane pieces."
& wheel not from 757 either: overly small, though U.S. claims 757 at Pentagon!
& wheel not from 757 either: overly small, though U.S. claims 757 at Pentagon!
Pop goes the Bush mythology bubble
Part 5: Exploding the myth of the Bushes as an all-American family

By Karl W. B. Schwarz
Online Journal Contributing Writer

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Karl W. B. Schwarz lives in Little Rock, AR and is the author of "One-Way Ticket to Crawford, Texas, a Conservative Republican Speaks Out." He is the President and Chief Executive Officer of Patmos Nanotechnologies, LLC and I-nets Security Systems, a designer of intelligence and communications UAV systems. You can email him here.  kw.schwarz@worldnet.att.net


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There is a big difference in an "insurgent enemy" and someone shooting at us because the Bush Family and their friends are thieves.

If this were the 1800s, the Bush Family would be lynched and strung up in "hang 'em high" fashion for "rustling" what belongs to others.

Please sign the Justicefor9-11.org petition if you too demand the truth and justice regarding September 11, 2001. There is much truth to be found and we have a national capital that is filled with people that have an aversion to the truth. It is time that we as American citizens get to the bottom of what they fear so much and why they fear the truth. Also, sign the Sibel Edmonds petition, so that we can all know what names surfaced in what she translated at the FBI.

It is time for all Americans to wake up. Both of those petitions should have millions of signatures but Americans are asleep at the switch, wheel, TV, whatever. It is time for the truth to be on the table for all to see.

You can trust that you will not like the truth when you finally see them for what they are.

I do not buy their mythology because they are flat out lying to all of us. You can suffer that in silence or do something about it.

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February 2, 2005—The Bushes are many things, but an All-American family they are not. There is something fundamentally wrong with these people and it goes past elitism and just basic snobbery. They might have "Oil on the Brain" to the point they are not even very human any more and we already know they are not humane at all.

They like to market "points of light" while they are lying to us and out snuffing out points of light all over the globe, especially those that could expose the sleaze that the family has come to represent.

Now that Bush cannot find any WMD he likes to point to the "mass graves" without elaborating that about three of every five of those 500,000 dead Iraqis got into those mass graves when George H.W. Bush urged the Shiites and Kurds to rise up in 1991-1992 against Saddam and Bush 41 stood idly by while 300,000 or so of the 500,000 "excuse graves" were being filled, and now George W. points to them as a good reason for the invasion of Iraq.

Back during the Reagan Administration, Neocons Cheney, Rumsfeld, Bush, George Shultz, Bechtel and others dreamed up a scheme to take over the Iraqi oil and install the Aqaba Pipeline. That matter lay dormant until April 11, 2003, when New York Times columnist Bob Herbert contacted Jock Covey, director of external communications (a euphemism and high-sounding title for "spin doctor") at Bechtel. A recent piece written by me addressed that Aqaba Pipeline and the fax Covey sent to Shultz to spin the response to Bob Herbert and the article he was writing and that appeared in print on April 14, 2003.

Mr. Covey's name comes up again in the next Part VI article, as does 9-11 Commission member John F. Lehman—-so please pay attention.

We have been told by the Bush administration that American Airline Flight 77 was flown into the Pentagon by a "crack pilot" who was a marginal car driver.

Hmm, I did not buy that story for even a second.

That the Pentagon fire was so hot it vaporized most of a 60-ton airplane including cobalt jet engine parts that would not evaporate in the temperatures of a normal building fire, but they got enough human DNA to prove who was on the flight.

Hmm, if it were hot enough to melt a plane including a cobalt heat resistant jet engine, human DNA recovery would have been impossible so I don't buy that fable either.

So, how do we prove that the "Official Bush Story" is actually the "Official Bush Lie?"

That has not been easy and we have had many working on this night and day for three years to get to the bottom of the matter.

After the Pentagon attack, the video cameras and tapes at a nearby CITGO, the Sheraton Hotel along I-395 and Virginia DOT cameras were all confiscated by the FBI and they have yet to disclose any of the contents that were recorded by those cameras. Those cameras would have recorded what came in to hit the Pentagon and if viewed by the public, all the world would know that it was not a Boeing 757, American Airlines Flight 77, as we were told. All the world would know that Bush's assertion is in fact a huge lie.

They cannot disclose those tapes without indicting themselves that it was the U.S. government and select "private sector outsourcing" that did the alleged terrorist attacks of 9-11. In short, our government would have to admit that it is al Qaeda and that this GWOT (Global War on Terror) is fabrication made up to provide excuses for a despicable U.S. energy and war policy.

The post-attack cleanup at the Pentagon shed some light on the fact that it was not a 757, but exactly what the part recovered was has not been easy to find or locate.

It is not a "turbofan" component, it is in fact a "turbojet" component from an US Air Force/Navy vintage type of jet engine technology that was used on just a limited number of fighters, bombers and reconnaissance planes.

There was one credible witness found that saw "a two-engine jet airplane, the engines were under the wings." That is a visual description of a 737, 757, or 767, but it is also a description of an A-3 Skywarrior.

It was very difficult to find the exact FAA certified company that is equipped, tooled or certified to work on the jet engines that were used in the A-3 Skywarrior. However, since the USAF and Raytheon still have some of the A-3s in flying order, we knew that there had to be a plant somewhere that was doing the repairs on what was otherwise a "decommissioned aircraft" such as the A-3.

By their own admission and website advertising propaganda, Praxair Surface Technologies is the only company FAA certified to work and rehabilitate worn out or corroded components of the Pratt & Whitney JT8D turbojet engine in question

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"Your reliable source for Turbine Engine Fan Blade repairs is now providing total overhaul capability of JT8D Fan Hub Assembly repairs. Praxair is the only approved source to overhaul both blades and hub assemblies."

For those of you that do not pay attention to such things, 9-11 Commission member Jamie Gorelick sits on the board of directors of United Technologies and Pratt & Whitney is now owned by United Technologies. Former Bush EPA secretary Christine Todd Whitman also sits on the United Technologies board, and that is a company that is raking in big bucks due to Bush War Policy.

The front fan hub and compressor assembly of the Allison J33, J71 (now owned by Rolls Royce), and the Pratt & Whitney J57 and Pratt & Whitney JT8D as shown above are all fairly similar but they also have something else in common. There was just one conflict of interest on top of another on that 9-11 Omission Commission.

The bent out of shape piece shown on the FEMA photos is the front shaft bearing housing. What you are seeing above is a "balance test assembly," since jet engines do spin fast and have to be very accurately balanced. Jet engines do in fact have a "center shaft" and it must be balanced and it must have bearing seals front and back. The FEMA photo shows such a front seal and a rotor hub missing its fan blades. The key is the cleats on the outer perimeter that the fan blades attach to and these particular blades are easy to knock off in a collision such as that at the Pentagon.

The roll of masking tape in the background will give you an idea of scale, and then compare to the A-3 photos and the much larger fan needed for the 757 type of high bypass jet engine. In short, the Pentagon part is not from a 757, period.

Some of the team kept digging and they finally found what might be the actual type of part that was at the Pentagon. The part that is visible in the left of this photo could well be the exact part, and I can assure all that what you are looking at is not the front fan of a 757 jet engine. That is a 737 type of "turbojet" power plant and might well be in the "modified A-3 Skywarriors." I bet that jet mechanic from Evergreen Air (a known CIA affiliated company) can tell us where that fan blade comes from and do so in front of a Spitzer or Morganthau grand jury.

There is the "mystery part" and no, it is not part of a 757 jet engine and never has been. Oops!

They are all jet engine components (past and present) on the A-3 Skywarrior twin-turbojet airplane and on older versions of the 737. The USAF only has a few of the A-3s left in operation and what was formerly Hughes Aircraft, now Raytheon, has a fleet of them at Van Nuys, Calif. This type of turbojet engine has never been used on a Boeing 757, so the debate on "type of plane" can end there. This is a jet engine component with fan, not an auxiliary power unit (APU) as some have speculated or dropped into the conversation as disinformation.

What has been interesting is the level of "content blocking" that there is on the Internet where specific information regarding certain "jet engine components" such as those shown at the Pentagon have definitely been blocked. Our team had to take steps to go around the content blocks to get at the photos you are seeing regarding these rotor hub components.

That part has a specific UPN (Universal Part Number) and it cannot be found by looking for that UPN. Other measures were needed to find what you are seeing in these photos to circumvent what is apparently intentional content blocking. Someone has gone to considerable lengths to make sure that the actual components that were found at the Pentagon could not be found and it took my team over two years to hammer through such blocks to find three of these photos (Praxair and Evergreen) to verify the component.

Yes, Hughes aircraft had a fleet of them and was bought out by Raytheon. Hmm, that company is doing well for two reasons that I know of due to Bush war policy and even the move from Mode 4 to Mode 5 technology since the PRC got its hands on our top secret Mode 4 technology with that little Hainan Island incident and our Navy EP-3 that was forced down in April of 2001. As of Sept. 11, 2001, most air traffic controllers and National Air Guard units were not upgraded after the PRC got their hands on some of our most sensitive military technology.

Just stop and consider, if we can attack other nations with impunity and at will, we can attack ourselves too and cloak it from commercial operations just like we do in other nations.

The above photo is a launch of an AIM-54 Phoenix Missile, air-to-air missile. Making this launch an air-to-surface missile would not be a great feat and Hughes/Raytheon manufactures several such missiles that would blow a 16-foot diameter hole in the Pentagon with ease.

Type: AGM-65B (Air Force), AGM-65D (Air Force), AGM-65E (Marines), AGM-65F (Navy), AGM-65G (Air Force).

Contractors: Hughes Aircraft Co., Raytheon Co.
Propulsion: Thiokol TX-481 solid-propellant rocket motor (hint-burns white and leaves a white smoke trail at all altitudes and jet engines do not do that)
Service: Air Force, Marines, Navy
First Flight: 1984
IOC: 1994

This type of air-to-ground missile (AGM) is what is used to hit buildings and blow big holes in them, like the 16-foot diameter hole in the Pentagon. Note that 737s and 757 do not come equipped with such fire control systems or the mounting pods for the missiles, however, the A-3 Skywarrior is built to support the firing of such systems. The photo below of a modified A-3 landing clearly shows the missile-launching platform under the wing.

As you can tell from the above photo the A-3 Skywarrior is already configured for the AIM and AGM missiles and another hint is the change from the older nose design to the F16 nose design which includes "fire control systems" and a few other high tech devices.

Also note that jet engine fuel burning does not leave a white trail at sea level, only at higher and much colder altitudes. However, AGM type missiles burn solid rocket fuel and it leaves a white trail at all altitudes.

If you have seen the Pentagon photos that have been released regarding the jet engine part inside the Pentagon, the following is also a photo that is not part of a 757 engine that we have found, even in physically inspecting one inside a jet engine maintenance shop.

This following part is also not a 757 component; it is a component from the types of "dual chamber" turbojets represented by the Allison J33, J71, Pratt & Whitney J57 and JT8D.

They are called in the jet industry a "diffuser case" and the UPN content numbers on this particular item have been blocked and otherwise scrubbed on the Internet.

However, the following is the diffuser case design for the 757 jet engines and it is quite different from that shown at the Pentagon. That is due to the difference between "dual-chamber turbojet" versus the newer "high bypass jet fan" designs found on the 757 and 767 jet airplanes.

Note the triangular bezels around the openings and then note that the Pentagon diffuser case has no such openings or reinforcing points. The diffuser is built into a much larger component and not a separate component in the newer 757 type jet engines. This is a very large component within the 757 type of jet engine and there are two of them on every 757. Note, not a single one of these was found at the Pentagon and this is not a component that would have melted or evaporated in any manner at all.


Another component was found at the Pentagon in the form of a wheel hub. It did not take much to confirm that the particular wheel shown below is the type made by B.F. Goodrich in their aerospace division. They also made the wheels for the 757 but a simple proportional check of width versus diameter will easily show that the below photo is not of a wheel hub from a 757, which has a much larger radius than width. This radius being about the same as the width of the wheel hub is also another clue that the 757 story is a Bush Lie.

In fact, if one looks very closely at the diameter versus width of the tire that was found at the Pentagon, this is the type of tire used for carrier based and general rear wheels of smaller military planes, not commercial airliners. This is the type of wheel hub one would expect to find as one of the two rear wheels on an A-3 refitted with current equipment rather than equipment that is no longer being manufactured.

The information in this article has been hand-delivered to New York Attorney General Eliot Spitzer.

This entire "American soldiers blood for oil" formula the Bush Family has stuck in their heads is about the lowest thing I have ever seen. Most Americans notice that they care not a bit, a common characteristic for nitwits, about the death and maiming of our soldiers or how many bogus enemies they are killing in the process. All they think about is oil and money, influence pimping and looking good for the cameras, while behind the scenes is a draconian and Machiavellian attitude towards all Americans that do not fit the Bush Family standards of wealth and elitism.

Ever wonder why this family seems to think sending people to die is just "another day at the office?" I wondered about that too and as I assembled One-Way Ticket to Crawford, Texas the answer became plenty clear to see. If one is not a wealthy snob like them, it just doesn't matter if a person comes home dead, or alive, or maimed just as long as the big bucks keep flowing to the Bush Family and the Bush Cabal members (i.e. their wealthy elite friends).

Didn't you get the memo? This is all about the greater glory of the Bush Family and Big Oil and Big Military. They are better than other Americans. Don't believe me; just ask them. They and their friends think they can attack this nation and walk off scot-free and richer due to all of the chaos and plunder they created for Big Oil, Big Defense and Homeland Security expenditures that are mostly for their friends, not for you or me.

They do not see anything wrong at all with being so arrogant or despicable that they use military force when they and their commercially abusive "Financial Terrorist" friends cannot get certain foreign nations to do business with them. It does not seem to occur to them that "good US policy" might go a long way towards other nations wanting to do business with the U.S. and the "friends" they send over there to do such deals.

There is a big difference in an "insurgent enemy" and someone shooting at us because the Bush Family and their friends are thieves. If this were the 1800s, the Bush Family would be lynched and strung up in "hang 'em high" fashion for "rustling" what belongs to others.

Please sign the Justicefor9-11.org petition if you too demand the truth and justice regarding September 11, 2001. There is much truth to be found and we have a national capital that is filled with people that have an aversion to the truth. It is time that we as American citizens get to the bottom of what they fear so much and why they fear the truth. Also, sign the Sibel Edmonds petition, so that we can all know what names surfaced in what she translated at the FBI.

It is time for all Americans to wake up. Both of those petitions should have millions of signatures but Americans are asleep at the switch, wheel, TV, whatever.

It is time for the truth to be on the table for all to see. You can trust that you will not like the truth when you finally see them for what they are.

I do not buy their mythology because they are flat out lying to all of us. You can suffer that in silence or do something about it.

 http://www.onlinejournal.com/Special_Reports/020205Schwarz/020205schwarz.html


related post:

Title: INTERVIEW: 9-11 Pentagon Plane Identified? A3 SkyWarrior with missles (or another mil. plane...? with Allison engine?)
Author: grouper
Date: 2005.01.01 11:19
Description: The interesting bit--well it's all interesting--is that there is a U.S. government based INTERNET SEARCH ENGINE CONTENT BLOCK against internet searches for this particular part found at the Pentagon crash site. Some of the information that follows thus comes from 9-11 researchers working internationally with U.S. researchers on this issue, as only foreigners had the capacity (due to the internet block) to search for the part on US webpages. Interesting note about the totalitarian Orwellian police state already in place on internet access in the U.S., eh? Bush's U.S. is China!
 http://portland.indymedia.org/en/2005/01/307126.shtml

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three discrepancies mentioned in this article 03.Feb.2005 10:20

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Three discrepancies are mentioned in this article. There are more discrepancies of course mentioned in other researcher's articles about the Pentagon/plane hit, though this is just summarizing his part based research.

Discepancies

#1: finding the number/name of the engine part found at the Pentagon was hampered by a domestic internet block--this engine part is not part of a 757.

#2 the wheel found not from 757

#3 the diffuser case found at the Pentagon has a similar internet block, it as well has nothing to do with a 757.
UPN content #'s of diffuser case plane part @ Pentagon blocked/scrubbed as well!
UPN content #'s of diffuser case plane part @ Pentagon blocked/scrubbed as well!
diffuser case for 757 jet engines, different than the Pentagon plane part found
diffuser case for 757 jet engines, different than the Pentagon plane part found

I for one know the official story 03.Feb.2005 13:20

is a damnable lie

Personal contact with someone directly tied to DIA Pentagon hotshots admitted in December 2001, that the brass knew and participated in 9-11. The missile that hit the Pentagon was emphatically not a pasenger airline as the official lie has stated.

OK - it's a missle not a plane. 03.Feb.2005 14:37

Just Wondering

Then where is the missing plane? And the people?

And what about their personal effects? 03.Feb.2005 16:05

indymedia volunteer

What about the friends and relatives of those who were on the missing plane who went back by themselves to the site of the crash and found personal effects of the victims (in one case, for example, a ring)? Did the conspirators stuff the missile full of such personal effects just to make sure, on the off chance that someone stumbled on these things, that it would boost their cover story? The theory that a passenger plane never struck the Pentagon just seems completely cockamamie to me in light of this. And the strident and intemperate irrationality and dogmatism of those who insist on this theory doesn't help either (how long will it be before I get accused of working for the government? if I'm working for the government, I sure wish they'd pay me more!)


Look who's in on the conspiracy 03.Feb.2005 16:22

ne1

I personally have no axe to grind. I don't really give a shit what hit the pentagon. But what I find really obnoxious is the ridiculous, cockamamie claims that "I know it was a missile that hit the pentagon: it's obvious!" I have news for you, it's not obvious. If it were so obvious, why would John Judge and Penny Schoner, both "9/11 Truth" activists who believe that there really is a government coverup of important information about 9/11, also find the "no plane hit the Pentagon" theory incredible? Why would they actively wish to dissuade people from propagating this theory? Are they also in on the whole thing? Are these people traitors planted in the midst of "the movement"?

Personally, I don't know either way about the pentagon. I haven't evaluated every crazy and not-so-crazy theory in the universe. I don't have the time for it and it doesn't interest me enough. But if you're going to tell me your favorite theory is obvious, even when there are seemingly perfectly reasonable people with no obvious bias who have studied it and rejected, and you're going to tell me that anyone who doesn't believe you is stupid or gullible or part of some dark conspiracy, then I'm going to tell you that you have a screw loose. You are yourself either incredibly deranged or naive.

Way Too Much Over-The-Top Speculation 03.Feb.2005 17:06

Karen

From someone who has given the 911 Conspiracy a fair amount of thought, I have to agree with IndyMedia Volunteer and NE1. And, whereas Flight 77 may not have, in fact, hit the Pentagon - it may have been shot down over the ocean - something big and twin-engined did. There were several witnesses who saw a big plane crash into the building, and they can't All be "in on it."

Apropos of "Out There" theories, just have a look at the later-posted article, "911 and the Society of the Spectacle." This author claims that neither AAFlight 93 nor UAFlight 175 hit the WTC's North and South Towers, respectively. To attempt to argue against this conclusion is pointless since 1) you will never change these adherents' minds, 2) you will be accused of being a disinformant, and 3) the "book is not worth the candle."

What the 911 Truth Movement needs now is a crack in the conspiracy, where someinsider comes forward with EVIDENCE of what actually took place. Absent this now-unlikely possibility, we will continue to be subjected to any number of not-too-convincing permutations of the few facts that we do have from which these researchers" will draw the most "startling" conclusions.

no one is saying "no plane," only different plane 03.Feb.2005 17:13

got it?

"If it were so obvious, why would John Judge and Penny Schoner, both "9/11 Truth" activists who believe that there really is a government coverup of important information about 9/11, also find the "no plane hit the Pentagon" theory incredible?"


1. Maybe they got an emotional block when the shit really hits the fan? Maybe they don't have all the evidence that this guy does?

2. Besides, no one is here claiming "no plane" only "different plane" at Pentagon. Got it? Be specific about your words and it leads to less confusion. There's no evidence of a 757. That's all.

3. There is evidence of a different plane. A smaller plane, and a missle hit and cordie explosions and C-130s guiding/watching it come into crashing on the pre-arranged side, on a perfect dropping spiral course at 500 mph that no one could ever pilot down, etc.

4. There is evidence of attempts to block research on this actual plane.

5. Based on other research, It's a remote control plane, with missile capacity that was sacrificed, and connected with internal cordite explosives within the Pentagon as well to takeout key personnel under the cover of "plane hit." Meanwhile, the C-130 guided it in or was there as backup control, or for relaying information to NORAD about what the hell is going on in their coup against the USA.

6. Cold blooded killers in power in the USA, killers of their own personnel and civilians! 30 years on: Same positions of power that wrote up Project Northwoods--which was AUTHORIZED by uninamous consent by the US military--all the joint chiefs agreed to slaughter US civilians for private political policy goals!!--9-11 is exactly the same thing.

9-11 is Project Northwoods Revisited.

Karen, all talk no think, American public school grad by chance? 03.Feb.2005 17:23

got it?

"not-too-convincing permutations of the few facts...."

Not too convincing?!


1. There is evidence of non-757 plane parts at the Pentagon,

2. without any evidence of 60 tons of Boeing plane at all.

3. and a disinfo budget for the US that runs (publicly) at around 40 BILLION dollars.

4. There is no one witness that you so flippantly say "saw a large Boeing 757" that can be relied on as I think Holmgren has analyzed. You don't have a clue or care to cite one?

5. Plus, all the witnesses that I could find myself say nothing about large noisy 757s that are deafening like shrieking banshees at that close range, or how they could get into that little hole. What they do talk about is a tiny "private plane sized" aircraft that goes "pfff" into the side of the Pentagon.

6. In the USA, the TV networks are the oil companies and militiary contractors.

7. The FBI knew enough to take away WITHIN SEVERAL MINUTES (!) the semi-public accessible camera footage of the Pentagon wall. They then liked they were without any film on the issue. They already knew where the cameras were and they made sure they snatched the film before the cover was blown. I think Schwartz says this clearly above?

8. You can put your favorite conclusion to that here though I always keep in mind #3.

He's "Got It?" 03.Feb.2005 17:36

Karen

QED

the $66,000 question: fit the big Boeing in the small hole for me 03.Feb.2005 17:40

as seen on TV

$66,000 for the first person to fit a Boeing 757 in this hole. Trolls are paid to talk, not to put up.

Takers?

Or would you rather have a round of golf on that lovely lawn seconds after the unknown smaller plane totally disintegrated, leaving a bright sunny day.
all hat, no cattle:
all hat, no cattle:
all lawn, no Boeing, something else hit, leaving nothing except confetti
all lawn, no Boeing, something else hit, leaving nothing except confetti
& high velocity NON-JET FUEL explosion takes out plane first, missile goes in
& high velocity NON-JET FUEL explosion takes out plane first, missile goes in

witnesses to shrill tiny military jet and/or missle NOT 757 03.Feb.2005 17:50

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newswire article commentary united states 25.Sep.2004 15:36
9.11 investigation
Witness reports of bogus Fl 77

author: Puzzled

You want eye-witness reports of the very odd nature of the alleged Flight 77 Boeing 757?

Here they are!

[From chapter two of "The New Pearl Harbor" by David Ray Griffin
(See it yourself at  http://vancouver.indymedia.org/print.php...) Pass that address ASAP on to others who won't/can't buy the book.]

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Although later that day the aircraft that struck the Pentagon was said to be Flight 77, which was a Boeing 757, this equation was evidently not immediately obvious.

Danielle O'Brien, one of the air traffic controllers at Dulles who reported seeing the aircraft at 9:25, said: "The speed, the maneuverability, the way that he turned, we all thought in the radar room, all of us experienced air traffic controllers, that that was a military plane."

Another witness, seeing the plane from a 14th floor apartment in Pentagon City, said that it "seemed to be able to hold eight or twelve persons" and "made a shrill noise like a fighter plane."

Lon Rains, editor at Space News, said: "I was convinced it was a missile. It came in so fast it sounded nothing like an airplane."

Still another witness, who saw it from his automobile, was reported as saying that it "was like a cruise missile with wings."

The official account, however, would be that it was a much bigger aircraft, a Boeing 757—indeed, Flight 77 itself.

Most important is the evidence provided by photographs that were taken immediately after the crash. One crucial photo was taken by Tom Horan of the Associated Press just after the firetrucks had arrived but before the firemen had been deployed. (This photo is reproduced in Meyssans Pentagate and on the cover of his 9/11: The Big Lie and is also available on the Internet:  http://www.asile.org/citoyens/numero13/pentagone/erreurs_en.htm)

When this photograph was taken, the west wing's facade had not collapsed. Another photo taken at this time shows that the hole in the facade was between 15 and 18 feet in diameter, contradicting a newspaper report that it was "five stories high and 200 feet wide." This photo also shows no damage above the hole or on either side of it. And neither photo shows any sign of an airplane—no fuselage, no tail, no wings, no engines—or any evidence that the lawn had been scraped. Whatever struck the Pentagon made a clean hit from the air and went completely inside.

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 http://portland.indymedia.org/en/2004/09/298212.shtml


and see:

Title: NAIL IT TO THE DOOR of the White House: 76 9-11 Theses That Have Evidence for Complicity
Author: excerptsfrombook
Date: 2004.07.05 07:55
Description:

GRIFFIN'S LISTS (W/MORE ADDED ON ANTHRAX AND MOSSAD THAT HE LEAVES OUT):

List 1: The evidence for Official Complicity: A Summary (37 points)

List 2: The Problems for a Coincidence Theory (39 points)

Griffin writes: "Even more important, critics of the official account point out, rejection of the conspiracy theory exacts a high price. . .It would be hard to deny that the critics of the official account have discerned a pattern. They have shown that many otherwise puzzling events—-before, during, and after 9-11—-can be explained by the theory that high-level officials in the US government conspired to allow the attacks to occur and then to cover up this fact. Given that pattern, the price for rejecting this conspiracy theory is to accept a coincidence theory.

And, critics of the official account can point out, the number of coincidences that would need to be accepted is enormous. A complete list would include the following coincidences:..." [so, you can hit conspiracy deniers with both a right (complicity list) and left (helpfully pointing out all the silly things they accept when they say 'coicidence'] --- Plus some handy pictures, in one place at this weblink, to pass around.

 http://portland.indymedia.org/en/2004/07/292049.shtml

famous animation, & something RADIOACTIVE used: DU bunkerbust shell? 03.Feb.2005 18:05

got it?

1. The famous flash animation:

Title: NO EVIDENCE FOUND OF 757 AT PENTAGON
Author: Messenger
Date: 2004.11.21 11:22
Description: This was produced by North East Illinois University and it is very compelling evidence that a 757 did not strike the Pentagon on 9/11/01.

 http://portland.indymedia.org/en/2004/11/304152.shtml

Excellent short informative pics, insights. 21.Nov.2004 23:56
Ed Ward, MD link

Thanks Messenger.

My Best to You and Yours,

Ed

Very slick and reasonable 22.Nov.2004 01:55
X File link

Usually when something this well produced appears someone lables it as being the work of a 'troll'. I am now one answer away from making the HUGE leap of faith that the source of explosion was other than AA flight 77.

Question: If the not crashing into the Pentagon, where did AA flight 77 land, and who murdered the the crew and passengers?

add the C-130 22.Nov.2004 02:27
more link

add the C-130 to the story and it gets even more accurate:
 http://portland.indymedia.org/en/2004/07/291925.shtml

Well Poisoning Meme 22.Nov.2004 05:15
Reader link

This "no commercial jet hit the Pentagon" meme is a "well poisoning" meme intended to discredit those with theories doubting the official account of 9/11 by painting them all as paranoid. The post referring to "trolls" confirms this. The strategy is to create the illusion that the position is reasonable and that others are adopting it. This creates a sociological force that disarms thoughtful critics. You can be sure that this coordinated program to push the "no commercial jet hit the Pentagon" will later by discredited by evidence that such a plane did, indeed, hit the Pentagon. The dimissal of the meme will then be generalized to make the false claim that all alternative theories against the official position are paranoid.

Love, anti-COINTELPRO-er.

US scientists and technicians where are you? 22.Nov.2004 08:24
can it be? link

How can it be that the world's most advanced country in the realm of science and technology has something like this happen without its scientific community -supposedly dedicated patriots- shouting out loud their questions and concerns to the world? Are they all muzzled? Are they all scared?
Are they all abandoning democratic principles for nazism?

This is UNBELIEVABLE! SHAME on them! Their children will be ashamed of them one day when the truth comes out. And truth always comes out!


flash animation link here:
 http://portland.indymedia.org/en/2004/11/304152.shtml



2. and why they wanted to bury the whole site: the lawn is now radioactive in some way.

Title: RADIATION shows 9-11 Penta. hit not 757: something with DU?; AMEC did Penta&WTC7 clean up
Author: repost
Date: 2004.10.25 02:05
Description: more damning fuel for the funeral pyre of the 9-11 'official story' that is completely dead by now. "Around the Pentagon there were reports of high radiation levels after 9-11. American Free Press has documentation that radiation levels in Alexandria and Leesburg, Va., were much higher than usual on 9-11 and persisted for at least one week afterward. In Alexandria, seven miles south of the burning Pentagon, a doctor with years of experience working with radiation issues found elevated radiation levels on 9-11 of 35 to 52 counts per minute (cpm) using a "Radalert 50" Geiger counter. One week after 9-11, in Leesburg, 33 miles northwest of the Pentagon, soil readings taken in a residential neighborhood showed even higher readings of 75 to 83 cpm. "That's pretty high," Cindy Folkers of the Washing ton-based Nuclear Information and Resource Service (NIRS) told AFP. Folkers said 7 to 12 cpm is normal background radiation inside the NIRS building, and that outdoor readings of between 12 to 20 cpm are normal in Chevy Chase, Md., outside Washington. The Radalert 50, Folkers said, is primarily a gamma ray detector and "detects only 7 percent of the beta radiation and even less of the [very short lived] alpha." This suggests that actual radiation levels may have been significantly higher than those detected by the doctor's Geiger counter. "The question is, why?" Folkers said. If the radiation came from the explosion and fire at the Pentagon, it most likely did not come from a Boeing 757, which is the type of aircraft that the US claims, allegedy, hit the building. --- However, the US and the airlines failed to get their alibi stories straight on this: "Boeing has never used DU on either the 757 or the 767, and we no longer use it on the 747," Leslie M. Nichols, product spokesperson for Boeing's 767, told AFP.

 http://portland.indymedia.org/en/2004/10/300788.shtml
$66,000 dollars, you sir! Ma'am! Fly a Boeing into a tiny hole! Win Big! Wager?
$66,000 dollars, you sir! Ma'am! Fly a Boeing into a tiny hole! Win Big! Wager?
Don't cheat! Notice you have to only go through the first floor level or so...
Don't cheat! Notice you have to only go through the first floor level or so...

A Senator Like Paul Wellstone... 03.Feb.2005 19:23

Anarchy-nonymous

...Would have had the guts to force and investigation. Therefore, he had to be eliminated before 9-11.

. 04.Feb.2005 03:33

eyes closed tight

I'd like to see the hotel, highway, and gas station video. It was a 757 right? So just show us, so we can go away.

This one isn't bad though.

contact Spitzer 04.Feb.2005 08:40

me

"The information in this article has been hand-delivered to New York Attorney General Eliot Spitzer and know about Schwatz giving him this information."


Let him know we are thinking about him:
 http://www.oag.state.ny.us/contact.html

Anybody who believes the Bush Admin wasn't complicit in 9-11 by now is a moron 04.Feb.2005 08:54

King Diamond

We have the official story right? A 757 hit the Pentagon. Video footage would have shown it hit the Pentagon. Refuse would exist. What possible national security interest could be served by not showing the horrible image of the plane striking the Pentagon? If anything, it's just another emotional war cry for the Bush Neocon Illuminati to support their crusade.

Let us not forget the WTC building collapse. There was no way those fires could have created enough heat to cause the building to collapse like that. Physics is physics.

Griffin's book link 05.Feb.2005 13:55

Puzzled

The last part of the URL to the online version of David Ray Griffin's book, "The New Pearl Harbor", was cut in the repost above.

The full link is:
 http://vancouver.indymedia.org/news/2004/06/141355.php

Again, please check it out yourself and pass it on to others who can't/won't buy the book!
Engine turbofan found at crash site
Engine turbofan found at crash site
Actual size of 757 engine
Actual size of 757 engine

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